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1. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: posting photos - best way... (Lowell Fitt)
2. 07:55 AM - Adding wheel pants. (yodaone)
3. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: posting photos - best way... (Lynn Matteson)
4. 09:57 AM - Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (jdmcbean)
5. 10:54 AM - Re: posting photos - best way... (akflyer)
6. 10:57 AM - Re: posting photos - best way... (akflyer)
7. 11:18 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 36 Msgs - 02/06/09 (Mike)
8. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: posting photos - best way... (Lynn Matteson)
9. 11:38 AM - Re: Adding wheel pants. ()
10. 01:18 PM - Re: Adding wheel pants. (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
11. 02:22 PM - Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (WurlyBird)
12. 02:29 PM - Re: posting photos - best way... (Av8r3400)
13. 03:07 PM - Re: posting photos - best way... (akflyer)
14. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: posting photos - best way... (patrick reilly)
15. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: posting photos - best way... (patrick reilly)
16. 03:28 PM - Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (akflyer)
17. 03:32 PM - Re: posting photos - best way... (akflyer)
18. 04:13 PM - Re: posting photos - best way... (akflyer)
19. 04:30 PM - Re: Re: posting photos - best way...off topic (Larry Huntley)
20. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: posting photos - best way... (Lynn Matteson)
21. 04:49 PM - Re: Re: posting photos - best way... (Lynn Matteson)
22. 05:17 PM - Re: posting photos - best way...off topic (akflyer)
23. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: posting photos - best way... (fox5flyer)
24. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: posting photos - best way... (Lynn Matteson)
25. 06:27 PM - Re: Re: posting photos - best way... (sbennett3)
26. 06:31 PM - Re: Re: posting photos - best way... (sbennett3)
27. 07:56 PM - Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (Noel Loveys)
28. 08:19 PM - Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (WurlyBird)
29. 08:53 PM - Cabin Heating (Av8r3400)
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
Len,
I just looked at your photo again and it occurred to me that the colors you
chose has a lot to do with background contrast in the event you triggered a
search and rescue operation. My old airplane was largely white with dark
blue scallops on the wing. I would guess pretty much invisible in snow. My
new one is planned as yellow with white trim. Not good for snow conditions
either, I guess.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Adding wheel pants. |
I'm adding wheel pants to a Kitfox IV with the original landing gear.
I do not have any hardware or publication on how to install them.
I only have the wheel pants.
Kitfox indicated they don't have an installation manual via electronic format.
I'm waiting to see if they could fax it to me.
Does anyone have information on hardware need and how to install the wheel pants?
Thanks
--------
1991 Kitfox IV 1050LB
Rotax 912UL
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
Hey Snake-
I just had another look at your plane/photo, and the ski axles caught
my eye....are the extensions that project toward the centerline of
the plane for "assist wheels" for hangar handling, and trailer-
loading? If so, good plan.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Feb 6, 2009, at 1:38 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
> [Mr. Green]
>
> dang you lynn.. yes it was a 30 second photo shop job. I tried to
> restrain myself and not post it, but alas, the flesh is weak.
>
> One of these days my warped humor will earn me a good beating, but
> till then, party on...
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228911#228911
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| Subject: | Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
This is a serious issue.. review what Dave said (see below) I would also
check the airspeed indicator for accuracy.
"The long ailerons can be very susceptible if there is any flexing or slop
in the linkages. Furthering the issue is the flaperon linkage from the
stick to the aileron. Stiffer is better than loose.
Full amplitude of the flutter can be achieved in just a few cycles... a
second. Stay away from it. Its speed related. Part of the solution is mass
balancing. I believe you should have at LEAST one per aileron and the must
be installed. The other is carefully looking at the entire linkage for ANY
slop.
Fix this issue. If it happens again you must slow down right away and land.
Interesting, you will need to slow down to a slower speed than it started to
get it to stop ....
Flutter is brutal to hinges, control surfaces, linkages .... ok ok
everything!
I had it once briefly and let me tell you I re tightened everything and
STRICKLY adhere to VNE. I have since flown probably 350 plus hours without
another hint of it...
Fly Safe, enjoy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WurlyBird
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? !
--> <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
So today was my first day of instruction in my KF3 and it was a blast. The
instructor pretty much let me do my thing and talked me threw a couple
takeoffs and landings and then we just flew around for a couple hours
constantly requesting the controls from the other person.
