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1. 01:37 AM - Re: 26 foot Clipped Wing Kitfox (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
2. 05:03 AM - Re: 6 gallon wing tanks enough (815TL)
3. 05:07 AM - Tail wheel (charles cook)
4. 05:10 AM - Re: 6 gallon wing tanks enough (John Ciolino)
5. 05:23 AM - Re: Tail wheel (Dee Young)
6. 05:43 AM - Re: Re: 6 gallon wing tanks enough (Bob Brennan)
7. 08:35 AM - Re: 6 gallon wing tanks enough (Lowell Fitt)
8. 08:37 AM - Re: 26 foot Clipped Wing Kitfox (Guy Buchanan)
9. 08:45 AM - Tail Wheel+spring (steve shinabery)
10. 10:40 AM - Fuel pickup mods (clemwehner)
11. 10:54 AM - Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to use (lowflyer)
12. 11:37 AM - Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to use (Lynn Matteson)
13. 11:47 AM - Re: Fuel pickup mods (Noel Loveys)
14. 01:01 PM - Re: Fuel pickup mods (Lynn Matteson)
15. 01:30 PM - Re: Fuel pickup mods (sbennett3)
16. 01:30 PM - Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to use (akflyer)
17. 01:49 PM - Re: Fuel pickup mods (Brian Morissette)
18. 02:22 PM - Re: Fuel pickup mods (Lowell Fitt)
19. 03:00 PM - Northstar fuel flow gauge (Catz631@aol.com)
20. 03:19 PM - Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to use (Lowell Fitt)
21. 04:33 PM - Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to use (kenharrison)
22. 05:52 PM - Re: Fuel pickup mods (Clint Bazzill)
23. 05:59 PM - posting pictures...test (Lynn Matteson)
24. 06:44 PM - Re: Northstar fuel flow gauge (akflyer)
25. 07:31 PM - Re: Northstar fuel flow gauge (Marco Menezes)
26. 08:51 PM - Re: Tail wheel (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
27. 08:53 PM - Re: 26 foot Clipped Wing Kitfox (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
28. 08:58 PM - Re: Fuel pickup mods (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Re: 26 foot Clipped Wing Kitfox |
On Thu, January 15, 2009 10:35 pm, av8rps wrote:
>
> ...... and made a new
> semi-symmetrical airfoil with only a 24 foot span. That was pretty short in
most
> peoples opinion, but overall still worked out ok. So I would think a 26 foot
Kitfox
> wing would still provide reasonable performance. I would realistically anticipate
a
> 3-400 fpm drop in climb, but a 15-20 mph increase in cruise over the standard
wing.
> At least that's my goal based on some initial calculations.
Here's what you're going to get for sure.
1) Higher wing loading per unit area. This will make it a little more resistant
to
being blown over when parked and it will provide a little smoother ride in rough
air.
2) Decidedly faster roll rate. This is something people desire for doing aerobatics.
3) Substantially increased stall speed and hence landing approach speed and lengthened
landing rollout and distance to liftoff.
I would not expect the maximum rate of climb to be drastically reduced. The max
climb
rate speed and the max angle speeds will change, both increasing with a shorter
wingspan. I would not expect any significant increase in cruise speed and in fact
it
might be lower.
You mention calculations. I'd like to see them. Especially how you arrived at a
higher
cruise speed for the same power setting.
You'll likely notice a bit of nose high attitude compared to the same loading
conditions with longer wings.
I would not do this modification unless it were specifically for increased roll
rate
that you would want for aerobatics. Of course the bird would fit in a smaller hangar,
ride a little smoother in bumpy air and be just a little less likely to act like
a
kite when tied down.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: 6 gallon wing tanks enough |
av8rps wrote:
> Hi Guys and Gals,
>
> I need some advice from the group;
>
> My second Model IV 912ul Kitfox project is underway, and I have a decision to
make; It only has two 6 gallon wing tanks and the plastic header tank behind
the seat. Before I get any heavier into this project I should probably decide
whether or not it is worth the effort to change out the 6 gallon wing tanks
to the 13's. So if anyone here on the list is operating a 912ul with the small
tanks, I'd really appreciate hearing your thoughts...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul S
Hey Paul, I suppose it depends on what you want to do. Are you looking to mainly
putter around your local area, or go on long hauls? Do you want to haul a
pasenger and extra cargo, or fuel?
My model II only has the single 9.75 Gallon tank behind the dash. That is only
about 2 hours of flying time. For a long haul, it is not enough, but for flying
around my local area it is fine. I would like to put an extra 6-13 gallon
tank in, but at this point it is more trouble than it is worth.
