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2. 03:53 AM - Re: My Series 5 - Testing picture upload (Lynn Matteson)
3. 03:53 AM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (Lynn Matteson)
4. 03:59 AM - Re: Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (Lynn Matteson)
5. 04:16 AM - Re: Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (Harold Flynn)
6. 04:24 AM - Re: Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (Harold Flynn)
7. 05:55 AM - Re: gap seal tapes (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
8. 06:43 AM - Re: My Series 5 - Testing picture upload (Catz631@aol.com)
9. 06:59 AM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (Guy Buchanan)
10. 09:24 AM - Re: My Series 5 - Testing picture upload (Lynn Matteson)
11. 10:13 AM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (Rexinator)
12. 11:00 AM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (George Wells)
13. 12:27 PM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (Lynn Matteson)
14. 12:55 PM - Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (image missing) (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
15. 01:49 PM - Re: My Series 5 - Testing picture upload ()
16. 02:08 PM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal (image attached, I hope) (Rexinator)
17. 02:26 PM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (image missing) (rexinator)
18. 07:07 PM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (John Bonewitz)
19. 07:08 PM - Re: My Series 5 - Testing picture upload (John Bonewitz)
20. 08:01 PM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (Weiss Richard)
21. 10:04 PM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
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| Subject: | Re: My Series 5 - Testing picture upload |
That works, and looks good, John.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Jan 30, 2009, at 11:28 PM, jbonewitz wrote:
>
> Just testing out the posting of photos to the forum. Here's a shot
> of my Series 5.
>
> John Bonewitz
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227820#227820
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/fox_at_keizer_112.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report |
Nope, no picture or drawing. Just visualize...after the inbibation
wears off....the flat surface of the stab and elevator, as viewed
from the side/edge, with the tape starting on the top left, and
crossing to the bottom right. (This of course assumes that you have
properly made the tape with an inch of the sticky surfaces against
each other so that the tape can be stuck down on the top left and
the bottom right) Now another tape from the bottom left crossing to
the top right. Where they pass by each other, they form an "X". Then
imagine a piece of tape 2" wide being placed from top of stab to
bottom of elev. (top left to bottom right), and next to it another
tape placed from bottom left to top right. Continue alternating tapes
until gap is sealed. I can imagine how this would look on a full-size
plane, and I don't like what I imagine. It worked fine on the models
and looked ok, and made an especially lightweight hinge. I personally
don't like the idea of this "over and under" tape application, as it
always leaves a place where junk can collect, no matter which way you
do it. I much prefer to let the elevator hang down, apply the tape
across the gap, and leave it at that. I use "racer's tape" that I
ordered in orange, which is the color of my plane in that area...the
color is not a perfect match...however, I can't see that mismatch
when I'm flying and neither can anybody else. The owners of "hangar
queens" would not like my reasoning, I'm sure.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 30, 2009, at 8:20 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> Lynn:
> do you have a picture or drawing of the X system?
> Second inbibation is starting to cut in and I'm having a problem
> visualizing your X setup.
>
> Noel
>
>
> --- On Fri, 1/30/09, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Received: Friday, January 30, 2009, 6:11 PM
>
>
> If you really want to drive yourself nuts over this gap sealing
> issue, try the
> "X" method instead of the "Z" method. We used the
> "X" method on our model planes.
> The "Z" method has been explained....from under (or over) the
> trailing portion of the hort. stab, to over (or under) the leading
> portion of
> the elevator, forming a "Z" when view from the side. The "X"
> method is just alternating the placement of lengths of 2" wide
> tape, over
> and under, then under and over, etc., until the gap is sealed. In the
> "X" method, you make strips of tape that go, say, 2" wide and
> from front to back, instead of the "Z" method where you run the tape
> from side of elevator to hinge, then hinge to hinge, and so on.
> The jury is still out on whether this is a good method or not...how
> 'bout
> some thoughts?
>
> As an aside, when this method is used in model planes, no hinge is
> needed, as
> the plastic covering material itself is used for the "gap seals" and
> in using the "X" method, the elevator operates freely without the use
> of hinges...not recommended for "live-in" airplanes.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Paul Franz - Merlin GT wrote:
>
> <paul@eucleides.com>
> >
> > On Fri, January 30, 2009 7:28 am, kirk hull wrote:
> >> Does anybody have pictures of the gap seal installation?