So I have a few questions now that I actually have some time in the KF but
the biggest one involves what I can only describe as "flutter". It was our
final leg as we flew back to the airport after buzzing my house, cruising at
about 75-80 mph when an updraft hit one of the wings and set off a vibration
in the wings. It only lasted a few seconds while I throttled back and
slowed down quickly. There appeared to be a pivot, or node for you engineer
types, at each wing support point and one in the center of the cockpit which
was evidenced by feeling like I was in a drink shaker. The wings were not
acting in unison and it felt VERY uncomfortable. I have seen video of
gliders doing this at speeds above Vne. It gave us both a startle and I
would like to figure out what possible causes were for this and if it is
something I can fix or if it is just somethings that happens. I seriously
doubt this is normal, but who knows maybe it is how to pick out the "New
Guy".
Thanks for the help.
--------
Prospective Kitfox buyer
Here for information on airframes and engines
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Len,
>
> I just looked at your photo again and it occurred to me that the colors you
> chose has a lot to do with background contrast in the event you triggered a
> search and rescue operation. My old airplane was largely white with dark
> blue scallops on the wing. I would guess pretty much invisible in snow. My
> new one is planned as yellow with white trim. Not good for snow conditions
> either, I guess.
>
> Lowell
well sort of... the red for the control surfaces has more to due with the solar
reflection than visibility. I studied the planes at the airport, and in the
mornings, the frost was off the red wings and tails before any other color, even
black. The visibility was a second consideration.
akflyerbobs plane is all white with the red stripes on the wing and tail. When
I am following him, one breif glance away and I am puckered up trying to find
him again. His plane totaly dissapears against the snow and is hard to spot.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
Lynn Matteson wrote:
> Hey Snake-
> I just had another look at your plane/photo, and the ski axles caught
> my eye....are the extensions that project toward the centerline of
> the plane for "assist wheels" for hangar handling, and trailer-
> loading? If so, good plan.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
Well..... to be honest, I had to make longer axles as I had to put 3" more space
in the wheels to fit the big tundra tires. When I changed over to ski's I just
shoved the axles in and re-drilled the holes through the gear legs. I was
going to cut them off flush, but they did make a great place for the jack when
slipping the skis on so I left them. I will have to make another set of axles
for the wheels if I ever put them back on. I am hoping to just go between
floats and skis, but you never know, I make go wheels again one of these days.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 36 Msgs - 02/06/09 |
I am still working on rebuilding my KF II and am starting to think
about the engine I will need. The old Rotax 532 that was on it
suffered a severe prop strike, and given the problems with 532
crankshafts, plus uncertainty over the number of hours actually on
the engine, I have decided to look for alternatives. I wondered if
anyone has had experience with the AeroVee conversion. It is heavier
than the Rotax, with a dry weight of 161 lbs, and so, given that the
original installation was on the order of 130lbs, I would add at
least 30-40 lbs to the empty weight, and will have to do some
homework on a new weight and balance calculation to see if it is even
doable. The useful payload would also be reduced. However, the
price is attractive, and the 80 HP rating is also attractive. Fuel
burn should not be too bad with a light aircraft like the Kitfox II.
Can anyone help with info?
Thanks!
Mike
mclayton@rochester.rr.com
Spencerport, NY 14559
N16AF (KF II Rebuild in Progress)
EAA Chapter 44
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> Today's Message Index:
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>
> 1. 03:38 AM - Re: Re: Brake line fittings question... (Larry
> Huntley)
> 2. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: Snowshoes on struts (Lynn Matteson)
> 3. 07:22 AM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (Guy Buchanan)
> 4. 07:37 AM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (Noel Loveys)
> 5. 08:07 AM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (Lynn Matteson)
> 6. 08:17 AM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (akflyer)
> 7. 08:28 AM - Re: Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer
> (Lowell Fitt)
> 8. 08:33 AM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (Lowell Fitt)
> 9. 08:51 AM - Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer
> (akflyer)
> 10. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: Snowshoes on struts (Lynn Matteson)
> 11. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer
> (Lynn Matteson)
> 12. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: Snowshoes on struts (John W. Hart)
> 13. 09:56 AM - Re: posting photos - best way... (akflyer)
> 14. 10:14 AM - Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness (akflyer)
> 15. 10:20 AM - Re: posting photos - best way... (Paul A.
