---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/05/09: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:53 AM - Devils Tower (steve shinabery) 2. 04:44 AM - Re: A $100 hamburger (Dee Young) 3. 07:02 AM - John Beirne, trailer photos (Tom Jones) 4. 07:39 AM - Re: Brake line fittings question... (Tom Jones) 5. 07:48 AM - Re: A $100 hamburger (Lynn Matteson) 6. 07:51 AM - Re: Devils Tower (Lynn Matteson) 7. 08:41 AM - Re: Devils Tower (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 8. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) (Noel Loveys) 9. 08:50 AM - Re: Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) (Noel Loveys) 10. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: Mogas revisited (Noel Loveys) 11. 09:52 AM - Re: Devils Tower (Lynn Matteson) 12. 10:04 AM - Re: A $100 hamburger (Paul A. Franz, P.E.) 13. 10:12 AM - Re: Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) (Lynn Matteson) 14. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: A $100 hamburger (Lynn Matteson) 15. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: Mogas revisitedMogas revisited (George Wells) 16. 12:17 PM - Re: Mogas revisitedMogas revisited (Paul A. Franz, P.E.) 17. 01:26 PM - Re: Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) (Noel Loveys) 18. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: A $100 hamburger (Randy Daughenbaugh) 19. 01:54 PM - Re: Mogas revisitedMogas revisited (Roger Lee) 20. 02:01 PM - Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) (Roger Lee) 21. 02:08 PM - FS: Carb Synchro kit (darinh) 22. 02:38 PM - Re: Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) (Lynn Matteson) 23. 03:37 PM - Re: Devils Tower (patrick reilly) 24. 03:54 PM - Mogas revisited ( Back on track) (fox5flyer) 25. 04:03 PM - Snowshoes on struts (fox5flyer) 26. 04:14 PM - Another great day to go flying. (Randy Daughenbaugh) 27. 04:48 PM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (Lynn Matteson) 28. 04:54 PM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (John W. Hart) 29. 05:24 PM - Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) (Roger Lee) 30. 07:45 PM - Re: FS: Carb Synchro kit (darinh) 31. 07:47 PM - trailering your LSA - skip the trailer (Paul Franz - Merlin GT) 32. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) (Paul Franz - Merlin GT) 33. 08:05 PM - Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer (AKFLYERBOB) 34. 09:32 PM - Re: Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer (Lynn Matteson) 35. 10:16 PM - Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer (AKFLYERBOB) 36. 10:23 PM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (AKFLYERBOB) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:05 AM PST US From: steve shinabery Subject: Kitfox-List: Devils Tower RANDY,thanks 4 the picture,,what a great one...Wish I could of been there all so...I am tired of the snow.app 7".here in Ohio...and cold app 5deg this morr...Burr,it is cold...to cold to do any thing....Steve Shinabery,St.Marys Ohio,,N554KF KF2 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:39 AM PST US From: "Dee Young" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: A $100 hamburger Excellent, thanks for sharing. Dee Do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:16 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: John Beirne, trailer photos From: "Tom Jones" John, Attached are a few photos of my kitfox trailer. I couldn't attach them in a reply to PM, so here they are. Others may be interested anyhow. It is an old two place snowmobile trailer. I replaced the tongue with one 16 feet long. There is a little hand crank boat winch on the front of the tongue to crank the Kitfox up onto the deck. I set the tail on the deck before folding the wings. If I was starting from scratch I think I would design a trailer so that the kitfox would sit lower to the ground like you see some of the modified boat trailers. I just used this trailer because I already had it on hand. Here is a link to the Trailers/towing section on the Sportflight web site if you haven't found that yet. http://www.sportflight.com/cgi-bin/uploader.pl?action=main&category=Trailers/Towing Let me know if you need more details. I would be happy to snap more photos if you need some. Tom Jones -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228642#228642 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/winch_attachment_to_tail_spring_213.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/wheel_tie_down_199.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/tail_support_138.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/loading3_322.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/loading2_829.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/loading1_208.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/empty_trailer_178.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:30 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Brake line fittings question... From: "Tom Jones" > I've started work on the Brakes and over the years have managed to lose a few Brass poly-flo fittings. Does it matter if the fittings with the "brass" sleeves OR the "nylon" sleeves are used, or is one one or the other required using the Nylaflo pressure tubing. Clem, at less than a dollar each I would stick with the brass fittings with the captive sleeve. Thats what was supplied with my kit. Here they are in Aircraft Spruce. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/polyflofittings.php -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228656#228656 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:07 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: A $100 hamburger Good report, Randy....I was gonna pass by the Tower on my way home from California in 2007, but got homesick and didn't take the time. Now I've got a reason to go back there. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs Sensenich 62x46 Electroair direct-fire ignition system New skis done and flying do not archive On Feb 4, 2009, at 10:38 PM, Randy Daughenbaugh wrote: > Its been a cold winter and the forecast for today was near 60 F, > so I called a friend and he joined me for a flight for a Hamburger. > > > We left the ranch about 10:00 and flew around his vacation house in > Wyoming on the way to Hewlett Wyoming. We also went by Devils Tower > before we landed. I thought I would send a picture out. It is not > from the normal tourist angle. > > > Randy > > Series 5/7 912S Warpdrive > > Near Mount Rushmore in South Dakota > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:46 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Devils Tower That ain't cold, Steve, our 13 below 0, F is cold, and somebody will surely top that. : ) We are looking at the high 40's this weekend and rain, so some/a lot of our 12-14" of snow will bid us buh-bye, I'm sure. Not too cold to build some skis, Steve...hint, hint. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs Sensenich 62x46 Electroair direct-fire ignition system New skis done and flying do not archive On Feb 5, 2009, at 4:53 AM, steve shinabery wrote: > > RANDY,thanks 4 the picture,,what a great one...Wish I could of been > there all so...I am tired of the snow.app 7".here in Ohio...and > cold app 5deg this morr...Burr,it is cold...to cold to do any > thing....Steve Shinabery,St.Marys Ohio,,N554KF KF2 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:51 AM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Devils Tower You asked for it Lynn=2C a weather observer near me reported that last Sat urday was the first time it got above freezing since November. I know it h as been colder than usual this year up here in northern Mn. We have about 2 feet of snow on the ground now. I think I better go stoke the wood stove again. Jim Chuk Avid MK IV Mn> From: lynnmatt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kit fox-List: Devils Tower> Date: Thu=2C 5 Feb 2009 10:51:16 -0500> To: kitfox- nmatt@jps.net>> > That ain't cold=2C Steve=2C our 13 below 0=2C F is cold =2C and somebody will > surely top that. : ) We are looking at the high 40' s this weekend > and rain=2C so some/a lot of our 12-14" of snow will bid u s buh-bye=2C > I'm sure.> > Not too cold to build some skis=2C Steve...hint =2C hint.> > Lynn Matteson> Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger> Jabiru 2200 =2C #2062=2C 605 hrs> Sensenich 62x46> Electroair direct-fire ignition syst em> New skis done and flying> do not archive> > > > On Feb 5=2C 2009=2C at teve shinabery > >> > RANDY=2Cthanks 4 the picture=2C=2C what a great one...Wish I could of been > > there all so...I am tired of th e snow.app 7".here in Ohio...and > > cold app 5deg this morr...Burr=2Cit is cold...to cold to do any > > thing....Steve Shinabery=2CSt.Marys Ohio=2C =======================> > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:12 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) There is one other answer to the ethanol attacking the tanks. I have no idea about the cost but the tanks are rotary moulded from ethanol proof plastic. The idea is you can take a portion of the skins off the top of your wings, remove the tops of your existing tanks and drop these tanks in. Not counting the recovering it should take less than a couple of hours to refit your existing tanks. There is a loss of volume and no doubt a pound or so weight penalty but it is a way of protecting from having part of your tanks found in your carb(s) without having to completely rebuild your wing(s) Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gilbey69 Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) not so on the ethanol in NC steve,i was using BP gas in wilmington nc to fuel up my rv6,as it used to be free from it, when i was using it to fill up my kitfox speedster when i had it,formerly in fayetteville nc,lived in wilmington for the past year, so was using it here for the 6,i started to keep a check on it here for the last few months,went to fill up one day a couple of months ago and lo and behold,on checking before filling up, i had 10 per cent ethanel in it,just glad i checked that batch,no where on the tanks is it listed as having same,a neighbor and i started checking the stations here and talking to some dealers, at this point only one dealer in this town has gas without it in it, and he advertises it,i have yet to find another station here that sells it, nor a station to show it as having ethanal on there pumps,another pilot in the community here that i live in states that he was told its not manadtory by the federal gov. to do so,nor the states, the only way to find out for sure is to check the gas as you buy it,the gas is not shipped with it in,its put in it here before its delievered to the pumps,as specified by the dealer,where ever he gets it from, frank goggio wilmington nc rv6a former kitfox owner ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:34 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) Oops! I forgot the link to the tanks http://www.wingtanks.com This, to me, seems to take care of the biggest problem with ethanol fuel. Now the only thing left is a way to keep the fuel from cooling too much in flight, there by eliminating the possibility of a phase separation. Any ideas? Temperature gauges in the fuel? Small 1/16" ID tubes passing through the tanks that some of the coolant either before or after the rad could be channelled through. I'm not talking about boiling the gas... just keeping it at say 65F. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gilbey69 Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) not so on the ethanol in NC steve,i was using BP gas in wilmington nc to fuel up my rv6,as it used to be free from it, when i was using it to fill up my kitfox speedster when i had it,formerly in fayetteville nc,lived in wilmington for the past year, so was using it here for the 6,i started to keep a check on it here for the last few months,went to fill up one day a couple of months ago and lo and behold,on checking before filling up, i had 10 per cent ethanel in it,just glad i checked that batch,no where on the tanks is it listed as having same,a neighbor and i started checking the stations here and talking to some dealers, at this point only one dealer in this town has gas without it in it, and he advertises it,i have yet to find another station here that sells it, nor a station to show it as having ethanal on there pumps,another pilot in the community here that i live in states that he was told its not manadtory by the federal gov. to do so,nor the states, the only way to find out for sure is to check the gas as you buy it,the gas is not shipped with it in,its put in it here before its delievered to the pumps,as specified by the dealer,where ever he gets it from, frank goggio wilmington nc rv6a former kitfox owner ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:56 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Mogas revisited Or hang out here a while Wink- wink Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Lee Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Mogas revisited Hi Noel, According to all that is written from the fuel companies and people in the industry they can't make unleaded fuels yet over 96 octane without the other unwanted things like lead, ethanol or methanol. I had to do a research project on fuels a year ago and I learned this at that time. We use 91 Octane because of our compression ratio in the 912 100 hp. being higher than the 912 80 hp. The 91 octane sit time is about 3 weeks, then you are losing octane and additives through evaporation even if you have a lid on the container. Gas vaporizes at -45F. Semi synthetic oil is for 100LL and either semi or full synthetic for 91. Full synthetic does not suspend lead and it falls out in the gearbox and crankcase. You should not be letting plugs run to 150 hr. Rotax schools recommend 75 for 91 octane and 50 for 100LL use. No where in any manual has Rotax ever had 150 plug change. It used to be 100 hrs. years ago, but is taught different now. Fuel scavengers like Decalin does help Rotax 91! 2's. It helps keep the lead soft and helps keep it off everything in the cylinder( i.e. plugs, valves, valve seats, cyl. heads). This scavenger should help blow more out the exhaust. I would recommend that all that do their own work go to a Rotax service school and a line maint school. These are two day schools and $500 each. A&P's really need to go. [Wink] -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228541#228541 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:53 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Devils Tower I think this has been a long, cold winter for a lot of us....we are on a record-setting pace for snowfall here in southern Lower Michigan. I'v really been getting my money's worth out of these skis, unlike the previous 2 years, where half the time I could have chanced flying without them. Two feet, eh? That would be enough to make me think twice about venturing out. Not so much as to whether the plane could handle that much depth, but whether the pilot could, if he had to get out and walk. I gotta get some snowshoes to hang on the struts....they look so cool!! (but probably illegal, so says my CFI, the kill-joy!) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs Sensenich 62x46 Electroair direct-fire ignition system New skis done and flying do not archive On Feb 5, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote: > You asked for it Lynn, a weather observer near me reported that > last Saturday was the first time it got above freezing since > November. I know it has been colder than usual this year up here > in northern Mn. We have about 2 feet of snow on the ground now. I > think I better go stoke the wood stove again. Jim Chuk Avid MK > IV Mn > > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Devils Tower > > Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:51:16 -0500 > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > > > > That ain't cold, Steve, our 13 below 0, F is cold, and somebody will > > surely top that. : ) We are looking at the high 40's this weekend > > and rain, so some/a lot of our 12-14" of snow will bid us buh-bye, > > I'm sure. > > > > Not too cold to build some skis, Steve...hint, hint. > > > > Lynn Matteson > > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger > > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs > > Sensenich 62x46 > > Electroair direct-fire ignition system > > New skis done and flying > > do not archive > > > > > > > > On Feb 5, 2009, at 4:53 AM, steve shinabery wrote: > > > > > > > > > RANDY,thanks 4 the picture,,what a great one...Wish I could of > been > > > there all so...I am tired of the snow.app 7".here in Ohio...and > > > cold app 5deg this morr...Burr,it is cold...to cold to do any > > > thing....Steve Shinabery,St.Marys Ohio,,N554KF KF2 > > > > > > > Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > >== > > > > > > > > Windows Live: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. Check > it out._- > ============================================================ _- > ============================================================ _- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:18 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: A $100 hamburger From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." rjdaugh wrote: > > We left the ranch about 10:00 and flew around his vacation house in Wyoming on the way to Hewlett Wyoming. We also went by Devils Tower before we landed. I thought I would send a picture out. It is not from the normal tourist angle. Nice photo Randy. I'd be a bit worried about posting it though. Did you know about this: [http://www.nps.gov/deto/planyourvisit/upload/DETO%20No%20Fly%20Advisory%20Bulletin-Final.pdf] There's a no-fly zone 2 miles around Devil's Tower, 3 miles in June. -------- Paul A. Franz, P.E. Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP Bellevue WA 425.241.1618 Cell 425.440.9505 Office Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228693#228693 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:13 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) "Should be able to do in an afternoon"? Must live above the Arctic Circle where the afternoons are 6 months long, I'm thinking. Looks like a doable fix for a bad tank, though. At what temperature does this "phase separation" occur? Man, I don't want to go through all this just to avoid using 100LL....and I won't...as long as I can possibly help it. Damn the Government and their stinkin' ethanol! Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs Sensenich 62x46 Electroair direct-fire ignition system New skis done and flying On Feb 5, 2009, at 11:50 AM, Noel Loveys wrote: > Oops! I forgot the link to the tanks > > > http://www.wingtanks.com > > > This, to me, seems to take care of the biggest problem with ethanol > fuel. Now the only thing left is a way to keep the fuel from > cooling too much in flight, there by eliminating the possibility of > a phase separation. > > > Any ideas? Temperature gauges in the fuel? Small 1/16 ID tubes > passing through the tanks that some of the coolant either before or > after the rad could be channelled through. Im not talking about > boiling the gas... just keeping it at say 65F. > > > Noel > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:58 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: A $100 hamburger I'm thinking that looks like just about 2 miles, Paul....maybe more with the telephoto lens that he used and all. : ) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs Sensenich 62x46 Electroair direct-fire ignition system New skis done and flying do not archive On Feb 5, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote: > > > > rjdaugh wrote: >> >> We left the ranch about 10:00 and flew around his vacation house >> in Wyoming on the way to Hewlett Wyoming. We also went by Devils >> Tower before we landed. I thought I would send a picture out. It >> is not from the normal tourist angle. > > > Nice photo Randy. I'd be a bit worried about posting it though. Did > you know about this: > > [http://www.nps.gov/deto/planyourvisit/upload/DETO%20No%20Fly% > 20Advisory%20Bulletin-Final.pdf] > > There's a no-fly zone 2 miles around Devil's Tower, 3 miles in June. > > -------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:21 AM PST US From: "George Wells" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Mogas revisitedMogas revisited What if I buy regular unleaded ( winh no Eathanol) 87 oct. and mix it half & Half with 100LL will I come up with arround 95 oct. with half the Lead ?? Thanks George ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:44 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Mogas revisitedMogas revisited From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." oscardog wrote: > What if I buy regular unleaded ( winh no Eathanol) 87 oct. and mix it half & Half with 100LL will I come up with arround 95 oct. with half the Lead ?? > Thanks > George > You're mixing numbers from more than one Octane rating system. 100LL would not have a 100 Octane rating with the system that displays numbers at the pumps in the US. > In most countries (including all of Europe and Australia) the "headline" octane rating, shown on the pump, is the RON, but in the United States, Canada and some other countries the headline number is the average of the RON and the MON, sometimes called the Anti-Knock Index (AKI), Road Octane Number (RdON), Pump Octane Number (PON), or (R+M)/2. Because of the 8 to 10 point difference noted above, the octane rating shown in the United States is 4 to 5 points lower than the same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the "regular" gasoline in the US and Canada, is 9192 in Europe. However most European pumps deliver 95 (RON) as "unleaded", equivalent to 9091 US (R+M)/2, and some even deliver 98 (RON), 100 (RON), or 102 (RON).[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating Which should provide additional information. Also see this for more detailed information on gasoline content. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline Here is a very comprehensive FAQ on gasoline and should dispel a number of myths recently promulgated on this list. http://www.faqs.org/faqs/autos/gasoline-faq/part1/preamble.html -------- Paul A. Franz, P.E. Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP Bellevue WA 425.241.1618 Cell 425.440.9505 Office Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228713#228713 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:53 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) I did say except for the recovering :-) In the summer the sun sets a few minutes after 9:00p.m. but it isn't exactly what you would call dark until around 10:30p.m. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:42 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) "Should be able to do in an afternoon"? Must live above the Arctic Circle where the afternoons are 6 months long, I'm thinking. Looks like a doable fix for a bad tank, though. At what temperature does this "phase separation" occur? Man, I don't want to go through all this just to avoid using 100LL....and I won't...as long as I can possibly help it. Damn the Government and their stinkin' ethanol! Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs Sensenich 62x46 Electroair direct-fire ignition system New skis done and flying On Feb 5, 2009, at 11:50 AM, Noel Loveys wrote: > Oops! I forgot the link to the tanks > > > http://www.wingtanks.com > > > This, to me, seems to take care of the biggest problem with ethanol > fuel. Now the only thing left is a way to keep the fuel from > cooling too much in flight, there by eliminating the possibility of > a phase separation. > > > Any ideas? Temperature gauges in the fuel? Small 1/16" ID tubes > passing through the tanks that some of the coolant either before or > after the rad could be channelled through. I'm not talking about > boiling the gas... just keeping it at say 65F. > > > Noel > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:09 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: A $100 hamburger I like the way your think Lynn! Actually we have photographic proof that we were about 4 miles away. Those peaks in the foreground of my picture are the Missouri Buttes. But thanks Paul! I was not aware of that restriction. I was out flying again today. Will try to post another picture or two. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: A $100 hamburger I'm thinking that looks like just about 2 miles, Paul....maybe more with the telephoto lens that he used and all. : ) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs Sensenich 62x46 Electroair direct-fire ignition system New skis done and flying do not archive On Feb 5, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote: > > > > rjdaugh wrote: >> >> We left the ranch about 10:00 and flew around his vacation house >> in Wyoming on the way to Hewlett Wyoming. We also went by Devils >> Tower before we landed. I thought I would send a picture out. It >> is not from the normal tourist angle. > > > Nice photo Randy. I'd be a bit worried about posting it though. Did > you know about this: > > [http://www.nps.gov/deto/planyourvisit/upload/DETO%20No%20Fly% > 20Advisory%20Bulletin-Final.pdf] > > There's a no-fly zone 2 miles around Devil's Tower, 3 miles in June. > > -------- ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:51 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Mogas revisitedMogas revisited From: "Roger Lee" Yes you can mix 100LL with 87 octane. No more than 50% 87. If you error do it on the side of the 100LL like 60% 100LL and 40% 87. The 50/50 rule is taught in Rotax schools. It will give you an appropriate octane for your 912ULS. People have been using this rule for years. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228733#228733 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:46 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) From: "Roger Lee" So you don't have to tear up a wing covering why not just pull the wing and slosh the tanks with Kreem Weiss. It is easy, it sticks to anything plastics or metals, it is used worldwide in all kinds of fuel tanks. Flight Design uses it in all their planes. It is used in the aircraft industry, automotive and the motorcycle industry. It is impervious to all fuels, oils and fluids. It is very easy to use and it will make your tank dang near bullet proof for any leaks and help a little on the insulation factor. It does not chip or flake. Good stuff! -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228736#228736 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:08:31 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: FS: Carb Synchro kit From: "darinh" I am selling my pneumatic synchro kit because I am upgrading to a digital unit. This is the kit you can purchase from California Power Systems or Lockwood (Link to CPS page below) http://www.rotaxparts.net/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=1297 It has been used 4 or 5 times and is basically in new condition. Everything listed in the link above comes with it as well as extra tubing & fittings to extend the leads back further away from the rotating prop. Paid $80 for it, would like to get $55 shipped to your door. -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 914 Turbo Kaysville, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228738#228738 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:24 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) It works for me...for the last 3 years, anyway, but no ethanol has ever touched my lips.....er, my tanks, I mean. Seriously, I think the whole thing with Kreem is to do a GOOD job of getting the old stuff completely washed out, and the new stuff thoroughly impregnated into the CLEAN inner surface of the tank. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs Sensenich 62x46 Electroair direct-fire ignition system New skis done and flying On Feb 5, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Roger Lee wrote: > > So you don't have to tear up a wing covering why not just pull the > wing and slosh the tanks with Kreem Weiss. It is easy, it sticks to > anything plastics or metals, it is used worldwide in all kinds of > fuel tanks. Flight Design uses it in all their planes. It is used > in the aircraft industry, automotive and the motorcycle industry. > It is impervious to all fuels, oils and fluids. It is very easy to > use and it will make your tank dang near bullet proof for any leaks > and help a little on the insulation factor. It does not chip or flake. > Good stuff! > > -------- > Roger Lee > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:55 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Devils Tower Yeah=2C It's a year colder than normal because of global warming Al Gore sa ys. do not archivePat ReillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford=2C IL> From: lynnmatt@jps .net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Devils Tower> Date: Thu=2C 5 Feb 2009 12:51 :56 -0500> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson > > I think this has been a long=2C col d winter for a lot of us....we are > on a record-setting pace for snowfall here in southern Lower > Michigan. I'v really been getting my money's worth out of these skis=2C > unlike the previous 2 years=2C where half the time I could have chanced > flying without them.