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1. 03:05 AM - Re: Re: EA 81 Turbo Thermostat (Lynn Matteson)
2. 04:26 AM - Re: Need Model IV interior (Larry Huntley)
3. 04:32 AM - Re: Need Model IV interior (fox5flyer)
4. 05:46 AM - Re: Engine Ground strap (Perkins, Mike)
5. 06:00 AM - Re: Need Model IV interior (Norm Beauchamp)
6. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: EA 81 Turbo Thermostat (Bob Brennan)
7. 08:19 AM - Re: EA 81 Turbo Thermostat (earnestj0)
8. 08:43 AM - Re: Fuel flow indicator (Catz631@aol.com)
9. 12:54 PM - Re: Fuel flow indicator (akflyer)
10. 01:21 PM - Re: Fuel flow indicator (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
11. 01:36 PM - Re: Rotax powered Cessna (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
12. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Rotax powered Cessna (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
13. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: Rotax powered Cessna (Clint Bazzill)
14. 02:47 PM - Re: Fuel flow indicator (paul wilson)
15. 03:00 PM - Re: Rotax powered Cessna (paul wilson)
16. 03:44 PM - Re: Re: Rotax powered Cessna (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
17. 03:46 PM - Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox (Chuck Popenoe)
18. 04:56 PM - JC Penny Seats (Norm Beauchamp)
19. 08:55 PM - Re: Cold weather starting (Larry Boone)
20. 09:54 PM - Re: Cold weather starting (akflyer)
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| Subject: | Re: EA 81 Turbo Thermostat |
Maybe because they were there first? How many of the Cessnas out
there are Rotax-powered?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire
ignition system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Jan 11, 2009, at 9:38 PM, Clint Bazzill wrote:
> Gee, I guess that its my turn now. Not too many air cooled cars
> left on road, wonder why. If I had known about all of these
> problems with liquid cooled engines, wouldn't have sold my bug.
> Takes a long time to read these comments about engines. If you
> like it or not, Rotax is engine of choice for darn good reasons. I
> am sure the 912ULS will out perform the Jab 3300 with not as much
> fuel burn.
>
> Clint with a lot of hours in those dreaded liquid cooled engines.
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| Subject: | Re: Need Model IV interior |
Sorrt to hear that. He is a great guy and was a wealth of good information..
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Need Model IV interior
>
> Yes, Fat Alberta is gone. Don might lurk, but I don't know for sure. It
> is our loss. He is busy managing the estate.
>
> Lowell
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Huntley" <asq@roadrunner.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Need Model IV interior
>
>
>>
>> Lowell,
>> You said "former". Is Don no longer on the list? Did he sell "Fat
>> Alberta"? I was hoping he would change his mind. Larry Huntley
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Need Model IV interior
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Paul,
>>>
>>> This is on list because others might benefit. This was some time ago
>>> but
>>> one of our list members - since on to other endeavors - used chair
>>> covers
>>> he
>>> found at Walmart? Actually I don't recall exactly where he got them,
>>> but
>>> after his report, several others got them there and the talk was that
>>> they
>>> fit exactly. I suspect this info can be found in the archives. The
>>> former
>>> lister is Don Smythe.
>>>
>>> Lowell
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Paul Morel" <pmorel@bellsouth.net>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:35 PM
>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Need Model IV interior
>>>
>>>
>>> It's me again asking if someone in Kitfox land has an old interior that
>>> will
>>> fit in a Model IV that I can buy. If I come up empty handed, I'll be
>>> calling John to order a new one. My wife wanted me to try the list
>>> first
>>> and get a used one cheaper and she obviously doesn't seem to care what
>>> color
>>> it is. I'm hoping someone out there might have changed out some seats
>>> at
>>> some time or another. Please email me off list at
>>> pmorel@bellsouth.net
>>>
>>> I want to thank Ron Smith for coming to my aid with a glairshield and
>>> Norm
>>> Vrooman with a seatpan. This truly is great fraternity of Kitfox
>>> enthusiasts that help each other get our planes in the air and help keep
>>> them there!
