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1. 12:04 AM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (Lowlead)
2. 01:04 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 02/01/09 (b gammon)
3. 03:55 AM - Re: Re: ski saver AKFLYERBOB (Larry Huntley)
4. 06:02 AM - Re: Fw: ski saver (Lynn Matteson)
5. 07:01 AM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test ReportElevator Gap Seal Test Report (Catz631@aol.com)
6. 07:03 AM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (lowflyer)
7. 07:05 AM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (Catz631@AOL.COM)
8. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (Rexinator)
9. 07:34 AM - Re: air worthiness (dcsfoto)
10. 09:41 AM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report (darinh)
11. 10:54 AM - Re: ski saver (George Wells)
12. 03:58 PM - Kitfox owner location map (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
13. 04:45 PM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test ReportElevator Gap Seal Test Report (patrick reilly)
14. 05:09 PM - Re: Fw: ski saver (patrick reilly)
15. 05:27 PM - Re: Kitfox broken motor mount (Malcolm Brubaker)
16. 05:44 PM - Posting videos (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
17. 06:39 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox broken motor mount (Noel Loveys)
18. 06:55 PM - Flaperon hinge brackets (clemwehner)
19. 07:02 PM - Re: Fw: ski saver (Lynn Matteson)
20. 07:20 PM - Re: Fw: ski saver (patrick reilly)
21. 07:33 PM - Re: Fw: ski saver (Lynn Matteson)
22. 07:46 PM - Re: Flaperon hinge brackets (Tom Jones)
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report |
Thanks Rex (and Lynn)! I wish I could say that it's this consistent along the entire
length of the gap, but it's not. The gaps tend to be smaller on the outboard
ends due to the way the tightened fabric act on the stab and elevator frames.
Installation is hard to describe but not that hard to do. One thing nice about
this tape is that it's very pliable and the adhesive is not super-aggressive at
first. The tape is applied across the gap (we'll say the top side first) with
a very slight 'drape' down and then firmly pressed onto the LE/TE tubes. Then
the bottom side tape is applied with a very slight drape up (I used a pc of
1/4" tube to force the drape up) and then pressed onto the LE/TE tubes. The two
tapes stick to one another like a champ but leaves a triangular 'bubble' running
the entire length . I used a wooden tongue depressor and fingers to press
the top and bottom tapes together to eliminate the bubble. (see attached). It's
tough stuff and stretches well enough to get a tight installation. There's
no worries about tearing or punching through with the tongue depressor.
The control surface (elevator or rudder) must be in the neutral position when tape
is applied or else a tension 'bias' might get built into the installation
(ex: rudder now pulls left or right due to tape..)
Hope this makes sense...
Dan H.
rexinator wrote:
> That's exactly what I was trying to describe with my >-< symbol and my
> little drawn image file. I agree with Lynn that it's a nice job. Can
> you elaborate on how you applied so well?
>
> Rex
> Colorado M2/582
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 02/01/09 |
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:38 AM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report- (Catz631@aol.com)=0A- - 2
. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report- (Noel Loveys)=0A-
- 3. 11:09 AM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report- (Noel Loveys)=0A-
- 4. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report- (Lynn Matteson)
=0A- - 5. 12:02 PM - Kitfox with rotax fuel injection- (jason Parker)
=0A- - 6. 02:02 PM - Re: Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report- (Randy Da
ughenbaugh)=0A- - 7. 02:22 PM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report- (L
ynn Matteson)=0A- - 8. 03:02 PM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report-
(Bob Brennan)=0A- - 9. 03:13 PM - Ski report/snow conditions- (Lynn M
atteson)=0A- - 10. 03:19 PM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report- (Lyn
n Matteson)=0A- - 11. 03:24 PM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report- (
Larry Huntley)=0A- - 12. 05:00 PM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report
- (Noel Loveys)=0A- - 13. 05:05 PM - Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Repor
t- (Lowlead)=0A- - 14. 05:30 PM - Re: Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Repo
rt- (Lynn Matteson)=0A- - 15. 05:39 PM - Fw: ski saver- (Larry Hunt
ley)=0A- - 16. 06:11 PM - Re: Fw: ski saver- (patrick reilly)=0A-
- 17. 06:50 PM - Re: ski saver- (AKFLYERBOB)=0A- - 18. 08:17 PM - R
e: Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report- (Rexinator)=0A- - 19. 09:18 PM
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ubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report=0A=0AThat foam weath
er striping sounds like a good idea. You could further refine =0Athis by pu
tting a strip of teflon antichafe tape on the other side of the =0Aweather
striping foam(oposite the adhesive side) or on the elevator leading edge=0A
=0Afor that mater. This stuff is real slick and I bought a roll of it from
Spruce=0A=0Aas a cowling chafe tape a while back. It works real well.=0AOnl
y thing is, in the heat the adhesive on weather strip tends to give way =0A
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06 AM PST US=0AFrom: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>=0ASubject: RE: Kit
fox-List: Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report=0A=0A=0AOr you could attach the
seal, on the elevator side only with good old 1 in.=0AVelcro.=0A=0AAnother
thing to try is to cover the leading edge of the elevator and rudder=0Awit
h the plastic tape then attach the gap seal to that tape so when you=0Aremo
ve the seal you don't disturb the dope under it.=0A=0ANoel=0A=0A-----Origin
al Message-----=0AFrom: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:ow
ner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson=0ASent: Sa
turday, January 31, 2009 8:12 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Elevator G
ap Seal Test Report=0A=0A=0AGood idea, but I'm from the camp that always wa
nts to be able to take- =0Asomething apart if a problem arises. I guess i
f a rock passed through- =0Athe elevator, you could always MEK the Vee of
f from the elevator, and- =0Amaybe reattach it when the repairs were made
. A longer process, by- =0Afar, than the tape method, but cleaner-looking
.=0A=0ALynn Matteson=0AKitfox IV Speedster, taildragger=0AJabiru 2200, #206
2, 600.2 hrs=0ASensenich 62x46=0AElectroair direct-fire ignition system=0AN
ew skis done and flying=0A=0A=0AOn Jan 31, 2009, at 2:37 AM, JC Propeller D
esign wrote:=0A=0A> <propellerdesign@tele2.se>=0A>=0A> You can use that, bu
t why not take 2 pieces sewn together at the- =0A> middle and dope one Ve
e to stab and other to elevator.=0A>=0A> Or use sail fabric that is air tig
ht from start=0A>=0A> Jan=0A> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JetPilot"
<orcabonita@hotmail.com>=0A> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>=0A> Sent: Fri
day, January 30, 2009 9:18 PM=0A> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Elevator Gap Se
al Test Report=0A>=0A>=0A>> <orcabonita@hotmail.com>=0A>>=0A>> Why not just
use a piece of PolyFiber attached with Polytack to- =0A>> seal the gap ?