> > Two feet=2C eh? That would b e enough to make me think twice about > venturing out. Not so much as to wh ether the plane could handle that > much depth=2C but whether the pilot cou ld=2C if he had to get out and > walk. I gotta get some snowshoes to hang o n the struts....they look > so cool!! (but probably illegal=2C so says my C FI=2C the kill-joy!)> > Lynn Matteson> Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger> Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 605 hrs> Sensenich 62x46> Electroair direct-fire ig nition system> New skis done and flying> do not archive> > > > On Feb 5=2C 2009=2C at 11:41 AM=2C Jim_and_Lucy Chuk wrote:> > > You asked for it Lynn =2C a weather observer near me reported that > > last Saturday was the firs t time it got above freezing since > > November. I know it has been colder than usual this year up here > > in northern Mn. We have about 2 feet of sn ow on the ground now. I > > think I better go stoke the wood stove again. J im Chuk Avid MK > > IV Mn> >> > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Devils Tower> > > Date: Thu=2C 5 Feb 2009 10:51:16 -0500> > > Lynn Matteson > > >> > > That ain't cold=2C Steve=2C our 13 below 0=2C F is cold=2C and somebody will> > > surely top that. : ) We a re looking at the high 40's this weekend> > > and rain=2C so some/a lot of our 12-14" of snow will bid us buh-bye=2C> > > I'm sure.> > >> > > Not too cold to build some skis=2C Steve...hint=2C hint.> > >> > > Lynn Matteson> > > Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger> > > Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 605 hrs> > > Sensenich 62x46> > > Electroair direct-fire ignition system> > > New s kis done and flying> > > do not archive> > >> > >> > >> > > On Feb 5=2C 200 9=2C at 4:53 AM=2C steve shinabery wrote:> > >> > > > --> Kitfox-List messa ge posted by: steve shinabery > > > > > >> > > > RANDY =2Cthanks 4 the picture=2C=2Cwhat a great one...Wish I could of > > been> > > > there all so...I am tired of the snow.app 7".here in Ohio...and> > > > cold app 5deg this morr...Burr=2Cit is cold...to cold to do any> > > > thi ng....Steve Shinabery=2CSt.Marys Ohio=2C=2CN554KF KF2> > > >> > > >> > Arch ive Search & Download=2C 7-Day Browse=2C Chat=2C FAQ=2C> > >===> > >> > >> > >> >> > Windows Live=99: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to conn ect. Check > > it out._- > > =============== ==================== _- > > == ======== _- > > ============== ===================== _- > > cont ribution_- > > ==================== ======> > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:46 PM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) Exactly, Lynn. If I may add, after the tank is "CLEAN" and dry, mix the Kreem 50/50 MEK before sloshing. It flows much better and you only need a very thin coat anyway. Just don't miss any spots. Deke warming up in NE MI. currently 15f at 1850 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) > > It works for me...for the last 3 years, anyway, but no ethanol has ever > touched my lips.....er, my tanks, I mean. Seriously, I think the whole > thing with Kreem is to do a GOOD job of getting the old stuff completely > washed out, and the new stuff thoroughly impregnated into the CLEAN inner > surface of the tank. > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs > Sensenich 62x46 > Electroair direct-fire ignition system > New skis done and flying > > > On Feb 5, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Roger Lee wrote: > >> >> So you don't have to tear up a wing covering why not just pull the wing >> and slosh the tanks with Kreem Weiss. It is easy, it sticks to anything >> plastics or metals, it is used worldwide in all kinds of fuel tanks. >> Flight Design uses it in all their planes. It is used in the aircraft >> industry, automotive and the motorcycle industry. It is impervious to >> all fuels, oils and fluids. It is very easy to use and it will make your >> tank dang near bullet proof for any leaks and help a little on the >> insulation factor. It does not chip or flake. >> Good stuff! >> >> -------- >> Roger Lee >> > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:35 PM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts I would ask my CFI to quote the reg that says it's illegal, Lynn. Actually, it's a pretty good question though. Perhaps, if he's back in town, Snake Man can answer that one. And, Pat, I believe it's now called "climate change". So it goes... Deke NE MI S5 and looking for some snow melt do not archive Yeah, It's a year colder than normal because of global warming Al Gore says. do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL > > I think this has been a long, cold winter for a lot of us....we are > on a record-setting pace for snowfall here in southern Lower > Michigan. I'v really been getting my money's worth out of these skis, > unlike the previous 2 years, where half the time I could have chanced > flying without them. > > Two feet, eh? That would be enough to make me think twice about > venturing out. Not so much as to whether the plane could handle that > much depth, but whether the pilot could, if he had to get out and > walk. I gotta get some snowshoes to hang on the struts....they look > so cool!! (but probably illegal, so says my CFI, the kill-joy!) > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs > Sensenich 62x46 > Electroair direct-fire ignition system > New skis done and flying > do not archive ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:31 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: Kitfox-List: Another great day to go flying. Thanks for all the nice comments from the picture of Devils Tower yesterday. Today was another great day and my wife wanted to go fly some place so we went to Cedar Butte in the Badlands to scout some pathways to climb to the top of it. We neglected to take any pictures of it - the top looks like a runway and a crosswind runway - but we took some pictures on our way to Wall Drug for lunch. I get nervous flying over some of this, but usually there are some flat spots that would work for a ktifox glider. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:17 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts I seem to recall him saying that anything that is strapped onto the outside of the plane is "illegal carrying of cargo" or something like that. No use asking the Snake Man, those guys in the 49th State have been getting away with murder (figure of speech) for years, so I've read anyway. The way I've read about the early bush-country flying is that they have an unspoken rule up there that the FAA looks the other way and pretty much allow whatever the pilot can get on board as "legal". One account I read...I believe it was in "Wager with the wind...the Don Sheldon story", but I can't be sure....told of an FAA guy who busted a pilot for carrying either too heavy a load, or carrying it outside of the plane, or something that the "book" said was against the rules, and it wasn't too long before the FAA guy was soon spending his time in some remote God-forsaken outpost doing menial duty. This may have changed over the years, and maybe someone from Alaska might shed some light on the current practice....or on the carrying of cargo outside the plane, for that matter. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs Sensenich 62x46 Electroair direct-fire ignition system New skis done and flying On Feb 5, 2009, at 7:02 PM, fox5flyer wrote: > I would ask my CFI to quote the reg that says it's illegal, Lynn. > Actually, it's a pretty good question though. Perhaps, if he's > back in town, Snake Man can answer that one. > And, Pat, I believe it's now called "climate change". So it goes... > Deke > NE MI S5 and looking for some snow melt > do not archive > > > Yeah, It's a year colder than normal because of global warming Al > Gore says. > do not archive > > Pat Reilly > Mod 3 582 Rebuild > Rockford, IL > > > > > > I think this has been a long, cold winter for a lot of us....we are > > on a record-setting pace for snowfall here in southern Lower > > Michigan. I'v really been getting my money's worth out of these > skis, > > unlike the previous 2 years, where half the time I could have > chanced > > flying without them. > > > > Two feet, eh? That would be enough to make me think twice about > > venturing out. Not so much as to whether the plane could handle that > > much depth, but whether the pilot could, if he had to get out and > > walk. I gotta get some snowshoes to hang on the struts....they look > > so cool!! (but probably illegal, so says my CFI, the kill-joy!) > > > > Lynn Matteson > > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger > > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs > > Sensenich 62x46 > > Electroair direct-fire ignition system > > New skis done and flying > > do not archive > ============================================================ _- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:43 PM PST US From: "John W. Hart" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts The manufacturer of a certificated aircraft must publish an owner/operator manual, and a certificated aircraft can have no modifications to it that are not in the Type Certificate Data Sheet, unless such modifications are covered by a Supplemental Type Certificate or field approval on a 337 Form. External loads must comply with the above documents on certificated aircraft. Experimental aircraft do not fall under the above mentioned rules. The manufacturer (builder) of an Experimental aircraft determines the way in which the aircraft may be used, i.e., external loads. If the Operating Limitations for a given Experimental aircraft prohibit external loads, then the prohibition applies. As is the case with tires, floats, etc. that a builder wants to use on an Experimental aircraft, external loads may be carried if the builder wants to determine the safe loading of the external load to include weight and balance, makes the appropriate entries in the logbook, flies the aircraft so loaded the requisite time determined by either the particular configuration (usually 5 hours) or as determined by the FSDO. Once the requisite flight time is completed and the appropriate logbook entries are made, have fun. This same subject came up while I worked at the Anchorage FSDO concerning hauling a snomachine (snowmobile) bolted to the fuselage of an Experimental copy of a Super Cub. The guy completed the paperwork and as far as I know is still flying his snowmachine out to the bush in the winter in interior Alaska. I quit working there in 1999. John Hart From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:02 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts I would ask my CFI to quote the reg that says it's illegal, Lynn. Actually, it's a pretty good question though. Perhaps, if he's back in town, Snake Man can answer that one. And, Pat, I believe it's now called "climate change". So it goes... Deke NE MI S5 and looking for some snow melt do not archive Yeah, It's a year colder than normal because of global warming Al Gore