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1. 02:18 AM - Re: Tail wheel (Lynn Matteson)
2. 04:49 AM - Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to use (fox5flyer)
3. 05:28 AM - Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to use (Catz631@aol.com)
4. 05:53 AM - Re: Tail wheel (Catz631@aol.com)
5. 06:11 AM - Re: Tail wheel (Noel Loveys)
6. 06:31 AM - Re: Tail wheel (fox5flyer)
7. 06:37 AM - Re: Tail wheel (Lowell Fitt)
8. 06:51 AM - Re: Tail wheel (steve shinabery)
9. 07:14 AM - Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to use (Tom Jones)
10. 08:29 AM - Re: engine mount (patrick reilly)
11. 08:59 AM - Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to use (Lynn Matteson)
12. 09:04 AM - Re: Tail wheel (Lynn Matteson)
13. 10:40 AM - Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to use (john taylor)
14. 11:07 AM - Re: Tail wheel (Lowell Fitt)
15. 11:25 AM - turtle deck tab broke off (rudderdancer)
16. 11:34 AM - Re: Tail wheel (Noel Loveys)
17. 11:41 AM - Re: Tail wheel (Larry Huntley)
18. 11:51 AM - Re: Tail wheel (jdmcbean)
19. 11:51 AM - Re: Tail wheel (jdmcbean)
20. 12:30 PM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 01/15/09 (Mark Donahue)
21. 12:56 PM - Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to use (Lynn Matteson)
22. 01:02 PM - Re: Tail wheel (Lynn Matteson)
23. 01:18 PM - Re: Tail wheel (Lynn Matteson)
24. 01:37 PM - Re: turtle deck tab broke off (akflyer)
25. 02:07 PM - Re: Re: turtle deck tab broke off (jeff puls)
26. 02:10 PM - Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to use (akflyer)
27. 02:12 PM - Re: turtle deck tab broke off (akflyer)
28. 02:17 PM - Re: Tail wheel (Noel Loveys)
29. 02:51 PM - Re: turtle deck tab broke off (Dee Young)
30. 03:17 PM - Landing gear in correct position??? (Francisco Drovetta)
31. 03:31 PM - Re: Tail wheel (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
32. 04:08 PM - Re: Tail wheel (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
33. 04:14 PM - Re: Tail wheel (Lynn Matteson)
34. 04:28 PM - Re: Tail wheel (Lowell Fitt)
35. 04:28 PM - Re: Landing gear in correct position??? (Clint Bazzill)
36. 04:47 PM - Re: Landing gear in correct position??? (Francisco Drovetta)
37. 04:51 PM - Re: Landing gear in correct position??? (Lynn Matteson)
38. 05:01 PM - Re: Tail wheel (Clint Bazzill)
39. 05:01 PM - Re: Landing gear in correct position??? (Clint Bazzill)
40. 05:14 PM - Re: Tail wheel (Lynn Matteson)
41. 05:20 PM - Re: Landing gear in correct position??? (Lynn Matteson)
42. 05:59 PM - Re: Landing gear in correct position??? (Tom Jones)
43. 05:59 PM - Re: Tail wheel (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
44. 06:59 PM - LAT Flying through Canada (Noel Loveys)
45. 07:04 PM - Re: Tail wheel (Lynn Matteson)
46. 07:08 PM - Re: Tail wheel (Noel Loveys)
47. 07:09 PM - Re: Tail wheel (Noel Loveys)
48. 07:18 PM - 912S Ignition Wiring Question (CDE2fly@aol.com)
49. 07:32 PM - Re: LAT Flying through Canada (Lynn Matteson)
50. 08:29 PM - Re: Tail wheel (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
51. 08:53 PM - Re: Landing gear in correct position??? (Zimmermans)
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I haven't had any problem, but we don't know whether or not the shape
of mine is the same shape as yours...vendors often change things for
one reason or another. Here's a shot of mine...the triple-leaf McBean
spring. Notice how an imaginary line projected down through the
centerline of the spindle would hit the ground just ahead of the
contact point of the tire/wheel. This is so the wheel will castor
correctly, and mine does.
Gary, are you saying that your spindle projection points behind the
tire contact point? Or at it? Either case would cause what your
saying, I think.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 16, 2009, at 11:50 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Charles
>
> I just replaced my tail spring with the Kitfox 3 spring unit from
> John McBean.
>
> I ended up only using the two large springs as the third made it a
> very rigid assy. I am not that happy with the new springs as they
> don't have the reflex bend at the end (My old ones had a slight
> upward sweep at the end to orientate the spindle of the Maule assy
> perpendicular to the ground).
>
> The new one makes the spindle lay back at about 70 deg and this
> makes the assy unlatch extremely easily. In fact the once the assy
> unlatches the wheel wants to completely swing around.
>
> Anybody else find this (Lynn?)
>
> Regards
>
> Gary
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Great stuff, Lowell. Thanks.
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put
to use
>
> Chris,
>
> I put a few videos into a webpage and one long story about a flying trip.
> The webpage videos were to be added to weekly, but the last entry was the
> day before my Model IV was destroyed in a forced landing a bit over a year
> ago. I have plans to begin updating the videos gain, but have been
> discouraged by time constraints and some fear that I forgot how to do it.
>
> http://highwingllc.com/videoarchive.html
>
> The next link is the old Cameron Park Kitfox Fly-in and BBQ site which I
> suspect will disappear when the next bill comes from the hosting company.
> Our safety first or it's someone elses fault, society, thanks in part to
> California's trial lawyers, made the fly-in a fond memory. The second
> page, though is the Idaho trip. Short videos, but mostly pictures.
>
> http://www.cameronparkkitfox.com/
>
> Lowell Fitt
> Cameron Park, CA
> Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
> Just about ready to cover fuselage and left wing.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lowflyer" <buddcr@yahoo.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:53 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to
> use
>
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I enjoy this list very much and think it is a great resource for builders
>> and fliers of the Kitfox and Avid aircraft. That being said I wish, or
>> would like to see more pictures, video(You tube) and stories pertaining
>> to the utilization of these great little airplanes.
>>
>> Some of the members of this forum share a lot of their experiences,
>> stories and pictures for all of us to see. Hats off to you all for this.
>> It is really great stuff. I would like to see more of us doing this
>> including myself. It would be great to hear more on how pilots are using
>> their aircraft. Whether they are just out joy riding for fun or hauling a
>> load of stuff out to a remote strip for a day of camping and hunting.
>> I've have seen a lot of pics of enlarged baggage areas and wonder if
>> anyone has loaded them to the brim with stuff. How did it fly? How much
>> stuff can you fit? Etc. etc... These stories, pictures and video really
>> inspire builders to complete their aircraft and also give current fliers
>> ideas on how they too can utilize there aircraft more and have a lot of
>> fun doing so.
>>
>> I really like the pics from Leonard "akflyer". They truly give the Kitfox
>> the Bush-plane theme and utility. Same with Lynn Matteson and his Ski
>> reports. There are many more. Great job guys. Keep it coming.
>>
>> I'm planning on a spring fishing trip to Gaston's White River resort in
>> the Ozarks in northern AR. The website is:
>> http://www.gastons.com/airstrip.php
>>
>> Anyway, I will being flying from St. Louis, MO. Should be a great time. I
>> will definitely post pictures and document the fun afterwords for all to
>> enjoy.
>>
>>
>> Thanks to all.
>>
>> Chris...
>>
>> Chris Budd
>> N53RJ
>> Kitfox IV Speedster
>> VW 2180 230hrs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225139#225139
>>
>>
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>>
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| Subject: | Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to |
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Chris,
You are right on the money! I too enjoy all the pictures and stories! That's
what flying is all about !! Kudo's to Leonard for his fabulous Alaska
pictures. I am so envious of you living in Alaska (summer anyway) Wish I had
someplace cool to fly. All I have down here is flat. Oh well, at least the doughnuts
are good at local airports. I guess I could go over and look at the spot were
that Piper Meridian crashed after he bailed out of his airplane. The airplane
crashed less than 5 miles from my house and the racket those F-15's were making
in the middle of the night while tracking the plane!
Lynn, Your pictures are great also! I haven't yet figured out what snow
skis are though.
Keep them coming!
Dick Maddux
Pensacola,Fl (actually
Milton,Fl)
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Charles,
I have the same problem with my tailwheel unlocking but I didn't attribute
it to the angle of the spring until you mentioned it. I have to make very wide
turns or the Maule tailwheel will unlock and around the tail goes ! It is a
pain in the %$#& ! It is no problem on a hard surface but on grass it isn't
much fun.
Dick Maddux
Pensacola,Fl
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I guess you have two choices... If there is a spring works near you get
them to put the recurve into the spring. Or you can make a bracket to bolt
to the end of the spring and then bolt your tail wheel to it. The bracket
will be unsprung weight so it wont put unnecessary loads on the spring. It
will allow your tail wheel to extend back a few inches.
Noel
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Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
Charles
I just replaced my tail spring with the Kitfox 3 spring unit from John
McBean.
I ended up only using the two large springs as the third made it a very
rigid assy. I am not that happy with the new springs as they don't have the
reflex bend at the end (My old ones had a slight upward sweep at the end to
orientate the spindle of the Maule assy perpendicular to the ground).
The new one makes the spindle lay back at about 70 deg and this makes the
assy unlatch extremely easily. In fact the once the assy unlatches the wheel
wants to completely swing around.
Anybody else find this (Lynn?)
Regards
Gary
Gary Algate
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I need to replace my single spring tail wheel. Is there a big weight
difference in the 3 spring unit? Best place to buy?
Charles Cook
N363KF 582
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One of the things you need to remember about the Maule mechanicals is
that, because of the way the cam action works, the looser the steering
springs the easier it will break loose. Keep the slack out of them,
they don't break loose so easily, and they're much easier to manage. I
don't believe that the angle of the leaf springs has anything to do with
the breakout. However, they can definitely be a factor on shimmy
problems.
Of course, my opinion only. Tailwheels and their setup is a personal
preference and there is probably no "right way".
Good luck.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
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Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
Charles,
I have the same problem with my tailwheel unlocking but I didn't
attribute it to the angle of the spring until you mentioned it. I have
to make very wide turns or the Maule tailwheel will unlock and around
the tail goes ! It is a pain in the %$#& ! It is no problem on a hard
surface but on grass it isn't much fun.
Dick Maddux
Pensacola,Fl
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Wow,
That three leaf spring looks like a lot of beef to support the 45 lbs.
typical on a Model IV or lighter, I presume, on earlier models. I suspect,
I would eliminate the third spring which doesn't add strength where the
typical break is but rather just adds stiffness which I doubt is necessary
for a IV or earlier. What kind of weight is on the tailwheel of a big
Kitfox?
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
Just about ready to cover fuselage and left wing.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
>I haven't had any problem, but we don't know whether or not the shape
> of mine is the same shape as yours...vendors often change things for
> one reason or another. Here's a shot of mine...the triple-leaf McBean
> spring. Notice how an imaginary line projected down through the
> centerline of the spindle would hit the ground just ahead of the
> contact point of the tire/wheel. This is so the wheel will castor
> correctly, and mine does.
>
> Gary, are you saying that your spindle projection points behind the
> tire contact point? Or at it? Either case would cause what your
> saying, I think.
>
>
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>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2009, at 11:50 PM, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Charles
>>
>> I just replaced my tail spring with the Kitfox 3 spring unit from
>> John McBean.
>>
>> I ended up only using the two large springs as the third made it a
>> very rigid assy. I am not that happy with the new springs as they
>> don't have the reflex bend at the end (My old ones had a slight
>> upward sweep at the end to orientate the spindle of the Maule assy
>> perpendicular to the ground).
>>
>> The new one makes the spindle lay back at about 70 deg and this
>> makes the assy unlatch extremely easily. In fact the once the assy
>> unlatches the wheel wants to completely swing around.
>>
>> Anybody else find this (Lynn?)
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Gary
>
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gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote:
>
> Charles
>
> I just replaced my tail spring with the Kitfox 3 spring unit from John
> McBean.
>
> I ended up only using the two large springs as the third made it a
> very rigid assy. I am not that happy with the new springs as they
> don't have the reflex bend at the end (My old ones had a slight upward
> sweep at the end to orientate the spindle of the Maule assy
> perpendicular to the ground).
>
> The new one makes the spindle lay back at about 70 deg and this makes
> the assy unlatch extremely easily. In fact the once the assy unlatches
> the wheel wants to completely swing around.
>
> Anybody else find this (Lynn?)