??- It would be permanent, easy to do, and look- =0A>> good !- Much b
etter than tape.=0A>>=0A>> Mike=0A>>=0A>> --------=0A>> "NO FEAR"
-- If you have no fear you did not go as fast- =0A>> as you could have
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opic online here:=0A>>=0A>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=2
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=0A=0ATime: 11:09:12 AM PST US=0AFrom: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report=0A=0ASunday afte
rnoon and I can visualize the X system easy now...- Friday nights=0Anot t
he best night of the week for me;-).- =0A=0AI agree the X system allows f
or a light hinge on a model but a place for=0Agrass and leaves etc. To catc
h in the "Real thing".- =0A=0AWhat I was thinking at first was a couple o
f pieces of say 2 1/2 inch tape=0Asewn right down the middle and then one h
alf of each tape doped to the=0Astabilizers with the other halves just fini
shed to match the plane.- They=0Ashould be stiff enough to seal the gaps
in flight.- I'll attach a couple of=0Arough diagrams... emphasis on the t
erm rough!=0A=0ANoel =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-kitfox-lis
t-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Lynn Matteson=0ASent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:04 AM=0ASubje
ct: Re: Kitfox-List: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report=0A=0A=0ANope, no picture
or drawing. Just visualize...after the inbibation- =0Awears off....the f
lat surface of the stab and elevator, as viewed- =0Afrom the side/edge, w
ith the tape starting on the top left, and- =0Acrossing to the bottom rig
ht. (This of course assumes that you have- =0Aproperly made the tape with
an inch of the sticky surfaces against- =0Aeach other so that the tape c
an- be stuck down on the top left and- =0Athe bottom right) Now another
tape from the bottom left crossing to- =0Athe top right. Where they pass
by each other, they form an "X". Then- =0Aimagine a piece of tape 2" wid
e being placed from top of stab to- =0Abottom of elev. (top left to botto
m right), and next to it another- =0Atape placed from bottom left to top
right. Continue alternating tapes- =0Auntil gap is sealed. I can imagine
how this would look on a full-size- =0Aplane, and I don't like what I ima
gine. It worked fine on the models- =0Aand looked ok, and made an especia
lly lightweight hinge. I personally- =0Adon't like the idea of this "over
and under" tape application, as it- =0Aalways leaves a place where junk
can collect, no matter which way you- =0Ado it. I much prefer to let the
elevator hang down, apply the tape- =0Aacross the gap, and leave it at th
at. I use "racer's tape" that I- =0Aordered in orange, which is the color
of my plane in that area...the- =0Acolor is not a perfect match...howeve
r, I can't see that mismatch- =0Awhen I'm flying and neither can anybody
else. The owners of "hangar- =0Aqueens" would not like my reasoning, I'm
sure.=0A=0ALynn Matteson=0AKitfox IV Speedster, taildragger=0AJabiru 2200,
#2062, 600.2 hrs=0ASensenich 62x46=0AElectroair direct-fire ignition system
=0ANew skis done and flying=0A=0A=0AOn Jan 30, 2009, at 8:20 PM, Noel Lovey
s wrote:=0A=0A> Lynn:=0A> do you have a picture or drawing of the X system?
=0A> Second inbibation is starting to cut in and I'm having a problem-
=0A> visualizing your X setup.=0A>=0A> Noel=0A>=0A>=0A> --- On Fri, 1/30/09
, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:=0A> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt
@jps.net>=0A> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report=0A> T
o: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0A> Received: Friday, January 30, 2009, 6:11 P
M=0A>=0A>=0A> If you really want to drive yourself nuts over this gap seali
ng- =0A> issue, try the=0A> "X" method instead of the "Z" method. We used
the=0A> "X" method on our model planes.=0A> The "Z" method has been explai
ned....from under (or over) the=0A> trailing portion of the hort. stab, to
over (or under) the leading- =0A> portion of=0A> the elevator, forming a
"Z" when view from the side. The "X"=0A> method is just alternating the pla
cement of lengths of 2" wide- =0A> tape, over=0A> and under, then under a
nd over, etc., until the gap is sealed. In the=0A> "X" method, you make str
ips of tape that go, say, 2" wide and=0A> from front to back, instead of th
e "Z" method where you run the tape=0A> from side of elevator to hinge, the
n hinge to hinge, and so on.=0A> The jury is still out on whether this is a
good method or not...how- =0A> 'bout=0A> some thoughts?=0A>=0A> As an as
ide, when this method is used in model planes, no hinge is- =0A> needed,
as=0A> the plastic covering material itself is used for the "gap seals" and
=0A> in using the "X" method, the elevator operates freely without the use
=0A> of hinges...not recommended for "live-in" airplanes.=0A>=0A> Lynn Matt
eson=0A> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger=0A> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
=0A> Sensenich 62x46=0A> Electroair direct-fire ignition system=0A> New ski
s done and flying=0A>=0A>=0A> On Jan 30, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Paul Franz - Me
rlin GT wrote:=0A>=0A> <paul@eucleides.com>=0A> >=0A> > On Fri, January 30,
2009 7:28 am, kirk hull wrote:=0A> >> Does anybody have pictures of the ga
p seal installation?=0A> >=0A> > I too would be interested in seeing photos
. I'm interested in- =0A> details=0A> of shape,=0A> > overlap and what ha
ppens to the slack when you run neutral or down=0A> elevator.=0A> >=0A> > D
oes the slack start to peel a tiny bit on either the stabilizer- =0A> or
the=0A> elevator with=0A> > dirt and debris sticking to the small exposed b
it of adhesive?=0A> >=0A> > Which way is better to put them on - leading ed
ge on top or- =0A> bottom of Get the name you've always wanted ! @ymail.c
om or- =0A> @rocketmail.com. _- =0A> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
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- Message 4- _____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 11:26:
09 AM PST US=0AFrom: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox
-List: Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report=0A=0A=0AI just flew my plane today
, and during the pre-flight I noticed that- =0Athe gap-seal tape...orange
Racer's Tape...that I applied on 10-5-2008- =0Ais still holding fast. I
wrote the date onto the tape to keep track- =0Aof how well it held up. Th
e same tape that I applied earlier...God- =0Aknows when...is also still h
olding fas, so maybe we're overthinking- =0Athis gap-seal "problem." Of c
ourse, mine is applied over the top of- =0Athe gap and nothing underneath
, so the purists among us...you- know- =0Awho you are...would not buy t
his fix.=0A=0ALynn Matteson=0AKitfox IV Speedster, taildragger=0AJabiru 220
0, #2062, 605 hrs=0ASensenich 62x46=0AElectroair direct-fire ignition syste
m=0ANew skis done and flying=0A=0A=0AOn Feb 1, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Noel Love
ys wrote:=0A=0A>=0A> Or you could attach the seal, on the elevator side onl
y with good- =0A> old 1 in.=0A> Velcro.=0A>=0A> Another thing to try is t
o cover the leading edge of the elevator- =0A> and rudder=0A> with the pl
astic tape then attach the gap seal to that tape so when- =0A> you=0A> re
move the seal you don't disturb the dope under it.=0A>=0A> Noel=0A>=0A> ---
--Original Message-----=0A> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com=0A
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn- =0A>
Matteson=0A> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:12 AM=0A> To: kitfox-list@
matronics.com=0A> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Repo
rt=0A>=0A>=0A> Good idea, but I'm from the camp that always wants to be abl
e to take=0A> something apart if a problem arises. I guess if a rock passed
through=0A> the elevator, you could always MEK the Vee off from the elevat
or, and=0A> maybe reattach it when the repairs were made. A longer process,
by=0A> far, than the tape method, but cleaner-looking.=0A>=0A> Lynn Mattes
