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1. 12:36 AM - Re: Re: Rotax powered Cessna (Lynn Matteson)
2. 06:12 AM - Re: Fuel flow indicator (Catz631@aol.com)
3. 08:08 AM - Re: Rotax powered Cessna (JetPilot)
4. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: Rotax powered Cessna (Rueb, Duane)
5. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: Rotax powered Cessna (Noel Loveys)
6. 10:12 AM - Re: Re: Rotax powered Cessna (Noel Loveys)
7. 10:19 AM - Ski report...off topic (Lynn Matteson)
8. 10:59 AM - Re: Ski report...off topic (Noel Loveys)
9. 11:27 AM - Re: Ski report...off topic (Marco Menezes)
10. 12:48 PM - Re: Ski report...off topic (akflyer)
11. 01:41 PM - Re: Ski report...off topic (Lynn Matteson)
12. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: Ski report...off topic (Lynn Matteson)
13. 02:20 PM - Ski report...flying (Lynn Matteson)
14. 02:42 PM - Re: Engine Ground strap (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
15. 02:45 PM - Re: Converting a Series 5 Vixen to tail dragger (WurlyBird)
16. 03:02 PM - Re: Another query about towing, front spar supports (vetdrem)
17. 03:10 PM - Re: Ski report...flying (patrick reilly)
18. 03:21 PM - Re: Engine Ground strap (patrick reilly)
19. 03:27 PM - Re: Another query about towing, front spar supports (Tom Jones)
20. 03:35 PM - Re: Ski report...flying (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
21. 03:45 PM - Re: Another query about towing, front spar supports (vetdrem)
22. 03:49 PM - Re: Engine Ground strap (Noel Loveys)
23. 03:52 PM - Re: Ski report...flying (Lynn Matteson)
24. 03:53 PM - Re: Ski report...flying (Noel Loveys)
25. 04:04 PM - Re: Ski report...flying (Lynn Matteson)
26. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: Another query about towing, front spar supports (Lynn Matteson)
27. 04:07 PM - Re: Ski report...flying (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
28. 04:22 PM - Re: Ski report...flying (Lynn Matteson)
29. 04:24 PM - ICAO code for a Classic IV (icaza francisco)
30. 04:28 PM - Re: Ski report...flying (Lynn Matteson)
31. 04:37 PM - Re: Another query about towing, front spar supports (WurlyBird)
32. 05:00 PM - Re: Ski report...flying (Lowell Fitt)
33. 05:00 PM - Re: ICAO code for a Classic IV (Trey Moran)
34. 05:04 PM - Re: Ski report...flying (Noel Loveys)
35. 05:05 PM - Re: Ski report...flying (akflyer)
36. 05:23 PM - Re: Another query about towing, front spar supports (Tom Jones)
37. 05:34 PM - Re: ICAO code for a Classic IV (icaza francisco)
38. 05:58 PM - Re: Fuel flow indicator (jridgway)
39. 06:10 PM - Re: [!! SPAM] Re: Re: Rotax powered Cessna (Guy Buchanan)
40. 06:21 PM - Re: Ski report...flying (Lynn Matteson)
41. 06:22 PM - Re: Ski report...off topic (Jim Crowder)
42. 06:28 PM - [!! SPAM] Re: Rotax powered Cessna (Tom Jones)
43. 06:39 PM - Re: Ski report...flying (Lynn Matteson)
44. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: Ski report...flying (Lynn Matteson)
45. 07:34 PM - Re: Ski report...off topic (Lynn Matteson)
46. 08:17 PM - Re: Ski report...flying (Noel Loveys)
47. 08:18 PM - Re: [!! SPAM] Re: Rotax powered Cessna (Noel Loveys)
48. 08:26 PM - Re: Ski report...flying (Noel Loveys)
49. 11:37 PM - Re: ICAO code for a Classic IV (Michel Verheughe)
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax powered Cessna |
So I guess it's not just me that prefers air-cooled.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire
ignition system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Jan 12, 2009, at 6:43 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
The engine decision was purely commercial and based on potential
customer surveys. The feedback they received from the GA community
and also flight schools etc was that a conventional air-cooled
engine was preferred. Once they announced the engine change they
received 1,000 firm orders based on a US$ price if $115,000.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow indicator |
OK ! You guys have convinced me I am buying one of these Northstar units
today at the super deluxe price of $109. Now I just have to find a space in my
panel as it is full of stuff.
Dick Maddux
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax powered Cessna |
Lynn Matteson wrote:
> So I guess it's not just me that prefers air-cooled.
>
>
It was not an issue of the engine being " Air Cooled " or not, the GA training
community wanted a proven and certified GA type engine, not some new experimental
engine. That is why they used a Continental 0200 instead of a Jabiru 3300
or anything else, it is what the flight school operators wanted.
When a company is willing to use an experimental type engine for a light sport
aircraft, they chose the Rotax 912 8 out of 10 times... Its pretty hard to get
an 80 % consensus on anything, but that is the fact. There are a lot more important
things in the design and reliability of an engine other than just comparing
air cooled compared to water cooled. The Air Cooled advantage has not
been enough to outweigh the other problems that the Jabiru engines have had.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax powered Cessna |
'Oh Lord forgive them for they know not what they do' (the 'GA' survey group).
Just to save a little $ up front they have compromised everything related to
overall performance and cost of operation and safety. Cessna knows better than
to do this, but obviously have caved in to the whims of a non educated 'survey
group'.
I strongly suspect that the survey group consists mostly of newby maybes (who
said in the survey that they will be purchasers) and reflects a great deal of
inexperience with aviation. Cessna has to know better than to do this, but is
apparently over driven by their 'survey'.
I really had the hope that their (Cessna's) entry into foray would result in a
major improvement of the quality of power plants used in the sport category,
but I guess not. Instead, I predict that some years down the line from now we
will be reading about how it will be a new discovery by some writer of an article
that real aircraft engines that are designed for flight from the crankshaft
out to fly are actually the best choice for aircraft use, and low and behold
are even less costly as a result of this when the data is all in. Guess what,
car engines seem to be the best choice for use in cars, and snow mobile engines
seem also to work best in snow mobiles, and on and on. This is not surprising
since the reciprocating engine is so mature in its development, with scores
of talented designers working to refine them now for more than 100 years.
Some time ago Moony aircraft and Porsche worked cooperatively to adapt the 911
(air cooled) engine to use in the Moony, and after it was all done, guess what
was 'discovered'? By the time all of modifications to the car engine were made,
it was not advantageous in any way to the engines that had been used in the
airplane before. OK, so the power per displacement was higher. Who cares
what the displacement is in an airplane? It's the weight and reliability that
count. The car engine is sized displacement wise for tax considerations, and
due to all of the development made for class racing, works very well in cars.
I doubt that an aircraft engine would be a good choice for use in a Porsche 911
We will read how that engines that are capable of direct drive, having ac single
cooling system and only one carburetor, or a single point of distribution fuel
injection, (that never falls off) and that do not have the capability of 'blowing
a head gasket' because their larger single piece cylinders are strongly
fastened to the also very strong crankcase don't have a head gasket. How good
it is to have mixture control and on and on, and how much all of this can contribute
to peace of mind and safety. Safety really should be more up front
in Cessna's mind since many of their sales will likely be to newby innocents who
do not know much (yet) about aircraft and flight and all of the factors that
impinge on the activity of piloting one's own craft in that great ocean of air
that we call the sky.
My concern here is NOT for the qualified experimenters whom are knowledgeable
and quite aware of the tradeoffs that they make when they try things. And I do
appreciate fully the benefits of their trials to the development of many good
ideas.
