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1. 03:38 AM - Re: Re: Brake line fittings question... (Larry Huntley)
2. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: Snowshoes on struts (Lynn Matteson)
3. 07:22 AM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (Guy Buchanan)
4. 07:37 AM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (Noel Loveys)
5. 08:07 AM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (Lynn Matteson)
6. 08:17 AM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (akflyer)
7. 08:28 AM - Re: Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer (Lowell Fitt)
8. 08:33 AM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (Lowell Fitt)
9. 08:51 AM - Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer (akflyer)
10. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: Snowshoes on struts (Lynn Matteson)
11. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer (Lynn Matteson)
12. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: Snowshoes on struts (John W. Hart)
13. 09:56 AM - Re: posting photos - best way... (akflyer)
14. 10:14 AM - Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness (akflyer)
15. 10:20 AM - Re: posting photos - best way... (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
16. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: posting photos - best way... (Lynn Matteson)
17. 10:39 AM - Re: posting photos - best way... (akflyer)
18. 11:33 AM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (fox5flyer)
19. 11:33 AM - Re: Re: Snowshoes on struts (Noel Loveys)
20. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness (Cudnohufsky's)
21. 12:17 PM - Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness (akflyer)
22. 12:17 PM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (Noel Loveys)
23. 12:36 PM - Re: Re: posting photos - best way... (Lynn Matteson)
24. 12:46 PM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (Lynn Matteson)
25. 01:03 PM - Re: posting photos - best way... (JetPilot)
26. 01:08 PM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (fox5flyer)
27. 01:30 PM - corn harvest (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
28. 01:39 PM - Re: corn harvest (JetPilot)
29. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness (Noel Loveys)
30. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: corn harvest (Noel Loveys)
31. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: corn harvest (Lynn Matteson)
32. 05:02 PM - Re: Re: corn harvest (Noel Loveys)
33. 05:30 PM - Forward: Annual Desert Fox Squadron and Friends Fly-in on March 27th, 28th and 29th. (Pete Christensen)
34. 05:59 PM - Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (WurlyBird)
35. 06:37 PM - Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! Must fix (Aerobatics@aol.com)
36. 06:46 PM - Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (Dee Young)
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| Subject: | Re: Brake line fittings question... |
John McBean has lots of them and they are inexpensive. I just bought some
tube and fittings for mine. Larry Huntley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:38 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Brake line fittings question...
>
>
>> I've started work on the Brakes and over the years have managed to lose a
>> few Brass poly-flo fittings. Does it matter if the fittings with the
>> "brass" sleeves OR the "nylon" sleeves are used, or is one one or the
>> other required using the Nylaflo pressure tubing.
>
>
> Clem, at less than a dollar each I would stick with the brass fittings
> with the captive sleeve. Thats what was supplied with my kit.
>
> Here they are in Aircraft Spruce.
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/polyflofittings.php
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228656#228656
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| Subject: | Re: Snowshoes on struts |
Gotcha, Bob, and thanks for the observation.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Feb 6, 2009, at 1:23 AM, AKFLYERBOB wrote:
> <r.wolfejr@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Sorry I posted in the wrong place
> Lynn
> I have always been told it is not legal to strap, Tye, or attach any
> thing to the struts as they are not designed for drag effect.
> We, I should say I, have generally tied snow shoes, rifles in a
> scabbard and other stuff, "gas cans", and have not been ruffled
> over it. Not saying up here is lax, but you can see planes tied at
> the airport with snow shoes strapped to the struts.
> I think all realize a one mile walk in 4 ft of snow at -20 can't be
> done
> without snow shoes. If their destroyed inside the plane, better
> outside.
> I had to remove anything from the struts to have the
> airplane annulled.
> This is not a confession and I will deny it as a myth
> Bob
>
> --------
> Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska
> KF Mod I and III
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228818#228818
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Snowshoes on struts |
At 04:02 PM 2/5/2009, you wrote:
>I gotta get some snowshoes to hang on the struts....they look
> > so cool!! (but probably illegal, so says my CFI, the kill-joy!)
That would be strange. One of my flying buddies from up north
routinely flies with his folding chairs strapped to the struts, as do
several that travel to Kitfox fly-ins. They've travelled so many
miles this way without question that, anecdotally speaking, I can't
imagine it's illegal.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Snowshoes on struts |
I certainly can't speak for U.S. regs but I certainly know it is legal to
fly with loads strapped to floats here in Canada. How do you think most of
the canoes get into the fishing lodges? I know a guy (PPL) who has over the
years had some very nice planes. He has carried everything from canoes to
sheets of plywood to refrigerators on the struts of his floats. His advice
to me was when carrying external loads just dodge along... don't try to
break any speed records.