>
> Regards
>
> Gary
>
> Gary Algate
> Classic 4 Jab 2200
> Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
>
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That is what I to found out about my tail wheel..I put it together there
way.And I could not control KF2 on the ground..it would go around and
around.I could not do any thing about it..So I had to reshape the
springs with a press..And to my like it work out fine..Steve Shinabery
N554KF KF2 St.Marys Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to |
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Two days ago I went for a 1.1 hour test flight around the Kittitas valley after
putting my engine back together.
Flying in January in Eastern Washington is usually limited for me do to fog in
the valley. For that reason, a couple weeks ago I was going to "Fog" the engine
crankcase in my kitfox so it could sit without being run for the next month
or so and not rust.
The fogging oil can has a plastic extension tube like a lot of spray lubricant
cans have. The intake manifolds on a two stroke engine dump the fuel and air directly
into the crankcase. The instructions from Rotax are to spray the fogging
oil into the carbs with the engine running, or if you are afraid of the spinning
prop, spray it in there with the engine off, then start it and let it run
about 10 seconds.
The front carb is about six inches from the prop so I chose option #two. That was
a good thing because as soon as I pressed the spray button the extension tube
on the fogging oil can shot off the nozzle and straight down into the crankcase.
The weather forecast this week has been for fog every day, but we have had clear
sky every day with temperature as high as 60 F on Wednesday. Instead of flying
I was removing a cylinder to get that darn spray tube out of the crankcase.
I finally got it back together Thursday afternoon and the sky was still clear.
I flew around above the canyon behind my house. I saw some elk and some funny
looking new construction. Pictures attached.
The Air was Silky smooth and the visability was unlimited. The fog is here now
so I can retorque the head bolts and fog the crankcase without using that tube
on the can.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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I have one that came off of a Model 3=2C if they are the same.Pat ReillyMod
3 582 RebuildRockford=2C IL> Subject: Kitfox-List: engine mount> From: wan
naflyfox4@hotmail.com> Date: Thu=2C 15 Jan 2009 09:52:33 -0800> To: kitfox-
lyfox4@hotmail.com>> > anyone have a mount for a 912 ul to go on a model IV
need a muffler as well. Do any changes have to be made to the cowling for
it to fit.> > thanks> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums
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| Subject: | Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to |
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Just like water skis, only colder.... : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
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On Jan 17, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
> I haven't yet figured out what snow skis are though.
> Keep them coming!
> Dick Maddux
> Pensacola,Fl
> (actually Milton,Fl)
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You're right, Lowell, and I've been meaning to take the short leaf
off, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
When my original two-leaf broke, it happened at my CFI's place, and
by the time I got back there (two days later) to pick up the broken
leaf, he had already tossed it out so I didn't get a chance to see
exactly where it broke.
My tail weight is 43 lbs, just for the record.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
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On Jan 17, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Wow,
>
> That three leaf spring looks like a lot of beef to support the 45
> lbs. typical on a Model IV or lighter, I presume, on earlier
> models. I suspect, I would eliminate the third spring which
> doesn't add strength where the typical break is but rather just
> adds stiffness which I doubt is necessary for a IV or earlier.
> What kind of weight is on the tailwheel of a big Kitfox?
>
> Lowell Fitt
> Cameron Park, CA
> Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
> Just about ready to cover fuselage and left wing.
>
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ts...super dittos for capn maddux's comments.- i need all the inspiration
i can get down here in south la to finish my avid+.- nothing works bette
r than these real life experiences for me. keep 'em coming.- tnx john bow
man. p.s. i too would love to track my coonass "cousin" leni up to ak & exp
erience some of what he so eloquently describes & ably records....& takes t
he time to share. --=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AF
rom: "Catz631@aol.com" <Catz631@aol.com>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0A
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tures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to use=0A=0A=0AChris, =0A-
You are right on the money! I too enjoy all the pictures and stories! That'
s what flying is all about !! Kudo's to Leonard for his fabulous Alaska pic
tures. I am so envious of you living in Alaska (summer anyway) Wish I had s
omeplace cool to fly. All I have down here is flat. Oh well, at least the d
oughnuts are good at local airports. I guess I-could go over and look at
the spot were that Piper Meridian-crashed after he bailed out of his airp
lane. The airplane crashed less than 5 miles from my house and the racket t
hose F-15's were making in the middle of the night while-tracking the pla
ne!=0A- Lynn, Your pictures are great also! I haven't yet figured out wha
t snow skis are though.=0A-- Keep them coming!=0A-------
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Lynn,
I don't want to complain on list for obvious reasons, but the Supersport
parts the factory sells as aftermarket replacements for the older airplanes
bothers me a bit. I am glad they are resurrectng the IV for the third
iteration, so maybe we will have some dedicated parts again for our IVs.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
>
> You're right, Lowell, and I've been meaning to take the short leaf off,
> but haven't gotten around to it yet.
> When my original two-leaf broke, it happened at my CFI's place, and by
> the time I got back there (two days later) to pick up the broken leaf, he
> had already tossed it out so I didn't get a chance to see exactly where
> it broke.
> My tail weight is 43 lbs, just for the record.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
>>
>> Wow,
>>
>> That three leaf spring looks like a lot of beef to support the 45 lbs.
>> typical on a Model IV or lighter, I presume, on earlier models. I
>> suspect, I would eliminate the third spring which doesn't add strength
>> where the typical break is but rather just adds stiffness which I doubt
>> is necessary for a IV or earlier. What kind of weight is on the
>> tailwheel of a big Kitfox?
>>
>> Lowell Fitt
>> Cameron Park, CA
>> Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
>> Just about ready to cover fuselage and left wing.
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | turtle deck tab broke off |
Hey all,
I had one turtle deck tab break the other day. The tab on the fuselage next to
the flaperon bearing support. Before I do a hatchet job does anyone have a good
way to fix this problem? Can I just remove the fabric around the area, make
a new tab, weld, then put new fabric on the opening to close it up? I hope
I don't have to recover the whole fuselage. If I can do the smaller fabric job,
I could use the opportunity to change the flaperon bearing mount, it's looks
like the original design. Any help would be appreciated.
--------
J. Henry Hall
Kitfox II, 582, Tundra Tires,
rusty pilot.
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Lynn:
Are your rudder springs as loose as they appear in the picture or am I
seeing things...Darn glasses! Doh!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
I haven't had any problem, but we don't know whether or not the shape of
mine is the same shape as yours...vendors often change things for one reason
or another. Here's a shot of mine...the triple-leaf McBean spring. Notice
how an imaginary line projected down through the centerline of the spindle
would hit the ground just ahead of the contact point of the tire/wheel. This
is so the wheel will castor correctly, and mine does.
Gary, are you saying that your spindle projection points behind the tire
contact point? Or at it? Either case would cause what your saying, I think.
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They look just like mine and mine couldn't work better. Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
>
> Lynn:
>
> Are your rudder springs as loose as they appear in the picture or am I
> seeing things...Darn glasses! Doh!
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:43 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
>
> I haven't had any problem, but we don't know whether or not the shape of
> mine is the same shape as yours...vendors often change things for one
> reason
> or another. Here's a shot of mine...the triple-leaf McBean spring. Notice
> how an imaginary line projected down through the centerline of the spindle
> would hit the ground just ahead of the contact point of the tire/wheel.
> This
> is so the wheel will castor correctly, and mine does.
>
> Gary, are you saying that your spindle projection points behind the tire
> contact point? Or at it? Either case would cause what your saying, I
> think.
>
>
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Lowell and others...
We are not selling "Super Sport parts as aftermarket replacements
for older airplanes".. We are and have been selling Model 1, 2, 3 and 4
parts as well as the 5 through the current S7 Super Sport. The tail wheel
springs have been setup for both the 3, 4 and the later models.. some have
used them on the Model 1 and 2's. Using all 3 springs is a choice for the
owner, some with 1 spring find them too soft and others have found that
using 2 or 3 works great. I think there are many variations depending on
which tail wheel is being used by the owner. There has also been many, many
different tail wheel springs created through the 25 years.
It is important to note that Kitfox aircraft sells original Kitfox parts.
Some parts are interchangeable between models and some are not but they are
made from the original tooling.
Kitfox Aircraft has and will continue to support all the models.
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
Lynn,
I don't want to complain on list for obvious reasons, but the Supersport
parts the factory sells as aftermarket replacements for the older airplanes
bothers me a bit. I am glad they are resurrectng the IV for the third
iteration, so maybe we will have some dedicated parts again for our IVs.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
>
> You're right, Lowell, and I've been meaning to take the short leaf off,
> but haven't gotten around to it yet.
> When my original two-leaf broke, it happened at my CFI's place, and by
> the time I got back there (two days later) to pick up the broken leaf, he
> had already tossed it out so I didn't get a chance to see exactly where
> it broke.
> My tail weight is 43 lbs, just for the record.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
>>
>> Wow,
>>
>> That three leaf spring looks like a lot of beef to support the 45 lbs.
>> typical on a Model IV or lighter, I presume, on earlier models. I
>> suspect, I would eliminate the third spring which doesn't add strength
>> where the typical break is but rather just adds stiffness which I doubt
>> is necessary for a IV or earlier. What kind of weight is on the
>> tailwheel of a big Kitfox?
>>
>> Lowell Fitt
>> Cameron Park, CA
>> Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
>> Just about ready to cover fuselage and left wing.
>>
>
>
>
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Gary,
Please contact me off list.
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gary.algate@sandvik.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
Charles
I just replaced my tail spring with the Kitfox 3 spring unit from John
McBean.
I ended up only using the two large springs as the third made it a very
rigid assy. I am not that happy with the new springs as they don't have the
reflex bend at the end (My old ones had a slight upward sweep at the end to
orientate the spindle of the Maule assy perpendicular to the ground).
The new one makes the spindle lay back at about 70 deg and this makes the
assy unlatch extremely easily. In fact the once the assy unlatches the wheel
wants to completely swing around.
Anybody else find this (Lynn?)
Regards
Gary
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I have 2 6 gallon tanks and I wish I at least had one at 13 gallons. I have
been Seattle to Oshkosh, so it will get there but it requires more planning,
stops and sometimes nervous moments when you wished you had 5 more gallons
of gas in reserve.
mark Donahue, Kitfox 4 with 912 ul.
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1. 01:30 AM - ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard? (Paul Franz - Merlin
GT)
2. 06:32 AM - Re: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard? (paul wilson)
3. 07:51 AM - Re: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard? (akflyer)
4. 08:02 AM - Re: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard? (Ted Palamarek)
5. 08:55 AM - Cessna with Rotax new (skyring)
6. 09:19 AM - Re: Warp Drive overhaul (JetPilot)
7. 09:28 AM - Re: Rotax powered Cessna (JetPilot)
8. 09:32 AM - Re: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard? (Guy Buchanan)
9. 09:32 AM - Re: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard? (Guy Buchanan)
10. 09:53 AM - engine mount (wannafly)
11. 11:31 AM - Re: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard? (Mike C)
12. 12:02 PM - Re: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard? (Ted Palamarek)
13. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Rotax powered Cessna (Rueb, Duane)
14. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard? (Paul Franz -
Merlin GT)
15. 05:34 PM - Re: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard? (Noel Loveys)
16. 06:05 PM - Re: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard? (R.D.(Ron) Leclerc)
17. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard? (Noel Loveys)
18. 09:22 PM - Re: Rotax powered Cessna (JetPilot)
19. 09:36 PM - Re: Rotax powered Cessna (darinh)
20. 10:11 PM - Re: Rotax powered Cessna (av8rps)
21. 10:36 PM - 26 foot Clipped Wing Kitfox (av8rps)
22. 10:42 PM - 6 gallon wing tanks enough (av8rps)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 01:30:34 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard?
From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>
I just came across an advertisement for a 1.87 LB ELT with a 6 year battery
life.
<http://www.kannad.com/en/safety/index.php?id=51>
Is this 406 MHz a replacement for the 121.5 MHz standard that I'm familiar
with?
What are you using? What antenna considerations should there be? I assume an
external antenna should be on top since an ELT would most likely be deployed
on the ground and hopefully with the aircraft right side up.
Maybe you don't even need an external antenna.
Recommendations?
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
Time: 06:32:37 AM PST US
From: paul wilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard?
That is my understanding - $406$ is an acceptable replacement for 121.5
Consider buying the lowest cost to meet the FAA requirements (121.5)
then buy Spot and choose the tracking feature that best meets your
needs. Spot works and works as intended and as advertised. Very
popular solution for pilots and wilderness adventurers. Much less
expensive and more functional than the PLBs that was the first
generation of such devices.