I do, however, have a concern for the newbys that will innocently assume the they
are purchasing a craft that will not only represent good value, but will represent
the best overall choice of power plant for simplicity, safety, and operating
cost. An engine with two cooling systems, two carburetors (that can get
out of sync), a puny alternator that has issues with its wiring, cannot be
leaned for best power, but is supposed to do so automatically does not represent
the best possible choice for these new pilots, and I am sure that Cessna also
knows it, but is trading this for a purchase price point that might help their
sales initially, but in the long run I suspect many of their purchasers will
want to up-grade their engine to one that is simpler, more robust and overall
less expensive.
Duane Rueb, N24ZM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax powered Cessna
So I guess it's not just me that prefers air-cooled.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire
ignition system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Jan 12, 2009, at 6:43 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
The engine decision was purely commercial and based on potential
customer surveys. The feedback they received from the GA community
and also flight schools etc was that a conventional air-cooled
engine was preferred. Once they announced the engine change they
received 1,000 firm orders based on a US$ price if $115,000.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax powered Cessna |
Just goes to show the operators of flight schools are pilots not engineers.
As pilots I don't blame them at all. As engineers they missed the boat.
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JetPilot
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:37 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax powered Cessna
Lynn Matteson wrote:
> So I guess it's not just me that prefers air-cooled.
>
>
It was not an issue of the engine being " Air Cooled " or not, the GA
training community wanted a proven and certified GA type engine, not some
new experimental engine. That is why they used a Continental 0200 instead
of a Jabiru 3300 or anything else, it is what the flight school operators
wanted.
When a company is willing to use an experimental type engine for a light
sport aircraft, they chose the Rotax 912 8 out of 10 times... Its pretty
hard to get an 80 % consensus on anything, but that is the fact. There are
a lot more important things in the design and reliability of an engine other
than just comparing air cooled compared to water cooled. The Air Cooled
advantage has not been enough to outweigh the other problems that the Jabiru
engines have had.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
could have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224490#224490
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax powered Cessna |
Did anybody put it to Cessna to offer the Rotax engine as an option? Then
we could find out how the resale values go.
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rueb, Duane
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:09 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax powered Cessna
'Oh Lord forgive them for they know not what they do' (the 'GA' survey
group). Just to save a little $ up front they have compromised everything
related to overall performance and cost of operation and safety. Cessna
knows better than to do this, but obviously have caved in to the whims of a
non educated 'survey group'.
I strongly suspect that the survey group consists mostly of newby
maybes (who said in the survey that they will be purchasers) and reflects a
great deal of inexperience with aviation. Cessna has to know better than to
do this, but is apparently over driven by their 'survey'.
I really had the hope that their (Cessna's) entry into foray would
result in a major improvement of the quality of power plants used in the
sport category, but I guess not. Instead, I predict that some years down
the line from now we will be reading about how it will be a new discovery by
some writer of an article that real aircraft engines that are designed for
flight from the crankshaft out to fly are actually the best choice for
aircraft use, and low and behold are even less costly as a result of this
when the data is all in. Guess what, car engines seem to be the best choice
for use in cars, and snow mobile engines seem also to work best in snow
mobiles, and on and on. This is not surprising since the reciprocating
engine is so mature in its development, with scores of talented designers
working to refine them now for more than 100 years.
Some time ago Moony aircraft and Porsche worked cooperatively to
adapt the 911 (air cooled) engine to use in the Moony, and after it was all
done, guess what was 'discovered'? By the time all of modifications to the
car engine were made, it was not advantageous in any way to the engines that
had been used in the airplane before. OK, so the power per displacement was
higher. Who cares what the displacement is in an airplane? It's the weight
and reliability that count. The car engine is sized displacement wise for
tax considerations, and due to all of the development made for class racing,
works very well in cars.
I doubt that an aircraft engine would be a good choice for use in a
Porsche 911
We will read how that engines that are capable of direct drive,
having ac single cooling system and only one carburetor, or a single point
of distribution fuel injection, (that never falls off) and that do not have
the capability of 'blowing a head gasket' because their larger single piece
cylinders are strongly fastened to the also very strong crankcase don't have
a head gasket. How good it is to have mixture control and on and on, and
how much all of this can contribute to peace of mind and safety. Safety
really should be more up front in Cessna's mind since many of their sales
will likely be to newby innocents who do not know much (yet) about aircraft
and flight and all of the factors that impinge on the activity of piloting
one's own craft in that great ocean of air that we call the sky.
My concern here is NOT for the qualified experimenters whom are
knowledgeable and quite aware of the tradeoffs that they make when they try
things. And I do appreciate fully the benefits of their trials to the
development of many good ideas.
I do, however, have a concern for the newbys that will innocently
assume the they are purchasing a craft that will not only represent good
value, but will represent the best overall choice of power plant for
simplicity, safety, and operating cost. An engine with two cooling systems,
two carburetors (that can get out of sync), a puny alternator that has
issues with its wiring, cannot be leaned for best power, but is supposed to
do so automatically does not represent the best possible choice for these
new pilots, and I am sure that Cessna also knows it, but is trading this for
a purchase price point that might help their sales initially, but in the
long run I suspect many of their purchasers will want to up-grade their
engine to one that is simpler, more robust and overall less expensive.
Duane Rueb, N24ZM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax powered Cessna
So I guess it's not just me that prefers air-cooled.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire
ignition system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Jan 12, 2009, at 6:43 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
The engine decision was purely commercial and based on potential
customer surveys. The feedback they received from the GA community
and also flight schools etc was that a conventional air-cooled
engine was preferred. Once they announced the engine change they
received 1,000 firm orders based on a US$ price if $115,000.
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| Subject: | Ski report...off topic |
First taxi test on my new skis went very well. Only snow flurries,
blowing snow, low ceiling, and wind of 14 mph and gusts higher kept
me on the ground. I was able to taxi at 30 mph, tail off the ground,
at about half throttle, so there was nothing that was going to keep
it from flying. The new skis float much better than the old
ones....this was apparent right from the time I started out. The snow
was a measured 8-11 inches. I measured my tracks, and the ski bottoms
were about 2 inches above the ground, meaning the skis are lifting
the wheels off the ground. Higher speed would have seen the skis
climb above the snow. It takes much less power to taxi than before,
but this is all related to snow conditions. We had a light mist
overnight so the snow was heavy on top. The Kitfox IV turns very
well, probably partly due to the ski bottoms being curved up for the
last 1.5 inches on each side. Also, the plane is much easier to drag
backwards into the hangar, as all trailing edges are curved upward.
It should only happen once a year, but after my initial installation
of the stub "axles", the ski installation took only 11 minutes for
the pair. Even adding the time to install the stubs, total
installation time would be under an hour.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire
ignition system;
do not archive
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| Subject: | Ski report...off topic |
Ski reports on airplanes are hardly off topic.... when do we get to see
some pics???
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:49 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ski report...off topic
First taxi test on my new skis went very well. Only snow flurries,
blowing snow, low ceiling, and wind of 14 mph and gusts higher kept
me on the ground. I was able to taxi at 30 mph, tail off the ground,
at about half throttle, so there was nothing that was going to keep
it from flying. The new skis float much better than the old
ones....this was apparent right from the time I started out. The snow
was a measured 8-11 inches. I measured my tracks, and the ski bottoms
were about 2 inches above the ground, meaning the skis are lifting
the wheels off the ground. Higher speed would have seen the skis
climb above the snow. It takes much less power to taxi than before,
but this is all related to snow conditions. We had a light mist
overnight so the snow was heavy on top. The Kitfox IV turns very
well, probably partly due to the ski bottoms being curved up for the
last 1.5 inches on each side. Also, the plane is much easier to drag
backwards into the hangar, as all trailing edges are curved upward.