BTW when you strap a canoe to your struts the plane will want to lift that
wing not drop it because of the extra weight. Thge canoe has an aerodynamic
shape that actually adds lift to the side it's on.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts
I seem to recall him saying that anything that is strapped onto the
outside of the plane is "illegal carrying of cargo" or something like
that. No use asking the Snake Man, those guys in the 49th State have
been getting away with murder (figure of speech) for years, so I've
read anyway. The way I've read about the early bush-country flying is
that they have an unspoken rule up there that the FAA looks the other
way and pretty much allow whatever the pilot can get on board as
"legal".
One account I read...I believe it was in "Wager with the wind...the
Don Sheldon story", but I can't be sure....told of an FAA guy who
busted a pilot for carrying either too heavy a load, or carrying it
outside of the plane, or something that the "book" said was against
the rules, and it wasn't too long before the FAA guy was soon
spending his time in some remote God-forsaken outpost doing menial
duty. This may have changed over the years, and maybe someone from
Alaska might shed some light on the current practice....or on the
carrying of cargo outside the plane, for that matter.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Feb 5, 2009, at 7:02 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
> I would ask my CFI to quote the reg that says it's illegal, Lynn.
> Actually, it's a pretty good question though. Perhaps, if he's
> back in town, Snake Man can answer that one.
> And, Pat, I believe it's now called "climate change". So it goes...
> Deke
> NE MI S5 and looking for some snow melt
> do not archive
>
>
> Yeah, It's a year colder than normal because of global warming Al
> Gore says.
> do not archive
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
>
> >
> > I think this has been a long, cold winter for a lot of us....we are
> > on a record-setting pace for snowfall here in southern Lower
> > Michigan. I'v really been getting my money's worth out of these
> skis,
> > unlike the previous 2 years, where half the time I could have
> chanced
> > flying without them.
> >
> > Two feet, eh? That would be enough to make me think twice about
> > venturing out. Not so much as to whether the plane could handle that
> > much depth, but whether the pilot could, if he had to get out and
> > walk. I gotta get some snowshoes to hang on the struts....they look
> > so cool!! (but probably illegal, so says my CFI, the kill-joy!)
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> > Sensenich 62x46
> > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > New skis done and flying
> > do not archive
> ============================================================ _-
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| Subject: | Re: Snowshoes on struts |
I like the anecdotal tales, but does anybody know, and can they cite,
the appropriate rule regarding this practice? If I could find my FAR/
AIM, I'd try to look it up.
I just got done reading "Bent props and blow pots" and in it they
talk of trying to get airborne with a set of extra floats strapped
above the existing floats of the low-wing Junkers they were flying.
They had the "to-be-delivered" floats strapped inverted above their
own floats, and could not get up to takeoff speed in this
configuration, so they rotated the floats so they were keels down,
and with this setup finally got airborne. This was in Canada, circa
1930's.
Again, I've heard the stories, but I'd like to know if I'm in
jeopardy of being busted if I do it, and what can I cite in my
defense if I do....and to argue with my CFI friend who loves to have
the law/rule on the tip of his tongue.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Feb 6, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> I certainly can't speak for U.S. regs but I certainly know it is
> legal to
> fly with loads strapped to floats here in Canada. How do you think
> most of
> the canoes get into the fishing lodges? I know a guy (PPL) who has
> over the
> years had some very nice planes. He has carried everything from
> canoes to
> sheets of plywood to refrigerators on the struts of his floats.
> His advice
> to me was when carrying external loads just dodge along... don't
> try to
> break any speed records.
>
> BTW when you strap a canoe to your struts the plane will want to
> lift that
> wing not drop it because of the extra weight. Thge canoe has an
> aerodynamic
> shape that actually adds lift to the side it's on.
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Snowshoes on struts |
Snakeman has to side with John Hart on this one... I think that sometimes people
confuse rules for certified AC and those for experimentals. I did a bit of
searching on the FAA website and could find nothing on external loads for experimental
AC.