on=0A> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger=0A> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
=0A> Sensenich 62x46=0A> Electroair direct-fire ignition system=0A> New ski
s done and flying=0A>=0A>=0A> On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:37 AM, JC Propeller Des
ign wrote:=0A>=0A>> <propellerdesign@tele2.se>=0A>>=0A>> You can use that,
but why not take 2 pieces sewn together at the=0A>> middle and dope one Vee
to stab and other to elevator.=0A>>=0A>> Or use sail fabric that is air ti
ght from start=0A>>=0A>> Jan=0A>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JetPi
lot"- =0A>> <orcabonita@hotmail.com>=0A>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
=0A>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:18 PM=0A>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re:
Elevator Gap Seal Test Report=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>> <orcabonita@hotmail.com>=0A>
>>=0A>>> Why not just use a piece of PolyFiber attached with Polytack to=0A
>>> seal the gap ???- It would be permanent, easy to do, and look=0A>>> g
ood !- Much better than tape.=0A>>>=0A>>> Mike=0A>>>=0A>>> --------=0A>>>
"NO FEAR" -- If you have no fear you did not go as fast=0A>>>
as you could have !!!=0A>>>=0A>>> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>
=0A>>>=0A>>> Read this topic online here:=0A>>>=0A>>> http://forums.matroni
cs.com/viewtopic.php?p=227727#227727=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>
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h@rapidnet.com>=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Repo
rt=0A=0A=0AMike,=0AUnless you get all the coats and cross coats of poly spr
ay on it it won't=0Alast more than a year or two in the sun.- Maybe that
is permanent enough,=0Abut I worry that with all the flexing, and enough co
ats or polyspray, it=0Awill crack.=0A=0ARandy=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message
-----=0AFrom: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-kitfox
-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JetPilot=0ASent: Friday, January 3
0, 2009 1:19 PM=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report
=0A=0A=0AWhy not just use a piece of PolyFiber attached with Polytack to se
al the gap=0A???- It would be permanent, easy to do, and look good !- M
uch better than=0Atape.=0A=0AMike=0A=0A--------=0A"NO FEAR" --
If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you=0Acould have !!!=0A=0AKol
b MK-III Xtra, 912-S=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forum
s.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227727#227727=0A=0A=0A___________________
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=0ATime: 02:22:29 PM PST US=0AFrom: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>=0ASubj
ect: Re: Kitfox-List: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report=0A=0A=0AThe "grass catc
her" is the problem with either the "X" or the "Z" (or- =0A"S") method of
applying tape...whether you apply the tape from "under- =0Athe front to
over the back" or vice versa, there will always be a- =0Awedge of space t
hat wants to collects debris. It's just harder to get- =0Aout of the "X"
method. That's why I've contented myself with the- =0A"over the front to
over the back" method....yes it's aerodynamically- =0Adirty, having a spa
ce underneath that can eddy air, but have we a- =0Areally "clean" plane o
therwise?=0A=0AYour diagrams are very understandable, Noel...good job.-
- - - Lost- =0ASaturday? : )=0A=0ALynn Matteson=0AKitfox IV Speedst
er, taildragger=0AJabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs=0ASensenich 62x46=0AElectroai
r direct-fire ignition system=0ANew skis done and flying=0A=0A=0AOn Feb 1,
2009, at 1:57 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:=0A=0A> Sunday afternoon and I can visu
alize the X system easy now...- =0A> Friday nights=0A> not the best night
of the week for me;-).=0A>=0A> I agree the X system allows for a light hin
ge on a model but a- =0A> place for=0A> grass and leaves etc. To catch in
the "Real thing".=0A>=0A> What I was thinking at first was a couple of pie
ces of say 2 1/2- =0A> inch tape=0A> sewn right down the middle and then
one half of each tape doped to the=0A> stabilizers with the other halves ju
st finished to match the- =0A> plane.- They=0A> should be stiff enough
to seal the gaps in flight.- I'll attach a- =0A> couple of=0A> rough di
agrams... emphasis on the term rough!=0A>=0A> Noel=0A=0A=0A________________
________________- Message 8- _____________________________________=0A
=0A=0ATime: 03:02:08 PM PST US=0AFrom: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan
.name>=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report=0A=0A=0AI'
m glad to see someone else used the just-tape-over-the-top method. When=0At
his topic came up a few months ago I noticed on a magazine cover picture of
=0Amy plane I have for my desktop that at that time it had black tape on th
e=0Atop side of the stabiliser gap, which was not there when I bought the p
lane.=0AI assume it was wide electrical tape which is *everywhere* on the p
lane=0Aincluding the leading edges and vertical stabiliser gap, and which I
am=0Agradually replacing since it peels.=0A=0AI was hesitant to post my me
thod since no one else had admitted here to that=0Asimple method. I used a
yellow duct tape across the entire topside of the=0Agaps, installed with th
e elevator fully down. With the elevator up it tucks=0Aneatly into the gap.
I chose the top instead of the bottom so it would not=0Aaccumulate anythin
g, and left the bottom open to see the hinges on=0Apre-flight.=0A=0ASo far
it has lasted a season and made a difference to control authority on=0Athe
short-field-over-trees grass strip that I use. Before sealing the gap my=0A
slowest approach speed was determined by when I started losing pitch contro
l=0Aversus stall speed, which made it tough to flare properly. Possibly the
=0Aunder-cambered wings and smaller tail made the gap seals more noticeable
on=0Aa Model 2 than later Models.=0A=0ABob Brennan - N717GB=0AELSA Repairm
an, inspection rated=0A1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox=0ARotax 582 with 3 blade
prop=0AWrightsville Pa- =0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-k
itfox-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronic
s.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson=0ASent: 01 February 2009 5:18 pm=0ASubjec
t: Re: Kitfox-List: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report=0A=0A=0AThe "grass catche
r" is the problem with either the "X" or the "Z" (or- =0A"S") method of a
pplying tape...whether you apply the tape from "under- =0Athe front to ov
er the back" or vice versa, there will always be a- =0Awedge of space tha
t wants to collects debris. It's just harder to get- =0Aout of the "X" me
thod. That's why I've contented myself with the- =0A"over the front to ov
er the back" method....yes it's aerodynamically- =0Adirty, having a space
underneath that can eddy air, but have we a- =0Areally "clean" plane oth
erwise?=0A=0AYour diagrams are very understandable, Noel...good job.- -
- - Lost- =0ASaturday? : )=0A=0ALynn Matteson=0AKitfox IV Speedster,
taildragger=0AJabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs=0ASensenich 62x46=0AElectroair d
irect-fire ignition system=0ANew skis done and flying=0A=0A=0AOn Feb 1, 200
9, at 1:57 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:=0A=0A> Sunday afternoon and I can visuali
ze the X system easy now...- =0A> Friday nights=0A> not the best night of
the week for me;-).=0A>=0A> I agree the X system allows for a light hinge
on a model but a- =0A> place for=0A> grass and leaves etc. To catch in th
e "Real thing".=0A>=0A> What I was thinking at first was a couple of pieces
of say 2 1/2- =0A> inch tape=0A> sewn right down the middle and then one
half of each tape doped to the=0A> stabilizers with the other halves just
finished to match the- =0A> plane.- They=0A> should be stiff enough to
seal the gaps in flight.- I'll attach a- =0A> couple of=0A> rough diagr