>>>
>>> Paul Morel
>>> 912 Model IV Speedster
>>> Locust Grove, GA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>> 5:57 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Need Model IV interior |
They were from JC Penny and decent quality for the price. I initially used
them, but later had custom covers made.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Need Model IV interior
>
> Paul,
>
> This is on list because others might benefit. This was some time ago but
> one of our list members - since on to other endeavors - used chair covers
> he found at Walmart? Actually I don't recall exactly where he got them,
> but after his report, several others got them there and the talk was that
> they fit exactly. I suspect this info can be found in the archives. The
> former lister is Don Smythe.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Morel" <pmorel@bellsouth.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:35 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Need Model IV interior
>
>
> It's me again asking if someone in Kitfox land has an old interior that
> will fit in a Model IV that I can buy. If I come up empty handed, I'll be
> calling John to order a new one. My wife wanted me to try the list first
> and get a used one cheaper and she obviously doesn't seem to care what
> color it is. I'm hoping someone out there might have changed out some
> seats at some time or another. Please email me off list at
> pmorel@bellsouth.net
>
> I want to thank Ron Smith for coming to my aid with a glairshield and
> Norm Vrooman with a seatpan. This truly is great fraternity of Kitfox
> enthusiasts that help each other get our planes in the air and help keep
> them there!
>
> Paul Morel
> 912 Model IV Speedster
> Locust Grove, GA
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Ground strap |
It's best to use an internal-tooth lock washer on airframe ground lugs.
By biting into the metal they provide a low-resistance corrosion-free
connection.
Mike Perkins
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| Subject: | Re: Need Model IV interior |
I have a set. Maroon, or magenta my Wife calls them. Decided not to
use them. Twenty bucks and postage if interested. Contact off list.
Norm
San Angelo Tx
Do not archive
C David Estapa wrote
I bought a set. They were J C Penney rocking chair pads. Still have
them. Using as pads in the RV-9A construction (lying in the tunnel
riviting).
David Estapa
Woodstock, GA
N97DE 912ULS
> Do not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EA 81 Turbo Thermostat |
And here I thought you'd object to being called a "coot" rather than "old".
Shows to go ya.
Give yourself a big pat on the back in the name of progress - I won't be
buying a Jabiru for my next upgrade! So there's that one person at least...
Maybe after the Matteson-mods are incorporated into production however I
might consider it.
Do not archive
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: 11 January 2009 4:37 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: EA 81 Turbo Thermostat
Who you callin' "old" and when did my tinkering NOT work? ...I'm
kidding, Bob..... : ) And speaking of saving "us from making the
same mistakes", if I've saved just one person from buying a Jabiru,
I'll consider that progress.....(and another engine saved for my own
purchase.) : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire
ignition system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Jan 11, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Bob Brennan wrote:
> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
>> I think probably it would have, or better yet kept my comment and
>> thoughts
> on this subject to myself.
>
> Hell no Lynn, from what I've read here you're a smart and tough old
> coot,
> and your tinkering, even when it doesn't work, saves us from making
> the same
> mistakes! ;-)
>
> And I quote here from someone else on the list I don't know well, but
> respect his opinion, Deke's sig says "The aim of an argument or
> discussion
> should not be victory, but progress."
>
> Amen to that
> bob
>
> do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: 11 January 2009 2:50 pm
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: EA 81 Turbo Thermostat
>
>
> What I was thinking, and didn't relate it all, was that every time I
> hear the Rotax guys, and I guess any of the water-cooled guys talking
> about that expensive waterless stuff, and having to relocate
> radiators, and where to place the thermostat, and dealing with all
> the hoses, etc., I just am thankful that air-cooled engines at least
> don't have to worry about leakage and all the other attendant
> problems that seem to come up so often.
>
> Yes, air-cooled engines need their own touches to make them perfect,
> but the proper coolant and possible loss thereof isn't one of them.