> >
> > I too would be interested in seeing photos. I'm interested in
> details
> of shape,
> > overlap and what happens to the slack when you run neutral or down
> elevator.
> >
> > Does the slack start to peel a tiny bit on either the stabilizer
> or the
> elevator with
> > dirt and debris sticking to the small exposed bit of adhesive?
> >
> > Which way is better to put them on - leading edge on top or
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report |
Good idea, but I'm from the camp that always wants to be able to take
something apart if a problem arises. I guess if a rock passed through
the elevator, you could always MEK the Vee off from the elevator, and
maybe reattach it when the repairs were made. A longer process, by
far, than the tape method, but cleaner-looking.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:37 AM, JC Propeller Design wrote:
> <propellerdesign@tele2.se>
>
> You can use that, but why not take 2 pieces sewn together at the
> middle and dope one Vee to stab and other to elevator.
>
> Or use sail fabric that is air tight from start
>
> Jan
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>
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>> <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
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>> Why not just use a piece of PolyFiber attached with Polytack to
>> seal the gap ??? It would be permanent, easy to do, and look
>> good ! Much better than tape.
>>
>> Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report |
A really good source for gap seal tape is found at (WINGS AND WHEELS Soarin
g Supplies-) They have everthing that you will ever need for gap seals.
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report |
A really good source for gap seal tape is (WINGS AND WHEELS soaring supplie
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| Subject: | Re: gap seal tapes |
On Sat, January 31, 2009 4:08 am, Harold Flynn wrote:
> A really good source for gap seal tape is (WINGS AND WHEELS soaring supplies)
They
> have everthing that youneed.
>
Good resource Harold. Thanks for pointing this one out.
Here's a link to the first of their two tapes pages. It has a nice installation
drawing.
<http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page28.htm>
Also, they show a recommended adhesive remover. I think this stuff is the same
as
"Goo-be-gone" or similar which is available in small quantities.
Here's their second page which has many of the tapes mentioned in previous postings
-
3M, etc.
<http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page29.htm>
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Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: My Series 5 - Testing picture upload |
WOOOOOHHHH ! is that a beautiful plane !!!! I am going to take mine back to
the "soap box derby" Dick Maddux
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report |
At 03:03 PM 1/30/2009, you wrote:
>Guy, I thought about using packing tape, but wondered how it would
>hold up to UV.
It works OK. I replace it about once a year or so. You have to make
sure it's the heavy duty stuff. Oh yes, we also discovered that it
doesn't stick very well unless the paint's really shiny in that area.
It wouldn't stick to my friend's Poly-tone finish. I suspect sail
repair tape would work much better there.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: My Series 5 - Testing picture upload |
It looks too shiny to be Poly-tone to me. I'd hazard a guess of
Aerothane or automobile paint.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Jan 31, 2009, at 5:09 AM, Paul Franz - Merlin GT wrote:
> <paul@eucleides.com>
>
> On Fri, January 30, 2009 8:28 pm, jbonewitz wrote:
>>
>> Just testing out the posting of photos to the forum. Here's a shot
>> of my Series 5.
>
> Nice looking. Is that Polytone? Obviously you mastered posting.
> Nice way to use the
> Kitfox List.
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report |
So has anyone thought of applying tape top and bottom with the adhesive
fully contacting each other in the gap? Something like this: >-<
It would be very difficult to do well unless you could design and
fabricate a special tool, but I think it could be done. I'm imagining
careful measurement of your gap and tape width then positioning the tape
on one side correctly such that it would allow the other side to be
applied and close all of the gap with no significant spaces or air bubbles.
I think a perfect tool might be a stiff rubber block shaped to follow
the half cross section of the intended gap seal. After the 1st side of
tape has been applied (bottom?) then the block could be clamped on that
side to hold the applied tape in the proper shape it would retain for
the gap if the other side was already installed. Then it should be
possible to lay the upper tape like positioning a large pre-cut decal.
Here's an attempt of a drawing of the cross section with the tape red,
block shape in black and a clamping bar in green.