ams... emphasis on the term rough!=0A>=0A> Noel=0A=0A=0A___________________
_____________- Message 9- _____________________________________=0A=0A
=0ATime: 03:13:42 PM PST US=0AFrom: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>=0ASubj
ect: Kitfox-List: Ski report/snow conditions=0A=0A=0ALast week I had a "ski
tuck" due to the bungees not being set to a- =0Ahigh enough initial tens
ion. This week I cut 2" from them and- =0Areinstalled and test flew them
- yesterday and today, and could not- =0Aget it to happen again. Admitt
edly, I wasn't really giving it what- =0Acould be considered an acrobatic
test, but I made some (weak) dives- =0Aand pull-ups, and couldn't get th
e ski, or skis, to drop or tuck. I- =0Aeven flew in bumpy-bangy air. I ha
d made a tension check before and- =0Aafter the shortening, and I picked
up about 8 pounds of tension per- =0Acord, or 16 pounds per ski.=0A=0AI f
lew today to test the condition of the snow.- Last week when I- =0Atrie
d to leave here to go to Oshkosh, the snow was so wet and heavy- =0Athat
I could not get over 20 mph on the takeoff roll. This was after- =0A2 day
s of above freezing temps...34-36 degrees F. Today, the- =0Aconditions we
re the same...overnight of over freezing, and 34 F when- =0AI took off. I
t took a bit of coaxing, but I got up alright, and- =0Alanded at 4 differ
ent snow-covered grass strips. It was the same at- =0Aall strips...a bit
longer than normal (most ski takeoffs take more- =0Arunway, I've read), b
ut doable. When I stopped for lunch, I parked in- =0Amy own tracks, then
30 minutes later just rocked the plane a bit- =0Abefore fire-up, firewall
ed it, and away I went, taxiing to the- =0Arunway...slowly. I used up abo
ut 1100 feet of a crosswind, no-tracks- =0Arunway before giving up and tr
ying it on a snowmobile-trodden runway- =0Ainto the wind. It still took a
bout 300 feet before it got off the- =0Aground due to the sticky snow con
ditions.=0A=0AAn article I had read (National Research Council of Canada) t
alked- =0Aabout "snow friction" in this way:=0A=0A"Early in the tests, it
was found that sliding resistance and- =0Aadhesion were far more depende
nt upon snow conditions than on the- =0Adesign of the ski. Further, the s
kiing quality of the snow changed- =0Acontinually and it was not unusual
to observe marked changes taking- =0Aplace in less than an hour. The publ
ication notes that there are- =0Atimes when the sliding resistance of air
craft skis is so great that- =0Ait is impossible to reach flying speed."
=0A=0AI'm having a blast test-flying my skis, and seeing first-hand how-
=0Asome of the writings that I studied while building them have merit.=0A
=0ALynn Matteson=0AKitfox IV Speedster, taildragger=0AJabiru 2200, #2062, 6
05 hrs=0ASensenich 62x46=0AElectroair direct-fire ignition system=0ANew ski
s done and flying=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0AOn Feb 1, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Lynn
Matteson wrote:=0A=0A>=0A> The "grass catcher" is the problem with either
the "X" or the- =0A> "Z" (or "S") method of applying tape...whether you a
pply the tape- =0A> from "under the front to over the back" or vice versa
, there will- =0A> always be a wedge of space that wants to collects debr
is. It's just- =0A> harder to get out of the "X" method. That's why I've
contented- =0A> myself with the "over the front to over the back" method.
...yes- =0A> it's aerodynamically dirty, having a space underneath that c
an eddy- =0A> air, but have we a really "clean" plane otherwise?=0A>=0A>
Your diagrams are very understandable, Noel...good job.- - - - Lost
- =0A> Saturday? : )=0A>=0A> Lynn Matteson=0A> Kitfox IV Speedster, taild
ragger=0A> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs=0A> Sensenich 62x46=0A> Electroair d
irect-fire ignition system=0A> New skis done and flying=0A>=0A>=0A> On Feb
1, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:=0A>=0A>> Sunday afternoon and I can
visualize the X system easy now...- =0A>> Friday nights=0A>> not the bes
t night of the week for me;-).=0A>>=0A>> I agree the X system allows for a
light hinge on a model but a- =0A>> place for=0A>> grass and leaves etc.
To catch in the "Real thing".=0A>>=0A>> What I was thinking at first was a
couple of pieces of say 2 1/2- =0A>> inch tape=0A>> sewn right down the m
iddle and then one half of each tape doped to- =0A>> the=0A>> stabilizers
with the other halves just finished to match the- =0A>> plane.- They
=0A>> should be stiff enough to seal the gaps in flight.- I'll attach a
- =0A>> couple of=0A>> rough diagrams... emphasis on the term rough!=0A>>
=0A>> Noel=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A________________________________- Message 10
- ____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 03:19:35 PM PST US
=0AFrom: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Eleva
tor Gap Seal Test Report=0A=0A=0AI just tape up to the hinges, then tape ag
ain on the other side of- =0Athe hinge...all on the top-to-top surfaces..
.I'm gettin' too old to- =0Abend down and look under there, Bob. : )=0A
=0ALynn Matteson=0AKitfox IV Speedster, taildragger=0AJabiru 2200, #2062, 6
05 hrs=0ASensenich 62x46=0AElectroair direct-fire ignition system=0ANew ski
s done and flying=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0AOn Feb 1, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Bob
Brennan wrote:=0A=0A> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>=0A>=0A> I'm glad to see
someone else used the just-tape-over-the-top- =0A> method. When=0A> this
topic came up a few months ago I noticed on a magazine cover- =0A> pictur
e of=0A> my plane I have for my desktop that at that time it had black tape
- =0A> on the=0A> top side of the stabiliser gap, which was not there whe
n I bought- =0A> the plane.=0A> I assume it was wide electrical tape whic
h is *everywhere* on the- =0A> plane=0A> including the leading edges and
vertical stabiliser gap, and which- =0A> I am=0A> gradually replacing sin
ce it peels.=0A>=0A> I was hesitant to post my method since no one else had
admitted- =0A> here to that=0A> simple method. I used a yellow duct tape
across the entire topside- =0A> of the=0A> gaps, installed with the elev
ator fully down. With the elevator up- =0A> it tucks=0A> neatly into the
gap. I chose the top instead of the bottom so it- =0A> would not=0A> accu
mulate anything, and left the bottom open to see the hinges on=0A> pre-flig
ht.=0A>=0A> So far it has lasted a season and made a difference to control
- =0A> authority on=0A> the short-field-over-trees grass strip that I use
. Before sealing- =0A> the gap my=0A> slowest approach speed was determin
ed by when I started losing- =0A> pitch control=0A> versus stall speed, w
hich made it tough to flare properly. Possibly- =0A> the=0A> under-camber
ed wings and smaller tail made the gap seals more- =0A> noticeable on=0A>
a Model 2 than later Models.=0A>=0A> Bob Brennan - N717GB=0A> ELSA Repairm
an, inspection rated=0A> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox=0A> Rotax 582 with 3 b
lade prop=0A> Wrightsville Pa=0A>=0A> -----Original Message-----=0A> From:
owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com=0A> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server
@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn- =0A> Matteson=0A> Sent: 01 February 20
09 5:18 pm=0A> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0A> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:
Elevator Gap Seal Test Report=0A>=0A>=0A> The "grass catcher" is the proble
m with either the "X" or the "Z" (or=0A> "S") method of applying tape...whe
ther you apply the tape from "under=0A> the front to over the back" or vice
versa, there will always be a=0A> wedge of space that wants to collects de
bris. It's just harder to get=0A> out of the "X" method. That's why I've co
ntented myself with the=0A> "over the front to over the back" method....yes
it's aerodynamically=0A> dirty, having a space underneath that can eddy ai
r, but have we a=0A> really "clean" plane otherwise?=0A>=0A> Your diagrams
are very understandable, Noel...good job.- - - - Lost=0A> Saturday?