On a side note, this is what the previous owner of my plane did. I do not reccomend
it, but it was inventive at the least. He took a 6 gallon tank, and hooked
a small fule pump into it, and had a switch on the dash. He would strap it
in the passangers seat next to him. When the main tank would get low, he would
switch the pump on and fill it back up.
Not exactly my first choice for a re-fuel. :)
Andrew,
Kitfox II, 815TL, Rotax 582-C
Read this topic online here:
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I need to replace my single spring tail wheel.- Is there a big weight dif
ference in the 3 spring unit? Best place to buy?--
Charles Cook
N363KF -582
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| Subject: | Re: 6 gallon wing tanks enough |
Paul,
That configuration will allow you less than 1 1/2 hours flying time, if you
allow for the fuel reserve requirement and use a 5.0 gph fuel burn. (The
book calls for 4.9 gph at 5500 RPM; I use 5.0 for planning purposes.) The
912 does burn less fuel at lower RPM but if you are going cross country you
will probably use higher RPM.
You could change one tank to a 13 gal and keep 1 of the 6 gal which would
extend your range. If you do that, put the larger tank of the right side to
counterbalance your weight in the left pilot seat.
I have 2 13 gal tanks and would not consider anything less. That gives me
just under 4 hours flying time, a lot longer than my bladder will last.
Just my 2 cents.
John Ciolino
Model IV-1200
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From: "av8rps" <paul676@tds.net>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:41 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 6 gallon wing tanks enough
>
> Hi Guys and Gals,
>
> I need some advice from the group;
>
> My second Model IV 912ul Kitfox project is underway, and I have a decision
> to make; It only has two 6 gallon wing tanks and the plastic header tank
> behind the seat. Before I get any heavier into this project I should
> probably decide whether or not it is worth the effort to change out the 6
> gallon wing tanks to the 13's. So if anyone here on the list is operating
> a 912ul with the small tanks, I'd really appreciate hearing your
> thoughts...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul S
>
> --------
> Model IV-1200 912ul Amphib
> Avid Flyer
> Lake Amphibian
> Central Wisconsin
> paul676@tds.net
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225040#225040
>
>
>
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John and Debra at Kitfox can fix you up just fine.
----- Original Message -----
From: charles cook<mailto:cookflys@yahoo.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 6:07 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
I need to replace my single spring tail wheel. Is there a big
weight difference in the 3 spring unit? Best place to buy?
Charles Cook
N363KF 582
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| Subject: | Re: 6 gallon wing tanks enough |
Paul,
You can always put 6 gallons into the 13 gallon tanks but you can't put 13
gallons into 6! If you have the opportunity and don't mind the effort,
putting in the 13s covers all possible arguments on both sides with no
downside, unless I'm missing something here and I'm sure there are plenty of
listers more than happy to point out if I am... ;-)
Andrew - I have the 9.6 gallon main tank and 6 gallon reserve and have
thought of adding more. With the mogas situation I am thinking of at least
carrying 1 or 2 5 gallon Gerry cans with me on X-country and landing for a
re-fuel, but hadn't thought of the fuel pump idea. I like it. I know most
like to make bladder stops but I have flown 8 hour commercial flights many
times and rarely use the onboards, maybe I don't drink enough beer... Nope,
that can't be it.
One last thought, fully aware I take my life in my hands here, Paul - make
sure the tanks and lines you use are ethanol-safe when you install them
whatever you decide. And that's all I'm going to say about that!
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 815TL
Sent: 16 January 2009 8:03 am
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 6 gallon wing tanks enough
av8rps wrote:
> Hi Guys and Gals,
>
> I need some advice from the group;
>
> My second Model IV 912ul Kitfox project is underway, and I have a decision
to make; It only has two 6 gallon wing tanks and the plastic header tank
behind the seat. Before I get any heavier into this project I should
probably decide whether or not it is worth the effort to change out the 6
gallon wing tanks to the 13's. So if anyone here on the list is operating a
912ul with the small tanks, I'd really appreciate hearing your thoughts...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul S
Hey Paul, I suppose it depends on what you want to do. Are you looking to
mainly putter around your local area, or go on long hauls? Do you want to
haul a pasenger and extra cargo, or fuel?
My model II only has the single 9.75 Gallon tank behind the dash. That is
only about 2 hours of flying time. For a long haul, it is not enough, but
for flying around my local area it is fine. I would like to put an extra
6-13 gallon tank in, but at this point it is more trouble than it is worth.