Gap seal image
Anybody following my attempt to describe this concept?
Rex Hefferan
Colorado M2/582
Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> Nope, no picture or drawing. Just visualize...after the inbibation
> wears off....the flat surface of the stab and elevator, as viewed from
> the side/edge, with the tape starting on the top left, and crossing to
> the bottom right. (This of course assumes that you have properly made
> the tape with an inch of the sticky surfaces against each other so
> that the tape can be stuck down on the top left and the bottom right)
> Now another tape from the bottom left crossing to the top right. Where
> they pass by each other, they form an "X". Then imagine a piece of
> tape 2" wide being placed from top of stab to bottom of elev. (top
> left to bottom right), and next to it another tape placed from bottom
> left to top right. Continue alternating tapes until gap is sealed. I
> can imagine how this would look on a full-size plane, and I don't like
> what I imagine. It worked fine on the models and looked ok, and made
> an especially lightweight hinge. I personally don't like the idea of
> this "over and under" tape application, as it always leaves a place
> where junk can collect, no matter which way you do it. I much prefer
> to let the elevator hang down, apply the tape across the gap, and
> leave it at that. I use "racer's tape" that I ordered in orange, which
> is the color of my plane in that area...the color is not a perfect
> match...however, I can't see that mismatch when I'm flying and neither
> can anybody else. The owners of "hangar queens" would not like my
> reasoning, I'm sure.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2009, at 8:20 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
>> Lynn:
>> do you have a picture or drawing of the X system?
>> Second inbibation is starting to cut in and I'm having a problem
>> visualizing your X setup.
>>
>> Noel
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 1/30/09, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Received: Friday, January 30, 2009, 6:11 PM
>>
>>
>> If you really want to drive yourself nuts over this gap sealing
>> issue, try the
>> "X" method instead of the "Z" method. We used the
>> "X" method on our model planes.
>> The "Z" method has been explained....from under (or over) the
>> trailing portion of the hort. stab, to over (or under) the leading
>> portion of
>> the elevator, forming a "Z" when view from the side. The "X"
>> method is just alternating the placement of lengths of 2" wide tape,
>> over
>> and under, then under and over, etc., until the gap is sealed. In the
>> "X" method, you make strips of tape that go, say, 2" wide and
>> from front to back, instead of the "Z" method where you run the tape
>> from side of elevator to hinge, then hinge to hinge, and so on.
>> The jury is still out on whether this is a good method or not...how
>> 'bout
>> some thoughts?
>>
>> As an aside, when this method is used in model planes, no hinge is
>> needed, as
>> the plastic covering material itself is used for the "gap seals" and
>> in using the "X" method, the elevator operates freely without the use
>> of hinges...not recommended for "live-in" airplanes.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> New skis done and flying
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Paul Franz - Merlin GT wrote:
>>
>> <paul@eucleides.com>
>> >
>> > On Fri, January 30, 2009 7:28 am, kirk hull wrote:
>> >> Does anybody have pictures of the gap seal installation?
>> >
>> > I too would be interested in seeing photos. I'm interested in details
>> of shape,
>> > overlap and what happens to the slack when you run neutral or down
>> elevator.
>> >
>> > Does the slack start to peel a tiny bit on either the stabilizer or
>> the
>> elevator with
>> > dirt and debris sticking to the small exposed bit of adhesive?
>> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report |
-- Hi List -- Back in late 05 and again last year I bought Ski Tape
from Tognar Toolworks In Oregon.
I have used it on 3 planes and it works great and stands up well.
You can contact them as follows:
Tognar.com
1-800-299-9904
E-Mail --- Info@Tognar.com
I hope this helps !
George --
KF5 100Hp Rotax
KCOE
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report |
I'm following you, Rex...I just don't see the drawing, just the >-<
that you typed in...and that's basically what I tried to describe
with the top left-to-bottom right explanation that was confusing me,
let alone others. But why any tape at all, if a rubber/neoprene/
whatever block could be made that would fill the gap and be wedged
into place, loose enough to allow movement, but not blow out?