Personal experience with a kitfox has been 2 shotguns on a strut, 4 fishing poles
on a strut, 1 pair snowshoes on a strut. Not all at the same time lol. No
adverse effects were noted. I also strapped dry bags with all my duck hunting
gear on top of the floats as well as 2- 5 gallon cans on each float. While
the extra drag was noted in a speed loss, no adverse effects to the flying qualities
of the kitfox were noted.
Snakeman.... out
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer |
Lynn,
I'm not Bob, but there is a guy on our flying group roster who flys a Rans
S-7 and regularty straps a folding chair to his lift struts with bungees.
One of the guys is a CFI and there has been a lot of joking about it, but no
talk of the regs.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
Working on horizontal gap seal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer
>
> Hey Bob, any thoughts on the thread about strapping stuff outside your
> airplane, especially a Kitfox, and flying? The subject is called
> "Snowshoes on struts"
> I'm looking for input from guys in Alaska, where the rules were seemingly
> a little more relaxed, according to some books I've read.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2009, at 11:04 PM, AKFLYERBOB wrote:
>
>> <r.wolfejr@worldnet.att.net>
>>
>> I sure didn't pay 194 thousand for my kitfox,
>> even both of them together
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska
>> KF Mod I and III
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228805#228805
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Snowshoes on struts |
Noel,
Your post reminds me of some video I saw of a guy carrying in building
materials for a remote cabin strapped to his airplane externally. Obviously
this was a certified airplane and it was documented in video. That I saw it
means everyone else saw it.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 7:36 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts
>
> I certainly can't speak for U.S. regs but I certainly know it is legal to
> fly with loads strapped to floats here in Canada. How do you think most
> of
> the canoes get into the fishing lodges? I know a guy (PPL) who has over
> the
> years had some very nice planes. He has carried everything from canoes to
> sheets of plywood to refrigerators on the struts of his floats. His
> advice
> to me was when carrying external loads just dodge along... don't try to
> break any speed records.
>
> BTW when you strap a canoe to your struts the plane will want to lift that
> wing not drop it because of the extra weight. Thge canoe has an
> aerodynamic
> shape that actually adds lift to the side it's on.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:18 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts
>
>
> I seem to recall him saying that anything that is strapped onto the
> outside of the plane is "illegal carrying of cargo" or something like
> that. No use asking the Snake Man, those guys in the 49th State have
> been getting away with murder (figure of speech) for years, so I've
> read anyway. The way I've read about the early bush-country flying is
> that they have an unspoken rule up there that the FAA looks the other
> way and pretty much allow whatever the pilot can get on board as
> "legal".
> One account I read...I believe it was in "Wager with the wind...the
> Don Sheldon story", but I can't be sure....told of an FAA guy who
> busted a pilot for carrying either too heavy a load, or carrying it
> outside of the plane, or something that the "book" said was against
> the rules, and it wasn't too long before the FAA guy was soon
> spending his time in some remote God-forsaken outpost doing menial
> duty. This may have changed over the years, and maybe someone from
> Alaska might shed some light on the current practice....or on the
> carrying of cargo outside the plane, for that matter.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2009, at 7:02 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
>
>> I would ask my CFI to quote the reg that says it's illegal, Lynn.
>> Actually, it's a pretty good question though. Perhaps, if he's
>> back in town, Snake Man can answer that one.
>> And, Pat, I believe it's now called "climate change". So it goes...
>> Deke
>> NE MI S5 and looking for some snow melt
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Yeah, It's a year colder than normal because of global warming Al
>> Gore says.
>> do not archive
>>
>> Pat Reilly
>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>> Rockford, IL
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I think this has been a long, cold winter for a lot of us....we are
>> > on a record-setting pace for snowfall here in southern Lower
>> > Michigan. I'v really been getting my money's worth out of these
>> skis,
>> > unlike the previous 2 years, where half the time I could have
>> chanced
>> > flying without them.
>> >
>> > Two feet, eh? That would be enough to make me think twice about
>> > venturing out. Not so much as to whether the plane could handle that
>> > much depth, but whether the pilot could, if he had to get out and
>> > walk. I gotta get some snowshoes to hang on the struts....they look
>> > so cool!! (but probably illegal, so says my CFI, the kill-joy!)
>> >
>> > Lynn Matteson
>> > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
>> > Sensenich 62x46
>> > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> > New skis done and flying
>> > do not archive
>> ============================================================ _-
>> ============================================================ _-
>> contribution_-
>> ===========================================================
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer |
It only has a 27' wing... bet it is a short wing flying death trap... and an expensive
one at that! Wonder if I could clip the wings on it a little more and
pick up a few MPH. Ideas anyone?, anyone??, anyone???.