It should only happen once a year, but after my initial installation
of the stub "axles", the ski installation took only 11 minutes for
the pair. Even adding the time to install the stubs, total
installation time would be under an hour.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire
ignition system;
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Ski report...off topic |
Sounds great Lynn. Post some pictures when you get the chance. Out to shove
l some snow now, we got about 6-8" last night. Got that flow indicator in y
et?
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
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do not archive
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--- On Tue, 1/13/09, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ski report...off topic
First taxi test on my new skis went very well. Only snow flurries, blowing
snow, low ceiling, and wind of 14 mph and gusts higher kept me on the groun
d. I
was able to taxi at 30 mph, tail off the ground, at about half throttle, so
there was nothing that was going to keep it from flying. The new skis float
much
better than the old ones....this was apparent right from the time I started
out.
The snow was a measured 8-11 inches. I measured my tracks, and the ski bott
oms
were about 2 inches above the ground, meaning the skis are lifting the whee
ls
off the ground. Higher speed would have seen the skis climb above the snow.
It
takes much less power to taxi than before, but this is all related to snow
conditions. We had a light mist overnight so the snow was heavy on top. The
Kitfox IV turns very well, probably partly due to the ski bottoms being cur
ved
up for the last 1.5 inches on each side. Also, the plane is much easier to
drag
backwards into the hangar, as all trailing edges are curved upward.
It should only happen once a year, but after my initial installation of the
stub "axles", the ski installation took only 11 minutes for the pair.
Even adding the time to install the stubs, total installation time would be
under an hour.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire ignition
system;
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Ski report...off topic |
Float Flyr wrote:
> Ski reports on airplanes are hardly off topic.... when do we get to see
> some pics???
>
> Noel
>
> --
X2 This is NOT off topic. Good to hear the new skis are gonna work for you, but
then again, you never really had any doubts that they wouldn't did ya?
Finally warmed up at the house and they are calling for snow for the next week
so hopefully I will get some time in on mine in and play in lots of powder. I
will have the external video camera running if I do so i hope to get some good
footage!
Pics of the finished ski's would be great!
I did not forget about getting you pics of the hydraulic wheel ski's, the guy was
not in town last time. I know he is now so I will go over and get pics when
I get in this time.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Ski report...off topic |
Not yet...been too busy with the skis....pics on the next post...
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire
ignition system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Jan 13, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> Sounds great Lynn. Post some pictures when you get the chance. Out
> to shovel some snow now, we got about 6-8" last night. Got that
> flow indicator in yet?
>
> Marco Menezes N99KX
> Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
>
> do not archive
>
>
> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Ski report...off topic
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 1:18 PM
>
> First taxi test on my new skis went very well. Only snow flurries,
> blowing snow, low ceiling, and wind of 14 mph and gusts higher kept
> me on the ground. I was able to taxi at 30 mph, tail off the
> ground, at about half throttle, so there was nothing that was going
> to keep it from flying. The new skis float much better than the old
> ones....this was apparent right from the time I started out. The
> snow was a measured 8-11 inches. I measured my tracks, and the ski
> bottoms were about 2 inches above the ground, meaning the skis are
> lifting the wheels off the ground. Higher speed would have seen the
> skis climb above the snow. It takes much less power to taxi than
> before, but this is all related to snow conditions. We had a light
> mist overnight so the snow was heavy on top. The Kitfox IV turns
> very well, probably partly due to the ski bottoms being curved up
> for the last 1.5 inches on each side. Also, the plane is much
> easier to drag backwards into the hangar, as all trailing edges are
> curved upward. It should only happen once a year, but after my
> initial installation of the stub "axles", the ski installation took
> only 11 minutes for the pair. Even adding the time to install the
> stubs, total installation time would be under an hour. Lynn
> Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2
> hrs Sensenich 62x46 flying again after engine rebuild, and new
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system; do not archive
>
> _-
> ========================
> 3D=======================3
> ========================
> 3D=======================3
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| Subject: | Re: Ski report...off topic |
Thanks for remembering, Leonard....I am posting pics right now, on
another posting, including flight pics...yup, had to fly her!
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire
ignition system;
also building a new pair of snow skis
do not archive
On Jan 13, 2009, at 3:48 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
>
> Float Flyr wrote:
>> Ski reports on airplanes are hardly off topic.... when do we get
>> to see
>> some pics???
>>
>> Noel
>>
>> --
>
>
> X2 This is NOT off topic. Good to hear the new skis are gonna
> work for you, but then again, you never really had any doubts that
> they wouldn't did ya?
>
> Finally warmed up at the house and they are calling for snow for
> the next week so hopefully I will get some time in on mine in and
> play in lots of powder. I will have the external video camera
> running if I do so i hope to get some good footage!
>
> Pics of the finished ski's would be great!
>
> I did not forget about getting you pics of the hydraulic wheel
> ski's, the guy was not in town last time. I know he is now so I
> will go over and get pics when I get in this time.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis
> takes over.
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224559#224559
>
>
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| Subject: | Ski report...flying |
I couldn't stand not flying today, so I sucked it up and went out. I
was a bit reluctant because I woke up a t 3 am, couldn't get back to
sleep, and figured by 11 am or so, that I probably was too pooped to
participate. Got an hours' rest and the pretty clear sky and calming
winds...only 20 mph at altitude....told me this was my only shot for
at least 3-4 days, what with below zero coming (yeah, I know, I'm a
wimp, Leonard) for the next 3 days and a storm promised. I got
airborne without much of a problem, circled the field and came back
in. Wind was pretty much down the 27 runway...I cleared the trees to
the east, landed pretty short, felt it become real normal and slow,
then powered it up and took right off again, using less than half the
1700' field for the landing, the roll-out and the takeoff. Flew it
over to Napoleon Airport (3NP), landed on 33 there...wind was
favoring that one over there. I went into the restaurant, and seeing
nobody ready the hang a laurel wreath on me for valor, I left and
went back up. I saw some snow headed my way on both sides of the
plane, so figured I'd better beat it back home.
So three landings in the book, the plane works beautifully with these
skis....I was plowing through the fresh snow at 2100 rpm, much better
than the old "cheese slicer" models. Boy, the guy who built those
must've been a damn photographer in another life.
I hope these aren't too large...1.9 megs worth...if they bounce, I'll
separate them....
On Jan 13, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Ski reports on airplanes are hardly off topic.... when do we get
> to see
> some pics???
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Ground strap |
Hello Kitfoxers,
I disagree with the consensus on this thread. To be a purest when it comes
to "best practices" in making electrical connections, one should never make
an electrical connection that is shared with a structural one. I know that it
is most tempting to use an engine mount bolt for that through-the-firewall
electrical connection.
All structural bolts have a mechanical load that have the potential to work
and eventually become at least "electrically" loose long before they are
mechanically loose. All electrical connection bolts should have no other purpose
in life other than to carry electrical current. Plus, ideally one should
never use dissimilar metals in the electrical circuit path. A copper braided
engine ground strap with a copper ring terminal connected to a separate copper
or brass through-the-fire wall bolt is ideal. Mixing steel and copper at
electrical connections should always be avoided. Using copper or brass double
serrated washers at these connections are required for best electrical "bite".
When the battery is on the rear side of the firewall, this is one of the
most critical electrical connections to make well.
