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1. 11:25 AM - Re: Landing gear in correct position??? (D. Morisse)
2. 01:10 PM - Re: Landing gear in correct position??? (Lynn Matteson)
3. 01:38 PM - Lynn's skylight ()
4. 03:56 PM - Re: Lynn's skylight (Lynn Matteson)
5. 04:21 PM - My webpage address (Peter Graichen)
6. 05:25 PM - Re: checking spark (Roger Lee)
7. 06:28 PM - Re: 6 gallon wing tanks enough (Av8r3400)
8. 07:05 PM - Re: 6 gallon wing tanks enough (av8rps)
9. 07:05 PM - Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to use (akflyer)
10. 07:15 PM - Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to use (AKFLYERBOB)
11. 07:24 PM - Re: 26 foot Clipped Wing Kitfox (av8rps)
12. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to use (Dee Young)
13. 07:33 PM - Re: 6 gallon wing tanks enough (av8rps)
14. 07:35 PM - Pictures of flying fun (Dee Young)
15. 07:38 PM - Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to use (akflyer)
16. 07:47 PM - New Sport Pilot is 70! (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
17. 08:16 PM - Re: Re: 26 foot Clipped Wing Kitfox (Guy Buchanan)
18. 08:33 PM - Re: 26 foot Clipped Wing Kitfox (akflyer)
19. 08:36 PM - Re: Pictures of flying fun (akflyer)
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear in correct position??? |
Agreed, Lynn. I had to take several "second looks" as things just didn't
seem right. Hopefully his weight and balance is OK. If not, I'd be afraid
go put the breaks on during landing. Sure is a nice looking airplane
though.
Deke
Snowing in NE MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing gear in correct position???
>
> Deke-
> I find it hard to be an illusion when the shot is straight onto the side
> of the plane...unless it's been altered (Photoshop is funny stuff). What
> we have to remember is that the plane is admittedly a "Brazilian version"
> by his own admission.
> I just looked at my plane's profile and it is nothing like Francisco's in
> the area of the tail.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2009, at 11:10 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
>
>>
>>> From what I can see of Francisco's airplane (very nice, might I add),
>>> it
>> appears to have some features of a model 5. Take a close look at the
>> horizontal stab. Not only will you see the single strut, but you'll see
>> where the front edge of the horizontal stab has the slots in the cover
>> for the stab workings so the horizontal stab leading edge can move up
>> and down with the trim which is typical of a 5. The vertical stab looks
>> a bit small for a 5, but that may be an illusion. The doors don't
>> appear to be typical of a 5, but more of a 4, but difficult to tell in
>> the photos. If it is a model 5, then it would also have had the grove
>> gear mount attach points welded in to the fuselage near the leading edge
>> of the seat. At least that's how mine came from the factory. Something
>> is definitely puzzling about it and yes, the gear does appear to be too
>> far back, but again, maybe just an illusion.
>> Pretty much all in life is but an illusion. Everything is just what
>> people tell you it is.
>> Deke Morisse
>> Mikado Michigan
>> S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
>> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
>> progress."
>> - Joseph Joubert
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing gear in correct position???
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On my IV, the distance from the center of the strut attachment hole to
>>> the leading edge of the Grove gear is 30 inches. The Grove gear
>>> attachment brackets on the Model IV utilize the front two pairs of
>>> float brackets on each side....the rear two pair are not used for
>>> landing gear on my plane. It looks like Francisco's gear is mounted
>>> too far back, but that's just my opinion.
>>>
>>> Lynn Matteson
>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>> New skis done and flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 17, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Zimmermans wrote:
>>>
>>>> Francisco
>>>> On my series 5 the distance from the back of the gear leg to the
>>>> center of the strut attachment bracket hole is 29 1/4 inches. I hope
>>>> this is useful.
>>>> Jim series 5 0-200 under const.
>>>> Lake Elmo MN 21D
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Francisco Drovetta
>>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:15 PM
>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing gear in correct position???
>>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>> Id like to know if my spring aluminium (Grove Type) landing gear is
>>>> in correct position.
>>>> with this configuration, could be dangerous to land?
>>>> Photos attached.
>>>> Tks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Francisco Drovetta
>>>> Kitfox IV "brazilian version" with Cont O-200
>>>> So Paulo, SP
>>>> Brazil
>>>>
>>>> www.dcubj3.com.br
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 3:09 PM
>>>> ============================================================ _-
>>>> ============================================================ _-
>>>> contribution_-
>>>> ===========================================================
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear in correct position??? |
Look again at the transition from the top of fuselage where it curves
up to the (larger IV) fin...the radius is smaller, and the fin is
shorter, than my IV.
Of course, it's already been established that it's not your normal
Stateside Kitfox IV, so I guess we're just rehashing old
stuff....wanna talk about tailwheels? : )
Yeah, I'm with you Deke, I wouldn't want to fly it until I was
absolutely certain it was within the spec'd weight and balance, and
just from the looks, I'd doubt it, unless there's a TON in the tail.