> Yes, I've had problems with *my* engine, but not all the Jabs have
> had the gear problem. Just like not all the water-cooled guys have
> problems, not all the air-cooled engines break a timing gear.
> Yes, the ignition system is a weak link, but I chose to replace mine
> rather than glue the rotors on, because I wanted something different,
> and better, and more modern. I could have changed caps and rotors
> every month for 10 years and not spend what I did for my new
> ignition, but I'm an experimenter and chose to spend the
> money...overkill? Yes. Necessary? No. Am I satisfied? Yes.
>
> If you didn't know I had those engine problems...or if I hadn't
> mentioned it...and simply said "glad I chose an air-cooled engine",
> would that have been better?I think probably it would have, or better
> yet kept my comment and thoughts on this subject to myself.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire
> ignition system;
> also building a new pair of snow skis
> do not archive
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
>> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Hey Lynn, Your comment blows my mind. Are you suggestion that
>> your catastrophic failure of that hat shaped gear and your
>> megabucks repair of that and your ignition mods to help mitigate a
>> weak design there as well somehow relates to deciding whether or
>> not to use evans coolant.
>>
>> Sorry if this comes along as a bit strong, and please correct me
>> if I misunderstood your meaning.
>>
>> Lowell
>> Do not archive
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: EA 81 Turbo Thermostat
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Not to start an engine war, but it is threads like this one that
>>> make me smile about my choice of engine, even with all the
>>> problems that I have had with mine.
>>>
>>> Lynn Matteson
>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>> flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire
>>> ignition system;
>>> also building a new pair of snow skis
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 10, 2009, at 8:39 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>>>
>>>> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>
>>>> Paul,
>>>>
>>>> This has sort of been my take on the Evans Coolant. I think we
>>>> sometimes forget that there are many airplanes experimantal and
>>>> certified that use a version of the Rotax 912. I know from
>>>> group flying experience that the Rans S-7 has a cooling problem
>>>> and often has to step climb to avoid going into temps I have
>>>> never seen on my Model IV. It is my belief that the Evans
>>>> coolant might be appropriate for that application as the temps
>>>> are much higher than the boiling point of water. For me, I was
>>>> never tempted to use it. It is sort of like putting a cast on a
>>>> perfectly good leg because my friend has one on his leg.
>>>>
>>>> Lowell Fitt
>>>> Cameron Park, CA
>>>> Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
>>>> Currently focusing on the Left Wing - doing the precover
>>>> checklist, Rudder trim system - my rib warp design, and Landing
>>>> Gear - done.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT"
>>>> <paul@eucleides.com>
>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: EA 81 Turbo Thermostat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <paul@eucleides.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, January 10, 2009 7:42 am, earnestj0 wrote:
>>>>>> <earnestj@frontiernet.net>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Rick, I would appreciate a photo and also information
>>>>>> on the "waterless" that
>>>>>> you are talking about.
>>>>>
>>>>> "In the 1980s inventor Jack Evans discovered the advantages of
>>>>> using a waterless
>>>>> coolant. His final formulation is a mixture of ethylene glycol
>>>>> and propylene glycol.
>>>>> This coolant has a high boiling point of 188 C (370 F) and is
>>>>> not corrosive, solving
>>>>> many of water's problems including freezing."
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Antifreeze>
>>>>>
>>>>> I got curious and did a little research on this. Rick talked
>>>>> about using NPG+ made by
>>>>> Evans Cooling. Here is their website.
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.evanscooling.com/main1.htm>
>>>>>
>>>>> I found nothing on their website that was other than sales/
>>>>> marketing/folklore
>>>>> presentation. There is no "white paper" or generally accepted
>>>>> format for research to
>>>>> corroborate their claims.
>>>>>
>>>>> Their product is called "NPG+" which is a corrosion inhibited
>>>>> propylene glycol
>>>>> ethylene glycol blend.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has a much higher temperature boiling point than an ideal
>>>>> mix of inhibited ethylene
>>>>> glycol and water. However it is substantially more viscous
>>>>> (especially at low
>>>>> temperatures), has a lower heat capacity and offers less freeze
>>>>> protection.