: )=0A>=0A> Lynn Matteson=0A> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger=0A> Jabiru
2200, #2062, 605 hrs=0A> Sensenich 62x46=0A> Electroair direct-fire ignitio
n system=0A> New skis done and flying=0A>=0A>=0A> On Feb 1, 2009, at 1:57 P
M, Noel Loveys wrote:=0A>=0A>> Sunday afternoon and I can visualize the X s
ystem easy now...=0A>> Friday nights=0A>> not the best night of the week fo
r me;-).=0A>>=0A>> I agree the X system allows for a light hinge on a model
but a=0A>> place for=0A>> grass and leaves etc. To catch in the "Real thin
g".=0A>>=0A>> What I was thinking at first was a couple of pieces of say 2
1/2=0A>> inch tape=0A>> sewn right down the middle and then one half of eac
h tape doped to- =0A>> the=0A>> stabilizers with the other halves just fi
nished to match the=0A>> plane.- They=0A>> should be stiff enough to seal
the gaps in flight.- I'll attach a=0A>> couple of=0A>> rough diagrams...
emphasis on the term rough!=0A>>=0A>> Noel=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A_______________
_________________- Message 11- ____________________________________=0A
=0A=0ATime: 03:24:36 PM PST US=0AFrom: "Larry Huntley" <asq@roadrunner.com>
=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report=0A=0A=0AI did th
at with ski saver. Worked fin and not too complicated for my brain. =0AI ca
n make decent 3pt landings with the Soob on front and no =0Aflaps----Barely
, But it works.- - Larry 4-1200 Soob=0A=0A----- Original Message -----
=0AFrom: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>=0ASent: Sunday, Februar
y 01, 2009 5:57 PM=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Elevator Gap Seal Test Repor
t=0A=0A=0A> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>=0A>=0A> I'm glad to see someone el
se used the just-tape-over-the-top method. When=0A> this topic came up a fe
w months ago I noticed on a magazine cover picture =0A> of=0A> my plane I h
ave for my desktop that at that time it had black tape on the=0A> top side
of the stabiliser gap, which was not there when I bought the =0A> plane.=0A
> I assume it was wide electrical tape which is *everywhere* on the plane
=0A> including the leading edges and vertical stabiliser gap, and which I a
m=0A> gradually replacing since it peels.=0A>=0A> I was hesitant to post my
method since no one else had admitted here to =0A> that=0A> simple method.
I used a yellow duct tape across the entire topside of the=0A> gaps, insta
lled with the elevator fully down. With the elevator up it =0A> tucks=0A> n
eatly into the gap. I chose the top instead of the bottom so it would not
=0A> accumulate anything, and left the bottom open to see the hinges on=0A>
pre-flight.=0A>=0A> So far it has lasted a season and made a difference to
control authority =0A> on=0A> the short-field-over-trees grass strip that
I use. Before sealing the gap =0A> my=0A> slowest approach speed was determ
ined by when I started losing pitch =0A> control=0A> versus stall speed, wh
ich made it tough to flare properly. Possibly the=0A> under-cambered wings
and smaller tail made the gap seals more noticeable =0A> on=0A> a Model 2 t
han later Models.=0A>=0A> Bob Brennan - N717GB=0A> ELSA Repairman, inspecti
on rated=0A> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox=0A> Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop=0A
> Wrightsville Pa=0A>=0A> -----Original Message-----=0A> From: owner-kitfox
-list-server@matronics.com=0A> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.c
om] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson=0A> Sent: 01 February 2009 5:18 pm=0A> To: k
itfox-list@matronics.com=0A> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Elevator Gap Seal Te
st Report=0A>=0A>=0A> The "grass catcher" is the problem with either the "X
" or the "Z" (or=0A> "S") method of applying tape...whether you apply the t
ape from "under=0A> the front to over the back" or vice versa, there will a
lways be a=0A> wedge of space that wants to collects debris. It's just hard
er to get=0A> out of the "X" method. That's why I've contented myself with
the=0A> "over the front to over the back" method....yes it's aerodynamicall
y=0A> dirty, having a space underneath that can eddy air, but have we a=0A>
really "clean" plane otherwise?=0A>=0A> Your diagrams are very understanda
ble, Noel...good job.- - - - Lost=0A> Saturday? : )=0A>=0A> Lynn Ma
tteson=0A> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger=0A> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
=0A> Sensenich 62x46=0A> Electroair direct-fire ignition system=0A> New ski
s done and flying=0A>=0A>=0A> On Feb 1, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Noel Loveys wrote
:=0A>=0A>> Sunday afternoon and I can visualize the X system easy now...=0A
>> Friday nights=0A>> not the best night of the week for me;-).=0A>>=0A>> I
agree the X system allows for a light hinge on a model but a=0A>> place fo
r=0A>> grass and leaves etc. To catch in the "Real thing".=0A>>=0A>> What I
was thinking at first was a couple of pieces of say 2 1/2=0A>> inch tape
=0A>> sewn right down the middle and then one half of each tape doped to th
e=0A>> stabilizers with the other halves just finished to match the=0A>> pl
ane.- They=0A>> should be stiff enough to seal the gaps in flight.- I'l
l attach a=0A>> couple of=0A>> rough diagrams... emphasis on the term rough
!=0A>>=0A>> Noel=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A------------------------------------------
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____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 05:00:25 PM PST US=0AFr
om: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Elevato
r Gap Seal Test Report=0A=0A=0ANot lost just out of town until later last n
ight.=0A=0AWhat did you think of the idea of using Velcro (just on the rudd
er)- Would=0Amake it easy to clean and also easy to remove the rudder for
repairs due to=0Ahangar rash.=0A=0AI'm going to try a gap seal this spring
when I get the plane out again.- At=0Aleast on the rudder to try to give
me more authority for slips.- Those big=0Afloats hanging three feet or m
ore below the CG really want to right the=0Aplane.- So far I've been givi
ng full ruddr and controlling the slip with the=0Aailerons.- Even doing t
hat the slip is more gentle than what I can get with=0Ano problems from a C
-172.=0A=0ANoel=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-kitfox-list-s
erver@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Be
half Of Lynn Matteson=0ASent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:48 PM=0ASubject:
Re: Kitfox-List: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report=0A=0A=0AThe "grass catcher"
is the problem with either the "X" or the "Z" (or- =0A"S") method of appl
ying tape...whether you apply the tape from "under- =0Athe front to over
the back" or vice versa, there will always be a- =0Awedge of space that w
ants to collects debris. It's just harder to get- =0Aout of the "X" metho
d. That's why I've contented myself with the- =0A"over the front to over
the back" method....yes it's aerodynamically- =0Adirty, having a space un
derneath that can eddy air, but have we a- =0Areally "clean" plane otherw
ise?=0A=0AYour diagrams are very understandable, Noel...good job.- -
- - Lost- =0ASaturday? : )=0A=0ALynn Matteson=0AKitfox IV Speedster,
taildragger=0AJabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs=0ASensenich 62x46=0AElectroair di
rect-fire ignition system=0ANew skis done and flying=0A=0A=0AOn Feb 1, 2009
, at 1:57 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:=0A=0A> Sunday afternoon and I can visualiz
e the X system easy now...- =0A> Friday nights=0A> not the best night of
the week for me;-).=0A>=0A> I agree the X system allows for a light hinge o
n a model but a- =0A> place for=0A> grass and leaves etc. To catch in the
"Real thing".=0A>=0A> What I was thinking at first was a couple of pieces
of say 2 1/2- =0A> inch tape=0A> sewn right down the middle and then one
half of each tape doped to the=0A> stabilizers with the other halves just f
inished to match the- =0A> plane.- They=0A> should be stiff enough to s
eal the gaps in flight.- I'll attach a- =0A> couple of=0A> rough diagra
ms... emphasis on the term rough!=0A>=0A> Noel=0A=0A=0A____________________
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Time: 05:05:11 PM PST US=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test
Report=0AFrom: "Lowlead" <j.t.cowie@xoxy.net>=0A=0A=0AI use a 3M 3372 poly
urethane surface protection tape applied on both top and bottom=0Aof the ga
p (previous posts shown as >-=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahtt
p://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228084#228084=0A=0A=0AAttachment
s: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/gapseal1_141.jpg=0A=0A=0A______
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_____=0A=0A=0ATime: 05:30:02 PM PST US=0AFrom: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.