Lots of discussion on other Matronics forums as well as on the
Internet. Check the Aeorelectric forum archives.
Paul
=====
At 01:28 AM 1/15/2009, you wrote:
><paul@eucleides.com>
>
>Is this 406 MHz a replacement for the 121.5 MHz standard that I'm
>familiar with?
>
>Recommendations?
>
>--
>Paul A. Franz
>Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
>Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
>Bellevue WA
>425.241.1618 Cell
>
________________________________ Message 3
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Time: 07:51:12 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard?
From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote:
> I just came across an advertisement for a 1.87 LB ELT with a 6 year
battery life.
>
>
>
> Is this 406 MHz a replacement for the 121.5 MHz standard that I'm familiar
with?
>
> What are you using? What antenna considerations should there be? I assume
an
external
> antenna should be on top since an ELT would most likely be deployed on the
ground
and
> hopefully with the aircraft right side up.
>
> Maybe you don't even need an external antenna.
>
> Recommendations?
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
The 406 is only REQUIRED if you plan on flying into Canada or another
country.
121.5 is still USA, you just wont have satellite monitoring, it will rely on
overhead traffic and other pilots to hear the signal and get the ball
rolling.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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________________________________ Message 4
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Time: 08:02:20 AM PST US
From: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard?
Paul
The ELT standard is changing from 121.5 MHz to 406 MHz and in Canada in the
next while we will be mandated to change over to 406 MHz. There are several
aviation organizations lobbying the Gov't to allow alternatives such as SPOT
to be used for small aircraft. So far in this Country the DOT (our
equivalent of your FAA) is not budging on this request from the aviation
groups. I don't recall the exact dates for the change over but I believe it
is in the next year. Perhaps Noel could chime in on this. This change in
Canada is also a point of discussion with the AOPA , FAA, EAA and others as
the change here would affect small aircraft such as our group flying from
the lower 48 through Canada to Alaska.
The way I now understand it --- after implementation an aircraft going from
the lower 48 to Alaska would need 406 MHz ELT to make the trip through
Canada.
This story is still on going here and things may change depending on how
much the DOT listens to the Aviation Groups.
Ted Palamarek
Edmonton, Ab
Kitfox 4-1200/912
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Franz -
Merlin GT
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:29 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard?
<paul@eucleides.com>
I just came across an advertisement for a 1.87 LB ELT with a 6 year battery
life.
<http://www.kannad.com/en/safety/index.php?id=51>
Is this 406 MHz a replacement for the 121.5 MHz standard that I'm familiar
with?
What are you using? What antenna considerations should there be? I assume an
external
antenna should be on top since an ELT would most likely be deployed on the
ground and
hopefully with the aircraft right side up.
Maybe you don't even need an external antenna.
Recommendations?
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
Time: 08:55:55 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Cessna with Rotax new
From: "skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Just starting a new thread on this as the other one wandered off and I
apologise
for this being a bit off topic...
In Europe a few Cessna's have been fitted with Rotax 912S. Follow this link
to
see the one that my aero club had converted.
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/096902.html
I flew it a couple of times and the performance in both climb and cruise was
better
than an 0-200 C150 - and I guess this was mainly due to the lighter weight
and the nice big geared constant speed propeller. It was an expensive
conversion
(don't have the figures - just passing on gossip) and the club had high
hopes
that it would pay itself off with lower running costs and satisfy a large
number of club members who like to fly C150's. In the end the project was
abandoned
because not enough members took to it and the engine was eventually put
into a Katana. The remains are now up for sale.
Why it didn't prove more popular (had very good range) is hard to say but
somehow
it didn't work. The only negative I could see was the poorer visibility over
the big cowling.
Kerry
Kitfox S5 912S in the test flying phase
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224919#224919
________________________________ Message 6
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Time: 09:19:17 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Warp Drive overhaul
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Call Warp drive about your propeller, they will be the best ones to tell you
how
to check the condition of their props.
Daryl, president of the factory, is also the guy you will talk to when
you call them on their 1-800-833-9357. He is extremely knowledgeable
of his product and its applications.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224924#224924
________________________________ Message 7
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Time: 09:28:58 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax powered Cessna
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
ruebd(at)skymail.csus.edu wrote:
>
>
> I do, however, have a concern for the newbys that will innocently assume
the
they are purchasing a craft that will not only represent good value, but
will
represent the best overall choice of power plant for simplicity, safety, and
operating
cost. An engine with two cooling systems, two carburetors (that can
get out of sync), a puny alternator that has issues with its wiring, cannot
be
leaned for best power, but is supposed to do so automatically does not
represent
the best possible choice for these new pilots, and I am sure that Cessna
also
knows it, but is trading this for a purchase price point that might help
their
sales initially, but in the long run I suspect many of their purchasers will
want to up-grade their engine to one that is simpler, more robust and
overall
less expensive.
>
> Duane Rueb, N24ZM
>
>
>
> --
Duane,
You have not been paying attention [Embarassed] .... Cessna is putting the
Continental
0200 in their new LSA airplane, NOT the Rotax 912-S.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224929#224929
________________________________ Message 8
_____________________________________
Time: 09:32:03 AM PST US
From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard?
At 08:01 AM 1/15/2009, you wrote:
>The way I now understand it --- after implementation an aircraft going from
>the lower 48 to Alaska would need 406 MHz ELT to make the trip through
>Canada.
Ted,
I have a question on the Canadian implementation. Will they
allow 406 PLBs? Or must you have an aircraft model with G-switch?
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
________________________________ Message 9
_____________________________________
Time: 09:32:17 AM PST US
From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard?
At 01:28 AM 1/15/2009, you wrote:
>I assume an external
>antenna should be on top since an ELT would most likely be deployed
>on the ground and
>hopefully with the aircraft right side up.
>
>Maybe you don't even need an external antenna.
Nice thing about a Kitfox is that the antenna can be internal. The
cloth doesn't impede transmission.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
________________________________ Message 10
____________________________________
Time: 09:53:29 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: engine mount
From: "wannafly" <wannaflyfox4@hotmail.com>
anyone have a mount for a 912 ul to go on a model IV need a muffler as well.
Do
any changes have to be made to the cowling for it to fit.
thanks
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Time: 11:31:21 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard?
From: "Mike C" <mcrutchlow@cogeco.ca>
The Canadian implementation of the 406 ELT will be phased in over the next 2
years
starting next month. It must be an impact activated device so only a proper
ELT will do. The grapevine is saying that Transport Canada (TC) will look
the
other way when US planes are flying into or through Canada without the 406
ELT.
The grapevine is also saying there is going to be an 11th hour meeting
between
TC and the stake holders that could see some changes but no specifics.
The new ELT will have to be registered to the aircraft owner so that any
signals
will be directly traceable to the plane and there is the option of
transmitting
GPS co-ordinates. I understand that the 406 will transmit at 5 watts instead
of the 1/2 watt transmission of the 121.5. This will help when using an
antenna
inside the frame.
Battery packs will be expense (Li-Ion) but they are good for 5 years. The
kicker
in Canada is the annual re-cert which will be at least triple the cost of
the
old units.
I'm usually in the shadows but this info was gathered from a seminar I
attended
late last year.
Mike C
Simcoe, Ontario
Model II 582
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________________________________ Message 12
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Time: 12:02:22 PM PST US
From: "Ted Palamarek" <temco@telusplanet.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard?
Guy
The way I understand it now is that the aircraft must have the ELT mounted
in the aircraft with an inertia switch that would activate the ELT in the
event of a crash. The aviation groups in Canada are still actively lobbying
the DOT to allow the PLB and SPOT type instruments to be acceptable in small
acrft such as ours rather than the expensive 406MHz ELT.
This story still has some legs and no legislation has been enacted yet to
make the 406MHz mandatory. Currently our Fed Gov't is not sitting and will
not be sitting till the later part of this month. I personally think that
this issue will take a back seat to the economy and won't be acted on for a
number of months. I will try getting you some further info on this issue in
Canada.
Ted Palamarek
Edmonton, Ab
Kitfox 4-1200/912ul
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard?
At 08:01 AM 1/15/2009, you wrote:
>The way I now understand it --- after implementation an aircraft going from
>the lower 48 to Alaska would need 406 MHz ELT to make the trip through
>Canada.
Ted,
I have a question on the Canadian implementation. Will they
allow 406 PLBs? Or must you have an aircraft model with G-switch?
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
________________________________ Message 13
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Time: 12:20:07 PM PST US
From: "Rueb, Duane" <ruebd@skymail.csus.edu>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax powered Cessna
OK, I missed the fact that it was the 'other way around' and I am a little
embarrassed
at that, but I did read something that caused me to think that maybe they
had backed away from their first decision.
Please accept my apology, but now I must hope that some learning might have
resulted
from my mistaken reasoning, and I also apologize to Cessna and applaud their
choice. It should result in some excellent value to their clients because
it will likely be a very robust product designed for the relatively new
market
of a factory built plane aimed at the Sport Pilot category. Heck, as nice
a package as it will be, I bet they will sell em to private pilots as well.
p.s. If I didn't have what I have, I might be trying to talk my wife into
letting
me order one.
Duane Rueb N24ZM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JetPilot
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:28 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax powered Cessna
ruebd(at)skymail.csus.edu wrote:
>
>
> I do, however, have a concern for the newbys that will innocently assume
the
they are purchasing a craft that will not only represent good value, but
will
represent the best overall choice of power plant for simplicity, safety, and
operating
cost. An engine with two cooling systems, two carburetors (that can
get out of sync), a puny alternator that has issues with its wiring, cannot
be
leaned for best power, but is supposed to do so automatically does not
represent
the best possible choice for these new pilots, and I am sure that Cessna
also
knows it, but is trading this for a purchase price point that might help
their
sales initially, but in the long run I suspect many of their purchasers will
want to up-grade their engine to one that is simpler, more robust and
overall
less expensive.
>
> Duane Rueb, N24ZM
>
>
>
> --
Duane,
You have not been paying attention [Embarassed] .... Cessna is putting the
Continental
0200 in their new LSA airplane, NOT the Rotax 912-S.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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________________________________ Message 14
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Time: 02:47:26 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard?
From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>
On Thu, January 15, 2009 7:49 am, akflyer wrote:
> The 406 is only REQUIRED if you plan on flying into Canada or another
country.
121.5
> is still USA, you just wont have satellite monitoring, it will rely on
overhead
> traffic and other pilots to hear the signal and get the ball rolling.
In an article by the EAA;
A note to those flying outside the U.S.: While 406 MHz ELTs are not
mandatory for
operating in the U.S., pilots who fly internationally - to Canada, Mexico,
etc.
-
after February 1, 2009, will be required to upgrade their ELTs to the new
ICAO
standard 406 MHz units. EAA is working with Transport Canada to obtain an
exemption
to
this regulation for aircraft transitioning through Canada to Alaska, or
flying
from
the northeastern part of the U.S. to the west where the most direct flight
route
requires a short transition through Canadian airspace.
<http://www.eaa.org/news/2008/2008-09-04_elt.asp>
They have further comments intended to clarify here:
<http://www.eaa.org/news/2008/2008-09-04_elt_info.asp>
The problem I see is practical. It would appear that getting a 406.28 MHz
compliant
ELT will cost around $4k with the interface to the NAV system for GPS
coordinates.
Using the pricing for the unit I originally mentioned from Aircraft Spruce:
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/av/elt_kannad.html>
With accessories and the interface kit, this is around $4k. That's pretty
expensive.
Whereas a more reasonable ELT would be around $200. This one looks pretty
good.
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/ack_tech.php>
Since there is no requirement in the US for any update, just that the
satellite
detection system is going down the end of this month. Maybe using a PLB such
as
this
Ameri-King unit would be more affordable as an add - on.
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/ak451PLB.php>
However there are many SPOT devices. This one requires an annual
subscription.
I don't
think any of them meet the requirements for 406 compliance in say Canada or
Mexico.
<https://mysattracker.com/>
Since there will be no more satellite tracking of 121.5 ELT signals, I feel
I should
do something more but not $4k worth of something.
Anybody have an opinion on using this one?
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/ak451PLB.php>
I don't see anything about crash detection. Maybe that's why it is less
money.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
________________________________ Message 15
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Time: 05:34:42 PM PST US
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard?
I have to call a TC inspector tomorrow.... I'll bounce this question off
him.