> Franz, P.E.)
> 16. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: posting photos - best way... (Lynn
> Matteson)
> 17. 10:39 AM - Re: posting photos - best way... (akflyer)
> 18. 11:33 AM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (fox5flyer)
> 19. 11:33 AM - Re: Re: Snowshoes on struts (Noel Loveys)
> 20. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness
> (Cudnohufsky's)
> 21. 12:17 PM - Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness (akflyer)
> 22. 12:17 PM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (Noel Loveys)
> 23. 12:36 PM - Re: Re: posting photos - best way... (Lynn
> Matteson)
> 24. 12:46 PM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (Lynn Matteson)
> 25. 01:03 PM - Re: posting photos - best way... (JetPilot)
> 26. 01:08 PM - Re: Snowshoes on struts (fox5flyer)
> 27. 01:30 PM - corn harvest (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
> 28. 01:39 PM - Re: corn harvest (JetPilot)
> 29. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness
> (Noel Loveys)
> 30. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: corn harvest (Noel Loveys)
> 31. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: corn harvest (Lynn Matteson)
> 32. 05:02 PM - Re: Re: corn harvest (Noel Loveys)
> 33. 05:30 PM - Forward: Annual Desert Fox Squadron and Friends
> Fly-in on March 27th, 28th and 29th. (Pete Christensen)
> 34. 05:59 PM - Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (WurlyBird)
> 35. 06:37 PM - Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! Must fix
> (Aerobatics@aol.com)
> 36. 06:46 PM - Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (Dee Young)
>
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> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 03:38:10 AM PST US
> From: "Larry Huntley" <asq@roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Brake line fittings question...
>
>
> John McBean has lots of them and they are inexpensive. I just
> bought some
> tube and fittings for mine. Larry Huntley
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:38 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Brake line fittings question...
>
>
>>
>>
>>> I've started work on the Brakes and over the years have managed
>>> to lose a
>>> few Brass poly-flo fittings. Does it matter if the fittings with the
>>> "brass" sleeves OR the "nylon" sleeves are used, or is one one or
>>> the
>>> other required using the Nylaflo pressure tubing.
>>
>>
>> Clem, at less than a dollar each I would stick with the brass
>> fittings
>> with the captive sleeve. Thats what was supplied with my kit.
>>
>> Here they are in Aircraft Spruce.
>> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/polyflofittings.php
>>
>> --------
>> Tom Jones
>> Classic IV
>> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
>> Ellensburg, WA
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228656#228656
>>
>>
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> _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 05:16:49 AM PST US
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Snowshoes on struts
>
>
> Gotcha, Bob, and thanks for the observation.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2009, at 1:23 AM, AKFLYERBOB wrote:
>
>> <r.wolfejr@worldnet.att.net>
>>
>> Sorry I posted in the wrong place
>> Lynn
>> I have always been told it is not legal to strap, Tye, or attach any
>> thing to the struts as they are not designed for drag effect.
>> We, I should say I, have generally tied snow shoes, rifles in a
>> scabbard and other stuff, "gas cans", and have not been ruffled
>> over it. Not saying up here is lax, but you can see planes tied at
>> the airport with snow shoes strapped to the struts.
>> I think all realize a one mile walk in 4 ft of snow at -20 can't be
>> done
>> without snow shoes. If their destroyed inside the plane, better
>> outside.
>> I had to remove anything from the struts to have the
>> airplane annulled.
>> This is not a confession and I will deny it as a myth
>> Bob
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska
>> KF Mod I and III
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228818#228818
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 07:22:54 AM PST US
> From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts
>
>
> At 04:02 PM 2/5/2009, you wrote:
>> I gotta get some snowshoes to hang on the struts....they look
>>> so cool!! (but probably illegal, so says my CFI, the kill-joy!)
>
> That would be strange. One of my flying buddies from up north
> routinely flies with his folding chairs strapped to the struts, as do
> several that travel to Kitfox fly-ins. They've travelled so many
> miles this way without question that, anecdotally speaking, I can't
> imagine it's illegal.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 07:37:11 AM PST US
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts
>
>
> I certainly can't speak for U.S. regs but I certainly know it is
> legal to
> fly with loads strapped to floats here in Canada. How do you think
> most of
> the canoes get into the fishing lodges? I know a guy (PPL) who has
> over the
> years had some very nice planes. He has carried everything from
> canoes to
> sheets of plywood to refrigerators on the struts of his floats.