Something shaped like two "C's" in cross section, back-to-back with
an "O" between them, more or less. The tops of the "C's" could be
tangent to one another if that wouldn't make the device too stiff and
want to pop out of the gap. It could be made of extruded rubber and
sold by the foot.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Jan 31, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Rexinator wrote:
>
> So has anyone thought of applying tape top and bottom with the
> adhesive fully contacting each other in the gap? Something like
> this: >-<
> It would be very difficult to do well unless you could design and
> fabricate a special tool, but I think it could be done. I'm
> imagining careful measurement of your gap and tape width then
> positioning the tape on one side correctly such that it would allow
> the other side to be applied and close all of the gap with no
> significant spaces or air bubbles.
> I think a perfect tool might be a stiff rubber block shaped to
> follow the half cross section of the intended gap seal. After the
> 1st side of tape has been applied (bottom?) then the block could be
> clamped on that side to hold the applied tape in the proper shape
> it would retain for the gap if the other side was already
> installed. Then it should be possible to lay the upper tape like
> positioning a large pre-cut decal.
>
> Here's an attempt of a drawing of the cross section with the tape
> red, block shape in black and a clamping bar in green.
> Gap seal image
> Anybody following my attempt to describe this concept?
>
> Rex Hefferan
> Colorado M2/582
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| Subject: | Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (image missing) |
On Sat, January 31, 2009 9:55 am, Rexinator wrote:
>
> So has anyone thought of applying tape top and bottom with the adhesive
> fully contacting each other in the gap? Something like this: >-<
That's a great idea. Or sew two pieces of fabric together and dope the V's as Jan
of
"JC Propeller Design" suggested. You could use two parallel rows of stitching spaced
the width of the gap.
> It would be very difficult to do well unless you could design and
> fabricate a special tool, but I think it could be done. I'm imagining
> careful measurement of your gap and tape width then positioning the tape
> on one side correctly such that it would allow the other side to be
> applied and close all of the gap with no significant spaces or air bubbles.
Applying strips of peelable release to the adhesive, cut just right could make
this
fairly straight forward.
> I think a perfect tool might be a stiff rubber block shaped to follow
> the half cross section of the intended gap seal. After the 1st side of
> tape has been applied (bottom?) then the block could be clamped on that
> side to hold the applied tape in the proper shape it would retain for
> the gap if the other side was already installed. Then it should be
> possible to lay the upper tape like positioning a large pre-cut decal.
>
> Here's an attempt of a drawing of the cross section with the tape red,
> block shape in black and a clamping bar in green.
> Gap seal image
Your image/scan didn't come through. You might post it as an attachment or use
the
forum interface.
> Anybody following my attempt to describe this concept?
Would help to see your intended drawing/image.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: My Series 5 - Testing picture upload |
Great looking machine! Your located in Grapevine,TX? Is the plane near by?
That I saw on one of your posts that you keep it at the Arlington airport.---Leon
Morris/Classic 4 Speedster/65%/Flower Mound, TX
---- jbonewitz <bonewitz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just testing out the posting of photos to the forum. Here's a shot of my Series
5.
>
> John Bonewitz
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227820#227820
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/fox_at_keizer_112.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Gap Seal (image attached, I hope) |
Paul Franz - Merlin GT wrote:
> Your image/scan didn't come through. You might post it as an attachment or use
the
> forum interface.
>
>
>> Anybody following my attempt to describe this concept?
>>
>
> Would help to see your intended drawing/image.
>
I'll post it to the forum anyway in a minute.
Rex
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (image missing) |
I guess my forum registration expired as I couldn't log in as I had in the past.
It's been a while.
Here's the drawing I created for the gap seal idea.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227915#227915
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/tape_198.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report |
I saw what you describe just today. The guy had a strip of this stuff that
the Pitts guys use. Problem is, our gap is too wide to use it.
John Bonewitz
Series 5
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> I'm following you, Rex...I just don't see the drawing, just the >-< that
> you typed in...and that's basically what I tried to describe with the top
> left-to-bottom right explanation that was confusing me, let alone others.