>>>>>
>>>>> They make a claim that major engine manufacturers and
>>>>> specifically Rotax require their
>>>>> fluid.
>>>>>
>>>>> I looked through all the Rotax service bulletins and found this:
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/pdf/dokus/d02398.pdf>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, from reading that, it sounds like it is a little less than
>>>>> mandatory. A higher
>>>>> pressure cap seems to be the emphasis and no where does it
>>>>> actually say that NPG or
>>>>> NPG+ is required.
>>>>>
>>>>> Evans summarizes the properties in a table at the bottom of
>>>>> this page:
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.evanscooling.com/html/tech1.htm>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have done quite a bit of research on failures of heat transfer
>>>>> systems filled with
>>>>> food grade glycol (propylene) and inhibited ethylene glycol. In
>>>>> fact I spent an entire
>>>>> year doing so. In large mixed metal systems the expected life of
>>>>> propylene glycol as a
>>>>> coolant is significantly less than ethylene glycol systems. The
>>>>> biggest contributor to
>>>>> failure is entrained air and high operating temperatures. The
>>>>> air oxidizes the glycol
>>>>> forming fairly long molecular chain organic acids. The
>>>>> inhibitors have capacity to
>>>>> buffer the pH change to a limit. What you'll notice with
>>>>> propylene glycol (NPG and
>>>>> NPG+) filled systems is steady and gradual discoloration of the
>>>>> coolant. It begins to
>>>>> start turning brown soon after installing and at some point it
>>>>> can start to form a
>>>>> corrosive sludge that will plug heat exchangers. Of course in a
>>>>> small engine, you
>>>>> don't have to maintain inhibitors or worry about filtering, you
>>>>> just drain, flush and
>>>>> refill.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because of the significantly lower heat capacity of pure
>>>>> inhibited propylene glycol,
>>>>> more flow is required. For some applications this means using a
>>>>> higher flow capacity
>>>>> water pump and more tubes in the radiator. The Evans people, in
>>>>> fact, sell cooling
>>>>> system mods for engines they use in racing conditions because
>>>>> of this.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, if you are convinced this is something you want to use, you
>>>>> will need to change
>>>>> out the fluid more often and use twice as much than if you use
>>>>> 50-50 mix of water and
>>>>> inhibited ethylene glycol and you will not have the freeze
>>>>> protection and the NPG or
>>>>> NPG+ should not be operated much below 40F which is
>>>>> problematic in aircraft where the
>>>>> ambient air temperature is often colder than this.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think using a higher pressure cap and the heavy duty
>>>>> (extended life) rated for mixed
>>>>> metals type of inhibited ethylene glycol which is color coded
>>>>> orange in the US and is
>>>>> the recommended fluid by Ford, GM, Chrysler, Caterpillar and
>>>>> Cummins is my preference
>>>>> and I will use in my Rotax 914.
>>>>>
>>>>> The extended life coolants use an entirely different corrosion
>>>>> inhibiting chemistry
>>>>> that uses carboxylate organic acids instead of the silicates,
>>>>> phosphates or borates.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a brief overview of engine coolants:
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.aa1car.com/library/coolant.htm>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am neither endorsing nor discouraging the use of Evans'
>>>>> waterless coolant.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Paul A. Franz
>>>>> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
>>>>> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
>>>>> Bellevue WA
>>>>> 425.241.1618 Cell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EA 81 Turbo Thermostat |
Thanks everyone for their opinions, it has been very helpful when I was putting
this Vixen back together. There are still a few more tinkers that need to be
completed, and the thermostat is one of the last things as well as replacing
the water pump so it will function at higher rpms. There was no thermostat on
the engine that was blown (valve), so didn't even know if it requires one in
the first place.
I don't think I am interested in the waterless, just had never heard of it and
asked. Where I fly, the temps get pretty low, so don't think it would be appropriate
in this climate. But info was provided very nicely as other issues have
been explained.