You've got a long moment in front of the mains, therefore a shorter
moment (it would seem) to the tail, so I don't see how it could be
within specs.
Good weather here, skis back on, oil changed, waiting for clear
weather for the Oshkosh trip.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Jan 18, 2009, at 2:42 PM, D. Morisse wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Agreed, Lynn. I had to take several "second looks" as things just
> didn't
> seem right. Hopefully his weight and balance is OK. If not, I'd
> be afraid
> go put the breaks on during landing. Sure is a nice looking airplane
> though.
> Deke
> Snowing in NE MI
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:45 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Landing gear in correct position???
>
>
>>
>> Deke-
>> I find it hard to be an illusion when the shot is straight onto
>> the side
>> of the plane...unless it's been altered (Photoshop is funny
>> stuff). What
>> we have to remember is that the plane is admittedly a "Brazilian
>> version"
>> by his own admission.
>> I just looked at my plane's profile and it is nothing like
>> Francisco's in
>> the area of the tail.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
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Lynn, just saw your article from the Sport Pilot magazine from the EAA website
and noticed your one piece tuttle deck and skylight. Was wondering how you
attahed your skylight? Looks like camlocks or screw rivets or something along
those lines. Were your afraid of cracking easily and did it this way so it could
easily be replaced? Ref the underwear picture: well--- if I had legs like
that, I'd wear long pants. Leon Morris/Classic 4/65%/Flower Mound,TX
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| Subject: | Re: Lynn's skylight |
Hi Leon-
The LP Aeroplastics turtledeck window is attached to the modified
Kitfox framework with 6-32 nuts and bolts. I took the folding feature
out when I installed the one-piece acrylic window. It attaches to the
fuselage with camlocks as shown in the building manual. The one-piece
windshield/skylight is held in place with 10-32's into two-lug anchor
nuts, which I riveted to the butt rib on the sides and to the rear
flange "thingy". The black material under the edge of the skylight
is a foam tape that I got from LP Aeroplastics.
I wasn't afraid if it cracking, but all the horror stories that I
heard about them doin that made me attach it with screws. I wouldn't
use rivets, as you have no control over the amount of tension that
you need to apply when securing the windshield/skylight or the
turtledeck for that matter. LP A recommends that machine screws be
used, and nylock nuts, so that they can be tightened just so that the
screw can still be turned...it needs to be able to move with
temperature changes. And also they say to drill the holes 30%
oversize to allow for movement. Following their instructions has
allowed me no cracks in over two years of flying, so they must know
of which they speak. : )
Rumors of my working in underwear has been greatly
exaggerated...those are shorts....and if you live in Texas and wear
long pants, you must have Air Conditioning. : ) What, no comments on
my beer gut? (I was trying to suck it in)
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 21, 2009, at 4:37 PM, <l.morris@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Lynn, just saw your article from the Sport Pilot magazine from
> the EAA website and noticed your one piece tuttle deck and
> skylight. Was wondering how you attahed your skylight? Looks like
> camlocks or screw rivets or something along those lines. Were your
> afraid of cracking easily and did it this way so it could easily be
> replaced? Ref the underwear picture: well--- if I had legs like
> that, I'd wear long pants. Leon Morris/Classic 4/65%/Flower
> Mound,TX
>
>
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| Subject: | My webpage address |
Hello Fellow Kitfox Flyers and Builders:
Roadrunner, my internet provider (IP) has changed the address of my webpage.
It is now http://home.roadrunner.com/~n10pg
Happy New Year to all and safe flying.
Peter Graichen
http:/home.roadrunner.com/~n10pg
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| Subject: | Re: checking spark |
Hi guys.
Just buy an AC power tester like the one pictured. It's about $12. Hold it up next
to the wire and it will flash with regular flashes if you have a good wire
and plug. If the wire is bad it won't flash or only once in a while.. It only
has to be next to the wire it doesn't have to touch it. You can diagnose an entire
wiring system in no time or find where a break in the plug wire is.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: 6 gallon wing tanks enough |
Paul - Be sure to give me a shout if you need a couple of extra hands during the
build. I'd like to do some hands-on learning before I take the plunge.
Maybe start looking for a project this summer... (Don't tell Julie. [Shocked]
)
-Larry W.
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Thanks,
Av8r3400
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| Subject: | Re: 6 gallon wing tanks enough |
Larry,
Good to see you here on the forum. Hang around here and you will learn all kinds
of good info about Kitfoxes.
I'll let you know when I need a hand or two. And I will definitely help you find
an airplane when you're ready. Oh yeah, and I won't tell your lovely bride!!!
Paul
Av8r3400 wrote:
> Paul - Be sure to give me a shout if you need a couple of extra hands during
the build. I'd like to do some hands-on learning before I take the plunge.