Snake man
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228885#228885
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| Subject: | Re: Snowshoes on struts |
Thanks, Snake...and John. I'll run this info by my CFI. I just love
to get him to go to the "BOOK" and back up what he preaches. : )
My recent "ski tuck" proves that the Kitfox *will* fly with some
pretty good adverse drag.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Feb 6, 2009, at 11:17 AM, akflyer wrote:
>
> Snakeman has to side with John Hart on this one... I think that
> sometimes people confuse rules for certified AC and those for
> experimentals. I did a bit of searching on the FAA website and
> could find nothing on external loads for experimental AC.
>
> Personal experience with a kitfox has been 2 shotguns on a strut, 4
> fishing poles on a strut, 1 pair snowshoes on a strut. Not all at
> the same time lol. No adverse effects were noted. I also strapped
> dry bags with all my duck hunting gear on top of the floats as well
> as 2- 5 gallon cans on each float. While the extra drag was noted
> in a speed loss, no adverse effects to the flying qualities of the
> kitfox were noted.
>
> Snakeman.... out
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| Subject: | Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer |
Thanks, Lowell. Always good to have examples like this one.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Feb 6, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Lynn,
>
> I'm not Bob, but there is a guy on our flying group roster who flys
> a Rans S-7 and regularty straps a folding chair to his lift struts
> with bungees. One of the guys is a CFI and there has been a lot of
> joking about it, but no talk of the regs.
>
> Lowell Fitt
> Cameron Park, CA
> Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
> Working on horizontal gap seal
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer
>
>
>>
>> Hey Bob, any thoughts on the thread about strapping stuff outside
>> your airplane, especially a Kitfox, and flying? The subject is
>> called "Snowshoes on struts"
>> I'm looking for input from guys in Alaska, where the rules were
>> seemingly a little more relaxed, according to some books I've read.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> New skis done and flying
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2009, at 11:04 PM, AKFLYERBOB wrote:
>>
>>> <r.wolfejr@worldnet.att.net>
>>>
>>> I sure didn't pay 194 thousand for my kitfox,
>>> even both of them together
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska
>>> KF Mod I and III
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228805#228805
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Snowshoes on struts |
It's not a matter of FAR in this instance. It's a matter of aircraft
certification. Nothing I have ever seen in any regulation specifically
addresses external loads on a given aircraft. There are some rules
pertaining to external loads, but they do not specify which aircraft by
make, model or serial number. FAR 133 pertains to ROTORCRAFT EXTERNAL-LOAD
OPERATIONS, and it applies to holders of commercial operateors external load
certificates. As far as I know. no "regulation" exists for fixed wing.
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=d500894896c3de5eda5
7b3b87512cc38&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:3.0.1.1.6&idno=14
There is guidance in the Flight Standards Information Management System,
8900.1 which may be accessed through www.faa.gov .
The following link may be helpful:
http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/media/FAA-H-8083-1A.pdf There
is mention of determining safe loading of experimental aircraft with
external loads.
John Hart
KF IV, NSI Subaru
Wilburton, OK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:17 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Snowshoes on struts
Snakeman has to side with John Hart on this one... I think that sometimes
people confuse rules for certified AC and those for experimentals. I did a
bit of searching on the FAA website and could find nothing on external loads
for experimental AC.
Personal experience with a kitfox has been 2 shotguns on a strut, 4 fishing
poles on a strut, 1 pair snowshoes on a strut. Not all at the same time
lol. No adverse effects were noted. I also strapped dry bags with all my
duck hunting gear on top of the floats as well as 2- 5 gallon cans on each
float. While the extra drag was noted in a speed loss, no adverse effects
to the flying qualities of the kitfox were noted.
Snakeman.... out
--------
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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
Just checking to see if it comes through right LOL
Note the new cowling art.....
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Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
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| Subject: | Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness |
JetPilot wrote:
> Leonard,
>
> What was the damage to the Avid that your rebuilt ? Would you say rebuilding
a wrecked plane took longer / was harder than building a new plane ?
>
> Mike
She was a basket case... I could have built the new kit faster than the repairs..