On a side note, this is what the previous owner of my plane did. I do not
reccomend it, but it was inventive at the least. He took a 6 gallon tank,
and hooked a small fule pump into it, and had a switch on the dash. He
would strap it in the passangers seat next to him. When the main tank would
get low, he would switch the pump on and fill it back up.
Not exactly my first choice for a re-fuel. :)
Andrew,
Kitfox II, 815TL, Rotax 582-C
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225058#225058
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| Subject: | Re: 6 gallon wing tanks enough |
Paul,
>From your previous post, I would suspect that your anticipated increase in
cruise suggests you are planning on going someplace fast. Before I lost my
Model IV, I flew with a group of eight that included two Rans, an S-6 and an
S-7. We Kitfox pilots never had to worry about fuel, because it was the
Rans guys that needed to do all the planning - they carried 20 gallons and
it was good for just over three hours comfortably. One of the Rans guys is
in the middle of a new build and it is his plan to put a 4 gallon header
tank or aux tank low behind the seat.
If you have serious thoughts about going somewhere go for the big tanks,
especially if you are planning trips out west. We always thought that Rans
opted for the low tank capacity because they are from Kansas and there is an
airport about every twenty minutes or so out there. We here are not three
hours apart, but I would suspect that my long wing kitfox cruising at 90 mph
would beat your arrival at your 120 mph if you had to stop for gas every
couple of hours. This is unless you are an old guy like me and the fuel
endurance already exceeds bladder endurance.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "av8rps" <paul676@tds.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:41 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 6 gallon wing tanks enough
>
> Hi Guys and Gals,
>
> I need some advice from the group;
>
> My second Model IV 912ul Kitfox project is underway, and I have a decision
> to make; It only has two 6 gallon wing tanks and the plastic header tank
> behind the seat. Before I get any heavier into this project I should
> probably decide whether or not it is worth the effort to change out the 6
> gallon wing tanks to the 13's. So if anyone here on the list is operating
> a 912ul with the small tanks, I'd really appreciate hearing your
> thoughts...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul S
>
> --------
> Model IV-1200 912ul Amphib
> Avid Flyer
> Lake Amphibian
> Central Wisconsin
> paul676@tds.net
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225040#225040
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 26 foot Clipped Wing Kitfox |
At 10:35 PM 1/15/2009, you wrote:
>Anyone have any opinions on this? Also, I would love to see some
>construction photos of slide in wing extensions if anyone has done a
>speedster conversion from the long wing.
Paul,
I think it is a GREAT idea. But if you're going to go that
short, you might want to consider getting rid of the struts and
building a cantilever wing. That will save you a lot of drag. Or if
you go with a structural leading edge "D" section you could eliminate
one strut and dramatically increase the utility of vortex generators.
(They don't generally do much on our stock airfoil.) Or if you go
with the stock wing you could shorten the struts proportionally. That
would save some drag.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Tail Wheel+spring |
Att.Charles,,,It would be best to do new weight+Bal.when you change or
add,or change..this is what I did..and that there was a big change in
weight. On a norther note,,it has been to cold to add new heater,from
you as yet...BOY I sure could use it now in the KF .Steve Shinabery
N554KF KF2 St.Marys ohio
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| Subject: | Fuel pickup mods |
My KF-IV, 1991 vintage has the fuel pickups at the aft end of the tank.
Didn't Skystar have a mod to move the pickups forward to eliminate fuel
unporting during descent?
Was this a good idea and should I modify my tanks?
thanks,
Clem Wehner
KF-IV, 912
Lawton, OK
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| Subject: | Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to use |
Hi all,
I enjoy this list very much and think it is a great resource for builders and fliers
of the Kitfox and Avid aircraft. That being said I wish, or would like to
see more pictures, video(You tube) and stories pertaining to the utilization
of these great little airplanes.
Some of the members of this forum share a lot of their experiences, stories and
pictures for all of us to see. Hats off to you all for this. It is really great
stuff. I would like to see more of us doing this including myself. It would
be great to hear more on how pilots are using their aircraft. Whether they
are just out joy riding for fun or hauling a load of stuff out to a remote strip
for a day of camping and hunting. I've have seen a lot of pics of enlarged
baggage areas and wonder if anyone has loaded them to the brim with stuff. How
did it fly? How much stuff can you fit? Etc. etc... These stories, pictures
and video really inspire builders to complete their aircraft and also give current
fliers ideas on how they too can utilize there aircraft more and have a
lot of fun doing so.
I really like the pics from Leonard "akflyer". They truly give the Kitfox the Bush-plane
theme and utility. Same with Lynn Matteson and his Ski reports. There
are many more. Great job guys. Keep it coming.