>
> Maybe start looking for a project this summer... (Don't tell Julie. [Shocked]
)
>
> -Larry W.
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Model IV-1200 912ul Amphib
Avid Flyer
Lake Amphibian
Central Wisconsin
paul676@tds.net
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| Subject: | Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to |
use
Few shot from playing today. Me and AKFLYERBOB.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to |
use
it was only 10 above and we had a great time gully washing!
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Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska
KF Mod I and III
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| Subject: | Re: 26 foot Clipped Wing Kitfox |
Guy,
I'm not following what you mean. What I meant about the flaperon change was that
in order to have a 26 foot wingspan Kitfox I will need to cut off a whole bay's
worth of flaperon so it matches up with the shorter span wing. I do have
a spare set of flaperons laying around that I can cut down for this use, but would
really prefer to be able to just slide on a flaperon extension like I would
the wing extension whenver I want a long full span wing. It would be much
easier and quicker to attach the flaperon extension (if possible) rather than
having to change both flaperons back and forth whenever the wing extensions are
removed or installed.
I'm wide open for any suggestions or ideas for an easily removed and installed
flaperon extension?
Paul
> Paul, I'd think hard about figuring out how to get the flaperons
> back. (Maybe a slide-in flaperon extension too.) I'd hate to fly a
> long-wing or Speedster with "inboard" flaperons.
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
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Model IV-1200 912ul Amphib
Avid Flyer
Lake Amphibian
Central Wisconsin
paul676@tds.net
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| Subject: | Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put |
to use
Leonard, good shots you took. Our weather is very similar, cold all
winter. The skis appear to be very similar to the original Kitfox skis?
Thanks
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 6 gallon wing tanks enough |
Mark,
Thanks for the input. Your experience once again confirms that I really need more
fuel. Thanks again. Good info.
Paul
markdonahue(at)earthlink. wrote:
> I have 2 6 gallon tanks and I wish I at least had one at 13 gallons. I have
> been Seattle to Oshkosh, so it will get there but it requires more planning,
> stops and sometimes nervous moments when you wished you had 5 more gallons
> of gas in reserve.
> mark Donahue, Kitfox 4 with 912 ul.
>
> --
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Model IV-1200 912ul Amphib
Avid Flyer
Lake Amphibian
Central Wisconsin
paul676@tds.net
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| Subject: | Pictures of flying fun |
Took these Friday of the Henrys Fork of the Snake River and the failed
Teton Dam site. Thought you all might enjoy them.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
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| Subject: | Re: Pictures and stories of Kitfox aircraft being put to |
use
The skis were made by airglass / Landes here in AK.
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Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | New Sport Pilot is 70! |
I sure did like the article and your photos, Lynn. I read it as a .PDF file I found
here;
<http://www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/2007%20-%2011%20November%20-%20Building,%20Flying%20and%20Enjoying%20Life%20at%2070.pdf>
Or as a TinyURL
<http://tinyurl.com/b6ooym>
How did you get that nice photo of you flying the plane taken from above on page
5?
I enjoyed your flight training story. I remember my first solo with 3 full stops
too.
The airplane trimmed so different and felt so different with just me in it that
I was
a bit apprehensive about doing something wrong like bouncing.
You sure have a nice clean looking well built KF.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: 26 foot Clipped Wing Kitfox |
At 07:23 PM 1/21/2009, you wrote:
>I do have a spare set of flaperons laying around that I can cut down
>for this use, but would really prefer to be able to just slide on a
>flaperon extension like I would the wing extension whenver I want a
>long full span wing. It would be much easier and quicker to attach
>the flaperon extension (if possible) rather than having to change
>both flaperons back and forth whenever the wing extensions are
>removed or installed.
That's what I meant; simply that you wouldn't want to
permanently shorten the flaperon. As to how to sleeve it, that's
another matter, but I think a short fiberglass sleeve with recessed
blind nuts allowing countersunk screws through the two flaperon
pieces would be sufficient. You could lay the fiberglass sleeve up
inside the cut flaperon. Don't worry about a good fit at the trailing
edge. Indeed I'd bring it around in a tubular fashion a couple inches
shy of the trailing edge.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: 26 foot Clipped Wing Kitfox |
A buddy here has an extended speed wing avid MK IV. The flaperon extension is
on the inboard end and is just a tube that plugs into the flaperon spar and extends
the spar into the fuse for the control hook up. You end up with a shorter
flaperon, but his plane fly's just fine and still has a very sporty roll rate.
The flaperon is just moved to the outboard panel when you put the extension
on so you don't end up with a very sluggish roll rate. I can get a pic of
it in the next day or two if it will help you visualize what I am talking about.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Pictures of flying fun |
Very nice! Heck, you have more snow that we do now. Last week we went from -35
to 42 above and raining in 36 hours. Rained for a week and is just now freezing
up again. Hoping for lots of snow this week!
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
As done as any plane will ever be.... cause now the tinkeritis takes over.
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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