The good news is , I finally got the FAA inspector to come down and look at the
plane. He stated that the reason he wanted to look at the plane was to determine
it was the same one that had been wrecked. It has been common practice to
swap data plates from wrecked planes to another to make a flying aircraft...
this is not really legal and they are trying to crack down on it. Once I had
the inspector in the garage he only spent about 20 minutes there, flipped through
the book I put together showing all the photos from how I found the plane
to the finished product. He said the documentation was outstanding, glanced
over the plane for about 3 minutes then handed me the new airworthiness. He asked
if i had flown the plane yet.... well the picture on the front of the book
he had in his hand, was me staning in from of the plane out on the lake. I
did what every good person should do at that point.... lied like a mofo. I said,
"no sir, I have not flown the plane, I have just done an extended break in
on the engine for the last 15 hrs". He smiled and said, good answer.
I was quite surprised at how helpful and nice the "enemy" FAA guy was. He was
literally the nicest guy you could ever hope to meet!
--------
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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
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akflyer wrote:
> Just checking to see if it comes through right LOL
>
> Note the new cowling art.....
Excellent! I like it!
--------
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
425.440.9505 Office
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
Hmmmm....do I detect a bit of Photoshop help in that nose art,
Snake? I think I see some "disturbed pixels" around that name. Looks
good though, and if it is P'shopped, you did a good job of making it
look curved. Real or not-so-real, it looks good! : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Feb 6, 2009, at 12:55 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
> Just checking to see if it comes through right LOL
>
> Note the new cowling art.....
>
> --------
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> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
[Mr. Green]
dang you lynn.. yes it was a 30 second photo shop job. I tried to restrain myself
and not post it, but alas, the flesh is weak.
One of these days my warped humor will earn me a good beating, but till then, party
on...
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Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
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| Subject: | Re: Snowshoes on struts |
>
> I like the anecdotal tales, but does anybody know, and can they cite, the
> appropriate rule regarding this practice? If I could find my FAR/ AIM, I'd
> try to look it up.
I may be wrong, Lynn, but I I think you'll be wasting your time. Better to
wait and see if anyone can cite a reg, which I doubt.
Now, with a day like this, why are you hen pecking away at the key board
when you could be out taking advantage of this. My hangar is surrounded by
combines getting ready to take off my corn. The snow is so deep they will
have to just skim along the top of the snow to get the cobs.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
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| Subject: | Re: Snowshoes on struts |
I have a piece of black PVc Pipe around 3" I.D. and about six feet long
tied more or less permanently to my left float strut. When fishing with the
fly rod I break it in half and insert it through the tube from the front.
Spinning gear doesn't need to b3e broken down. Air pressure keeps the rods
in the tubes until I land... Makes setting up to fish a lot faster.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:47 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Snowshoes on struts
Snakeman has to side with John Hart on this one... I think that sometimes
people confuse rules for certified AC and those for experimentals. I did a
bit of searching on the FAA website and could find nothing on external loads
for experimental AC.
Personal experience with a kitfox has been 2 shotguns on a strut, 4 fishing
poles on a strut, 1 pair snowshoes on a strut. Not all at the same time
lol. No adverse effects were noted. I also strapped dry bags with all my
duck hunting gear on top of the floats as well as 2- 5 gallon cans on each
float. While the extra drag was noted in a speed loss, no adverse effects
to the flying qualities of the kitfox were noted.
Snakeman.... out
--------
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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness |
Leonard,
Have not been following this whole thread so I apologize if this has already
been covered. You mentioned that you got a new airworthiness certificate,
did you change the builders name on your data plate to your name or did it
remain as the original builder's name?
Lloyd Cudnohufsky
Model 5 Rebuild 912ul IVO IFA
Northern Mi.
JetPilot wrote:
> Leonard,
>
> What was the damage to the Avid that your rebuilt ? Would you say
rebuilding a wrecked plane took longer / was harder than building a new
plane ?
>
> Mike
She was a basket case... I could have built the new kit faster than the
repairs..
The good news is , I finally got the FAA inspector to come down and look at
the plane. He stated that the reason he wanted to look at the plane was to
determine it was the same one that had been wrecked. It has been common
practice to swap data plates from wrecked planes to another to make a flying
aircraft... this is not really legal and they are trying to crack down on
it. Once I had the inspector in the garage he only spent about 20 minutes
there, flipped through the book I put together showing all the photos from
how I found the plane to the finished product. He said the documentation
was outstanding, glanced over the plane for about 3 minutes then handed me
the new airworthiness. He asked if i had flown the plane yet.... well the
picture on the front of the book he had in his hand, was me staning in from
of the plane out on the lake. I did what every good person should do at
that point.... lied like a mofo. I said, "no sir, I have not flown the
plane, I have just!
done an extended break in on the engine for the last 15 hrs". He smiled
and said, good answer.