I'm planning on a spring fishing trip to Gaston's White River resort in the Ozarks
in northern AR. The website is:
http://www.gastons.com/airstrip.php
Anyway, I will being flying from St. Louis, MO. Should be a great time. I will
definitely post pictures and document the fun afterwords for all to enjoy.
Thanks to all.
Chris...
Chris Budd
N53RJ
Kitfox IV Speedster
VW 2180 230hrs
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225139#225139
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| Subject: | Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to |
use
Sounds great, Chris...how's the V-dub haul the IV around?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 16, 2009, at 1:53 PM, lowflyer wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I enjoy this list very much and think it is a great resource for
> builders and fliers of the Kitfox and Avid aircraft. That being
> said I wish, or would like to see more pictures, video(You tube)
> and stories pertaining to the utilization of these great little
> airplanes.
>
> Some of the members of this forum share a lot of their experiences,
> stories and pictures for all of us to see. Hats off to you all for
> this. It is really great stuff. I would like to see more of us
> doing this including myself. It would be great to hear more on how
> pilots are using their aircraft. Whether they are just out joy
> riding for fun or hauling a load of stuff out to a remote strip for
> a day of camping and hunting. I've have seen a lot of pics of
> enlarged baggage areas and wonder if anyone has loaded them to the
> brim with stuff. How did it fly? How much stuff can you fit? Etc.
> etc... These stories, pictures and video really inspire builders
> to complete their aircraft and also give current fliers ideas on
> how they too can utilize there aircraft more and have a lot of fun
> doing so.
>
> I really like the pics from Leonard "akflyer". They truly give the
> Kitfox the Bush-plane theme and utility. Same with Lynn Matteson
> and his Ski reports. There are many more. Great job guys. Keep it
> coming.
>
> I'm planning on a spring fishing trip to Gaston's White River
> resort in the Ozarks in northern AR. The website is:
> http://www.gastons.com/airstrip.php
>
> Anyway, I will being flying from St. Louis, MO. Should be a great
> time. I will definitely post pictures and document the fun
> afterwords for all to enjoy.
>
>
> Thanks to all.
>
> Chris...
>
> Chris Budd
> N53RJ
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> VW 2180 230hrs
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225139#225139
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel pickup mods |
My plane has a header tank that will take care of the engines needs for
around 20 min.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of clemwehner
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:08 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel pickup mods
My KF-IV, 1991 vintage has the fuel pickups at the aft end of the tank.
Didn't Skystar have a mod to move the pickups forward to eliminate fuel
unporting during descent?
Was this a good idea and should I modify my tanks?
thanks,
Clem Wehner
KF-IV, 912
Lawton, OK
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pickup mods |
So's mine....I figure 15 minutes to be safe, though....in fact while
descending into my flight instructors' place yesterday the low fuel
came on, and I pointed the nose level, banked to the left a bit, did
a little circle to line up with the runway, and the light went off,
telling me I had a t least 15 minutes left. I put in 10 gallons and
went home. I knew I was getting low, but kept it purposely low to
enable lifting the tail during the recent ski cable rigging
procedure, and was having so much fun with the skis I just plain
forgot to fuel up. I seem to be reporting a lot of these "low fuel
antics" but I maintain that knowing how to get out of the predicament
is first and foremost. Secondary is scolding myself for doing it
again and again. : (
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Jan 16, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> My plane has a header tank that will take care of the engines needs
> for around 20 min.
>
>
> Noel
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of clemwehner
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:08 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel pickup mods
>
>
> My KF-IV, 1991 vintage has the fuel pickups at the aft end of the
> tank. Didn't Skystar have a mod to move the pickups forward to
> eliminate fuel unporting during descent?
>
> Was this a good idea and should I modify my tanks?
>
>
> thanks,
>
>
> Clem Wehner
>
> KF-IV, 912
>
> Lawton, OK
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pickup mods |
I have 27.5 usable on my fox. 13-13-1.5 header. I have completed a cross country
at a comfortable cruise (5000rpm rotax 912) I flew that plane for 6 hrs strait
from Northern Penn. to North Carolina. I had 9 gallons of fuel when I touched
down. I was amazed with the fuel burn at a slower cruise rpm. I still get
a laugh when I see "The only time I don't want my tanks full is when i'm on
fire". Every time I launch my plane, my tanks are full. It also seems to handle
the bumps in midday flying better being a little heavy. Also less chance of
picking up moisture when you keep you tanks full. Steve Bennett North Carolina
KF4-912 classic speedster
In a message dated 01/16/09 16:02:43 Eastern Standard Time, lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
So's mine....I figure 15 minutes to be safe, though....in fact while
descending into my flight instructors' place yesterday the low fuel
came on, and I pointed the nose level, banked to the left a bit, did
a little circle to line up with the runway, and the light went off,
telling me I had a t least 15 minutes left. I put in 10 gallons and
went home. I knew I was getting low, but kept it purposely low to
enable lifting the tail during the recent ski cable rigging
procedure, and was having so much fun with the skis I just plain
forgot to fuel up. I seem to be reporting a lot of these "low fuel
antics" but I maintain that knowing how to get out of the predicament
is first and foremost. Secondary is scolding myself for doing it
again and again. : (
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Jan 16, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> My plane has a header tank that will take care of the engines needs
> for around 20 min.