It is however my understanding that unless an imminent threat is encountered
by allowing an aircraft to fly, the plane in question has to meet the
specifications for flight authority in the country of registration. It is
then allowed to fly in Canada. That means not only the crowd that passes
through on their way to and from Alaska are legal but the folks form the
eastern seaboard that summer in Labrador are also legal. I think a plane
and pilot has 180 days before any requirement to get a Canadian registration
or license. In that 180 days I don't think TC even has the right to ramp
check a foreign registered plane without a request from the home country.
They do have the right to examine documents.
As far as I know the exceptions are... PP-UL and PP-Rec (Pilot
Permit-Ultralight, Pilot Permit-Recreational, Canada)are not allowed to fly
any Canadian aircraft, not registered UL in Canada, south of the border.
Holders of U.S. LSA licenses are not permitted to fly in Canada. The
excuses, not reasons, are the same in both cases... Incompatibility of the
medical requirements.
Canadian Ultralight specifications are currently that an ultralight aircraft
has to be under 1200Lb.(Basic) 1232Lb. for the "Advanced Ultralight" MTOW.
They must also have a stall speed, in the landing configuration, of no more
than 45 mph. At MTOW. This potentially puts Canadian ultralight aircraft
far above the weight characteristics of the US ultralight.(254 lb dry) In
Canada if it flies and carries any living body it must be registered. Even
our balloons are registered and their pilots are licensed.
Another difference is; in Canada an ultralight is defined by the aircraft
not by the registration. My 'Fox is registered Amateur built but I can fly
it as an ultralight, which I do on floats (no UL endorsement for floats) and
with the 121.5 ELT. Another difference in regulations which you guys may
find interesting is in Canada there is no endorsement for conventional
landing gear. Anyone with half a brain will get tail wheel training but it
is not a requirement. Funny we don't have thousands of tail draggers
plummeting out of the skies like rain in a thunderstorm.
I hope that the new President and the old PM will take a group of people
(FAA and TC lords) and lock them in a small basement somewhere, with bad
plumbing, no air conditioning and nothing but baked beans and prunes. Leave
them there until they get a reciprocal agreement. They can do the same
thing the Cardinals do... Send up white smoke to notify an agreement. What
are the bets they would have an agreement before supper the first day :-)
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted Palamarek
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard?
Paul
The ELT standard is changing from 121.5 MHz to 406 MHz and in Canada in the
next while we will be mandated to change over to 406 MHz. There are several
aviation organizations lobbying the Gov't to allow alternatives such as SPOT
to be used for small aircraft. So far in this Country the DOT (our
equivalent of your FAA) is not budging on this request from the aviation
groups. I don't recall the exact dates for the change over but I believe it
is in the next year. Perhaps Noel could chime in on this. This change in
Canada is also a point of discussion with the AOPA , FAA, EAA and others as
the change here would affect small aircraft such as our group flying from
the lower 48 through Canada to Alaska.
The way I now understand it --- after implementation an aircraft going from
the lower 48 to Alaska would need 406 MHz ELT to make the trip through
Canada.
This story is still on going here and things may change depending on how
much the DOT listens to the Aviation Groups.
Ted Palamarek
Edmonton, Ab
Kitfox 4-1200/912
________________________________ Message 16
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Time: 06:05:36 PM PST US
From: "R.D.(Ron) Leclerc" <infow@mts.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard?
Hey... Hey there Noel,
Kind of makes you wonder where there coming from!
Word out is that it may happen this year...
Ron Leclerc
Winnipeg, BRRRRR(-49 here this morning) Mb
CH701 #7-6699 Scratch Build
:-(
:-(
:-( I have to call a TC inspector tomorrow.... I'll bounce this
:-( question off him.
:-(
:-( It is however my understanding that unless an imminent threat is
:-( encountered by allowing an aircraft to fly, the plane in question
:-( has to meet the specifications for flight authority in the
:-( country of registration. It is then allowed to fly in Canada.
:-( That means not only the crowd that passes through on their way to
:-( and from Alaska are legal but the folks form the eastern seaboard
:-( that summer in Labrador are also legal. I think a plane and
:-( pilot has 180 days before any requirement to get a Canadian
:-( registration or license. In that 180 days I don't think TC even
:-( has the right to ramp check a foreign registered plane without a
:-( request from the home country. They do have the right to examine
:-( documents.
:-(
:-( As far as I know the exceptions are... PP-UL and PP-Rec (Pilot
:-( Permit-Ultralight, Pilot Permit-Recreational, Canada)are not
:-( allowed to fly any Canadian aircraft, not registered UL in
:-( Canada, south of the border. Holders of U.S. LSA licenses are not
:-( permitted to fly in Canada. The excuses, not reasons, are the
:-( same in both cases... Incompatibility of the medical
:-( requirements.
:-(
:-( Canadian Ultralight specifications are currently that an
:-( ultralight aircraft has to be under 1200Lb.(Basic) 1232Lb. for
:-( the "Advanced Ultralight" MTOW. They must also have a stall
:-( speed, in the landing configuration, of no more than 45 mph. At
:-( MTOW. This potentially puts Canadian ultralight aircraft far
:-( above the weight characteristics of the US ultralight.(254 lb
:-( dry) In Canada if it flies and carries any living body it must be
:-( registered. Even our balloons are registered and their pilots
:-( are licensed.
:-(
:-( Another difference is; in Canada an ultralight is defined by the
:-( aircraft not by the registration. My 'Fox is registered Amateur
:-( built but I can fly it as an ultralight, which I do on floats (no
:-( UL endorsement for floats) and with the 121.5 ELT. Another
:-( difference in regulations which you guys may find interesting is
:-( in Canada there is no endorsement for conventional landing gear.
:-( Anyone with half a brain will get tail wheel training but it is
:-( not a requirement. Funny we don't have thousands of tail
:-( draggers plummeting out of the skies like rain in a thunderstorm.
:-(
:-( I hope that the new President and the old PM will take a group of
:-( people (FAA and TC lords) and lock them in a small basement
:-( somewhere, with bad plumbing, no air conditioning and nothing but
:-( baked beans and prunes. Leave them there until they get a
:-( reciprocal agreement. They can do the same thing the Cardinals
:-( do... Send up white smoke to notify an agreement. What are the
:-( bets they would have an agreement before supper the first day :-)
:-(
:-( Noel
:-(
:-( -----Original Message-----
:-( From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
:-(
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Ted
:-( Palamarek Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:31 PM To: kitfox-
:-( list@matronics.com
:-( Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard?
:-(
:-(
:-(
:-( Paul
:-(
:-( The ELT standard is changing from 121.5 MHz to 406 MHz and in
:-( Canada in the next while we will be mandated to change over to
:-( 406 MHz. There are several aviation organizations lobbying the
:-( Gov't to allow alternatives such as SPOT to be used for small
:-( aircraft. So far in this Country the DOT (our equivalent of your
:-( FAA) is not budging on this request from the aviation groups. I
:-( don't recall the exact dates for the change over but I believe it
:-( is in the next year. Perhaps Noel could chime in on this. This
:-( change in Canada is also a point of discussion with the AOPA ,
:-( FAA, EAA and others as the change here would affect small
:-( aircraft such as our group flying from the lower 48 through
:-( Canada to Alaska.
:-(
:-( The way I now understand it --- after implementation an aircraft
:-( going from the lower 48 to Alaska would need 406 MHz ELT to make
:-( the trip through Canada.
:-(
:-( This story is still on going here and things may change depending
:-( on how much the DOT listens to the Aviation Groups.
:-(
:-( Ted Palamarek
:-( Edmonton, Ab
:-( Kitfox 4-1200/912
:-(
________________________________ Message 17
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Time: 07:01:43 PM PST US
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard?
Problem as i see it is the new system only adds an ident. to the signal.
That means when they send out the search team they know if they are looking
fo a 2 seater or two hundred seater. The GPS coordinates is an expensive
add on. I think something like the spot with a 121.5 should be enough for
private planes.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Franz -
Merlin GT
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: ELT - 406 MHz or 121.5 standard?
<paul@eucleides.com>
On Thu, January 15, 2009 7:49 am, akflyer wrote:
> The 406 is only REQUIRED if you plan on flying into Canada or another
country. 121.5
> is still USA, you just wont have satellite monitoring, it will rely on
overhead
> traffic and other pilots to hear the signal and get the ball rolling.
In an article by the EAA;
A note to those flying outside the U.S.: While 406 MHz ELTs are not
mandatory for
operating in the U.S., pilot's who fly internationally - to Canada, Mexico,
etc. -
after February 1, 2009, will be required to upgrade their ELTs to the new
ICAO
standard 406 MHz units. EAA is working with Transport Canada to obtain an
exemption to
this regulation for aircraft transitioning through Canada to Alaska, or
flying from
the northeastern part of the U.S. to the west where the most direct flight
route
requires a short transition through Canadian airspace.
<http://www.eaa.org/news/2008/2008-09-04_elt.asp>
They have further comments intended to clarify here:
<http://www.eaa.org/news/2008/2008-09-04_elt_info.asp>
The problem I see is practical. It would appear that getting a 406.28 MHz
compliant
ELT will cost around $4k with the interface to the NAV system for GPS
coordinates.
Using the pricing for the unit I originally mentioned from Aircraft Spruce:
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/av/elt_kannad.html>
With accessories and the interface kit, this is around $4k. That's pretty
expensive.
Whereas a more reasonable ELT would be around $200. This one looks pretty
good.
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/ack_tech.php>
Since there is no requirement in the US for any update, just that the
satellite
detection system is going down the end of this month. Maybe using a PLB such
as this
Ameri-King unit would be more affordable as an add - on.
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/ak451PLB.php>
However there are many SPOT devices. This one requires an annual
subscription. I don't
think any of them meet the requirements for 406 compliance in say Canada or
Mexico.
<https://mysattracker.com/>
Since there will be no more satellite tracking of 121.5 ELT signals, I feel
I should
do something more but not $4k worth of something.
Anybody have an opinion on using this one?
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/ak451PLB.php>
I don't see anything about crash detection. Maybe that's why it is less
money.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
________________________________ Message 18
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Time: 09:22:32 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax powered Cessna
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Paul,
I agree with you, I like the Continental 0200, it is a great and reliable
engine.
The Rotax 912 is light and very efficient, but it does take a lot more skill
to maintain properly, I don't think the average flight school is up to it...
I have a Rotax 912-S and I like it a lot, but if I had about 20,000
dollars
instead of the 912-S, I would buy the new experimental fuel injected
Lycoming
engine to put in my Kitfox SS, then the Continental-0200 after that. As
good
as the 912-S is, it does have more problems and required maintenance than a
certified aircraft engine. I dont weigh much, so my Kitfox with a standard
aircraft
engine would not be much heaver than the average kitfox with a 912-S and
a heavier pilot.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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________________________________ Message 19
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Time: 09:36:17 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax powered Cessna
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
The O-200 is a great engine but heavy when compared with the 912S...In the
new
Cessna Flea Catcher that shouldn't be a problem but on the Kitfox I think
the
912S is a much better choice. Kitfoxes fly much better when they are light.
By the way Mike, you keep speaking of the O-200 as a certified engine and
the 912S
as an "Experimental" which of course is correct. However, add the Letter "A"
to the end of 912 and you will get the exact same engine as the "S"
but.........yes,
certified. Diamond put them in the Katana for a while then I think
switched to the IO-240 which is another great engine by the way. I do agree
though,
the continental is easier to maintain and everyone and their dog knows
the engine inside an out...it is a little tougher to find an A&P that knows
the
Rotax very well but that will change with time and all the LSA flying them.
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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________________________________ Message 20
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Time: 10:11:04 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax powered Cessna
From: "av8rps" <paul676@tds.net>
Back in the 90's Reiner Hoffman, the designer of the Stratus Subaru
conversions
put a Stratus Sube in a C150 and flew it across the country alongside an
0-200
C-150 for comparison. In all regards, the Stratus outperformed the 0-200.
It was never certified, so the test was truly nothing more than an
experiment.
But it sure was interesting.
There also is a flying club outside the US (Italy or France I believe) that
has
a 912ul powered C-150 that has been in operation now for quite a few years.
I don't recall the complete details, but as I recall the 80 hp 912 performs
pretty
much on par with the original o-200, but burns less fuel.
In my opinion Cessna's new 'made in China", 0-200 powered LSA resulted in
nothing
more than a glorified remake of the old C-150 trainer. Due to using
essentially
the same technologies they used in the 60's and 70's, the performance of
their newest little Cessna is going to reflect that. I'm sure it will
provide
someone with a good little trainer, but as a personal airplane it does
little
or nothing for me. If I wanted a C-150, I'll find a really nice used one
and
will save myself 80-100 grand.