I was quite surprised at how helpful and nice the "enemy" FAA guy was. He
was literally the nicest guy you could ever hope to meet!
Checked by AVG.
11:34 AM
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| Subject: | Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness |
7suds(at)Chartermi.net wrote:
> Leonard,
> Have not been following this whole thread so I apologize if this has already
> been covered. You mentioned that you got a new airworthiness certificate,
> did you change the builders name on your data plate to your name or did it
> remain as the original builder's name?
>
> Lloyd Cudnohufsky
> Model 5 Rebuild 912ul IVO IFA
> Northern Mi.
>
>
>
I should have been more clear, it is a REPLACEMENT airworthiness cert. It is just
lilke the original and has the original builders name, but it now has an R
in the # to denote it as a replacement.
As a side note. The inspector told me to make a copy of it and keep on file so
it would be easier to replace if need be in the future, however, he said an exact
copy is illeagla to make. You must enlarge or shrink it when you copy it.
--------
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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
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| Subject: | Snowshoes on struts |
Deke:
You grow corn through the winter??
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts
>
> I like the anecdotal tales, but does anybody know, and can they cite, the
> appropriate rule regarding this practice? If I could find my FAR/ AIM, I'd
> try to look it up.
I may be wrong, Lynn, but I I think you'll be wasting your time. Better to
wait and see if anyone can cite a reg, which I doubt.
Now, with a day like this, why are you hen pecking away at the key board
when you could be out taking advantage of this. My hangar is surrounded by
combines getting ready to take off my corn. The snow is so deep they will
have to just skim along the top of the snow to get the cobs.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
If that was 30 seconds, there's a future for you, young man! : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Feb 6, 2009, at 1:38 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
> [Mr. Green]
>
> dang you lynn.. yes it was a 30 second photo shop job. I tried to
> restrain myself and not post it, but alas, the flesh is weak.
>
> One of these days my warped humor will earn me a good beating, but
> till then, party on...
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228911#228911
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Snowshoes on struts |
I'm peckin' away because I've got a helluva cold/flu/whatever. I'd
like to be out checking the takeoff-ability of the plane in this
warming snow, but I feel like crap.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Feb 6, 2009, at 2:32 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
>
>>
>> I like the anecdotal tales, but does anybody know, and can they
>> cite, the appropriate rule regarding this practice? If I could
>> find my FAR/ AIM, I'd try to look it up.
>
> I may be wrong, Lynn, but I I think you'll be wasting your time.
> Better to wait and see if anyone can cite a reg, which I doubt.
> Now, with a day like this, why are you hen pecking away at the key
> board when you could be out taking advantage of this. My hangar is
> surrounded by combines getting ready to take off my corn. The snow
> is so deep they will have to just skim along the top of the snow to
> get the cobs.
>
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
> progress."
> - Joseph Joubert
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
akflyer wrote:
>
>
> Note the new cowling art.....
Hahaha,
I like the looks of that [Wink]
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Snowshoes on struts |
No, the land is leased to a big farmer who, I assume has just been waiting
for a good price before taking it off.
Winter is so dry here that it does fine just standing there, except for the
constant pilfering by the coons and deer.
D
>
> Deke:
>
> You grow corn through the winter??
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:03 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts
>
>
>
>>
>> I like the anecdotal tales, but does anybody know, and can they cite,
>> the
>
>> appropriate rule regarding this practice? If I could find my FAR/ AIM,
>> I'd
>
>> try to look it up.
>
> I may be wrong, Lynn, but I I think you'll be wasting your time. Better
> to
> wait and see if anyone can cite a reg, which I doubt.
> Now, with a day like this, why are you hen pecking away at the key board
> when you could be out taking advantage of this. My hangar is surrounded
> by
> combines getting ready to take off my corn. The snow is so deep they will
> have to just skim along the top of the snow to get the cobs.
>
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
> progress."
> - Joseph Joubert
>
>
>
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On Fri, February 6, 2009 1:08 pm, fox5flyer wrote:
>
> No, the land is leased to a big farmer who, I assume has just been waiting
> for a good price before taking it off.
> Winter is so dry here that it does fine just standing there, except for the
> constant pilfering by the coons and deer.