>
>
>
> Noel
>
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of clemwehner
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:08 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel pickup mods
>
>
>
> My KF-IV, 1991 vintage has the fuel pickups at the aft end of the
> tank. Didn't Skystar have a mod to move the pickups forward to
> eliminate fuel unporting during descent?
>
> Was this a good idea and should I modify my tanks?
>
>
>
>
>
> thanks,
>
>
>
> Clem Wehner
>
> KF-IV, 912
>
> Lawton, OK
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listhttp://
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lowflyer wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I enjoy this list very much and think it is a great resource for builders and
fliers of the Kitfox and Avid aircraft. That being said I wish, or would like
to see more pictures, video(You tube) and stories pertaining to the utilization
of these great little airplanes.
>
> Some of the members of this forum share a lot of their experiences, stories and
pictures for all of us to see. Hats off to you all for this. It is really
great stuff. I would like to see more of us doing this including myself. It would
be great to hear more on how pilots are using their aircraft. Whether they
are just out joy riding for fun or hauling a load of stuff out to a remote strip
for a day of camping and hunting. I've have seen a lot of pics of enlarged
baggage areas and wonder if anyone has loaded them to the brim with stuff.
How did it fly? How much stuff can you fit? Etc. etc... These stories, pictures
and video really inspire builders to complete their aircraft and also give
current fliers ideas on how they too can utilize there aircraft more and have
a lot of fun doing so.
>
> I really like the pics from Leonard "akflyer". They truly give the Kitfox the
Bush-plane theme and utility. Same with Lynn Matteson and his Ski reports.
There are many more. Great job guys. Keep it coming.
>
> I'm planning on a spring fishing trip to Gaston's White River resort in the Ozarks
in northern AR. The website is:
> http://www.gastons.com/airstrip.php
>
> Anyway, I will being flying from St. Louis, MO. Should be a great time. I will
definitely post pictures and document the fun afterwords for all to enjoy.
>
>
> Thanks to all.
>
> Chris...
>
> Chris Budd
> N53RJ
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> VW 2180 230hrs
Please be very careful. There is a sign at the top of the forum that says DO
NOT FEED THE MONKEY.
--------
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Fuel pickup mods |
Hi Guys
I am in the process of building a speedster with a 912 and was wondering
what cruise speed I can expect at different rpms. I'll be installing a IFA
Ivo so I will be able to play with the pitch.
thanks
Brian
_____
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sbennett3
Sent: January 16, 2009 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel pickup mods
I have 27.5 usable on my fox. 13-13-1.5 header. I have completed a cross
country at a comfortable cruise (5000rpm rotax 912) I flew that plane for 6
hrs strait from Northern Penn. to North Carolina. I had 9 gallons of fuel
when I touched down. I was amazed with the fuel burn at a slower cruise rpm.
I still get a laugh when I see "The only time I don't want my tanks full is
when i'm on fire". Every time I launch my plane, my tanks are full. It also
seems to handle the bumps in midday flying better being a little heavy.
Also less chance of picking up moisture when you keep you tanks full. Steve
Bennett North Carolina KF4-912 classic speedster
In a message dated 01/16/09 16:02:43 Eastern Standard Time, lynnmatt@jps.net
writes:
So's mine....I figure 15 minutes to be safe, though....in fact while
descending into my flight instructors' place yesterday the low fuel
came on, and I pointed the nose level, banked to the left a bit, did
a little circle to line up with the runway, and the light went off,
telling me I had a t least 15 minutes left. I put in 10 gallons and
went home. I knew I was getting low, but kept it purposely low to
enable lifting the tail during the recent ski cable rigging
procedure, and was having so much fun with the skis I just plain
forgot to fuel up. I seem to be reporting a lot of these "low fuel
antics" but I maintain that knowing how to get out of the predicament
is first and foremost. Secondary is scolding myself for doing it
again and again. : (
Lynn Matteson
Ki tfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Jan 16, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> My plane has a header tank that will take care of the engines needs
> for around 20 min.