> His advice
> to me was when carrying external loads just dodge along... don't
> try to
> break any speed records.
>
> BTW when you strap a canoe to your struts the plane will want to
> lift that
> wing not drop it because of the extra weight. Thge canoe has an
> aerodynamic
> shape that actually adds lift to the side it's on.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts
>
>
> I seem to recall him saying that anything that is strapped onto the
> outside of the plane is "illegal carrying of cargo" or something like
> that. No use asking the Snake Man, those guys in the 49th State have
> been getting away with murder (figure of speech) for years, so I've
> read anyway. The way I've read about the early bush-country flying is
> that they have an unspoken rule up there that the FAA looks the other
> way and pretty much allow whatever the pilot can get on board as
> "legal".
> One account I read...I believe it was in "Wager with the wind...the
> Don Sheldon story", but I can't be sure....told of an FAA guy who
> busted a pilot for carrying either too heavy a load, or carrying it
> outside of the plane, or something that the "book" said was against
> the rules, and it wasn't too long before the FAA guy was soon
> spending his time in some remote God-forsaken outpost doing menial
> duty. This may have changed over the years, and maybe someone from
> Alaska might shed some light on the current practice....or on the
> carrying of cargo outside the plane, for that matter.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2009, at 7:02 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
>
>> I would ask my CFI to quote the reg that says it's illegal, Lynn.
>> Actually, it's a pretty good question though. Perhaps, if he's
>> back in town, Snake Man can answer that one.
>> And, Pat, I believe it's now called "climate change". So it goes...
>> Deke
>> NE MI S5 and looking for some snow melt
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Yeah, It's a year colder than normal because of global warming Al
>> Gore says.
>> do not archive
>>
>> Pat Reilly
>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>> Rockford, IL
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I think this has been a long, cold winter for a lot of us....we are
>>> on a record-setting pace for snowfall here in southern Lower
>>> Michigan. I'v really been getting my money's worth out of these
>> skis,
>>> unlike the previous 2 years, where half the time I could have
>> chanced
>>> flying without them.
>>>
>>> Two feet, eh? That would be enough to make me think twice about
>>> venturing out. Not so much as to whether the plane could handle that
>>> much depth, but whether the pilot could, if he had to get out and
>>> walk. I gotta get some snowshoes to hang on the struts....they look
>>> so cool!! (but probably illegal, so says my CFI, the kill-joy!)
>>>
>>> Lynn Matteson
>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>> New skis done and flying
>>> do not archive
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> _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 08:07:03 AM PST US
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts
>
>
> I like the anecdotal tales, but does anybody know, and can they cite,
> the appropriate rule regarding this practice? If I could find my FAR/
> AIM, I'd try to look it up.
>
> I just got done reading "Bent props and blow pots" and in it they
> talk of trying to get airborne with a set of extra floats strapped
> above the existing floats of the low-wing Junkers they were flying.
> They had the "to-be-delivered" floats strapped inverted above their
> own floats, and could not get up to takeoff speed in this
> configuration, so they rotated the floats so they were keels down,
> and with this setup finally got airborne. This was in Canada, circa
> 1930's.
>
> Again, I've heard the stories, but I'd like to know if I'm in
> jeopardy of being busted if I do it, and what can I cite in my
> defense if I do....and to argue with my CFI friend who loves to have
> the law/rule on the tip of his tongue.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
>>
>> I certainly can't speak for U.S. regs but I certainly know it is
>> legal to
>> fly with loads strapped to floats here in Canada. How do you think
>> most of
>> the canoes get into the fishing lodges? I know a guy (PPL) who has
>> over the
>> years had some very nice planes. He has carried everything from
>> canoes to
>> sheets of plywood to refrigerators on the struts of his floats.
>> His advice
>> to me was when carrying external loads just dodge along... don't
>> try to
>> break any speed records.
>>
>> BTW when you strap a canoe to your struts the plane will want to
>> lift that
>> wing not drop it because of the extra weight. Thge canoe has an
>> aerodynamic
>> shape that actually adds lift to the side it's on.