But with all that said, I really can't understand anyone wanting a new (or
even
an old) Cessna when they could have a really nice, high performance Kitfox
instead.
The Kitfox will not only be a whole bunch more fun to fly, but will also
provide one with a much more capable, cost effective, and better performing
aircraft. Old technology is old technology. I'll put my 80 hp 912 Kitfox
amphibian
up against any similar horsepower, old engine technology amphibian. That
is if you can find one...
Paul S
Central Wisconsin
--------
Model IV-1200 912ul Amphib
Avid Flyer
Lake Amphibian
Central Wisconsin
paul676@tds.net
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________________________________ Message 21
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Time: 10:36:10 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: 26 foot Clipped Wing Kitfox
From: "av8rps" <paul676@tds.net>
Hi Gang,
I'm working on a second Kitfox project (model IV 912ul with IFA IVO) and am
seriously
thinking about making removable wing extensions, but with a shorter span
than the Speedster. I have it all pretty much figured out now, so it is
just
a question of whether or not to do it. Anyone have any opinions on this?
Also,
I would love to see some construction photos of slide in wing extensions
if anyone has done a speedster conversion from the long wing.
Oh yeah, I'm basing my rationale for doing this on what Avid did back in the
early
days when they took their 29+ foot Avid STOL wing off their airplane and
made
a new semi-symmetrical airfoil with only a 24 foot span. That was pretty
short in most peoples opinion, but overall still worked out ok. So I would
think
a 26 foot Kitfox wing would still provide reasonable performance. I would
realistically anticipate a 3-400 fpm drop in climb, but a 15-20 mph increase
in cruise over the standard wing. At least that's my goal based on some
initial
calculations.
Worse case scenario is that I slide the wing extensions back on because it
didn't
work out like I hoped it would.
Paul S
--------
Model IV-1200 912ul Amphib
Avid Flyer
Lake Amphibian
Central Wisconsin
paul676@tds.net
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________________________________ Message 22
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Time: 10:42:22 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: 6 gallon wing tanks enough
From: "av8rps" <paul676@tds.net>
Hi Guys and Gals,
I need some advice from the group;
My second Model IV 912ul Kitfox project is underway, and I have a decision
to make;
It only has two 6 gallon wing tanks and the plastic header tank behind the
seat. Before I get any heavier into this project I should probably decide
whether or not it is worth the effort to change out the 6 gallon wing tanks
to
the 13's. So if anyone here on the list is operating a 912ul with the small
tanks, I'd really appreciate hearing your thoughts...
Thanks,
Paul S
--------
Model IV-1200 912ul Amphib
Avid Flyer
Lake Amphibian
Central Wisconsin
paul676@tds.net
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Sounds like cousin Leni is soon gonna have his own lil squadron up
there what with he and his brother and you and all....: ) I'd go up
there too, if I could figure a way around Canada's rule about keepin'
Sport Pilots out of their airspace. : (
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Jan 17, 2009, at 1:39 PM, john taylor wrote:
> to: chris & all who so generously share their "pics n stories" on
> these lists...super dittos for capn maddux's comments. i need all
> the inspiration i can get down here in south la to finish my avid
> +. nothing works better than these real life experiences for me.
> keep 'em coming. tnx john bowman. p.s. i too would love to track
> my coonass "cousin" leni up to ak & experience some of what he so
> eloquently describes & ably records....& takes the time to share.
>
> From: "Catz631@aol.com" <Catz631@aol.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:27:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft
> being put to use
>
> Chris,
> You are right on the money! I too enjoy all the pictures and
> stories! That's what flying is all about !! Kudo's to Leonard for
> his fabulous Alaska pictures. I am so envious of you living in
> Alaska (summer anyway) Wish I had someplace cool to fly. All I have
> down here is flat. Oh well, at least the doughnuts are good at
> local airports. I guess I could go over and look at the spot were
> that Piper Meridian crashed after he bailed out of his airplane.
> The airplane crashed less than 5 miles from my house and the racket
> those F-15's were making in the middle of the night while tracking
> the plane!
> Lynn, Your pictures are great also! I haven't yet figured out
> what snow skis are though.
> Keep them coming!
> Dick Maddux
> Pensacola,Fl
> (actually Milton,Fl)
>
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Who knows, Lowell, maybe an "on-list" mention of what is needed will
be enough to push the factory into coming up with the exact spring
that is needed...maybe even a 3-leaf'er that is designed *exactly*
FOR the IV...if indeed the present one IS a bit too stiff as is. (it
seems to me that is IS too stiff, but at least mine is on there and
I'm flying it)
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 17, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Lynn,
>
> I don't want to complain on list for obvious reasons, but the
> Supersport parts the factory sells as aftermarket replacements for
> the older airplanes bothers me a bit. I am glad they are
> resurrectng the IV for the third iteration, so maybe we will have
> some dedicated parts again for our IVs.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
>
>
>>
>> You're right, Lowell, and I've been meaning to take the short
>> leaf off, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
>> When my original two-leaf broke, it happened at my CFI's place,
>> and by the time I got back there (two days later) to pick up the
>> broken leaf, he had already tossed it out so I didn't get a
>> chance to see exactly where it broke.
>> My tail weight is 43 lbs, just for the record.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> New skis done and flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>>
>>> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>
>>> Wow,
>>>
>>> That three leaf spring looks like a lot of beef to support the
>>> 45 lbs. typical on a Model IV or lighter, I presume, on earlier
>>> models. I suspect, I would eliminate the third spring which
>>> doesn't add strength where the typical break is but rather just
>>> adds stiffness which I doubt is necessary for a IV or earlier.
>>> What kind of weight is on the tailwheel of a big Kitfox?
>>>
>>> Lowell Fitt
>>> Cameron Park, CA
>>> Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
>>> Just about ready to cover fuselage and left wing.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Yes, they are exactly that loose. I like them that way, as it lets me
dance a bit without anything happening, I guess. I've landed at all
sorts of strips across the country....grass, grass and rocks, paved,
concrete, Dekes : ), snow, ice, lakes...just about anything I can
think of, and whether it's just because it's how I got used to it
when getting instruction (instructor didn't said a word then or now,
and he sees it every time I fly over there to hang out/work), or
what, but it works for me. I've tried them loose like this and
tight....I've tried with the Maule anti-shimmy springs, the unequal
compression-type springs, and this seems to work the best for me. The
Maule anti-shimmy, just to give them their due, were installed before
I had even one minute of training in a tailwheel. I couldn't get them
to steer to the left, I think it was, so I took them off (free to
anybody who wants to pay for shipping) and haven't even thought about
them since. Apparently there is something about my setup that works
just fine for me and my style of landing and taxiing, so I'm leaving
it alone...and believe me my CFI is very outspoken about EVERYTHING,
so he would have slapped me up side the head if he thought there was
something wrong.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 17, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Lynn:
>
> Are your rudder springs as loose as they appear in the picture or am I
> seeing things...Darn glasses! Doh!
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Re: turtle deck tab broke off |
rudderdancer wrote:
> Hey all,
> I had one turtle deck tab break the other day. The tab on the fuselage next
to the flaperon bearing support. Before I do a hatchet job does anyone have a
good way to fix this problem? Can I just remove the fabric around the area,
make a new tab, weld, then put new fabric on the opening to close it up? I hope
I don't have to recover the whole fuselage. If I can do the smaller fabric
job, I could use the opportunity to change the flaperon bearing mount, it's looks
like the original design. Any help would be appreciated.
What is it covered with? Poly fiber and poly tone finish you can just cut out
the area you need, or better yet, hit it with an acetone soaked rag and it will
take it down to bare fabric. Hold the rag on it and it will soften the glue
and you can peel it back real easy. Make your repair and glue back down. If
you do need to cut the fabric, you just have to put a patch back on that overlaps
the good fabric by 2". It is a very simple repair that could be done in
an afternoon.
If it has aerothane, it is a bit harder to take the old finish off, but the poly
fiber manual tells in good detail how to do the repair. If you dont have the
book, I get home Wednesday and can scan in the section you need and shoot it
to you.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: turtle deck tab broke off |
Leonard,
Can you post a photo so we can help you figure out a repair? Jeff Classic IV
----- Original Message -----
From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:36 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: turtle deck tab broke off
>
>
> rudderdancer wrote:
>> Hey all,
>> I had one turtle deck tab break the other day. The tab on the fuselage
>> next to the flaperon bearing support. Before I do a hatchet job does
>> anyone have a good way to fix this problem? Can I just remove the fabric
>> around the area, make a new tab, weld, then put new fabric on the opening
>> to close it up? I hope I don't have to recover the whole fuselage. If I
>> can do the smaller fabric job, I could use the opportunity to change the
>> flaperon bearing mount, it's looks like the original design. Any help
>> would be appreciated.
>
>
> What is it covered with? Poly fiber and poly tone finish you can just cut
> out the area you need, or better yet, hit it with an acetone soaked rag
> and it will take it down to bare fabric. Hold the rag on it and it will
> soften the glue and you can peel it back real easy. Make your repair and
> glue back down. If you do need to cut the fabric, you just have to put a
> patch back on that overlaps the good fabric by 2". It is a very simple
> repair that could be done in an afternoon.
> If it has aerothane, it is a bit harder to take the old finish off, but
> the poly fiber manual tells in good detail how to do the repair. If you
> dont have the book, I get home Wednesday and can scan in the section you
> need and shoot it to you.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225352#225352
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to |
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[quote="Lynn Matteson"]Sounds like cousin Leni is soon gonna have his own lil squadron
up
there what with he and his brother and you and all....: ) I'd go up
there too, if I could figure a way around Canada's rule about keepin'
Sport Pilots out of their airspace. : (
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Jan 17, 2009, at 1:39 PM, john taylor wrote:
> to: chris & all who so generously share their "pics n stories" on
> these lists...super dittos for capn maddux's comments. i need all
> the inspiration i can get down here in south la to finish my avid
> +. nothing works better than these real life experiences for me.
> keep 'em coming. tnx john bowman. p.s. i too would love to track
> my coonass "cousin" leni up to ak & experience some of what he so
> eloquently describes & ably records....& takes the time to share.
>
> From: "Catz631@aol.com"
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:27:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft
> being put to use
>
> Chris,
> You are right on the money! I too enjoy all the pictures and
> stories! That's what flying is all about !! Kudo's to Leonard for
> his fabulous Alaska pictures. I am so envious of you living in
> Alaska (summer anyway) Wish I had someplace cool to fly. All I have
> down here is flat. Oh well, at least the doughnuts are good at
> local airports. I guess I could go over and look at the spot were
> that Piper Meridian crashed after he bailed out of his airplane.
> The airplane crashed less than 5 miles from my house and the racket
> those F-15's were making in the middle of the night while tracking
> the plane!
> Lynn, Your pictures are great also! I haven't yet figured out
> what snow skis are though.
> Keep them coming!
> Dick Maddux
> Pensacola,Fl
> (actually Milton,Fl)
>
Dont say I didn't warm you about feeding the monkey...
Standing invitation to all who want to fly in some wide open space and get away
from pavement pounding. We have 6 flying avids or kitfoxes in the immediate
area, and a few more that should be up and flying real soon. Come on up and we
can go out fishing, boating, sightseeing telling lies at the local watering
holes, you name it we can do it.
If fly fishing is your game, I have some killer spots for fly out raft trips and
use of some nice cabins to fly out to. I have the rafts, but it takes a beaver
or turbine otter to get us there (can get some good deals on the trips).
Ocean fishing for Halibut or salmon is right outside the front door so dont be
bashful if you are looking for a good time. I work 2 weeks on 2 weeks off so
long trips around the area as easy for me to put together.
I would really like to put together a "guy" trip around middle to end of July.
6 or 8 guys and do a 7-10 day float on the little creek that I am attaching pic's
of. These were from a trip I ran last summer.