John Marzluf
Columbus Ohio
Outback, 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Converting a Series 5 Vixen to tail dragger |
I almost bought a Vixen with the intent of doing a conversion. I spent a couple
months discussing it with some VERY knowledgeable people and studying pictures
and diagrams. I came to the conclusion that it is quite possible if it is
your intent to use Grove gear. You are going to need to do some pretty in depth
calculations to ensure it will be strong enough, but from studying the pictures
the frame of the Vixen and the Outback are the same all except for the door
sill. And if you top it all off with a plate to cover the front lower door
frame area, like the Outback, it should be nice and strong. If you really want
to, go for it but it is going to be a fair amount of work especially if you
need to remove the covering to get started. Good luck with the project.
--------
Prospective Kitfox buyer
Here for information on airframes and engines
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| Subject: | Re: Another query about towing, front spar supports |
I made a set for my model 3, and have used them for a few thousand miles.
I am near Fort Smith, Arkansas and would be happy to loan them to you for the trip.
I could package them up and send them UPS if you cover the cost.
if that sounds good, call me at (989) 387-4662
Louie
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| Subject: | Ski report...flying |
Lynn=2C Beautiful set of skis. Did you gas weld them? There are 2 brackets
on the front tube. You used 1 for bungees. What is other 1 for? Did you hea
t the bottoms to curl the edges and the rear kickup? What is the orange pie
ce sticking out of the bearing grease cap? I have bigger bush tires=2C I gu
ess I could make a taller tower to accommodate them. I will have to have a
set of axles made 3" longer so they will stick out the back of the mount. T
hanks for the briefing and sorry to ask so many questions=2C but=2C again
=2C those are beautiful skis that can be mounted very quickly. Do you have
a tail wheel ski?Pat ReillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford=2C IL> From: lynnmatt@
jps.net> Subject: Kitfox-List: Ski report...flying> Date: Tue=2C 13 Jan 200
9 17:07:11 -0500> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > I couldn't stand not fly
ing today=2C so I sucked it up and went out. I > was a bit reluctant becaus
e I woke up a t 3 am=2C couldn't get back to > sleep=2C and figured by 11 a
m or so=2C that I probably was too pooped to > participate. Got an hours' r
est and the pretty clear sky and calming > winds...only 20 mph at altitude.
...told me this was my only shot for > at least 3-4 days=2C what with below
zero coming (yeah=2C I know=2C I'm a > wimp=2C Leonard) for the next 3 day
s and a storm promised. I got > airborne without much of a problem=2C circl
ed the field and came back > in. Wind was pretty much down the 27 runway...
I cleared the trees to > the east=2C landed pretty short=2C felt it become
real normal and slow=2C > then powered it up and took right off again=2C us
ing less than half the > 1700' field for the landing=2C the roll-out and th
e takeoff. Flew it > over to Napoleon Airport (3NP)=2C landed on 33 there..
.wind was > favoring that one over there. I went into the restaurant=2C and
seeing > nobody ready the hang a laurel wreath on me for valor=2C I left a
nd > went back up. I saw some snow headed my way on both sides of the > pla
ne=2C so figured I'd better beat it back home.> So three landings in the bo
ok=2C the plane works beautifully with these > skis....I was plowing throug
h the fresh snow at 2100 rpm=2C much better > than the old "cheese slicer"
models. Boy=2C the guy who built those > must've been a damn photographer i
n another life.> >
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| Subject: | Engine Ground strap |
John=2C This is why I asked the question to start with. But=2C being a "pur
est" is sometimes a study in futility. If you use the airframe for ground y
ou have to mix dissimilar metals at connections. I'd rather have a ground l
ead back to battery 100% of the time=2C but the boys that commented that th
ere is nothing wrong with using the engine mount bolt for getting ground th
rough the firewall are knowledgeable and numerous enough to have convinced
me. But=2C I definitely appreciate your response. I am not an electrical en
gineer and was more of a perfectionist earlier in life. Now I just want to
get the job done safely.Pat ReillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford=2C IL
From: KITFOXZ@aol.comDate: Tue=2C 13 Jan 2009 17:41:07 -0500Subject: Re: Ki
tfox-List: Engine Ground strapTo: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Hello Kitfoxers=2C
I disagree with the consensus on this thread. To be a purest when it comes
to "best practices" in making electrical connections=2C one should never m
ake an electrical connection that is shared with a structural one. I know
that it is most tempting to use an engine mount bolt for that through-the-f
irewall electrical connection.
All structural bolts have a mechanical load that have the potential to work
and eventually become at least "electrically" loose long before they are m
echanically loose. All electrical connection bolts should have no other pu
rpose in life other than to carry electrical current. Plus=2C ideally one
should never use dissimilar metals in the electrical circuit path. A coppe
r braided engine ground strap with a copper ring terminal connected to a se
parate copper or brass through-the-fire wall bolt is ideal. Mixing steel a
nd copper at electrical connections should always be avoided. Using copper
or brass double serrated washers at these connections are required for bes
t electrical "bite".
When the battery is on the rear side of the firewall=2C this is one of the
most critical electrical connections to make well.
John Marzluf
Columbus Ohio
Outback=2C 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Another query about towing, front spar supports |
> So does anyone have some information on how their wing supports connect and how
I might be able to fabricate something similar? Any information will be a huge
help, and the quicker the better since I leave to head to Florida in about
36 hours. Thanks for the help.
>
> James
These are made from one inch rigid electrical conduit. You can fabricate them
on site to fit the plane when you load it if you have a drill and a hammer.
Zoom in on the picture to see there is a slight bend on the lower end and a small
piece of rubber belting to cushion between the support and the wing spar on
the top end.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Ski report...flying |
On Tue, January 13, 2009 2:07 pm, Lynn Matteson wrote:
> I hope these aren't too large...1.9 megs worth...if they bounce, I'll
> separate them....
These photos are great. I waited hours for them! More photos would be good too.
I've got a suggestion regarding photos. If you use the forum interface to this
list it
is a fairly simple matter to post pictures. If you do that, you need not worry
about
e-mailing photos that are too large. This is a good thing to do for a couple of
reasons. 1st, when you attach them, everyone on the list gets them via e-mail whether
or not they want to look at them. Secondly, when a photo or any attachment is e-mailed
it has to undergo some type of 7 bit encoding, either uuencoding or MIME base64.
That
encoding process adds roughly 50% to the file size. And the other consideration
is
that some e-mail servers have limits to the size of an e-mail it will accept. Some
are
set to accept a total maximum size of 2 MB, many are limited to 10 MB. That would
be
roughly 6.5 MB of actual pre-encoded material. The next consideration is to Matt
Dralle. He has asked politely in numerous locations that people post photos in
the
space provided.
It's not very hard and you don't have to make a major project out of doing so either.
I will post a detailed step by step procedure if anyone would find that more useful
than the instructions already on the forum. So if just one person wants that I
will do
that so it is as close to fool proof as possible.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Another query about towing, front spar supports |
I like the way you did yours, Tom, and it would work good.
I made mine with a hardware store turnbuckle to make adjustments to the length
so that I can "pre-load" it slightly. I don't use a bolt through the spar, but
I may change mine to add that.
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| Subject: | Engine Ground strap |
I think John is right on this one. It makes sense that any bolt carrying
current could also easily corrode thereby weakening it. A separate bolt to
connecting the engine to ground to the frame is probably advisable. The
attachment to the frame is probably best located in a place that doesn't
carry too much structural load and can be easily replaced if it starts to
corrode.
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
912 almost installed
Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:51 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine Ground strap
John, This is why I asked the question to start with. But, being a "purest"
is sometimes a study in futility. If you use the airframe for ground you
have to mix dissimilar metals at connections. I'd rather have a ground lead
back to battery 100% of the time, but the boys that commented that there is
nothing wrong with using the engine mount bolt for getting ground through
the firewall are knowledgeable and numerous enough to have convinced me.