>
>
>
> Noel
>
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of clemwehner
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:08 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel pickup mods
>
>
>
> My KF-IV, 1991 vintage has the fuel pickups at the aft end of the
> tank. Didn't Skystar have a mod to move the pickups forward to
> eliminate fuel unporting during descent?
>
> Was this a good idea and should I modi f y my tanks?
>
>
>
>
>
> t
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Clem,
My first Mod IV has pick-ups as you describe and my new build will have the
same. I flew often on cross countrys with the guys and sometimes solo and
never felt the need to change. I did have the light come on once after a
non stop from the factory area in Idaho to home in California. It happened
on the long 400 fpm descent from the crest of the Sierras to my home in the
foothills, a descent of about 30 minutes. I knew I had at least six
gallons - quite accurate markings on the sight gauges - so leveling for a
while to refill the header was no problem. With no boss where at the new
location, drilling and tapping at the location, mess clean-up and resin
bonding issues, for me it would not be worth the effort.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
Almost ready to cover left wing and fuselage.
----- Original Message -----
From: "clemwehner" <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:38 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel pickup mods
> My KF-IV, 1991 vintage has the fuel pickups at the aft end of the tank.
> Didn't Skystar have a mod to move the pickups forward to eliminate fuel
> unporting during descent?
> Was this a good idea and should I modify my tanks?
>
>
> thanks,
>
> Clem Wehner
> KF-IV, 912
> Lawton, OK
>
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| Subject: | Northstar fuel flow gauge |
I received my gauge today (fast service) from Boatersworld. After reading
through the instructions I have a questionfrom those of you using this fuel flow
gauge.The instructions say to mount the sender in a vertical position. The
most logical position for my engine installation would be right after the
gascolater which is on the bottom right hand corner of the firewall. From that
point
the gas line goes vertical and then across the engine to the fuel pump(912UL)
I could cut the line and install the sender above the gascolater however, the
instructions also say to not install it where heat or vibration is a problem.
There is heat and vibration in the engine compartment certainly, but what is
too much heat/vibration. It is reasonably far from the muffler. Has anyone
installed the sender in this area? I don't have room under my header tank for the
installation (as one member has done) unless I completely modify the existing
plumbing which would be a fair amount of work. The only other way I could
install it is to have it horizontal in the cabin by the floor.
Thanks
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200,912UL
Pensacola,Fl
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Chris,
I put a few videos into a webpage and one long story about a flying trip.
The webpage videos were to be added to weekly, but the last entry was the
day before my Model IV was destroyed in a forced landing a bit over a year
ago. I have plans to begin updating the videos gain, but have been
discouraged by time constraints and some fear that I forgot how to do it.
http://highwingllc.com/videoarchive.html
The next link is the old Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in and BBQ site which I
suspect will disappear when the next bill comes from the hosting company.
Our safety first or it's someone elses fault, society, thanks in part to
California's trial lawyers, made the fly-in a fond memory. The second
page, though is the Idaho trip. Short videos, but mostly pictures.
http://www.cameronparkkitfox.com/
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
Just about ready to cover fuselage and left wing.
----- Original Message -----
From: "lowflyer" <buddcr@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:53 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to
use
>
> Hi all,
>
> I enjoy this list very much and think it is a great resource for builders
> and fliers of the Kitfox and Avid aircraft. That being said I wish, or
> would like to see more pictures, video(You tube) and stories pertaining to
> the utilization of these great little airplanes.
>
> Some of the members of this forum share a lot of their experiences,
> stories and pictures for all of us to see. Hats off to you all for this.
> It is really great stuff. I would like to see more of us doing this
> including myself. It would be great to hear more on how pilots are using
> their aircraft. Whether they are just out joy riding for fun or hauling a
> load of stuff out to a remote strip for a day of camping and hunting.
> I've have seen a lot of pics of enlarged baggage areas and wonder if
> anyone has loaded them to the brim with stuff. How did it fly? How much
> stuff can you fit? Etc. etc... These stories, pictures and video really
> inspire builders to complete their aircraft and also give current fliers
> ideas on how they too can utilize there aircraft more and have a lot of
> fun doing so.
>
> I really like the pics from Leonard "akflyer". They truly give the Kitfox
> the Bush-plane theme and utility. Same with Lynn Matteson and his Ski
> reports. There are many more. Great job guys. Keep it coming.
>
> I'm planning on a spring fishing trip to Gaston's White River resort in
> the Ozarks in northern AR. The website is:
> http://www.gastons.com/airstrip.php
>
> Anyway, I will being flying from St. Louis, MO. Should be a great time. I
> will definitely post pictures and document the fun afterwords for all to
> enjoy.