To really keep it relevant, we can fly the Avid out on floats for nice day or overnight
trips to many of the areas lakes, rivers and streams.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: turtle deck tab broke off |
pulsair(at)mindspring.com wrote:
> Leonard,
> Can you post a photo so we can help you figure out a repair? Jeff Classic IV
> ---
Sure cant... not my repair, I was tossing out ways to help him fix it.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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If I ever get my plane back on wheels I'll give that a try.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
Yes, they are exactly that loose. I like them that way, as it lets me
dance a bit without anything happening, I guess. I've landed at all
sorts of strips across the country....grass, grass and rocks, paved,
concrete, Dekes : ), snow, ice, lakes...just about anything I can
think of, and whether it's just because it's how I got used to it
when getting instruction (instructor didn't said a word then or now,
and he sees it every time I fly over there to hang out/work), or
what, but it works for me. I've tried them loose like this and
tight....I've tried with the Maule anti-shimmy springs, the unequal
compression-type springs, and this seems to work the best for me. The
Maule anti-shimmy, just to give them their due, were installed before
I had even one minute of training in a tailwheel. I couldn't get them
to steer to the left, I think it was, so I took them off (free to
anybody who wants to pay for shipping) and haven't even thought about
them since. Apparently there is something about my setup that works
just fine for me and my style of landing and taxiing, so I'm leaving
it alone...and believe me my CFI is very outspoken about EVERYTHING,
so he would have slapped me up side the head if he thought there was
something wrong.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 17, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Lynn:
>
> Are your rudder springs as loose as they appear in the picture or am I
> seeing things...Darn glasses! Doh!
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Re: turtle deck tab broke off |
You might consider doing away with the turtle deck and install a single
piece of aluminum in its place. That would eliminate the need to cut up
your fabric.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: rudderdancer<mailto:jhenryhall@mac.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 12:24 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: turtle deck tab broke off
<jhenryhall@mac.com<mailto:jhenryhall@mac.com>>
Hey all,
I had one turtle deck tab break the other day. The tab on the
fuselage next to the flaperon bearing support. Before I do a hatchet
job does anyone have a good way to fix this problem? Can I just remove
the fabric around the area, make a new tab, weld, then put new fabric on
the opening to close it up? I hope I don't have to recover the whole
fuselage. If I can do the smaller fabric job, I could use the
opportunity to change the flaperon bearing mount, it's looks like the
original design. Any help would be appreciated.
--------
J. Henry Hall
Kitfox II, 582, Tundra Tires,
rusty pilot.
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| Subject: | Landing gear in correct position??? |
Hi!
I=B4d like to know if my spring aluminium (Grove Type) landing gear is
in correct position.
with this configuration, could be dangerous to land?
Photos attached.
Tks
Francisco Drovetta
Kitfox IV "brazilian version" with Cont O-200
S=E3o Paulo, SP
Brazil
www.dcubj3.com.br
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On Sat, January 17, 2009 6:30 am, fox5flyer wrote:
> One of the things you need to remember about the Maule mechanicals is that, because
of
> the way the cam action works, the looser the steering springs the easier it will
break
> loose. Keep the slack out of them, they don't break loose so easily, and they're
much
> easier to manage. I don't believe that the angle of the leaf springs has anything
to
> do with the breakout. However, they can definitely be a factor on shimmy problems.
> Of course, my opinion only. Tailwheels and their setup is a personal preference
and
> there is probably no "right way".
It's not the leaf spring angle, it is the axis of steering rotation that is the
problem. In elevation view from the side, it the lower end points forward from
vertical then it will be easy to move the wheel into a turned position because
the
tail drops a little as it turns. The traction of the tire provides the returning
force. Consequently if this angle is too far forward you have potential for a lot
of
shimmy. Shimmy can be reduced by using dissimilar safety springs.
If the axis of turning rotation points to the rear to much it will be difficult
to
start a turn because that requires the tail to lift as it increases turn angle.
But
the wheel finds it easy to return to the trailing position.
The ideal angle is vertical when the airplane is loaded to max gross weight and
the CG
is the farthest aft part of the envelope. So, as Lynn has shown in his excellent
photo, the unloaded tail spring will show this axis slightly pointing forward.
The problems in operation occur when that axis is two far forward or too far back.
Forward makes initiating a turn easy but straightening back up more difficult and
likely will cause shimmy. Too far back and inducing a turn is difficult but it
will
return to a straight trailing position easily.
Tail wheel release occurs when the caster angle is greater than 40. When it is
released your rudder controls do nothing to steer the tail wheel. If your caster
angle
is too far forward the tail wheel can easily kick out to the side and you have
no
control. Matco has two release angle options, 25 and 40.
Look at the pictures and description of the proper setup in this document. (pg
14-17)
<http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/Maule_Tailwheel.pdf>
This is a real nice writeup especially for Maule Tail Wheels.
One thing important to note from Lynn's comment and nice photo is that the angle
of
the tail wheel spring is about 45% near the tail wheel mount. "This works well
for
me". That is important in the tail wheel dynamics because when it bounces the caster
angle changes to the rear and the that favors the tail wheel to straighten up in
a
bounce.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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Paul
you have it exactly right with this explanation.
When stationary if I push left and right rudder my tail is actually forced
to left because of the angular displacement.
Gary
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On Sat, January 17, 2009 6:30 am, fox5flyer wrote:
> One of the things you need to remember about the Maule mechanicals is
that, because of
> the way the cam action works, the looser the steering springs the easier
it will break
> loose. Keep the slack out of them, they don't break loose so easily,
and they're much
> easier to manage. I don't believe that the angle of the leaf springs
has anything to
> do with the breakout. However, they can definitely be a factor on
shimmy problems.
> Of course, my opinion only. Tailwheels and their setup is a personal
preference and
> there is probably no "right way".
It's not the leaf spring angle, it is the axis of steering rotation that
is the
problem. In elevation view from the side, it the lower end points forward
from
vertical then it will be easy to move the wheel into a turned position
because the
tail drops a little as it turns. The traction of the tire provides the
returning
force. Consequently if this angle is too far forward you have potential
for a lot of
shimmy. Shimmy can be reduced by using dissimilar safety springs.
If the axis of turning rotation points to the rear to much it will be
difficult to
start a turn because that requires the tail to lift as it increases turn
angle. But
the wheel finds it easy to return to the trailing position.
The ideal angle is vertical when the airplane is loaded to max gross
weight and the CG
is the farthest aft part of the envelope. So, as Lynn has shown in his
excellent
photo, the unloaded tail spring will show this axis slightly pointing
forward.
The problems in operation occur when that axis is two far forward or too
far back.
Forward makes initiating a turn easy but straightening back up more
difficult and
likely will cause shimmy. Too far back and inducing a turn is difficult
but it will
return to a straight trailing position easily.
Tail wheel release occurs when the caster angle is greater than 40=B0. When
it is
released your rudder controls do nothing to steer the tail wheel. If your
caster angle
is too far forward the tail wheel can easily kick out to the side and you
have no
control. Matco has two release angle options, 25=B0 and 40=B0.
Look at the pictures and description of the proper setup in this document.
(pg 14-17)
<http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/Maule=5FTailwheel.pdf>
This is a real nice writeup especially for Maule Tail Wheels.
One thing important to note from Lynn's comment and nice photo is that the
angle of
the tail wheel spring is about 45% near the tail wheel mount. "This works
well for
me". That is important in the tail wheel dynamics because when it bounces
the caster
angle changes to the rear and the that favors the tail wheel to straighten
up in a
bounce.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
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I was wondering why you were so concerned, Noel, you being a water
rudder and ventral fin kind of a guy. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Jan 17, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> If I ever get my plane back on wheels I'll give that a try.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:47 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
>
>
> Yes, they are exactly that loose. I like them that way, as it lets me
> dance a bit without anything happening, I guess. I've landed at all
> sorts of strips across the country....grass, grass and rocks, paved,
> concrete, Dekes : ), snow, ice, lakes...just about anything I can
> think of, and whether it's just because it's how I got used to it
> when getting instruction (instructor didn't said a word then or now,
> and he sees it every time I fly over there to hang out/work), or
> what, but it works for me. I've tried them loose like this and
> tight....I've tried with the Maule anti-shimmy springs, the unequal
> compression-type springs, and this seems to work the best for me. The
> Maule anti-shimmy, just to give them their due, were installed before
> I had even one minute of training in a tailwheel. I couldn't get them
> to steer to the left, I think it was, so I took them off (free to
> anybody who wants to pay for shipping) and haven't even thought about
> them since. Apparently there is something about my setup that works
> just fine for me and my style of landing and taxiing, so I'm leaving
> it alone...and believe me my CFI is very outspoken about EVERYTHING,
> so he would have slapped me up side the head if he thought there was
> something wrong.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
>> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>>
>> Lynn:
>>
>> Are your rudder springs as loose as they appear in the picture or
>> am I
>> seeing things...Darn glasses! Doh!
>>
>> Noel
>
>
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Sorry again list, this was a reply to what I thought was a personal e-mail.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
>
> Lynn,
>
> I don't want to complain on list for obvious reasons, but the Supersport
> parts the factory sells as aftermarket replacements for the older
> airplanes bothers me a bit. I am glad they are resurrectng the IV for the
> third iteration, so maybe we will have some dedicated parts again for our
> IVs.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
>
>
>>
>> You're right, Lowell, and I've been meaning to take the short leaf off,
>> but haven't gotten around to it yet.
>> When my original two-leaf broke, it happened at my CFI's place, and by
>> the time I got back there (two days later) to pick up the broken leaf,
>> he had already tossed it out so I didn't get a chance to see exactly
>> where it broke.
>> My tail weight is 43 lbs, just for the record.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> New skis done and flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Wow,
>>>
>>> That three leaf spring looks like a lot of beef to support the 45 lbs.
>>> typical on a Model IV or lighter, I presume, on earlier models. I
>>> suspect, I would eliminate the third spring which doesn't add strength
>>> where the typical break is but rather just adds stiffness which I doubt
>>> is necessary for a IV or earlier. What kind of weight is on the
>>> tailwheel of a big Kitfox?
>>>
>>> Lowell Fitt
>>> Cameron Park, CA
>>> Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
>>> Just about ready to cover fuselage and left wing.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Hi=2C That Kitfox looks like the Model IV-1050. Is that correct=2C and how
much does it weigh?
Clint
From: dcubj3@terra.com.brTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List:
Landing gear in correct position???Date: Sat=2C 17 Jan 2009 21:15:48 -0200
Hi!
I=B4d like to know if my spring aluminium (Grove Type) landing gear is in c
orrect position.
with this configuration=2C could be dangerous to land?
Photos attached.
Tks
Francisco DrovettaKitfox IV "brazilian version" with Cont O-200S=E3o Paulo
=2C SP
Brazil
www.dcubj3.com.br
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear in correct position??? |
Mr. Clint
Empty Weight: 882 lb.
Tks
Francisco Drovetta
Kitfox IV "brazilian version" with Cont O-200
S=E3o Paulo, SP
Brazil
www.dcubj3.com.br
----- Original Message -----
From: Clint Bazzill
To: Kitfox list
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:26 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Landing gear in correct position???
Hi, That Kitfox looks like the Model IV-1050. Is that correct, and
how much does it weigh?
Clint
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: dcubj3@terra.com.br
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing gear in correct position???
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:15:48 -0200
Hi!
I=B4d like to know if my spring aluminium (Grove Type) landing gear is
in correct position.
with this configuration, could be dangerous to land?
Photos attached.
Tks
Francisco Drovetta
Kitfox IV "brazilian version" with Cont O-200
S=E3o Paulo, SP
Brazil
www.dcubj3.com.br
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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
17/1/2009 17:50
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear in correct position??? |
WOW, it looks too far rearward to me. Have you weighed it yet? Have
you flown it yet? With an O-200 in there it looks to me like it would
be WAY heavy on the main wheels, but somebody with more O-200
experience could help more than me, but I'm pretty sure it's too far
to the rear. You are using the 2nd and 3rd float brackets, and it
looks like the 1st brackets are gone. That may have something to do
with the "Brazilian Version" but it looks strange to me. It almost
looks like the Grove gear was installed with the idea that it was
going to be a nose-gear plane.
I would have to say, yes, it looks dangerous to land. How hard is it
to lift the tailwheel by hand?
VERY nice-looking plane otherwise...beautiful!
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 17, 2009, at 6:15 PM, Francisco Drovetta wrote:
> Hi!
> Id like to know if my spring aluminium (Grove Type) landing gear
> is in correct position.
> with this configuration, could be dangerous to land?
> Photos attached.
> Tks
>
>
> Francisco Drovetta
> Kitfox IV "brazilian version" with Cont O-200
> So Paulo, SP
> Brazil
>
> www.dcubj3.com.br
>
>
> <Cpia (2) de Cpia de DSC06741.JPG>
> <Cpia (3) de Cpia de DSC06738.JPG>
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Don't need one of those in the furture. How are things going? Haven't hea
rd from you for a long time.