But, I definitely appreciate your response. I am not an electrical engineer
and was more of a perfectionist earlier in life. Now I just want to get the
job done safely.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
_____
From: KITFOXZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine Ground strap
Hello Kitfoxers,
I disagree with the consensus on this thread. To be a purest when it comes
to "best practices" in making electrical connections, one should never make
an electrical connection that is shared with a structural one. I know that
it is most tempting to use an engine mount bolt for that
through-the-firewall electrical connection.
All structural bolts have a mechanical load that have the potential to work
and eventually become at least "electrically" loose long before they are
mechanically loose. All electrical connection bolts should have no other
purpose in life other than to carry electrical current. Plus, ideally one
should never use dissimilar metals in the electrical circuit path. A copper
braided engine ground strap with a copper ring terminal connected to a
separate copper or brass through-the-fire wall bolt is ideal. Mixing steel
and copper at electrical connections should always be avoided. Using copper
or brass double serrated washers at these connections are required for best
electrical "bite".
When the battery is on the rear side of the firewall, this is one of the
most critical electrical connections to make well.
John Marzluf
Columbus Ohio
Outback, 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Ski report...flying |
I used my new Miller TIG welder for all welds. The two brackets/tabs
are both for bungees and the front restraint cables...I just haven't
installed the redundant bungee/cable set yet. The same goes for the
rear. And my CFI, Brian, won't see the skis until they are all in
place...in fact, he won't hear of this flight until the cables are
all in place. Others have said "they only use one set of cables and
bungees up north"...well I ain't "up north" and I have to fix my own
plane, so I'll go with the dual cables/bungees.
I wanted to get a test flight in before the weather locked me out for
the next 3-4 days, so I went minimal on the cables for this flight.
Yes, I used a propane torch to heat the 3/16" HDPE material so it
would bend. The longer side bends were the toughest, as they tended
to spring back...I would have needed another torch and possibly
another person to facilitate this bending operation, but the tabs
along the sides hold it in position, but there are "scallops" visible
in the surface. The orange thing is a "stand-off" for the wheel
pants...no point in removing it for the winter, in fact, I'd like to
make a wheel cover that would bolt to this stand-off and maybe reduce
the amount of snow that collects inside the wheel dish. No tail wheel
ski...I heard that they can be a problem with aerodymanics, trying to
make the tail do strange things, and I figured I didn't need that
kind of grief.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 13, 2009, at 6:08 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, Beautiful set of skis. Did you gas weld them? There are 2
> brackets on the front tube. You used 1 for bungees. What is other 1
> for? Did you heat the bottoms to curl the edges and the rear
> kickup? What is the orange piece sticking out of the bearing grease
> cap? I have bigger bush tires, I guess I could make a taller tower
> to accommodate them. I will have to have a set of axles made 3"
> longer so they will stick out the back of the mount. Thanks for the
> briefing and sorry to ask so many questions, but, again, those are
> beautiful skis that can be mounted very quickly. Do you have a tail
> wheel ski?
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
>
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| Subject: | Ski report...flying |
A real nice job Lynn. How about a couple of close ups of the inside and
outside of the attach points. Next year a look at the axles would be
appreciated too.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:37 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ski report...flying
I couldn't stand not flying today, so I sucked it up and went out. I was a
bit reluctant because I woke up a t 3 am, couldn't get back to sleep, and
figured by 11 am or so, that I probably was too pooped to participate. Got
an hours' rest and the pretty clear sky and calming winds...only 20 mph at
altitude....told me this was my only shot for at least 3-4 days, what with
below zero coming (yeah, I know, I'm a wimp, Leonard) for the next 3 days
and a storm promised. I got airborne without much of a problem, circled the
field and came back in. Wind was pretty much down the 27 runway...I cleared
the trees to
the east, landed pretty short, felt it become real normal and slow,
then powered it up and took right off again, using less than half the 1700'
field for the landing, the roll-out and the takeoff. Flew it over to
Napoleon Airport (3NP), landed on 33 there...wind was favoring that one over
there. I went into the restaurant, and seeing nobody ready the hang a laurel
wreath on me for valor, I left and went back up. I saw some snow headed my
way on both sides of the plane, so figured I'd better beat it back home.
So three landings in the book, the plane works beautifully with these
skis....I was plowing through the fresh snow at 2100 rpm, much better than
the old "cheese slicer" models. Boy, the guy who built those must've been a
damn photographer in another life.
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| Subject: | Re: Ski report...flying |
I'd appreciate the step-by-step, Paul. It's a pain for me to send
photos because I'm on dial-up and the going is slow. I haven't gone
to the forum interface, so it's possible I don't know how easy it is.
I've got more photos, so easier posting would be a big help. And I'd
rather not post the photos directly for those that are NOT members of
my "fan club" (ha, ha)...and to those of you out there that are not,
why the hell not? : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Jan 13, 2009, at 6:35 PM, Paul Franz - Merlin GT wrote:
> <paul@eucleides.com>
>
> On Tue, January 13, 2009 2:07 pm, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
>> I hope these aren't too large...1.9 megs worth...if they bounce, I'll
>> separate them....
>
> These photos are great. I waited hours for them! More photos would
> be good too.
>
> I've got a suggestion regarding photos. If you use the forum
> interface to this list it
> is a fairly simple matter to post pictures. If you do that, you
> need not worry about
> e-mailing photos that are too large. This is a good thing to do for
> a couple of
> reasons. 1st, when you attach them, everyone on the list gets them
> via e-mail whether
> or not they want to look at them. Secondly, when a photo or any
> attachment is e-mailed
> it has to undergo some type of 7 bit encoding, either uuencoding or
> MIME base64. That
> encoding process adds roughly 50% to the file size. And the other
> consideration is
> that some e-mail servers have limits to the size of an e-mail it
> will accept. Some are
> set to accept a total maximum size of 2 MB, many are limited to 10
> MB. That would be
> roughly 6.5 MB of actual pre-encoded material. The next
> consideration is to Matt
> Dralle. He has asked politely in numerous locations that people
> post photos in the
> space provided.
>
> It's not very hard and you don't have to make a major project out
> of doing so either.
>
> I will post a detailed step by step procedure if anyone would find
> that more useful
> than the instructions already on the forum. So if just one person
> wants that I will do
> that so it is as close to fool proof as possible.
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
>
>
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I'd suggest using a bolt through the spar with a "crush tube" made of
steel pipe or tube, rounded on the ends to match the radius of the
tube, thus insuring that you don't crush the spar when tightening the
bolt.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 13, 2009, at 6:43 PM, vetdrem wrote:
>
> I like the way you did yours, Tom, and it would work good.
>
> I made mine with a hardware store turnbuckle to make adjustments to
> the length so that I can "pre-load" it slightly. I don't use a
> bolt through the spar, but I may change mine to add that.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224607#224607
>
>
> Attachments:
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Lynn
When I flew up in N.Ontario everybody used a secondary bungee with a
restraint cable front and back. I know its important because I landed with
one broken as it evidently got damaged when I was taxiing thru a strong
snow crust on take off.
I also had a tail ski and although it made a fair difference to
manoeuvring performance on snow I never noticed any issues in flight. Mine
wasn't really "engineered" just an aluminum frame and a piece of teflon.
Hell, my balls never in the centre anyway !!!!!!
Gary
Gary Algate
Classic 4 jab 2200
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I used my new Miller TIG welder for all welds. The two brackets/tabs
are both for bungees and the front restraint cables...I just haven't
installed the redundant bungee/cable set yet. The same goes for the
rear. And my CFI, Brian, won't see the skis until they are all in
place...in fact, he won't hear of this flight until the cables are
all in place. Others have said "they only use one set of cables and
bungees up north"...well I ain't "up north" and I have to fix my own
plane, so I'll go with the dual cables/bungees.