> But why any tape at all, if a rubber/neoprene/whatever block could be made
> that would fill the gap and be wedged into place, loose enough to allow
> movement, but not blow out? Something shaped like two "C's" in cross
> section, back-to-back with an "O" between them, more or less. The tops of
> the "C's" could be tangent to one another if that wouldn't make the device
> too stiff and want to pop out of the gap. It could be made of extruded
> rubber and sold by the foot.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Rexinator wrote:
>
>>
>> So has anyone thought of applying tape top and bottom with the adhesive
>> fully contacting each other in the gap? Something like this: >-<
>> It would be very difficult to do well unless you could design and
>> fabricate a special tool, but I think it could be done. I'm imagining
>> careful measurement of your gap and tape width then positioning the tape on
>> one side correctly such that it would allow the other side to be applied and
>> close all of the gap with no significant spaces or air bubbles.
>> I think a perfect tool might be a stiff rubber block shaped to follow the
>> half cross section of the intended gap seal. After the 1st side of tape has
>> been applied (bottom?) then the block could be clamped on that side to hold
>> the applied tape in the proper shape it would retain for the gap if the
>> other side was already installed. Then it should be possible to lay the
>> upper tape like positioning a large pre-cut decal.
>>
>> Here's an attempt of a drawing of the cross section with the tape red,
>> block shape in black and a clamping bar in green.
>> Gap seal image
>> Anybody following my attempt to describe this concept?
>>
>> Rex Hefferan
>> Colorado M2/582
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My Series 5 - Testing picture upload |
Close. It's AirTech, which is a two-part polyurethane material.
John Bonewitz
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> It looks too shiny to be Poly-tone to me. I'd hazard a guess of Aerothane
> or automobile paint.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2009, at 5:09 AM, Paul Franz - Merlin GT wrote:
>
>> paul@eucleides.com>
>>
>> On Fri, January 30, 2009 8:28 pm, jbonewitz wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Just testing out the posting of photos to the forum. Here's a shot of my
>>> Series 5.
>>>
>>
>> Nice looking. Is that Polytone? Obviously you mastered posting. Nice way
>> to use the
>> Kitfox List.
>>
>> --
>> Paul A. Franz
>> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
>> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
>> Bellevue WA
>> 425.241.1618 Cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report |
On Jan 31, 2009, at 9:51 PM, John Bonewitz wrote:
> I saw what you describe just today. The guy had a strip of this
> stuff that the Pitts guys use. Problem is, our gap is too wide to
> use it.
>
> John Bonewitz
> Series 5
Just a thought, but, how about strips of window/door insulation
between the hinge points. The type of weatherstriping that has a tape
strip on one side. I use it on a golf cart to keep the windshield
from rattling. It also keeps water out, why not air?
It could be attached lengthwise on the horizontal stab, and with the
appropriate thickness, press against the leading edge of the
elevator. The foam would be squeezed to make a relatively air tight
joint. The end against the elevator is slick and won't provide any
substantial resistance to the movement of the elevator.
Just a thought.
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
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| Subject: | Elevator Gap Seal Test Report |
Funny that you should mention this=2C as I was just about to post what I've
used on my Avid Flyer gaps. It is a foam weatherstriping that measures ab
out 3/8" X 1/2" and has a sticky edge on one side. I stuck the foam to the
front of the gaps. It seemed to work just fine and I did notice some impr
ovement in the airplane's handling. Jim Chuk Avid MK IV Mn
From: MDKitfox@aol.comTo: kitfox-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kitfox-List
: Elevator Gap Seal Test ReportDate: Sat=2C 31 Jan 2009 22:41:17 -0500
On Jan 31=2C 2009=2C at 9:51 PM=2C John Bonewitz wrote:
I saw what you describe just today. The guy had a strip of this stuff that
the Pitts guys use. Problem is=2C our gap is too wide to use it. John Bonew
itzSeries 5
Just a thought=2C but=2C how about strips of window/door insulation between
the hinge points. The type of weatherstriping that has a tape strip on on
e side. I use it on a golf cart to keep the windshield from rattling. It
also keeps water out=2C why not air?
It could be attached lengthwise on the horizontal stab=2C and with the appr
opriate thickness=2C press against the leading edge of the elevator. The f
oam would be squeezed to make a relatively air tight joint. The end agains
t the elevator is slick and won't provide any substantial resistance to the
movement of the elevator.
Just a thought.
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster=2C 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange=2C FL
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