More often than not, earlier in the season the water content was too high so the
corn
grain couldn't be stored without running it through a drier. Letting it stand until
after it has been frozen for awhile dries it out enough. The downside of waiting
is
higher loss due to lodging and as Deke says, pilfering by the critters. This is
not an
unusual thing at all especially where the growing season is short. His corn was
probably not planted until late May to mid June so it didn't mature soon enough
to dry
in the field sufficiently. Cold weather means low humidity and drying is accomplished
well.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: corn harvest |
A huge pile of sweet corn just waiting there to be processed and run through my
Rotax 912-S and my Car... Its a beautiful thing !
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness |
If your copyright laws are anything like ours it must be enlarged a minimum
of 1.5 times.
I'm not sure about reduction but 60% seems to stick in my mind
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:45 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness
7suds(at)Chartermi.net wrote:
> Leonard,
> Have not been following this whole thread so I apologize if this has
already
> been covered. You mentioned that you got a new airworthiness certificate,
> did you change the builders name on your data plate to your name or did it
> remain as the original builder's name?
>
> Lloyd Cudnohufsky
> Model 5 Rebuild 912ul IVO IFA
> Northern Mi.
>
>
>
I should have been more clear, it is a REPLACEMENT airworthiness cert. It
is just lilke the original and has the original builders name, but it now
has an R in the # to denote it as a replacement.
As a side note. The inspector told me to make a copy of it and keep on file
so it would be easier to replace if need be in the future, however, he said
an exact copy is illeagla to make. You must enlarge or shrink it when you
copy it.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: corn harvest |
Beautiful is in the eve of the beholder... If you have to convert the stuff
then my friend Jim Beam should be able to help you.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JetPilot
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 6:09 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: corn harvest
A huge pile of sweet corn just waiting there to be processed and run through
my Rotax 912-S and my Car... Its a beautiful thing !
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
could have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: corn harvest |
Careful Noel, it's Friday night and you remember what happened last
weekend. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Feb 6, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Beautiful is in the eve of the beholder... If you have to convert
> the stuff
> then my friend Jim Beam should be able to help you.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JetPilot
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 6:09 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: corn harvest
>
>
> A huge pile of sweet corn just waiting there to be processed and
> run through
> my Rotax 912-S and my Car... Its a beautiful thing !
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
> as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228967#228967
>
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| Subject: | Re: corn harvest |
'Tis Friday night but the cork is still in the Scotch... For a while :-)
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: corn harvest
Careful Noel, it's Friday night and you remember what happened last
weekend. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Feb 6, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Beautiful is in the eve of the beholder... If you have to convert
> the stuff
> then my friend Jim Beam should be able to help you.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JetPilot
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 6:09 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: corn harvest
>
>
> A huge pile of sweet corn just waiting there to be processed and
> run through
> my Rotax 912-S and my Car... Its a beautiful thing !
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
> as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Forward: Annual Desert Fox Squadron and Friends Fly-in on |
March 27th, 28th and 29th.
Pete ,
I just got this email from Cara Foster at ThunderRidge Airpark:
Hello everyone!
We hope all is well in your corner of the world!! We are doing fine and
enjoying our beautiful desert and weather!
We have decided to have our annual Desert Fox Squadron and Friends
Fly-in on March 27th, 28th and 29th. As usual,
we will need a head and bed count as soon as possible. Please RSVP to me
with your name (if a group, please supply
all names) and if you're flying or driving. Also if you'll need a single
bed or if coming as a couple. Please be sure let
me know even if you RSVP to anyone else. I don't always get the full
message, number of beds needed etc.
We look forward to seeing everyone again!
Our best to all,
Cara, Stan & Phil
desertfoxlady@hotmail.com
__________________
Steve Kellander
Desert Fox Squadron
Moderator
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| Subject: | Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
So today was my first day of instruction in my KF3 and it was a blast. The instructor
pretty much let me do my thing and talked me threw a couple takeoffs and
landings and then we just flew around for a couple hours constantly requesting
the controls from the other person.
So I have a few questions now that I actually have some time in the KF but the
biggest one involves what I can only describe as "flutter". It was our final
leg as we flew back to the airport after buzzing my house, cruising at about 75-80
mph when an updraft hit one of the wings and set off a vibration in the wings.
It only lasted a few seconds while I throttled back and slowed down quickly.