I wanted to get a test flight in before the weather locked me out for
the next 3-4 days, so I went minimal on the cables for this flight.
Yes, I used a propane torch to heat the 3/16" HDPE material so it
would bend. The longer side bends were the toughest, as they tended
to spring back...I would have needed another torch and possibly
another person to facilitate this bending operation, but the tabs
along the sides hold it in position, but there are "scallops" visible
in the surface. The orange thing is a "stand-off" for the wheel
pants...no point in removing it for the winter, in fact, I'd like to
make a wheel cover that would bolt to this stand-off and maybe reduce
the amount of snow that collects inside the wheel dish. No tail wheel
ski...I heard that they can be a problem with aerodymanics, trying to
make the tail do strange things, and I figured I didn't need that
kind of grief.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 13, 2009, at 6:08 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, Beautiful set of skis. Did you gas weld them? There are 2
> brackets on the front tube. You used 1 for bungees. What is other 1
> for? Did you heat the bottoms to curl the edges and the rear
> kickup? What is the orange piece sticking out of the bearing grease
> cap? I have bigger bush tires, I guess I could make a taller tower
> to accommodate them. I will have to have a set of axles made 3"
> longer so they will stick out the back of the mount. Thanks for the
> briefing and sorry to ask so many questions, but, again, those are
> beautiful skis that can be mounted very quickly. Do you have a tail
> wheel ski?
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ski report...flying |
Not sure what you mean by the "inside and outside of the attach
points", Noel...you mean the stub "axle" where the ski pivots? or the
cable attach points?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Jan 13, 2009, at 6:53 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> A real nice job Lynn. How about a couple of close ups of the
> inside and
> outside of the attach points. Next year a look at the axles would be
> appreciated too.
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | ICAO code for a Classic IV |
Dear friends,
=C2-
I have a Classic IV and I wonder if there is any ICAO code for that model.
=C2-Controlers in some airports have requested me that by radio, as they
don=C2=B4t have any idea how an "Experimental Kitfox" looks, and specialy h
ow fast it is, how long it lands, etc.
I could find in an old and huge list only the one for Vixen, it is VIX.=C2
-
=C2-
Any idea?
=C2-
Thanks in advance.
=C2-
=C2-
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Classic IV 912-S
Mexico City.
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| Subject: | Re: Ski report...flying |
That's the exact reason that my CFI strongly suggested the second set.
I may try building a tail ski....if it's not too large, it probably
wouldn't wreak havoc with the flight characteristics, I guess. It's
worth a try.
Mine are dead center of the left-hand seat. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 13, 2009, at 7:06 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Lynn
>
> When I flew up in N.Ontario everybody used a secondary bungee with
> a restraint cable front and back. I know its important because I
> landed with one broken as it evidently got damaged when I was
> taxiing thru a strong snow crust on take off.
>
> I also had a tail ski and although it made a fair difference to
> manoeuvring performance on snow I never noticed any issues in
> flight. Mine wasn't really "engineered" just an aluminum frame and
> a piece of teflon. Hell, my balls never in the centre anyway !!!!!!
>
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> Classic 4 jab 2200
> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
>
>
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> this message by persons or entities other than the intended
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>
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> 14/01/2009 10:00 AM
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> Subject
> Re: Kitfox-List: Ski report...flying
>
>
>
> I used my new Miller TIG welder for all welds. The two brackets/tabs
> are both for bungees and the front restraint cables...I just haven't
> installed the redundant bungee/cable set yet. The same goes for the
> rear. And my CFI, Brian, won't see the skis until they are all in
> place...in fact, he won't hear of this flight until the cables are
> all in place. Others have said "they only use one set of cables and
> bungees up north"...well I ain't "up north" and I have to fix my own
> plane, so I'll go with the dual cables/bungees.
>
> I wanted to get a test flight in before the weather locked me out for
> the next 3-4 days, so I went minimal on the cables for this flight.
> Yes, I used a propane torch to heat the 3/16" HDPE material so it
> would bend. The longer side bends were the toughest, as they tended
> to spring back...I would have needed another torch and possibly
> another person to facilitate this bending operation, but the tabs
> along the sides hold it in position, but there are "scallops" visible
> in the surface. The orange thing is a "stand-off" for the wheel
> pants...no point in removing it for the winter, in fact, I'd like to
> make a wheel cover that would bolt to this stand-off and maybe reduce
> the amount of snow that collects inside the wheel dish. No tail wheel
> ski...I heard that they can be a problem with aerodymanics, trying to
> make the tail do strange things, and I figured I didn't need that
> kind of grief.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2009, at 6:08 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
>
> > Lynn, Beautiful set of skis. Did you gas weld them? There are 2
> > brackets on the front tube. You used 1 for bungees. What is other 1
> > for? Did you heat the bottoms to curl the edges and the rear
> > kickup? What is the orange piece sticking out of the bearing grease
> > cap? I have bigger bush tires, I guess I could make a taller tower
> > to accommodate them. I will have to have a set of axles made 3"
> > longer so they will stick out the back of the mount. Thanks for the
> > briefing and sorry to ask so many questions, but, again, those are
> > beautiful skis that can be mounted very quickly. Do you have a tail
> > wheel ski?
> >
> > Pat Reilly
> > Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> > Rockford, IL
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another query about towing, front spar supports |
Vetdrem; thanks, man. I really appreciate the offer and would take you up on it
if not for the post following yours. But I really like what you did with yours.
My problem is I would back myself up just in case yours didn't make it on
time, so I would already have half the time required to make them invested in
acquiring the supplies.
TJ; I am definitely going to copy your idea. I had come up with something similar
but I was actually going to use a heavier tube and then make some bolt on
tabs with extruded metal. I don't think that could get any simpler then your
idea. I will do something very close with lock nuts. Any idea how long each
of those pins was?
Thanks for the help and the quick replies
James
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| Subject: | Re: Ski report...flying |
Lynn,
My old gone airplane had hubcaps. That is the only thing I still have as I
found that they didn't measurably affect performance and they were just in
the way when I needed to top up the air pressure so I took them off. I
still have them if you want them. I attached them by gluing an aliminum
flange over the wheel hub and putting three nutplates in the appropriate
position around the hub. come to think of it, it was the flange that was a
pain when trying to check pressures. If you want to make your own, I used
one of my wife's frying pan lids as a female mold. A little bit of PVA
release agent sprayed on them and presto a very nice moon type hubcap. My
advice to those who's wife doesn't leave the house for days at a time for
work, get permission or be real careful you don't get caught or you may get
"the look" or worse.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ski report...flying
>
> I used my new Miller TIG welder for all welds. The two brackets/tabs are
> both for bungees and the front restraint cables...I just haven't
> installed the redundant bungee/cable set yet. The same goes for the rear.
> And my CFI, Brian, won't see the skis until they are all in place...in
> fact, he won't hear of this flight until the cables are all in place.
> Others have said "they only use one set of cables and bungees up
> north"...well I ain't "up north" and I have to fix my own plane, so I'll
> go with the dual cables/bungees.
>
> I wanted to get a test flight in before the weather locked me out for the
> next 3-4 days, so I went minimal on the cables for this flight. Yes, I
> used a propane torch to heat the 3/16" HDPE material so it would bend.