>>
>> Noel
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:17:56 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Snowshoes on struts
> From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Snakeman has to side with John Hart on this one... I think that
> sometimes people
> confuse rules for certified AC and those for experimentals. I did
> a bit of
> searching on the FAA website and could find nothing on external
> loads for experimental
> AC.
>
> Personal experience with a kitfox has been 2 shotguns on a strut, 4
> fishing poles
> on a strut, 1 pair snowshoes on a strut. Not all at the same time
> lol. No
> adverse effects were noted. I also strapped dry bags with all my
> duck hunting
> gear on top of the floats as well as 2- 5 gallon cans on each
> float. While
> the extra drag was noted in a speed loss, no adverse effects to
> the flying qualities
> of the kitfox were noted.
>
> Snakeman.... out
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228875#228875
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:28:41 AM PST US
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer
>
>
> Lynn,
>
> I'm not Bob, but there is a guy on our flying group roster who flys
> a Rans
> S-7 and regularty straps a folding chair to his lift struts with
> bungees.
> One of the guys is a CFI and there has been a lot of joking about
> it, but no
> talk of the regs.
>
> Lowell Fitt
> Cameron Park, CA
> Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
> Working on horizontal gap seal
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer
>
>
>>
>> Hey Bob, any thoughts on the thread about strapping stuff outside
>> your
>> airplane, especially a Kitfox, and flying? The subject is called
>> "Snowshoes on struts"
>> I'm looking for input from guys in Alaska, where the rules were
>> seemingly
>> a little more relaxed, according to some books I've read.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> New skis done and flying
>>
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2009, at 11:04 PM, AKFLYERBOB wrote:
>>
>>> <r.wolfejr@worldnet.att.net>
>>>
>>> I sure didn't pay 194 thousand for my kitfox,
>>> even both of them together
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska
>>> KF Mod I and III
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228805#228805
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:33:59 AM PST US
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts
>
>
> Noel,
>
> Your post reminds me of some video I saw of a guy carrying in building
> materials for a remote cabin strapped to his airplane externally.
> Obviously
> this was a certified airplane and it was documented in video. That
> I saw it
> means everyone else saw it.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 7:36 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts
>
>
>>
>> I certainly can't speak for U.S. regs but I certainly know it is
>> legal to
>> fly with loads strapped to floats here in Canada. How do you
>> think most
>> of
>> the canoes get into the fishing lodges? I know a guy (PPL) who
>> has over
>> the
>> years had some very nice planes. He has carried everything from
>> canoes to
>> sheets of plywood to refrigerators on the struts of his floats. His
>> advice
>> to me was when carrying external loads just dodge along... don't
>> try to
>> break any speed records.
>>
>> BTW when you strap a canoe to your struts the plane will want to
>> lift that
>> wing not drop it because of the extra weight. Thge canoe has an
>> aerodynamic
>> shape that actually adds lift to the side it's on.
>>
>> Noel
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
>> Matteson
>> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:18 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts
>>
>>
>> I seem to recall him saying that anything that is strapped onto the
>> outside of the plane is "illegal carrying of cargo" or something like
>> that. No use asking the Snake Man, those guys in the 49th State have
>> been getting away with murder (figure of speech) for years, so I've
>> read anyway. The way I've read about the early bush-country flying is
>> that they have an unspoken rule up there that the FAA looks the other
>> way and pretty much allow whatever the pilot can get on board as
>> "legal".
>> One account I read...I believe it was in "Wager with the wind...the
>> Don Sheldon story", but I can't be sure....told of an FAA guy who
>> busted a pilot for carrying either too heavy a load, or carrying it
>> outside of the plane, or something that the "book" said was against
>> the rules, and it wasn't too long before the FAA guy was soon
>> spending his time in some remote God-forsaken outpost doing menial
>> duty. This may have changed over the years, and maybe someone from
>> Alaska might shed some light on the current practice....or on the
>> carrying of cargo outside the plane, for that matter.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> New skis done and flying
>>
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2009, at 7:02 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
>>
>>> I would ask my CFI to quote the reg that says it's illegal, Lynn.
>>> Actually, it's a pretty good question though. Perhaps, if he's
>>> back in town, Snake Man can answer that one.
>>> And, Pat, I believe it's now called "climate change". So it goes...
>>> Deke
>>> NE MI S5 and looking for some snow melt
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, It's a year colder than normal because of global warming Al
>>> Gore says.