net>=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report=0A=0A=0A
That's a good-looking job, LL.=0A=0ALynn Matteson=0AKitfox IV Speedster, ta
ildragger=0AJabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs=0ASensenich 62x46=0AElectroair dire
ct-fire ignition system=0ANew skis done and flying=0Ado not archive=0A=0A
=0AOn Feb 1, 2009, at 8:01 PM, Lowlead wrote:=0A=0A>=0A> I use a 3M 3372 po
lyurethane surface protection tape applied on- =0A> both top and bottom o
f the gap (previous posts shown as >-=0A>=0A>=0A> Read this topic online he
re:=0A>=0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228084#228084=0A>
=0A>=0A> Attachments:=0A>=0A> http://forums.matronics.com//files/gapseal1_1
41.jpg=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A________________________________- Message 15- __
__________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 05:39:40 PM PST US=0AFrom:
"Larry Huntley" <asq@roadrunner.com>=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Fw: ski saver
=0A=0A=0AJust received this. Does it sound like the same material?- Larry
=0A=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: <info@tognar.com>=0ASent: Sunda
y, February 01, 2009 7:54 PM=0ASubject: Re: ski saver=0A=0A=0A>=0A> Yes,=0A
> check this link on our bags/racks page=0A> http://www.tognar.com/bags_rac
ks_boot_ski_binding_snowboard_accessory.html=0A> The top item is the scuff
saver tape,=0A> Thanks,=0A> Cat=0A> www.tognar.com=0A>=0A>=0A>> Do you stil
l have "ski saver" tape?- Larry Huntley- asq@roadrunner.com=0A> Ye=0A>
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______________=0A=0A=0ATime: 06:11:13 PM PST US=0AFrom: patrick reilly <pat
reilly43@hotmail.com>=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fw: ski saver=0A=0A=0ALar
ry=2C Thanks for the web link. I ordered 5 feed just to have on hand. Th
=0Aat price for 14" wide clear tape is unreal. There are many times I wante
d s=0Aome of that tape to protect paint on a car=2C motorcycle tank=2C
etc. I'll =0Ause it on the gap seal=2C Alla Lynn Matteson top side only.
Lynn=2C if that=0Acurls down into the gap=2C rather than up=2C I don'
t know why anybody woul=0Ad use any other method.=0Ado not archive Pat Reil
lyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford=2C IL> From: asq@roadrun=0Aner.com> To: kitfo
x-list@matronics.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: ski saver=0A> Date: Sun=2
C 1 Feb 2009 20:38:03 -0500> > --> Kitfox-List message posted =0Aby: "Larry
Huntley" <asq@roadrunner.com>> > Just received this. Does it sou=0And like
the same material? Larry> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <i=0Anfo@
tognar.com>> To: "Larry Huntley" <asq@roadrunner.com>> Sent: Sunday=2C
=0AFebruary 01=2C 2009 7:54 PM> Subject: Re: ski saver> > > >> > Yes=2C
> > che=0Ack this link on our bags/racks page> > http://www.tognar.com/bags
_racks_boo=0At_ski_binding_snowboard_accessory.html> > The top item is the
scuff saver t=0Aape=2C> > Thanks=2C> > Cat> > www.tognar.com> >> >> >>
Do you still have "s=0Aki saver" tape? Larry Huntley asq@roadrunner.com> >
Ye> >> > > ------------=0A-------------------------------------------------
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=0ATime: 06:50:23 PM PST US=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Re: ski saver=0AFrom: "
AKFLYERBOB" <r.wolfejr@worldnet.att.net>=0A=0A=0ALarry=0AWhat material are
you talking about?=0AI'm sure every one would like to know.=0ABob=0A=0A----
----=0ABob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska=0AKF Mod I and III=0A=0A=0ARead this top
ic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228098#2
28098=0A=0A=0A________________________________- Message 18- ___________
_________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 08:17:28 PM PST US=0AFrom: Rexinato
r <rexinator@gmail.com>=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Elevator Gap Seal T
est Report=0A=0A=0AThat's exactly what I was trying to describe with my-
>-<- symbol and my =0Alittle drawn image file.- I agree with Lynn that
it's a nice job. Can =0Ayou elaborate on how you applied so well?=0A=0ARex
=0AColorado M2/582=0A=0A=0ALowlead wrote:=0A>=0A> I use a 3M 3372 polyureth
ane surface protection tape applied on both top and=0Abottom of the gap (pr
evious posts shown as >-=0A>=0A>=0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> http:
//forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228084#228084=0A>=0A>=0A> Attachme
nts: =0A> http://forums.matronics.com//files/gapseal1_141.jpg=0A>- =0A=0A
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______________=0A=0A=0ATime: 09:18:50 PM PST US=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List:
Fw: ski saver=0AFrom: John Bonewitz <bonewitz@gmail.com>=0A=0AWe have a wi
nner! I'm going to order some of this stuff. There are probably=0Alots of o
ther uses besides gap seal.=0A=0AThanks,=0AJohn Bonewitz=0ASeries 5=0A=0AOn
Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Larry Huntley <asq@roadrunner.com> wrote:=0A
=0A>=0A> Just received this. Does it sound like the same material?- Larry
=0A>=0A> ----- Original Message ----- From: <info@tognar.com>=0A> To: "Larr
y Huntley" <asq@roadrunner.com>=0A> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 7:54 PM
=0A> Subject: Re: ski saver=0A>=0A>=0A>> Yes,=0A>> check this link on our b
ags/racks page=0A>> http://www.tognar.com/bags_racks_boot_ski_binding_snowb
oard_accessory.html=0A>> The top item is the scuff saver tape,=0A>> Thanks,
=0A>> Cat=0A>> www.tognar.com=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>- Do you still have "ski save
r" tape?- Larry Huntley- asq@roadrunner.com=0A>>>=0A>> Ye=0A>>=0A>>=0A>
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| Subject: | Re: ski saver AKFLYERBOB |
-Equipment protection-
SKUFF SAVER Item #TYC 7210
$2.95 per foot
Protect the tops of your new skis or snowboard from scratches and
gouges. This clear tough Dupont Surlyn tape is backed with a self-adhesive
film for easy application and good bonding. It's 14" wide...enough to span
any single snowboard or pair of skis and is sold by the linear foot. Simply
order the length you need and trim the width with scissors to fit your
needs. Quantity:
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----- Original Message -----
From: "AKFLYERBOB" <r.wolfejr@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 9:49 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: ski saver
> <r.wolfejr@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Larry
> What material are you talking about?