>
>
> Thanks to all.
>
> Chris...
>
> Chris Budd
> N53RJ
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> VW 2180 230hrs
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225139#225139
>
>
>
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OK, I'll bite...
I own a small remodeling company. Most of our work is in Charlotte, NC which is
about 45 min drive from home. Last Friday, it was payday, and the only reason
I needed to go to the jobsite was to distribute paychecks. So I jumped in
the Kitfox and flew to the jobsite. Still took me about 45 min cause I wanted
to prolong the delivery. Then I circled a couple times to get my crew's attention,
and made a low pass, dropping the paychecks in a bright orange bag. It
was also a very long wandering flight back to the office. It's a tough job.
Sorry but no pictures of the flight.
One other thing I do regularly is take aerial photos of my completed projects and
present them to my clients upon final payment. It's a unique addition benefit
that some people really value.
Now I wonder if Uncle Sam will let me deduct the expenses.......
lowflyer wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I enjoy this list very much and think it is a great resource for builders and
fliers of the Kitfox and Avid aircraft. That being said I wish, or would like
to see more pictures, video(You tube) and stories pertaining to the utilization
of these great little airplanes.
>
> Some of the members of this forum share a lot of their experiences, stories and
pictures for all of us to see. Hats off to you all for this. It is really
great stuff. I would like to see more of us doing this including myself. It would
be great to hear more on how pilots are using their aircraft. Whether they
are just out joy riding for fun or hauling a load of stuff out to a remote strip
for a day of camping and hunting. I've have seen a lot of pics of enlarged
baggage areas and wonder if anyone has loaded them to the brim with stuff.
How did it fly? How much stuff can you fit? Etc. etc... These stories, pictures
and video really inspire builders to complete their aircraft and also give
current fliers ideas on how they too can utilize there aircraft more and have
a lot of fun doing so.
>
> I really like the pics from Leonard "akflyer". They truly give the Kitfox the
Bush-plane theme and utility. Same with Lynn Matteson and his Ski reports.
There are many more. Great job guys. Keep it coming.
>
> I'm planning on a spring fishing trip to Gaston's White River resort in the Ozarks
in northern AR. The website is:
> http://www.gastons.com/airstrip.php
>
> Anyway, I will being flying from St. Louis, MO. Should be a great time. I will
definitely post pictures and document the fun afterwords for all to enjoy.
>
>
> Thanks to all.
>
> Chris...
>
> Chris Budd
> N53RJ
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> VW 2180 230hrs
--------
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Kitfox III
Rotax 582 C Box
Powerfin 3-Blade
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| Subject: | Fuel pickup mods |
I am going to add a little to Lowell's reply. I have Williams low fuel war
ning in my aircraft also. I had the light go on a number of times when let
ting down. It does get your attention. What I do is pick the nose up=2C d
o a high wing up and let the header fill. The test I did over Half Moon Ba
y airport about 8 months ago went like this. I climbed over the airport to
3500 feet. Shut off fuel to both tanks=2C had power setting at 24 inches
Manifold Pressure=2C 5100 RPM's. Engine shut down and prop stopped 21 minu
tesand 40 seconds later. A 912 ULS will not air start=2C so fuel went back
on and engine started in about 4 or 5 seconds with starter.
Clint=2C lots of time with 912 ULS.> From: lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> To: kitfox
-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel pickup mods> Date: Fri
l Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>> > Clem=2C> > My first Mod IV has pick-ups a
s you describe and my new build will have the > same. I flew often on cross
countrys with the guys and sometimes solo and > never felt the need to cha
nge. I did have the light come on once after a > non stop from the factory
area in Idaho to home in California. It happened > on the long 400 fpm desc
ent from the crest of the Sierras to my home in the > foothills=2C a descen
t of about 30 minutes. I knew I had at least six > gallons - quite accurate
markings on the sight gauges - so leveling for a > while to refill the hea
der was no problem. With no boss where at the new > location=2C drilling an
d tapping at the location=2C mess clean-up and resin > bonding issues=2C fo
r me it would not be worth the effort.> > Lowell Fitt> Cameron Park=2C CA>
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL> Almost ready to cover left wing and fuselage.> ----
- Original Message ----- > From: "clemwehner" <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>> T
o: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>> Sent: Friday=2C January 16=2C 2009 10:38 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel pickup mods> > > > My KF-IV=2C 1991 vintage ha
s the fuel pickups at the aft end of the tank.> > Didn't Skystar have a mod
to move the pickups forward to eliminate fuel> > unporting during descent?