As far as engine choices, the Subaru turbo was the one in this little plane so
will stick with it for now. It sure has plenty of get up and go! I have about
30 hours on the new engine, and the only issue is temp getting a little on the
high side when climbing (up to 220F). But with prop adjustments have been
able to keep it under control.
Ted
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow indicator |
I have always wanted a fuel flow gage in my Kitfox but I am a little
concerned about the sending unit. What if the rotor jams? Will it stop the fuel
flow
to the engine? Now I had one in my Piper Pacer before I sold it and I loved
it.(it was the EI aviation unit) That Northstar unit is sure tempting me as it
is cheap, light and has lots of useful features.
Another useful item I would not be without is my Monroy traffic alerter. It
works very well at detecting traffic. I now have it installed in my panel vs
on top of the glareshield.
Dick Maddux
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow indicator |
[quote="Dick Maddux"]I have always wanted a fuel flow gage in my Kitfox but I am
a little concerned about the sending unit. What if the rotor jams? Will it stop
the fuel flow to the engine? Now I had one in my Piper Pacer before I sold
it and I loved it.(it was the EI aviation unit) That Northstar unit is sure
tempting me as it is cheap, light and has lots of useful features.
Another useful item I would not be without is my Monroy traffic alerter. It works
very well at detecting traffic. I now have it installed in my panel vs on
top of the glareshield.
Dick Maddux
Pensacola,Fl
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> [b]
I cant imagine how big of a piece of crap it would take to stop the turbine from
flowing fuel. If you are that worried, you could run a simple bypass valve
and line around it in the extremely remote event that it stopped flowing. But
if you are going to go to that length, you may as well run a redundant fuel system
to include new pick ups in the tanks all the way to an additional fuel pump.
May even try to bolt another set of carbs inline incase one get some crap
jammed in the needle.
I would not be too worried about it. Just run the clear filter in front of it
as the instructions call for (you can see it in the pics I posted) and you should
be golden. I am convinced that the benefits far out weight the negatives
or what if's. You would be amazed what 30-50 rpm will do for fuel burn (let alone
a couple hundred RPM) versus the speed difference it shows on the GPS.
--------
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow indicator |
The way the turbine is designed it will allow full flow thru even if it
jams.
I have been using them for approx 6 yrs and no problems
Gary Algate
Classic 4 jab 2200
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I have always wanted a fuel flow gage in my Kitfox but I am a little
concerned about the sending unit. What if the rotor jams? Will it stop the
fuel flow to the engine? Now I had one in my Piper Pacer before I sold it
and I loved it.(it was the EI aviation unit) That Northstar unit is sure
tempting me as it is cheap, light and has lots of useful features.
Another useful item I would not be without is my Monroy traffic alerter.
It works very well at detecting traffic. I now have it installed in my
panel vs on top of the glareshield.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax powered Cessna |
On Mon, January 12, 2009 3:04 am, Lynn Matteson wrote:
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> Maybe because they were there first? How many of the Cessnas out
> there are Rotax-powered?
Years ago when at NSI in Arlington, I looked at a project Lance was doing with
a
Subaru powered C150. It was almost complete at that time. Who knows, maybe someone
has
put a 912 in one too. Sort of doubtful due to the cost of certification and I would
think the resale value would be hard hit with "EXPERIMENTAL" written above the
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax powered Cessna |
The new Cessna 162 SLA started out with a Rotax 912S but it wasn't well
accepted by the GA community so it was replaced with the new 100Hp
Continental
2000 hr TBO so no real benefit over the Jab but GA is a conservative
community.
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On Mon, January 12, 2009 3:04 am, Lynn Matteson wrote:
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> Maybe because they were there first? How many of the Cessnas out
> there are Rotax-powered?