says. do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL > > I think this has been a long, cold winter for a lot of us....we are > on a record-setting pace for snowfall here in southern Lower > Michigan. I'v really been getting my money's worth out of these skis, > unlike the previous 2 years, where half the time I could have chanced > flying without them. > > Two feet, eh? That would be enough to make me think twice about > venturing out. Not so much as to whether the plane could handle that > much depth, but whether the pilot could, if he had to get out and > walk. I gotta get some snowshoes to hang on the struts....they look > so cool!! (but probably illegal, so says my CFI, the kill-joy!) > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs > Sensenich 62x46 > Electroair direct-fire ignition system > New skis done and flying > do not archive ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:01 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) From: "Roger Lee" Rotax Operators manual page. See attached and center of page. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228778#228778 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/912_operators_manual_108.pdf ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:55 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: FS: Carb Synchro kit From: "darinh" Looks like it has been sold. -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 914 Turbo Kaysville, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228800#228800 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:49 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" How about an LSA that needs no trailer to get it to the airport? In fact, you just drive it from your garage to the airport. Weathered in? Heck, just drive a leg of the trip. You can have it for about the price of a Kitfox, the trailer and the car to pull it. and you can have one later this year. Rotax 912UL powered. Not a tricycle gear either, nor is it a tail dragger. It's front wheel drive! -- Paul A. Franz Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP Bellevue WA 425.241.1618 Cell ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Mogas revisited ( Back on track) From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" On Thu, February 5, 2009 5:23 pm, Roger Lee wrote: > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228778#228778 Somehow that one didn't make it to the forum. > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/912_operators_manual_108.pdf No joy, that one didn't make it either. Even stripping the double slash back one, didn't help. -- Paul A. Franz Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP Bellevue WA 425.241.1618 Cell ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:36 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer From: "AKFLYERBOB" I sure didn't pay 194 thousand for my kitfox, even both of them together -------- Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska KF Mod I and III Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228805#228805 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:19 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer Hey Bob, any thoughts on the thread about strapping stuff outside your airplane, especially a Kitfox, and flying? The subject is called "Snowshoes on struts" I'm looking for input from guys in Alaska, where the rules were seemingly a little more relaxed, according to some books I've read. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs Sensenich 62x46 Electroair direct-fire ignition system New skis done and flying On Feb 5, 2009, at 11:04 PM, AKFLYERBOB wrote: > > > I sure didn't pay 194 thousand for my kitfox, > even both of them together > > -------- > Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska > KF Mod I and III > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228805#228805 > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:04 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer From: "AKFLYERBOB" Lynn I have always been told it is not legal to strap, Tye, or attach any thing to the struts as they are not designed for drag effect. We, I should say I, have generally tied snow shoes, rifles in a scabbard and other stuff, "gas cans", and have not been ruffled over it. Not saying up here is lax, but you can see planes tied at the airport with snow shoes strapped to the struts. I think all realize a one mile walk in 4 ft of snow at -20 can't be done without snow shoes. If their destroyed inside the plane, better outside. I had to remove anything from the struts to have the airplane annulled. This is not a confession and I will deny it as a myth -------- Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska KF Mod I and III Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228817#228817 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:41 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Snowshoes on struts From: "AKFLYERBOB" Sorry I posted in the wrong place Lynn I have always been told it is not legal to strap, Tye, or attach any thing to the struts as they are not designed for drag effect. We, I should say I, have generally tied snow shoes, rifles in a scabbard and other stuff, "gas cans", and have not been ruffled over it. Not saying up here is lax, but you can see planes tied at the airport with snow shoes strapped to the struts. I think all realize a one mile walk in 4 ft of snow at -20 can't be done without snow shoes. If their destroyed inside the plane, better outside. I had to remove anything from the struts to have the airplane annulled. This is not a confession and I will deny it as a myth Bob -------- Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska KF Mod I and III Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228818#228818 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.