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>> Pat Reilly
>>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>>> Rockford, IL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think this has been a long, cold winter for a lot of us....we are
>>>> on a record-setting pace for snowfall here in southern Lower
>>>> Michigan. I'v really been getting my money's worth out of these
>>> skis,
>>>> unlike the previous 2 years, where half the time I could have
>>> chanced
>>>> flying without them.
>>>>
>>>> Two feet, eh? That would be enough to make me think twice about
>>>> venturing out. Not so much as to whether the plane could handle
>>>> that
>>>> much depth, but whether the pilot could, if he had to get out and
>>>> walk. I gotta get some snowshoes to hang on the struts....they look
>>>> so cool!! (but probably illegal, so says my CFI, the kill-joy!)
>>>>
>>>> Lynn Matteson
>>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
>>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>>> New skis done and flying
>>>> do not archive
>>> ============================================================ _-
>>> ============================================================ _-
>>> contribution_-
>>> ==========================================================
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:51:58 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer
> From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
>
>
> It only has a 27' wing... bet it is a short wing flying death
> trap... and an expensive
> one at that! Wonder if I could clip the wings on it a little more and
> pick up a few MPH. Ideas anyone?, anyone??, anyone???.
>
> Snake man
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228885#228885
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:32:27 AM PST US
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Snowshoes on struts
>
>
> Thanks, Snake...and John. I'll run this info by my CFI. I just love
> to get him to go to the "BOOK" and back up what he preaches. : )
>
> My recent "ski tuck" proves that the Kitfox *will* fly with some
> pretty good adverse drag.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2009, at 11:17 AM, akflyer wrote:
>
>>
>> Snakeman has to side with John Hart on this one... I think that
>> sometimes people confuse rules for certified AC and those for
>> experimentals. I did a bit of searching on the FAA website and
>> could find nothing on external loads for experimental AC.
>>
>> Personal experience with a kitfox has been 2 shotguns on a strut, 4
>> fishing poles on a strut, 1 pair snowshoes on a strut. Not all at
>> the same time lol. No adverse effects were noted. I also strapped
>> dry bags with all my duck hunting gear on top of the floats as well
>> as 2- 5 gallon cans on each float. While the extra drag was noted
>> in a speed loss, no adverse effects to the flying qualities of the
>> kitfox were noted.
>>
>> Snakeman.... out
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:32:27 AM PST US
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer
>
>
> Thanks, Lowell. Always good to have examples like this one.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
>> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Lynn,
>>
>> I'm not Bob, but there is a guy on our flying group roster who flys
>> a Rans S-7 and regularty straps a folding chair to his lift struts
>> with bungees. One of the guys is a CFI and there has been a lot of
>> joking about it, but no talk of the regs.
>>
>> Lowell Fitt
>> Cameron Park, CA
>> Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
>> Working on horizontal gap seal
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: trailering your LSA - skip the trailer
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hey Bob, any thoughts on the thread about strapping stuff outside
>>> your airplane, especially a Kitfox, and flying? The subject is
>>> called "Snowshoes on struts"
>>> I'm looking for input from guys in Alaska, where the rules were
>>> seemingly a little more relaxed, according to some books I've read.
>>>
>>> Lynn Matteson
>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>> New skis done and flying
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 5, 2009, at 11:04 PM, AKFLYERBOB wrote:
>>>
>>>> <r.wolfejr@worldnet.att.net>
>>>>
>>>> I sure didn't pay 194 thousand for my kitfox,
>>>> even both of them together
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska
>>>> KF Mod I and III
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228805#228805
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:40:39 AM PST US
> From: "John W. Hart" <helili@chahtatushka.net>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Snowshoes on struts
>
>
> It's not a matter of FAR in this instance. It's a matter of aircraft
> certification. Nothing I have ever seen in any regulation
> specifically
> addresses external loads on a given aircraft. There are some rules
> pertaining to external loads, but they do not specify which
> aircraft by
> make, model or serial number. FAR 133 pertains to ROTORCRAFT
> EXTERNAL-LOAD
> OPERATIONS, and it applies to holders of commercial operateors
> external load
> certificates. As far as I know. no "regulation" exists for fixed
> wing.
>
> http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?