Years ago when at NSI in Arlington, I looked at a project Lance was doing
with a
Subaru powered C150. It was almost complete at that time. Who knows, maybe
someone has
put a 912 in one too. Sort of doubtful due to the cost of certification
and I would
think the resale value would be hard hit with "EXPERIMENTAL" written above
the entry
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax powered Cessna |
Yea=2C look at the payload. 2 200 pounders and no fuel.
ssnaFrom: gary.algate@sandvik.comDate: Tue=2C 13 Jan 2009 07:52:17 +0930The
new Cessna 162 SLA started out with a Rotax 912S but it wasn't well accept
ed by the GA community so it was replaced with the new 100Hp Continental 20
00 hr TBO so no real benefit over the Jab but GA is a conservative communi
ty. Gary AlgateClassic 4 jab2200Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655This e-mail is
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they were there first? How many of the Cessnas out> there are Rotax-powere
d?Years ago when at NSI in Arlington=2C I looked at a project Lance was doi
ng with aSubaru powered C150. It was almost complete at that time. Who know
s=2C maybe someone hasput a 912 in one too. Sort of doubtful due to the cos
t of certification and I wouldthink the resale value would be hard hit with
"EXPERIMENTAL" written above the entrystep.-- Paul A. FranzRegistration/Ai
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow indicator |
Correct Gary.
Boatersland has the northstar F210 on sale $109. Good until 1/31
Paul
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>The way the turbine is designed it will allow full flow thru even if it jams.
>
>I have been using them for approx 6 yrs and no problems
>
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>I have always wanted a fuel flow gage in my Kitfox but I am a little
>concerned about the sending unit. What if the rotor jams? Will it
>stop the fuel flow to the engine? Now I had one in my Piper
>Pacer before I sold it and I loved it.(it was the EI aviation unit)
>That Northstar unit is sure tempting me as it is cheap, light and
>has lots of useful features.
> Another useful item I would not be without is my Monroy traffic
> alerter. It works very well at detecting traffic. I now have it
> installed in my panel vs on top of the glareshield.
> Dick Maddux
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I think the real answer was business related and not having a product
that was subject to currency fluctuations. Especially the Euro. With
Continental one can get a fixed price contract with no unknown
currency issues. I don't blame them for that, but they had to
source the airframe to China to make the product saleable. Now they
have a new currency issue. Its a tough business - Sigh.
Paul
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At 02:22 PM 1/12/2009, you wrote:
>The new Cessna 162 SLA started out with a Rotax 912S but it wasn't
>well accepted by the GA community so it was replaced with the new
>100Hp Continental
>
>2000 hr TBO so no real benefit over the Jab but GA is a
>conservative community.
>
>Gary Algate
>Classic 4 jab2200
>Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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Nope Paul - I just received the latest issue of Australian aviation and
they had an article on the Cessna LSA with input from the Cessna design
team. The engine decision was purely commercial and based on potential
customer surveys. The feedback they received from the GA community and
also flight schools etc was that a conventional air-cooled engine was
preferred. Once they announced the engine change they received 1,000 firm
orders based on a US$ price if $115,000.
The first model crashed during spin tests but the pilot was able to
bailout safely.
The decision to assemble the 162 in China was based on reduced labor costs
but the majority of components are sourced out of China and the final fit
out is done in the USA.
Cessna announced that the only reason they decided to assemble the
aircraft in China was because the LSA market needed a price in the US$100K
range which could not be achieved with a US build.
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was subject to currency fluctuations. Especially the Euro. With
Continental one can get a fixed price contract with no unknown currency
issues. I don't blame them for that, but they had to source the airframe
to China to make the product saleable. Now they have a new currency issue.
Its a tough business - Sigh.
Paul
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The new Cessna 162 SLA started out with a Rotax 912S but it wasn't well
accepted by the GA community so it was replaced with the new 100Hp
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering a KitfoxTrailering a Kitfox |
Just a note---the same document that says that an Avid/Kitfox can be
towed on its wheels for up to 10 miles states that the Avid (with its 43
HP Cuyuna) will cruise at 80 mph!! Go figure!
Pops
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The seats are gone guys. Sorry I didn't have more. I had three
replies, so I took the time of the first reply received. Norm
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yep, same technique I use LOL
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
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