> The longer side bends were the toughest, as they tended to spring
> back...I would have needed another torch and possibly another person to
> facilitate this bending operation, but the tabs along the sides hold it
> in position, but there are "scallops" visible in the surface. The orange
> thing is a "stand-off" for the wheel pants...no point in removing it for
> the winter, in fact, I'd like to make a wheel cover that would bolt to
> this stand-off and maybe reduce the amount of snow that collects inside
> the wheel dish. No tail wheel ski...I heard that they can be a problem
> with aerodymanics, trying to make the tail do strange things, and I
> figured I didn't need that kind of grief.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2009, at 6:08 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
>
>> Lynn, Beautiful set of skis. Did you gas weld them? There are 2 brackets
>> on the front tube. You used 1 for bungees. What is other 1 for? Did you
>> heat the bottoms to curl the edges and the rear kickup? What is the
>> orange piece sticking out of the bearing grease cap? I have bigger bush
>> tires, I guess I could make a taller tower to accommodate them. I will
>> have to have a set of axles made 3" longer so they will stick out the
>> back of the mount. Thanks for the briefing and sorry to ask so many
>> questions, but, again, those are beautiful skis that can be mounted very
>> quickly. Do you have a tail wheel ski?
>>
>> Pat Reilly
>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>> Rockford, IL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ICAO code for a Classic IV |
ICAO code would be FOX. See http://www.icao.int/anb/ais/8643/index.cfm
Trey Moran
Model 5, almost flying
----- Original Message -----
From: icaza francisco
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:23 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: ICAO code for a Classic IV
Dear friends,
I have a Classic IV and I wonder if there is any ICAO code for
that model. Controlers in some airports have requested me that by radio,
as they don=C2=B4t have any idea how an "Experimental Kitfox" looks, and
specialy how fast it is, how long it lands, etc.
I could find in an old and huge list only the one for Vixen, it
is VIX.
Any idea?
Thanks in advance.
Francisco Icaza
Classic IV 912-S
Mexico City.
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| Subject: | Ski report...flying |
That's the ones.
BTW what do you use to manipulate your photos? Trying to remember the Apple
equivalent in I-Life. It is possible to reduce the size of the pictures
without cropping to make them easier to zap out on phone lines.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ski report...flying
Not sure what you mean by the "inside and outside of the attach
points", Noel...you mean the stub "axle" where the ski pivots? or the
cable attach points?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Jan 13, 2009, at 6:53 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> A real nice job Lynn. How about a couple of close ups of the
> inside and
> outside of the attach points. Next year a look at the axles would be
> appreciated too.
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Ski report...flying |
[quote="Lynn Matteson"]That's the exact reason that my CFI strongly suggested the
second set.
I may try building a tail ski....if it's not too large, it probably
wouldn't wreak havoc with the flight characteristics, I guess. It's
worth a try.
Mine are dead center of the left-hand seat. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 13, 2009, at 7:06 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
[quote]
Several of the ski manufactures had a second cable on the front that they called
a "crust cutter" to keep the ice from popping the main cable, but I have not
seen a redundant set of bungees or springs.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Another query about towing, front spar supports |
> Any idea how long each of those pins was?
James, the pins are both 4 inches long. The bottom one is 1/4 inch diameter and
the top one is 5/16. I made them by cutting the threaded part off of longer
bolts. If you use a bolt on the spar, 3 inches of smooth bolt shaft will get
through the spar so no threads are rubbing on the spar or spar doubler. You
can use a little longer bolt and washers to space between the spar and the double
nut.
Tighten the first nut finger tight then hold it with a wrench while you tighten
the lock nut. Bolts will work for a one time installation and removal. Be careful
putting the threaded bolts in or taking them out of the spar as the threads
can waller out the fittings, they are soft steel.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: ICAO code for a Classic IV |
Yes, It=C2=B4s FOX
=C2-
Thanks very much Trey.
=C2-
Francisco.
--- El mar 13-ene-09, Trey Moran <nail13zg@centurytel.net> escribi=C3=B3:
De:: Trey Moran <nail13zg@centurytel.net>
Asunto: Re: Kitfox-List: ICAO code for a Classic IV
A: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Fecha: martes, 13 enero, 2009, 7:00 pm
=EF=BB
ICAO code would be FOX. See http://www.icao.int/anb/ais/8643/index.cfm
=C2-
Trey Moran
Model 5, almost flying
----- Original Message -----
From: icaza francisco
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:23 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: ICAO code for a Classic IV
Dear friends,
=C2-
I have a Classic IV and I wonder if there is any ICAO code for that model.
=C2-Controlers in some airports have requested me that by radio, as they
don=C2=B4t have any idea how an "Experimental Kitfox" looks, and specialy h
ow fast it is, how long it lands, etc.
I could find in an old and huge list only the one for Vixen, it is VIX.=C2
-
=C2-
Any idea?
=C2-
Thanks in advance.
=C2-
=C2-
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Classic IV 912-S
Mexico City.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel flow indicator |
I had one years ago on another aircraft years ago. LOVED IT !! Just got one for
my KF3. What I usually did was measure the fuel in the wing tank with a 'accurately
calibrated' measuring stick..then enter this value in my Fuel Computer
during normal engine warm up / preflight procedures. I would update gallons on
board (i.e. fuel remaining) every time I added gas to the aircraft. If I had
not flown for few weeks or so, I would do measuring stick double check / recalibrate
during my preflight..saved my butt twice..
I also just added a low fuel sensor on my KF3. I welded up a lightweight aluminum
tube (about the size of a bathroom paper tissue tube) and put a float switch
in it and put it in line between the header tank and one wing tank. I did this
because I did not want to risk trying to put it in the header tanks and get
a leak I could not stop.
Jack
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax powered Cessna |
At 08:38 AM 1/13/2009, you wrote:
>and snow mobile engines seem also to work best in snow mobiles, and
>on and on.
WHAT? This is an OUTRAGE! EVERYBODY knows snowmobile engines work
best in AIRPLANES! ;-) ;-) ;-)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Ski report...flying |
I think that I might be able to form a Baby Moon-type cover out of
aluminum or maybe this is a job for my "next-to-aquire" vacuum-
bagging skills and fiberglass. Maybe there's something out there that
I could adapt. I was thinking of using the wheel pant stand-off
because it's already there. One bolt would remove it, but it would be
stationary, and would have to clear the wheel. I'm not sure if this
would keep the snow out or not. Then there is the sprint car trick of
stuffing a foam donut into the wheel cavity to keep the dirt/mud out
of the wheel.
Hey, that fry pan lid mold idea sounds great...might give that a try.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 13, 2009, at 7:55 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Lynn,
>
> My old gone airplane had hubcaps. That is the only thing I still
> have as I found that they didn't measurably affect performance and
> they were just in the way when I needed to top up the air pressure
> so I took them off. I still have them if you want them. I
> attached them by gluing an aliminum flange over the wheel hub and
> putting three nutplates in the appropriate position around the
> hub. come to think of it, it was the flange that was a pain when
> trying to check pressures. If you want to make your own, I used
> one of my wife's frying pan lids as a female mold. A little bit of
> PVA release agent sprayed on them and presto a very nice moon type
> hubcap. My advice to those who's wife doesn't leave the house for
> days at a time for work, get permission or be real careful you
> don't get caught or you may get "the look" or worse.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ski report...flying
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| Subject: | Ski report...off topic |
Good report Lynn. I look forward to hearing more.
Jim Crowder
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 11:19 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Ski report...off topic
>
>
> First taxi test on my new skis went very well. Only snow flurries,
> blowing snow, low ceiling, and wind of 14 mph and gusts higher kept
> me on the ground. I was able to taxi at 30 mph, tail off the ground,
> at about half throttle, so there was nothing that was going to keep
> it from flying. The new skis float much better than the old
> ones....this was apparent right from the time I started out. The snow
> was a measured 8-11 inches. I measured my tracks, and the ski bottoms
> were about 2 inches above the ground, meaning the skis are lifting
> the wheels off the ground. Higher speed would have seen the skis
> climb above the snow. It takes much less power to taxi than before,
> but this is all related to snow conditions. We had a light mist
> overnight so the snow was heavy on top. The Kitfox IV turns very
> well, probably partly due to the ski bottoms being curved up for the
> last 1.5 inches on each side. Also, the plane is much easier to drag
> backwards into the hangar, as all trailing edges are curved upward.