> I'm sure every one would like to know.
> Bob
>
> --------
> Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska
> KF Mod I and III
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228098#228098
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: ski saver |
I think the amount of "curl down" can be controlled by the amount
that you press down between the tubes themselves....simply press more
into the gap before pressing onto the tubes and it should stay there.
I usually just lay it over the gap equally spaced on both sides and
press it down. I didn't get too worried about whether it went up or
down, although down would be preferred.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Feb 1, 2009, at 9:08 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Larry, Thanks for the web link. I ordered 5 feed just to have on
> hand. That price for 14" wide clear tape is unreal. There are many
> times I wanted some of that tape to protect paint on a car,
> motorcycle tank, etc. I'll use it on the gap seal, Alla Lynn
> Matteson top side only. Lynn, if that curls down into the gap,
> rather than up, I don't know why anybody would use any other method.
> do not archive
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
>
> > From: asq@roadrunner.com
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: ski saver
> > Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 20:38:03 -0500
> >
> <asq@roadrunner.com>
> >
> > Just received this. Does it sound like the same material? Larry
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <info@tognar.com>
> > To: "Larry Huntley" <asq@roadrunner.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 7:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: ski saver
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Yes,
> > > check this link on our bags/racks page
> > > http://www.tognar.com/
> bags_racks_boot_ski_binding_snowboard_accessory.html
> > > The top item is the scuff saver tape,
> > > Thanks,
> > > Cat
> > > www.tognar.com
> > >
> > >
> > >> Do you still have "ski saver" tape? Larry Huntley
> asq@roadrunner.com
> > > Ye
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test ReportElevator Gap Seal Test Report |
Noel,
If you are gap sealing your rudder,John McBean has a very nice contoured
hard foam for that purpose. I bought some of it and glued it to the horizontal
stab then covered it with 6 inch polyfiber tape. I painted it and it looks nice
.
Dick Maddux
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report |
Guys,
Please take a look at the following website.
http://www.aerographic.com/gap_seal.htm
These gap seals are used on Pitts and Eagle aircraft. They have been used on many
others as well. There not too expensive, easy to install and they are removable
and should last a long, long time! You can cut to length for your application
and for fitting around hinges. My buddy uses them on his beautiful Pitts
S2B. I will probably be getting some soon.
Chris Budd
N53RJ Kitfox IV Speedster
VW 2180 240hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report |
Lowlead,
That looks like an "X" job and a good one at that. I will have to try that
when mine peels off.
Dick Maddux
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report |
I think had a small sample sheet of this material back in 1984 which I
used to protect the front of a "chin" fairing on my Honda Interceptor.
It had the characteristics you describe, clear, very tough, designed for
protecting front of sporty cars paint from small rock chips.
Rex
Colorado M2/582
do not archive
Lowlead wrote:
>
> Thanks Rex (and Lynn)! I wish I could say that it's this consistent along the
entire length of the gap, but it's not. The gaps tend to be smaller on the outboard
ends due to the way the tightened fabric act on the stab and elevator frames.
>
> Installation is hard to describe but not that hard to do. One thing nice about
this tape is that it's very pliable and the adhesive is not super-aggressive
at first. The tape is applied across the gap (we'll say the top side first) with
a very slight 'drape' down and then firmly pressed onto the LE/TE tubes.
Then the bottom side tape is applied with a very slight drape up (I used a pc
of 1/4" tube to force the drape up) and then pressed onto the LE/TE tubes. The
two tapes stick to one another like a champ but leaves a triangular 'bubble'
running the entire length . I used a wooden tongue depressor and fingers to press
the top and bottom tapes together to eliminate the bubble. (see attached).
It's tough stuff and stretches well enough to get a tight installation. There's
no worries about tearing or punching through with the tongue depressor.
>
> The control surface (elevator or rudder) must be in the neutral position when
tape is applied or else a tension 'bias' might get built into the installation
(ex: rudder now pulls left or right due to tape..)
> Hope this makes sense...
>
> Dan H.
>
>
> rexinator wrote:
>
>> That's exactly what I was trying to describe with my >-< symbol and my
>> little drawn image file. I agree with Lynn that it's a nice job. Can
>> you elaborate on how you applied so well?
>>
>> Rex
>> Colorado M2/582
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228125#228125
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/gapseal2_183.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: air worthiness |
A DAR with the correct function code can issue a replacement.
All you need is to have him look in the FAA files (cost us $3.00) obtain the info
from the original.
do a letter requesting a replacement.
David
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Gap Seal Test Report |
John,
As some have said, use the 3M clear product. I would bet you can find a car accessory
shop that applies the "clear bra" to cars and they will sell you this
stuff by the foot. I found several local places that had it in widths of 6",
12", 24", etc. I bought the 24" wide stuff and cut it to the length and width
I needed for the intended use. I also applied it to the top side and wrapped
it around the front of my landing gear for protection and to the front of the
struts for about the first 4' from the fuse.
The product is very tough, UV resistant and crystal clear...the adhesive works
perfectly on painted surfaces and can be applied using a shot or two of Windex
and a small squeegee to remove any air bubbles
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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Didn't you guys see my post from 1 or 2 days ago where I talked about my
use of Ski Saver Tape and where to get it ??
George
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| Subject: | Kitfox owner location map |
Here's a great resource
http://www.frappr.com/kitfox
It's a dynamic push pin map with information about each Kitfox. It covers the whole
world. This has Kitfoxen not just from the mail list but everyone.
Put your push pin on the map!
If everyone did, you'd be able to find others in your area easily.
--------
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
425.440.9505 Office
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| Subject: | Elevator Gap Seal Test ReportElevator Gap Seal Test |
Report
Dick=2C Great picture of the tail of your plane. But=2C I'll be damned if I
can see any gap seal. I Like your TR3 also.
do not archivePat ReillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford=2C IL
From: Catz631@aol.comDate: Mon=2C 2 Feb 2009 09:57:11 -0500Subject: Re: Kit
fox-List: Elevator Gap Seal Test ReportElevator Gap Seal Test ReportTo: kit
fox-list@matronics.com
Noel=2C
If you are gap sealing your rudder=2CJohn McBean has a very nice contoured
hard foam for that purpose. I bought some of it and glued it to the horizo
ntal stab then covered it with 6 inch polyfiber tape. I painted it and it l
ooks nice .
Dick Maddux
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Lynn=2C Didn't you say you have elavator at full down and then apply tape.