> c=ecfr&sid=d500894896c3de5eda5
> 7b3b87512cc38&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:3.0.1.1.6&idno=14
>
> There is guidance in the Flight Standards Information Management
> System,
> 8900.1 which may be accessed through www.faa.gov .
>
> The following link may be helpful:
> http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/media/FAA-
> H-8083-1A.pdf There
> is mention of determining safe loading of experimental aircraft with
> external loads.
>
> John Hart
> KF IV, NSI Subaru
> Wilburton, OK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:17 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Snowshoes on struts
>
>
> Snakeman has to side with John Hart on this one... I think that
> sometimes
> people confuse rules for certified AC and those for experimentals.
> I did a
> bit of searching on the FAA website and could find nothing on
> external loads
> for experimental AC.
>
> Personal experience with a kitfox has been 2 shotguns on a strut, 4
> fishing
> poles on a strut, 1 pair snowshoes on a strut. Not all at the same
> time
> lol. No adverse effects were noted. I also strapped dry bags with
> all my
> duck hunting gear on top of the floats as well as 2- 5 gallon cans
> on each
> float. While the extra drag was noted in a speed loss, no adverse
> effects
> to the flying qualities of the kitfox were noted.
>
> Snakeman.... out
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228875#228875
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:56:06 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: posting photos - best way...
> From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Just checking to see if it comes through right LOL
>
> Note the new cowling art.....
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228898#228898
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/snakeman_and_plane_161.jpg
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:14:31 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness
> From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
>
>
> JetPilot wrote:
>> Leonard,
>>
>> What was the damage to the Avid that your rebuilt ? Would you say
>> rebuilding
> a wrecked plane took longer / was harder than building a new plane ?
>>
>> Mike
>
>
> She was a basket case... I could have built the new kit faster than
> the repairs..
>
>
> The good news is , I finally got the FAA inspector to come down and
> look at the
> plane. He stated that the reason he wanted to look at the plane
> was to determine
> it was the same one that had been wrecked. It has been common
> practice to
> swap data plates from wrecked planes to another to make a flying
> aircraft...
> this is not really legal and they are trying to crack down on it.
> Once I had
> the inspector in the garage he only spent about 20 minutes there,
> flipped through
> the book I put together showing all the photos from how I found the
> plane
> to the finished product. He said the documentation was
> outstanding, glanced
> over the plane for about 3 minutes then handed me the new
> airworthiness. He asked
> if i had flown the plane yet.... well the picture on the front of
> the book
> he had in his hand, was me staning in from of the plane out on the
> lake. I
> did what every good person should do at that point.... lied like a
> mofo. I said,
> "no sir, I have not flown the plane, I have just done an extended
> break in
> on the engine for the last 15 hrs". He smiled and said, good answer.
>
> I was quite surprised at how helpful and nice the "enemy" FAA guy
> was. He was
> literally the nicest guy you could ever hope to meet!
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228905#228905
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 15
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:20:36 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: posting photos - best way...
> From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul@eucleides.com>
>
>
> akflyer wrote:
>> Just checking to see if it comes through right LOL
>>
>> Note the new cowling art.....
>
>
> Excellent! I like it!
>
> --------
> Paul A. Franz, P.E.
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
> 425.440.9505 Office
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228907#228907
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 16
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:30:03 AM PST US
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: posting photos - best way...
>
>
> Hmmmm....do I detect a bit of Photoshop help in that nose art,
> Snake? I think I see some "disturbed pixels" around that name. Looks
> good though, and if it is P'shopped, you did a good job of making it
> look curved. Real or not-so-real, it looks good! : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2009, at 12:55 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
>>
>> Just checking to see if it comes through right LOL
>>
>> Note the new cowling art.....
>>
>> --------
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 17
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:39:14 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: posting photos - best way...
> From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
>
>
> [Mr. Green]
>
> dang you lynn.. yes it was a 30 second photo shop job. I tried to
> restrain myself
> and not post it, but alas, the flesh is weak.
>
> One of these days my warped humor will earn me a good beating, but
> till then, party
> on...
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228911#228911
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 18
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:33:45 AM PST US
> From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts
>
>
>>
>> I like the anecdotal tales, but does anybody know, and can they
>> cite, the
>> appropriate rule regarding this practice? If I could find my FAR/
>> AIM, I'd
>> try to look it up.
>
> I may be wrong, Lynn, but I I think you'll be wasting your time.