There appeared to be a pivot, or node for you engineer types, at each wing
support point and one in the center of the cockpit which was evidenced by
feeling like I was in a drink shaker. The wings were not acting in unison and
it felt VERY uncomfortable. I have seen video of gliders doing this at speeds
above Vne. It gave us both a startle and I would like to figure out what possible
causes were for this and if it is something I can fix or if it is just
somethings that happens. I seriously doubt this is normal, but who knows maybe
it is how to pick out the "New Guy".
Thanks for the help.
--------
Prospective Kitfox buyer
Here for information on airframes and engines
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229000#229000
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! Must fix |
Everything naturally wants to flutter in the wind. The long ailerons can be
very susceptible if there is any flexing or slop in the linkages. Furthering
the issue is the flaperon linkage from the stick to the aileron. Stiffer is
better than loose.
Full amplitude of the flutter can be achieved in just a few cycles... a
second. Stay away from it. Its speed related. Part of the solution is mass
balancing. I believe you should have at LEAST one per aileron and the must be
installed. The other is carefully looking at the entire linkage for ANY slop.
Fix this issue. If it happens again you must slow down right away and land.
Interesting, you will need to slow down to a slower speed than it started
to get it to stop ....
Flutter is brutal to hinges, control surfaces, linkages .... ok ok
everything!
I had it once briefly and let me tell you I re tightened everything and
STRICKLY adhere to VNE. I have since flown probably 350 plus hours without
another hint of it...
Fly Safe, enjoy
Dave KF 2 582 Blue hd E box....
iIn a message dated 2/6/2009 8:00:22 P.M. Central Standard Time,
james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "WurlyBird"
<james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
So today was my first day of instruction in my KF3 and it was a blast. The
instructor pretty much let me do my thing and talked me threw a couple
takeoffs and landings and then we just flew around for a couple hours constantly
requesting the controls from the other person.
So I have a few questions now that I actually have some time in the KF but
the biggest one involves what I can only describe as "flutter". It was our
final leg as we flew back to the airport after buzzing my house, cruising at
about 75-80 mph when an updraft hit one of the wings and set off a vibration in
the wings. It only lasted a few seconds while I throttled back and slowed
down quickly. There appeared to be a pivot, or node for you engineer types,
at each wing support point and one in the center of the cockpit which was
evidenced by feeling like I was in a drink shaker. The wings were not acting
in
unison and it felt VERY uncomfortable. I have seen video of gliders doing
this at speeds above Vne. It gave us both a startle and I would like to figure
out what possible causes were for this and if it is something I can fix or
if it is just somethings that happens. I seriously doubt this is normal, but
who knows maybe it is how to pick out the "New Guy".
Thanks for the help.
--------
Prospective Kitfox buyer
Here for information on airframes and engines
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229000#229000
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| Subject: | Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
Sounds similar to flapperon flutter. They installed counter weigts on the f
lapperons to prevent this. Not sure if the model III was subject to that or
not. That is a place to start. Maybe check the slop in the control linkage
also.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
Do not archive> Subject: Kitfox-List: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? !> From: j
ames.t.trizzino@us.army.mil> Date: Fri=2C 6 Feb 2009 17:58:42 -0800> To: ki
james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>> > So today was my first day of instruction i
n my KF3 and it was a blast. The instructor pretty much let me do my thing
and talked me threw a couple takeoffs and landings and then we just flew ar
ound for a couple hours constantly requesting the controls from the other p
erson. > > So I have a few questions now that I actually have some time in
the KF but the biggest one involves what I can only describe as "flutter".
It was our final leg as we flew back to the airport after buzzing my house
=2C cruising at about 75-80 mph when an updraft hit one of the wings and se
t off a vibration in the wings. It only lasted a few seconds while I thrott
led back and slowed down quickly. There appeared to be a pivot=2C or node f
or you engineer types=2C at each wing support point and one in the center o
f the cockpit which was evidenced by feeling like I was in a drink shaker.
The wings were not acting in unison and it felt VERY uncomfortable. I have
seen video of gliders doing this at speeds above Vne. It gave us both a sta
rtle and I would like to figure out what possible causes were for this and
if it is something I can fix or if it is just somethings that happens. I se
riously doubt this is normal=2C but who knows maybe it is how to pick out t
he "New Guy". > > Thanks for the help.> > --------> Prospective Kitfox buye
r> Here for information on airframes and engines> > > > > Read this topic o
nline here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229000#229000>
==================> > >
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