This wouldn't require any pushing tape into groove. Or would having some ta
pe pushed into groove insure the tape would curl into the groove when eleva
tor was raised?Pat ReillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford=2C IL> From: lynnmatt@jp
s.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: ski saver> Date: Mon=2C 2 Feb 2009 08:
58:20 -0500> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-List message poste
d by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>> > I think the amount of "curl down"
can be controlled by the amount > that you press down between the tubes th
emselves....simply press more > into the gap before pressing onto the tubes
and it should stay there. > I usually just lay it over the gap equally spa
ced on both sides and > press it down. I didn't get too worried about wheth
er it went up or > down=2C although down would be preferred.> > Lynn Mattes
on> Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger> Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 605 hrs> Se
nsenich 62x46> Electroair direct-fire ignition system> New skis done and fl
ying> > > > > On Feb 1=2C 2009=2C at 9:08 PM=2C patrick reilly wrote:> > >
Larry=2C Thanks for the web link. I ordered 5 feed just to have on > > hand
. That price for 14" wide clear tape is unreal. There are many > > times I
wanted some of that tape to protect paint on a car=2C > > motorcycle tank
=2C etc. I'll use it on the gap seal=2C Alla Lynn > > Matteson top side onl
y. Lynn=2C if that curls down into the gap=2C > > rather than up=2C I don't
know why anybody would use any other method.> > do not archive> >> > Pat R
eilly> > Mod 3 582 Rebuild> > Rockford=2C IL> >> >> >> >> > > From: asq@roa
drunner.com> > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Kitfox-List: F
w: ski saver> > > Date: Sun=2C 1 Feb 2009 20:38:03 -0500> > >> > > --> Kitf
ox-List message posted by: "Larry Huntley" > > <asq@roadrunner.com>> > >> >
> Just received this. Does it sound like the same material? Larry> > >> >
> ----- Original Message -----> > > From: <info@tognar.com>> > > To: "Larry
Huntley" <asq@roadrunner.com>> > > Sent: Sunday=2C February 01=2C 2009 7:5
4 PM> > > Subject: Re: ski saver> > >> > >> > > >> > > > Yes=2C> > > > chec
k this link on our bags/racks page> > > > http://www.tognar.com/ > > bags_r
acks_boot_ski_binding_snowboard_accessory.html> > > > The top item is the s
cuff saver tape=2C> > > > Thanks=2C> > > > Cat> > > > www.tognar.com> > > >
> > > >> > > >> Do you still have "ski saver" tape? Larry Huntley > > asq@r
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox broken motor mount |
the mount broke Ware it attaches to the vibration dampener on the rear pass
enger side on my mod 2 w/582- 170 hrs airframe has this happened to anybo
dy? i plan on having it gas welded by a local pilot/ welder - - malcolm
--- On Mon, 2/2/09, George Wells <georgewells@roadrunner.com> wrote:
From: George Wells <georgewells@roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ski saver
Didn't you guys see my post from 1 or 2 days ago
where I talked about my use of Ski Saver Tape-and where to get it
??
George
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Maintaining video quality when posting is somewhat of a problem with YouTube. I
discovered this site which has few if any ads and the video quality is excellent.
<http://www.vimeo.com/2986295>
The format is very nice with thumbnail images and a nice indexing scheme.
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Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox broken motor mount |
Just a thought... I think after welding the joint has to be normalized to
prevent it from cracking in the joint again.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm
Brubaker
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 9:28 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox broken motor mount
the mount broke Ware it attaches to the vibration dampener on the rear
passenger side on my mod 2 w/582 170 hrs airframe has this happened to
anybody? i plan on having it gas welded by a local pilot/ welder malcolm
--- On Mon, 2/2/09, George Wells <georgewells@roadrunner.com> wrote:
From: George Wells <georgewells@roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ski saver
Didn't you guys see my post from 1 or 2 days ago where I talked about my use
of Ski Saver Tape and where to get it ??
George
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| Subject: | Flaperon hinge brackets |
My flaperon hinge brackets were made and the holes drilled in the ribs before the
wing was covered. Now that the wing is covered the hinge brackets won't fit
flat onto the wing without putting considerable stress on the rivets at the rear
of the bracket. This is because the wing trailing edge is now thicker because
of the fabric, tapes, and paint. See the attached photo.
Any suggestions on what to do. I can push hard and press the bracket down on to
the wing surface, but it puts a lot of bending stress on the bracket. Any ideas?
thanks for the help,
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Clem Wehner
Tulsa, OK
Kitfox IV-912
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: ski saver |
I put my tape on at full down, yes, and like you observed, just
having a little "down into" radius will assure that it stays there
when the 'vator is raised. I may try to apply some from the bottom
side with the 'vator held up, and see how that works...along with the
top being covered.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Feb 2, 2009, at 8:06 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, Didn't you say you have elavator at full down and then apply
> tape. This wouldn't require any pushing tape into groove. Or would
> having some tape pushed into groove insure the tape would curl into
> the groove when elevator was raised?
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
>
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Lynn=2C I was also wondering how covering both sides with your method of fu
ll elevator up and down would work. I'm not to that stage yet. As a matter
of fact I received today the RAC servo from ACS to use with Lowell Fitts tr
im tab kit. So=2C I will be tearing my elevator apart. Have you got a trim
tab on the elevator? Or=2C do you use the Flaperons to trim?Pat ReillyMod
3 582 RebuildRockford=2C IL> From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-Li
st: Fw: ski saver> Date: Mon=2C 2 Feb 2009 22:01:43 -0500> To: kitfox-list@
@jps.net>> > I put my tape on at full down=2C yes=2C and like you observed
=2C just > having a little "down into" radius will assure that it stays the
re > when the 'vator is raised. I may try to apply some from the bottom > s
ide with the 'vator held up=2C and see how that works...along with the > to
p being covered.> > Lynn Matteson> Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger> Jabi
ru 2200=2C #2062=2C 605 hrs> Sensenich 62x46> Electroair direct-fire igniti
on system> New skis done and flying> do not archive> > > > On Feb 2=2C 2009
=2C at 8:06 PM=2C patrick reilly wrote:> > > Lynn=2C Didn't you say you hav
e elavator at full down and then apply > > tape. This wouldn't require any
pushing tape into groove. Or would > > having some tape pushed into groove
insure the tape would curl into > > the groove when elevator was raised?> >
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: ski saver |
Factory-built trim tab with RAC servo. Using the flaperons for trim
slows the plane down, which is why one of the Speedster mods was the
electric trim.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Feb 2, 2009, at 10:19 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, I was also wondering how covering both sides with your method
> of full elevator up and down would work. I'm not to that stage yet.
> As a matter of fact I received today the RAC servo from ACS to use
> with Lowell Fitts trim tab kit. So, I will be tearing my elevator
> apart. Have you got a trim tab on the elevator? Or, do you use the
> Flaperons to trim?
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon hinge brackets |
> My flaperon hinge brackets were made and the holes drilled in the ribs before
the wing was covered. Now that the wing is covered the hinge brackets won't fit
flat onto the wing without putting considerable stress on the rivets at the
rear of the bracket. This is because the wing trailing edge is now thicker because
of the fabric, tapes, and paint. See the attached photo.
>
> Any suggestions on what to do. I can push hard and press the bracket down on
to the wing surface, but it puts a lot of bending stress on the bracket. Any ideas?
Clem, The builder's manual says to fit and drill first then cover as you have done.
Mine were a tight fit too.
I set the flaperon in place then installed and tightened the hinge bolts to take
the stress off the rear rivet before I squeezed the brackets tight to the rib
with one hand and riveted with the other hand.
The rear bracket rivets have held fine. I have had the flaperons off a couple
times and the bracket bolt holes in the brackets line up perfect when I reinstall
the flaperons. Also the bracket to rib rivets are holding tight.
I rib laced and put no rib lacing reinforcement tape or rib finish tape under the
brackets.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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