> It should only happen once a year, but after my initial installation
> of the stub "axles", the ski installation took only 11 minutes for
> the pair. Even adding the time to install the stubs, total
> installation time would be under an hour.
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> flying again after engine rebuild, and new Electroair direct-fire
> ignition system;
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [!! SPAM] Re: Rotax powered Cessna |
> WHAT? This is an OUTRAGE! EVERYBODY knows snowmobile engines work
> best in AIRPLANES!
When someone refers to my kitfox engine as a "Snowmobile engine" my come back is:
No, the snowmobile version of this engine has twice the horsepower and costs
1/4th as much.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Ski report...flying |
I just drag them into the email and see how big the file is, then hit
"large", "medium", or "small" if they are too large. I also have
Photoshop Elements, but that's a longer process.
Which are the "ones"? ....both the axle, and the cable attach points?
The square block here bolts to the inside/backside of the Grove
landing gear. I'm not really sure what you wanted to see.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Jan 13, 2009, at 8:04 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> That's the ones.
>
>
> BTW what do you use to manipulate your photos? Trying to remember
> the Apple
> equivalent in I-Life. It is possible to reduce the size of the
> pictures
> without cropping to make them easier to zap out on phone lines.
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:52 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ski report...flying
>
>
> Not sure what you mean by the "inside and outside of the attach
> points", Noel...you mean the stub "axle" where the ski pivots? or the
> cable attach points?
>
> Lynn Matteson
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| Subject: | Re: Ski report...flying |
I used my main restraint cable on the front as a crust cutter, by
bringing it down to the front tube of the ski, then doubling it back
up about 9", installing a thimble and nicopress sleeve for the bungee
to connect to. When I get to it, I'll make up the second, redundant,
cable/bungee and install it, so it will be just like the previous
skis I made, pictured here. These are connected to separate 3-hole
tangs bolted to the float brackets on the Kitfox IV. So there is
complete redundancy, unless the bolt fails and that is pretty
unlikely, I think. The rear restraint cables...also two of them
(although this picture shows only one rear at the time) will connect
to two separate 2-hole tangs, bolted to two separate float
brackets....about as separately redundant as I can make it.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Jan 13, 2009, at 8:05 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
> [quote="Lynn Matteson"]That's the exact reason that my CFI strongly
> suggested the second set.
> I may try building a tail ski....if it's not too large, it probably
> wouldn't wreak havoc with the flight characteristics, I guess. It's
> worth a try.
> Mine are dead center of the left-hand seat. : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
> On Jan 13, 2009, at 7:06 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> [quote]
>
>
> Several of the ski manufactures had a second cable on the front
> that they called a "crust cutter" to keep the ice from popping the
> main cable, but I have not seen a redundant set of bungees or springs.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis
> takes over.
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224630#224630
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ski report...off topic |
You mean like how I measured the front cable distance in order to
triangulate the 25 degree pitch-down angle of the skis, and then cut
the cable too short, and had to make up two new ones because I was
hurrying to try to get a flight in yesterday? Or how I burned my left
hand while grabbing onto a red-hot section of weld that I had just
annealed/normalized?...and the two huge blisters still haven't popped
4 days later? Or how I hooked up one of the bungee cords, pulled it
to test it and the terminal ring popped loose, and I nearly fell on
my pratt...and a friend helping me did the same thing? (can't believe
that in two years since making the last set of skis that I forgot how
much those rings have to be tightened) Or......oh, that's enough for
now. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Jan 13, 2009, at 9:11 PM, Jim Crowder wrote:
> <jcrowder@lpbroadband.net>
>
> Good report Lynn. I look forward to hearing more.
>
> Jim Crowder
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| Subject: | Ski report...flying |
Making out of composite w/ vacuum bagging will give reproducible light
weight covers... but composites require sealing to keep them from absorbing
water. The first thing you will have to do is build a nice small autoclave
with vacuum outlets inside it.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ski report...flying
I think that I might be able to form a Baby Moon-type cover out of
aluminum or maybe this is a job for my "next-to-aquire" vacuum-
bagging skills and fiberglass. Maybe there's something out there that
I could adapt. I was thinking of using the wheel pant stand-off
because it's already there. One bolt would remove it, but it would be
stationary, and would have to clear the wheel. I'm not sure if this
would keep the snow out or not. Then there is the sprint car trick of
stuffing a foam donut into the wheel cavity to keep the dirt/mud out
of the wheel.
Hey, that fry pan lid mold idea sounds great...might give that a try.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 13, 2009, at 7:55 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Lynn,
>
> My old gone airplane had hubcaps. That is the only thing I still
> have as I found that they didn't measurably affect performance and
> they were just in the way when I needed to top up the air pressure
> so I took them off. I still have them if you want them. I
> attached them by gluing an aliminum flange over the wheel hub and
> putting three nutplates in the appropriate position around the
> hub. come to think of it, it was the flange that was a pain when
> trying to check pressures. If you want to make your own, I used
> one of my wife's frying pan lids as a female mold. A little bit of
> PVA release agent sprayed on them and presto a very nice moon type
> hubcap. My advice to those who's wife doesn't leave the house for
> days at a time for work, get permission or be real careful you
> don't get caught or you may get "the look" or worse.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ski report...flying
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| Subject: | Re: [!! SPAM] Re: Rotax powered Cessna |
Hey! That's been my answer. Problem around here is someone may actually try
to swipe the engine to put it in a snowmobile.
On one occasion I stopped a guy who was taking out his pocket knife to test
if the plane was actually covered with cloth.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:58 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: [!! SPAM] Re: Rotax powered Cessna
> WHAT? This is an OUTRAGE! EVERYBODY knows snowmobile engines work
> best in AIRPLANES!
When someone refers to my kitfox engine as a "Snowmobile engine" my come
back is: No, the snowmobile version of this engine has twice the horsepower
and costs 1/4th as much.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224643#224643
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| Subject: | Ski report...flying |
I thought you used a Mac....
The pics I wanted to see was the ski attach points behind the wheel. I have
to take my whells off to put the skis on. Did it once. It's quite a
process because the brakes have to be disassembled than everything has to be
re assembled. Changing out the axels (stubs) would be a lot easier and
faster. I was also wondering about putting a set of the narrow wheels on
the straight skis I now have. Of course then I would be flying without
brakes.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ski report...flying
I just drag them into the email and see how big the file is, then hit
"large", "medium", or "small" if they are too large. I also have Photoshop
Elements, but that's a longer process.
Which are the "ones"? ....both the axle, and the cable attach points?
The square block here bolts to the inside/backside of the Grove landing
gear. I'm not really sure what you wanted to see.
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| Subject: | RE: ICAO code for a Classic IV |
Trey Moran wrote:
> ICAO code would be FOX. See http://www.icao.int/anb/ais/8643/index.cfm
I can confirm that I flew across Europe in my model 3 with FOX as an ICAO code.
Indicentally, many years ago, I had a sailboat called Foxtrot. I couldn't change
her name, it was an old lady; gaff-rigged cutter built in 1936 in Falmouth,
registered in Lloyds. Anyway, sometimes I was asked to spell her name by a coast
station:
- "Foxtrot , os ..."
- "No, spell it, please!"
- "Well, Foxtr ... argh, forget it!"
... :-)
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 ... flying as PAX
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