> > Was this a good idea and should I modify my tanks?> >> >> > thanks=2C>
=======> > >
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| Subject: | posting pictures...test |
I just made a test posting of a ski picture. I think I called it
"test of posting...." so as to see if it posts ok (I changed the name
a bit from this subject name)
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
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horizontal on the cabin floor will be fine as long as it is not in a place you
will be kicking it all the time.
--------
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Northstar fuel flow gauge |
Dick,
-
I have mine installed vertically, just upstream of the fuel pump,-well aw
ay from exhaust. No problems with heat or vibration in 2 years of flying. B
ut then, I've never had an engine fire either.
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Catz631@aol.com <Catz631@aol.com> wrote:
From: Catz631@aol.com <Catz631@aol.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Northstar fuel flow gauge
I received my gauge today (fast service) from Boatersworld. After reading t
hrough the instructions I have a questionfrom those of you using this fuel
flow gauge.The instructions-say to mount the sender in a vertical positio
n. The most logical position-for my engine installation would be right af
ter the gascolater which is on the bottom right hand corner of the firewall
. From that point the gas line goes vertical and then across the engine to
the fuel pump(912UL) I could cut the line and install the sender-above th
e gascolater-however, the instructions also-say to not install it-whe
re heat or vibration is a problem. There is heat and vibration in the engin
e compartment certainly,-but-what is too -much heat/vibration. It is
reasonably far from the muffler. Has anyone installed the sender in this ar
ea? I don't have room under my header tank for the installation (as one mem
ber has done) unless I completely modify the existing plumbing which would
be
a fair amount of work. The only other way I could install it is to have it
horizontal in the cabin by the floor.
-------- Thanks
-------------------------
-------------------------
-------------------------
-------------------- Dick Maddux
-------------------------
-------------------------
-------------------------
-------------------- Fox 4-1200,912
UL
-------------------------
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-------------------------
-------------------- Pensacola,Fl
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Charles
I just replaced my tail spring with the Kitfox 3 spring unit from John
McBean.
I ended up only using the two large springs as the third made it a very
rigid assy. I am not that happy with the new springs as they don't have
the reflex bend at the end (My old ones had a slight upward sweep at the
end to orientate the spindle of the Maule assy perpendicular to the
ground).
The new one makes the spindle lay back at about 70 deg and this makes the
assy unlatch extremely easily. In fact the once the assy unlatches the
wheel wants to completely swing around.
Anybody else find this (Lynn?)
Regards
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: 26 foot Clipped Wing Kitfox |
I have a set of wing extensions for my Classic 4. It has most of the
speedster mods and I never use the extensions.
If you wanted to experiment with them I would be prepared to sell them.
They are in n excellent cond if you are interested
Gary
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On Thu, January 15, 2009 10:35 pm, av8rps wrote:
>
> ...... and made a new
> semi-symmetrical airfoil with only a 24 foot span. That was pretty
short in most
> peoples opinion, but overall still worked out ok. So I would think a 26
foot Kitfox
> wing would still provide reasonable performance. I would realistically
anticipate a
> 3-400 fpm drop in climb, but a 15-20 mph increase in cruise over the
standard wing.
> At least that's my goal based on some initial calculations.
Here's what you're going to get for sure.
1) Higher wing loading per unit area. This will make it a little more
resistant to
being blown over when parked and it will provide a little smoother ride in
rough air.
2) Decidedly faster roll rate. This is something people desire for doing
aerobatics.
3) Substantially increased stall speed and hence landing approach speed
and lengthened
landing rollout and distance to liftoff.
I would not expect the maximum rate of climb to be drastically reduced.
The max climb
rate speed and the max angle speeds will change, both increasing with a
shorter
wingspan. I would not expect any significant increase in cruise speed and
in fact it
might be lower.
You mention calculations. I'd like to see them. Especially how you arrived
at a higher
cruise speed for the same power setting.
You'll likely notice a bit of nose high attitude compared to the same
loading
conditions with longer wings.
I would not do this modification unless it were specifically for increased
roll rate
that you would want for aerobatics. Of course the bird would fit in a
smaller hangar,
ride a little smoother in bumpy air and be just a little less likely to
act like a
kite when tied down.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pickup mods |
At 10:38 AM 1/16/2009, you wrote:
>Was this a good idea and should I modify my tanks?
I wouldn't do it unless the tanks had a significant sump. I don't
find it a problem to re-fill the header every now and then on
descent. Besides, it's the only way to check that my low-fuel light
is working. (Too lazy to put in a test circuit.)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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