Clint> From: noelloveys@yahoo.ca> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject: R
E: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel> Date: Sat=2C 17 Jan 2009 18:46:55 -0330> > -->
Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>> > If I
ever get my plane back on wheels I'll give that a try.> > Noel> > -----Orig
inal Message-----> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:ow
ner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson> Sent: Sat
urday=2C January 17=2C 2009 5:47 PM> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> Subject
tteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>> > Yes=2C they are exactly that loose. I like the
m that way=2C as it lets me > dance a bit without anything happening=2C I g
uess. I've landed at all > sorts of strips across the country....grass=2C g
rass and rocks=2C paved=2C > concrete=2C Dekes : )=2C snow=2C ice=2C lakes.
..just about anything I can > think of=2C and whether it's just because it'
s how I got used to it > when getting instruction (instructor didn't said a
word then or now=2C > and he sees it every time I fly over there to hang o
ut/work)=2C or > what=2C but it works for me. I've tried them loose like th
is and > tight....I've tried with the Maule anti-shimmy springs=2C the uneq
ual > compression-type springs=2C and this seems to work the best for me. T
he > Maule anti-shimmy=2C just to give them their due=2C were installed bef
ore > I had even one minute of training in a tailwheel. I couldn't get them
> to steer to the left=2C I think it was=2C so I took them off (free to >
anybody who wants to pay for shipping) and haven't even thought about > the
m since. Apparently there is something about my setup that works > just fin
e for me and my style of landing and taxiing=2C so I'm leaving > it alone..
.and believe me my CFI is very outspoken about EVERYTHING=2C > so he would
have slapped me up side the head if he thought there was > something wrong.
> > Lynn Matteson> Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger> Jabiru 2200=2C #2062
=2C 600.2 hrs> Sensenich 62x46> Electroair direct-fire ignition system> New
skis done and flying> > > > > On Jan 17=2C 2009=2C at 2:33 PM=2C Noel Love
@yahoo.ca>> >> > Lynn:> >> > Are your rudder springs as loose as they appea
r in the picture or am I> > seeing things...Darn glasses! Doh!> >> > Noel>
==================> > >
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| Subject: | Landing gear in correct position??? |
Lookint at the picture again=2C must be a Series 5. Single brace to Horiz
stab. Clint
From: dcubj3@terra.com.brTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kitfox-L
ist: Landing gear in correct position???Date: Sat=2C 17 Jan 2009 22:44:14 -
0200
Mr. Clint
Empty Weight: 882 lb.
Tks
Francisco DrovettaKitfox IV "brazilian version" with Cont O-200S=E3o Paulo
=2C SP
Brazil
www.dcubj3.com.br
----- Original Message -----
From: Clint Bazzill
Sent: Saturday=2C January 17=2C 2009 10:26 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Landing gear in correct position???
Hi=2C That Kitfox looks like the Model IV-1050. Is that correct=2C and how
much does it weigh? Clint
From: dcubj3@terra.com.brTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Kitfox-List:
Landing gear in correct position???Date: Sat=2C 17 Jan 2009 21:15:48 -0200
Hi!
I=B4d like to know if my spring aluminium (Grove Type) landing gear is in c
orrect position.
with this configuration=2C could be dangerous to land?
Photos attached.
Tks
Francisco DrovettaKitfox IV "brazilian version" with Cont O-200S=E3o Paulo
=2C SP
Brazil
www.dcubj3.com.br
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Just to help illustrate the caster angle thing, if folks will recall
the dragsters of days gone by where they had the front axle leaned
way back (mine was that way, too), to help with the straight line
steering, but man-oh-man was it a bear to turn either way...the
wheels would stay straight when going straight, but when we had to
back up, those front wheels would flop from side to side if the axle
was tilted too far back, which is positive caster. The reason for
positive caster or kingpin inclination is to make the wheels follow
the projected weight of the vehicle through a line drawn through the
kingpin and which will be pointed at the ground at a point in front
of the wheels. If these conditions are met, the wheels will follow
the vehicle when it is moving forward, like...ta-da!...a castering
grocery cart or caster wheel. Is that about right, Paul? (I'm no
engineer, just a shade-tree wrench-turner)
By the way, thanks for finding that Maule tailwheel article. I've got
it in print from a while back, but I've always dreaded losing a page
or two when I loan it out.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 17, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Paul Franz - Merlin GT wrote:
> <paul@eucleides.com>
> Look at the pictures and description of the proper setup in this
> document. (pg 14-17)
>
> <http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/Maule_Tailwheel.pdf>
>
> This is a real nice writeup especially for Maule Tail Wheels.
>
> One thing important to note from Lynn's comment and nice photo is
> that the angle of
> the tail wheel spring is about 45% near the tail wheel mount. "This
> works well for
> me". That is important in the tail wheel dynamics because when it
> bounces the caster
> angle changes to the rear and the that favors the tail wheel to
> straighten up in a
> bounce.
>
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear in correct position??? |
Really? I thought if might be even earlier than a IV because of the
short fin and rudder....looks short to me, anyway. Maybe the reg
number of -KFV is a clue...Kit Fox V?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Jan 17, 2009, at 8:01 PM, Clint Bazzill wrote:
> Lookint at the picture again, must be a Series 5. Single brace to
> Horiz stab. ClintFrom: dcubj3@terra.com.br
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing gear in correct position???
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:44:14 -0200
>
> Mr. Clint
> Empty Weight: 882 lb.
>
> Tks
>
> Francisco Drovetta
> Kitfox IV "brazilian version" with Cont O-200
> So Paulo, SP
> Brazil
>
> www.dcubj3.com.br
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Clint Bazzill
> To: Kitfox list
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:26 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Landing gear in correct position???
>
>
> Hi, That Kitfox looks like the Model IV-1050. Is that correct, and
> how much does it weigh?
>
> Clint
>
>
> From: dcubj3@terra.com.br
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing gear in correct position???
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:15:48 -0200
>
>
> Hi!
> Id like to know if my spring aluminium (Grove Type) landing gear
> is in correct position.
> with this configuration, could be dangerous to land?
> Photos attached.
> Tks
>
>
> Francisco Drovetta
> Kitfox IV "brazilian version" with Cont O-200
> So Paulo, SP
> Brazil
>
> www.dcubj3.com.br
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> Id like to know if my spring aluminium (Grove Type) landing gear is in correct
position.
> with this configuration, could be dangerous to land?
> Photos attached.
> Tks
> Francisco Drovetta
Francisco, It is difficult to tell from the picture. It looks like the main wheels
would be several inches behind the wing leading edge if the plane was leveled
for weighing? It also appears the nose is longer than a stock model 4.
What is the measurement from wing leading edge to the prop?
If you could also tell us the weights and arms you recorded for weight and balance
it would give someone something to compare too.
As is it looks to be easy to nose over if brakes are used very hard.
--------
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Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
Read this topic online here:
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On Sat, January 17, 2009 5:13 pm, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> Just to help illustrate the caster angle thing, if folks will recall
> the dragsters of days gone by where they had the front axle leaned
> way back (mine was that way, too), to help with the straight line
> steering, but man-oh-man was it a bear to turn either way...the
> wheels would stay straight when going straight, but when we had to
> back up, those front wheels would flop from side to side if the axle
> was tilted too far back, which is positive caster. The reason for
> positive caster or kingpin inclination is to make the wheels follow
> the projected weight of the vehicle through a line drawn through the
> kingpin and which will be pointed at the ground at a point in front
> of the wheels.
Since the wheel's axle is offset to the rear of the center of the axis of turning
rotation that will always be true, no matter what the caster angle is. I was trying
to
avoid introducing positive or negative notation so as not to confuse so if the
top of
the king pin is forward of the bottom, that induces the caster wheel to follow
straight but makes it more difficult to turn. That's because turning the tail wheel
raises the airplane tail. If the lower end is forward, it is easy to induce a turn
but
harder to straighten up. Also, this is a real shimmy situation. Lots of dynamics
are
involved. Having the tail wheel spring at a 45 angle makes for more rearward travel
and rotates the caster angle pointing the king pin down and to the rear in a bounce
which tends to straighten out the path of the tail wheel. It also means you can
have a
lighter and less stiff spring.
If the tail wheel spring is tapered the bending stresses in the spring will be
a
little closer to uniform. If you use a two leaf spring and taper both leaves you
could
have the highest bending moment occur in the lower (longer) spring leaf right at
the
end of the short leaf. Then if it broke, it would still be a satisfactory skid
keeping
the rudder off the ground. Another reason to have the single leaf part at least
at a
45 angle. This allows you to have less stiff, shorter and lighter spring leafs.
> If these conditions are met, the wheels will follow
> the vehicle when it is moving forward, like...ta-da!...a castering
> grocery cart or caster wheel. Is that about right, Paul? (I'm no
> engineer, just a shade-tree wrench-turner)
I'm not certain of your description but you might have it opposite. Look at the
pictures and description in pages 14 to 17 of that Maule wheel paper.
Yours works well because it is setup well as near as I can tell. The caster angle
shown in your photo is without any loading. When you put more weight on that wheel
when you climb in, and fill it up with fuel, that kingpin angle gets much closer
to
straight up and down. The guy that wrote that Maule article liked it a little back
at
the bottom even though that makes steering forces higher, he liked the stability
and
tracking that provides.
As near as I can tell the best caster angle for the king pin is straight up and
down
in the highest tail wheel loading allowable for the airplane. That would be max
gross
weight with CG at the rear most part of the allowable weight and balance envelope.
That's why it's OK to have it a little forward as shown in your picture which is
in
the unloaded configuration.
> By the way, thanks for finding that Maule tailwheel article. I've got
> it in print from a while back, but I've always dreaded losing a page
> or two when I loan it out.
I had to spend some time digging to find that one. I researched the dickens out
of
this around 1995 and that was before the KF list was on Don Pearsall's watch and
I
havent been able to find those old archives and I have a stack of old hard drives
which I'd have to search through. I had found a real nice paper that covered design
and operation of tail wheels and it even covered big ones like on a DC-3.
Some of the pilots with the most experience are now well into their 90's now but
I
know a couple with a lot of post WW II tail dragger experience to talk to. My Dad
and
my uncle!
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | LAT Flying through Canada |
Lynn:
I'm not sure but I think a Sport Pilot can fly in Canada if he has the
aviation medical. That of course nullifies the reason for the sport pilot
license in the first place. Anyone with a PPL there is definitely no
problem.
While I think of it... I was talking to a raft of Transport Canada (TC)
inspectors on Friday. I asked about over flying without the 406 mHz ELT.
The consensus was no one wanted to say yes or no. They all felt there was
some merit to my contention that because the planes would be N numbered that
they were flying on foreign authority, therefore legal...(Canadian
Reciprocal agreements) Most of the guys said they will get back to me. As
soon as I hear anything I'll let you know. BTW the time frame for the
implementation of the law that requires the 406 has been set back because of
a bit of Canadian political fang-dangling. It was supposed to come into
effect on Feb 1 '09 but now they are saying mar 15 (good day Caesar!) is a
better estimate. After February there is more pressing legislation for the
government to get passed before the summer break so there is a real
possibility that the law won't be enacted before fall. Our Government like
the one south of the 49th makes snails look like light speeders! In the
mean time I'll call again on Monday and ask about the sport pilot flying...
I'm almost sure this has come up before and the decision was to allow it if
they had the class 3(?) U.S. Aviation Medical.
There is a bit of personal good news. TC has passed over all the licensing
of amateur built aircraft to the Recreational Aircraft Association. After
several calls I finally contacted the RAA person who trains the inspectors
for eastern Canada. He said I wouldn't have to go through all the hassle of
deregistering and re-registering my plane because of the engine change
(mod). All he wants is for me to do either a W&B amendment or a new W&B and
apply for a new special C of A.
Sigtaturea
Noel Loveys
Campbellton, NL, Canada
CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
912 almost installed
Aerocet 1100 floats
noelloveys@yahoo.ca
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:40 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put
to use
[quote="Lynn Matteson"]Sounds like cousin Leni is soon gonna have his own
lil squadron up
there what with he and his brother and you and all....: ) I'd go up
there too, if I could figure a way around Canada's rule about keepin'
Sport Pilots out of their airspace. : (
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
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What I was trying to describe is exactly what is shown in the
illustration on page 17 of the article....that if a line projected
through the centerline of the kingpin contacts the ground *ahead* of
the point of contact of the wheel with the ground, that wheel will
follow the vehicle to which the kingpin is attached...as in the
caster wheel on your bed, the grocery cart, your bedroom dresser. The
amount of *offset* as he calls it, only matters in the amount of
difficulty of turning effort, not whether or not the wheel will
follow the vehicle to which it is attached, and of course pushing the
vehicle backwards will require more effort until the wheel is once
again following the vehicle. If this kingpin is angled as in the
illustration, the turning effort will increase as does the angle of
the inclination *of* the kingpin. If the kingpin is absolutely
vertical, the turning effort is negligible, but the tendency to
wobble is exaggerated. The reason a grocery cart wheel wobbles is
because those kingpins are vertical. If they made the kingpin on an
angle, there would be no wobble, but turning the cart would become
more difficult, because as you said, it makes the cart have to raise,
and those Moms out there are havin' enough trouble raisin' the
*kids*, let alone the carts. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Jan 17, 2009, at 8:59 PM, Paul Franz - Merlin GT wrote:
> <paul@eucleides.com>
>
>> If these conditions are met, the wheels will follow
>> the vehicle when it is moving forward, like...ta-da!...a castering
>> grocery cart or caster wheel. Is that about right, Paul? (I'm no
>> engineer, just a shade-tree wrench-turner)
>
> I'm not certain of your description but you might have it opposite.
> Look at the
> pictures and description in pages 14 to 17 of that Maule wheel paper.
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
>
>
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I've set up several tail dragger planes on conventional gear and they all
had reasonable tension on the springs between the rudder and the tail wheel
specified. I can see why you did it with the lightness and quickness of the
Kitfox. The 185 actually has a lock to keep the tail wheel straight when the
tail is lifted. When you line up for the take off you lock the tail wheel
straight.
You are right about the float plane though. My Aerocet floats only have one
rudder it has been modified to about double the size but I'd certainly
appreciate double rudders especially if there is any breeze at all. I have
had some minor problems getting the plane to turn downwind in a stiff
breeze.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
I was wondering why you were so concerned, Noel, you being a water
rudder and ventral fin kind of a guy. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Jan 17, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> If I ever get my plane back on wheels I'll give that a try.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:47 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
>
>
> Yes, they are exactly that loose. I like them that way, as it lets me
> dance a bit without anything happening, I guess. I've landed at all
> sorts of strips across the country....grass, grass and rocks, paved,
> concrete, Dekes : ), snow, ice, lakes...just about anything I can
> think of, and whether it's just because it's how I got used to it
> when getting instruction (instructor didn't said a word then or now,
> and he sees it every time I fly over there to hang out/work), or
> what, but it works for me. I've tried them loose like this and
> tight....I've tried with the Maule anti-shimmy springs, the unequal
> compression-type springs, and this seems to work the best for me. The
> Maule anti-shimmy, just to give them their due, were installed before
> I had even one minute of training in a tailwheel. I couldn't get them
> to steer to the left, I think it was, so I took them off (free to
> anybody who wants to pay for shipping) and haven't even thought about
> them since. Apparently there is something about my setup that works
> just fine for me and my style of landing and taxiing, so I'm leaving
> it alone...and believe me my CFI is very outspoken about EVERYTHING,
> so he would have slapped me up side the head if he thought there was
> something wrong.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
>> <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>>
>> Lynn:
>>
>> Are your rudder springs as loose as they appear in the picture or
>> am I
>> seeing things...Darn glasses! Doh!
>>
>> Noel
>
>
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I smiled when I saw it ;-)
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
Sorry again list, this was a reply to what I thought was a personal e-mail.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
>
> Lynn,
>
> I don't want to complain on list for obvious reasons, but the Supersport
> parts the factory sells as aftermarket replacements for the older
> airplanes bothers me a bit. I am glad they are resurrectng the IV for the
> third iteration, so maybe we will have some dedicated parts again for our
> IVs.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
>
>
>>
>> You're right, Lowell, and I've been meaning to take the short leaf off,
>> but haven't gotten around to it yet.
>> When my original two-leaf broke, it happened at my CFI's place, and by
>> the time I got back there (two days later) to pick up the broken leaf,
>> he had already tossed it out so I didn't get a chance to see exactly
>> where it broke.
>> My tail weight is 43 lbs, just for the record.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> New skis done and flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Wow,
>>>
>>> That three leaf spring looks like a lot of beef to support the 45 lbs.
>>> typical on a Model IV or lighter, I presume, on earlier models. I
>>> suspect, I would eliminate the third spring which doesn't add strength
>>> where the typical break is but rather just adds stiffness which I doubt
>>> is necessary for a IV or earlier. What kind of weight is on the
>>> tailwheel of a big Kitfox?
>>>
>>> Lowell Fitt
>>> Cameron Park, CA
>>> Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
>>> Just about ready to cover fuselage and left wing.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 912S Ignition Wiring Question |
I'm nearing the completion of a Model 7 with a 912S installed and added oil
to the engine today. While I had the plugs pulled to purge air from the oil
system, I checked for spark by cranking the engine with the starter and found
none (the plug body was grounded to the engine case). Based on some
preliminary checks, it appears that the ignition coil wires to the ignition switch
are grounded while in the ignition switch is in the "both" position.
I'm planning to trouble shoot a bit more tomorrow and plan to start by
disconnecting the "brown" wires from the ignition module to the ignition switch
and see if I have a spark. Can anyone confirm that this would be the correct
approach? It seems to me that the ignition switch simply grounds the ignition
coil(s) to eliminate spark with the key in the "off" position (and of course
the left and right coil with the key in the appropriate position). With the
ignition switch out of the ignition coil loop, I assume I should have
continuous spark as I crank the engine over with the starter. Can anyone confirm?
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: LAT Flying through Canada |
Good show, Noel! (on the engine change)
Canada needs to further their reciprocal agreements to include the
Sport Pilot...period! And of course I don't have, or WON'T try for
the medical. I've seen too many guys go to the doc and the doc says
"you appear to be in good health, let's get you
tested".....ERRRNNNNDDDTTT!!!!!! red light flashes, you fail, no
more flying! I ain't havin' none of that shi-! I know guys that are
flying w/o a medical, and more power to 'em...until they get caught,
then they are busted for good. At least with a Sport Pilot
certificate, I'm legal as long as I can drag my weary bones up to the
counter every 4 years, wipe the drool off my chin, smile for the
camera, then have my attendant wheel me out to my
airplane...well...almost like that. : )
And so far, I don't think that SP's are falling out of the skies in
any great numbers, so the thinking about using a current drivers'
license in lieu of a medical must have some merit.
"allow it if they had the class 3(?) U.S. Aviation Medical." ??
Allow a person to fly as a Sport Pilot if they have a Medical?
That's like allowing a person to apply a band-aid if they have a
surgeon's license. Methinks they need to rethink this one...
Hey, Noel, did you get from those pictures what you needed? I posted
a test picture to Matronics Kitfox forum like Paul described, but I
haven't seen it, or the email announcing it.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 17, 2009, at 9:57 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> Lynn:
>
>
> I'm not sure but I think a Sport Pilot can fly in Canada if he has
> the aviation medical. That of course nullifies the reason for the
> sport pilot license in the first place. Anyone with a PPL there is
> definitely no problem.
>
>
> While I think of it... I was talking to a raft of Transport Canada
> (TC) inspectors on Friday. I asked about over flying without the
> 406 mHz ELT. The consensus was no one wanted to say yes or no.
> They all felt there was some merit to my contention that because
> the planes would be N numbered that they were flying on foreign
> authority, therefore legal...(Canadian Reciprocal agreements) Most
> of the guys said they will get back to me. As soon as I hear
> anything I'll let you know. BTW the time frame for the
> implementation of the law that requires the 406 has been set back
> because of a bit of Canadian political fang-dangling. It was
> supposed to come into effect on Feb 1 '09 but now they are saying
> mar 15 (good day Caesar!) is a better estimate. After February
> there is more pressing legislation for the government to get passed
> before the summer break so there is a real possibility that the law
> won't be enacted before fall. Our Government like the one south of
> the 49th makes snails look like light speeders! In the mean time
> I'll call again on Monday and ask about the sport pilot flying...
> I'm almost sure this has come up before and the decision was to
> allow it if they had the class 3(?) U.S. Aviation Medical.
>
>
> There is a bit of personal good news. TC has passed over all the
> licensing of amateur built aircraft to the Recreational Aircraft
> Association. After several calls I finally contacted the RAA
> person who trains the inspectors for eastern Canada. He said I
> wouldn't have to go through all the hassle of deregistering and re-
> registering my plane because of the engine change (mod). All he
> wants is for me to do either a W&B amendment or a new W&B and apply
> for a new special C of A.
>
>
> <image001.jpg>
>
>
> Noel Loveys
>
> Campbellton, NL, Canada
>
> CDN AME intern, PP-Rec
>
> C-FINB, Kitfox III-A
>
> 912 almost installed
>
> Aerocet 1100 floats
>
> noelloveys@yahoo.ca
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:40 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft
> being put to use
>
>
>
>
> [quote="Lynn Matteson"]Sounds like cousin Leni is soon gonna have
> his own lil squadron up
>
> there what with he and his brother and you and all....: ) I'd go up
>
> there too, if I could figure a way around Canada's rule about keepin'
>
> Sport Pilots out of their airspace. : (
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
>
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
>
> Sensenich 62x46
>
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>
> New skis done and flying
>
> do not archive
>
>
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On Sat, January 17, 2009 7:03 pm, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> What I was trying to describe is exactly what is shown in the
> illustration on page 17 of the article....that if a line projected
> through the centerline of the kingpin contacts the ground *ahead* of
> the point of contact of the wheel with the ground, that wheel will
> follow the vehicle to which the kingpin is attached.
OK, Lynn, in the picture on page 17 of this document
<http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/Maule_Tailwheel.pdf>
The red line is the steering axis of rotation. The blue line is for reference and
it
is a vertical line. As depicted, this makes for trailing stability, but increases
the
steering force. Notice the red line will always meet the ground ahead of the tire
to
ground contact point no matter which way you lean the king pin. This author likes
it
that way (as shown). Your photo shows the opposite lean but the wheel is not loaded.
If it were operated that way, it might shimmy, wobble or or oscillate especially
on
pavement where there is good friction.
>..as in the
> caster wheel on your bed, the grocery cart, your bedroom dresser. The
> amount of *offset* as he calls it, only matters in the amount of
> difficulty of turning effort, not whether or not the wheel will
> follow the vehicle to which it is attached,
Not so. It will trail straight with it positioned as shown. If the axis is pointed
forward on the bottom, when it pivots around the king pin from neutral it will
lower
the plane and it will favor such a move on its own. Also the force to straighten
out
direction is higher.
> and of course pushing the
> vehicle backwards will require more effort until the wheel is once
> again following the vehicle.
Of course, the wheel has to reverse and as it rotates past 40 it releases from
the
steering control too. Good point you make. Have it set for stability and you make
it
harder to reverse.
> If this kingpin is angled as in the
> illustration, the turning effort will increase as does the angle of
> the inclination *of* the kingpin. If the kingpin is absolutely
> vertical, the turning effort is negligible,
I'm with you and I agree.
> but the tendency to
> wobble is exaggerated.
But not at exactly vertical. There's no up-down forces induced by rotating the
caster
around the king pin.
Yours is angled ahead when unloaded. You have said it works fine which means to
me,
you haven't been aware of wobbling, but then again you have slack in your safety
springs.
> The reason a grocery cart wheel wobbles is
> because those kingpins are vertical.
More to it than that. The grocery tire has worn spots and chewing gum stuck in
lumps
on the tire so that at exactly a vertical king pin orientation oscillations are
induced.
> If they made the kingpin on an
> angle, there would be no wobble, but turning the cart would become
> more difficult,
Some of them are like that when the king pin and bushings are worn.
> because as you said, it makes the cart have to raise,
> and those Moms out there are havin' enough trouble raisin' the
> *kids*, let alone the carts. : )
What I want to know is what it feels like with less slack in your safety springs?
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear in correct position??? |
Francisco
On my series 5 the distance from the back of the gear leg to the center
of the strut attachment bracket hole is 29 1/4 inches. I hope this is
useful.
Jim series 5 0-200 under const.
Lake Elmo MN 21D
----- Original Message -----
From: Francisco Drovetta
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:15 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing gear in correct position???
Hi!
I=B4d like to know if my spring aluminium (Grove Type) landing gear is
in correct position.
with this configuration, could be dangerous to land?
Photos attached.
Tks
Francisco Drovetta
Kitfox IV "brazilian version" with Cont O-200
S=E3o Paulo, SP
Brazil
www.dcubj3.com.br
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