> Better to
> wait and see if anyone can cite a reg, which I doubt.
> Now, with a day like this, why are you hen pecking away at the key
> board
> when you could be out taking advantage of this. My hangar is
> surrounded by
> combines getting ready to take off my corn. The snow is so deep
> they will
> have to just skim along the top of the snow to get the cobs.
>
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
> progress."
> - Joseph Joubert
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 19
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:33:54 AM PST US
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Snowshoes on struts
>
>
> I have a piece of black PVc Pipe around 3" I.D. and about six feet
> long
> tied more or less permanently to my left float strut. When fishing
> with the
> fly rod I break it in half and insert it through the tube from the
> front.
> Spinning gear doesn't need to b3e broken down. Air pressure keeps
> the rods
> in the tubes until I land... Makes setting up to fish a lot faster.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:47 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Snowshoes on struts
>
>
> Snakeman has to side with John Hart on this one... I think that
> sometimes
> people confuse rules for certified AC and those for experimentals.
> I did a
> bit of searching on the FAA website and could find nothing on
> external loads
> for experimental AC.
>
> Personal experience with a kitfox has been 2 shotguns on a strut, 4
> fishing
> poles on a strut, 1 pair snowshoes on a strut. Not all at the same
> time
> lol. No adverse effects were noted. I also strapped dry bags with
> all my
> duck hunting gear on top of the floats as well as 2- 5 gallon cans
> on each
> float. While the extra drag was noted in a speed loss, no adverse
> effects
> to the flying qualities of the kitfox were noted.
>
> Snakeman.... out
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228875#228875
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 20
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:01:24 PM PST US
> From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@Chartermi.net>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness
>
>
> Leonard,
> Have not been following this whole thread so I apologize if this
> has already
> been covered. You mentioned that you got a new airworthiness
> certificate,
> did you change the builders name on your data plate to your name or
> did it
> remain as the original builder's name?
>
> Lloyd Cudnohufsky
> Model 5 Rebuild 912ul IVO IFA
> Northern Mi.
>
> JetPilot wrote:
>> Leonard,
>>
>> What was the damage to the Avid that your rebuilt ? Would you say
> rebuilding a wrecked plane took longer / was harder than building a
> new
> plane ?
>>
>> Mike
>
>
> She was a basket case... I could have built the new kit faster than
> the
> repairs..
>
> The good news is , I finally got the FAA inspector to come down and
> look at
> the plane. He stated that the reason he wanted to look at the
> plane was to
> determine it was the same one that had been wrecked. It has been
> common
> practice to swap data plates from wrecked planes to another to make
> a flying
> aircraft... this is not really legal and they are trying to crack
> down on
> it. Once I had the inspector in the garage he only spent about 20
> minutes
> there, flipped through the book I put together showing all the
> photos from
> how I found the plane to the finished product. He said the
> documentation
> was outstanding, glanced over the plane for about 3 minutes then
> handed me
> the new airworthiness. He asked if i had flown the plane yet....
> well the
> picture on the front of the book he had in his hand, was me staning
> in from
> of the plane out on the lake. I did what every good person should
> do at
> that point.... lied like a mofo. I said, "no sir, I have not flown
> the
> plane, I have just!
> done an extended break in on the engine for the last 15 hrs". He
> smiled
> and said, good answer.
>
> I was quite surprised at how helpful and nice the "enemy" FAA guy
> was. He
> was literally the nicest guy you could ever hope to meet!
>
>
> Checked by AVG.
> 11:34 AM
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 21
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:17:16 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness
> From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
>
>
> 7suds(at)Chartermi.net wrote:
>> Leonard,
>> Have not been following this whole thread so I apologize if this
>> has already
>> been covered. You mentioned that you got a new airworthiness
>> certificate,
>> did you change the builders name on your data plate to your name
>> or did it
>> remain as the original builder's name?
>>
>> Lloyd Cudnohufsky
>> Model 5 Rebuild 912ul IVO IFA
>> Northern Mi.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> I should have been more clear, it is a REPLACEMENT airworthiness
> cert. It is just
> lilke the original and has the original builders name, but it now
> has an R
> in the # to denote it as a replacement.
>
> As a side note. The inspector told me to make a copy of it and
> keep on file so
> it would be easier to replace if need be in the future, however, he
> said an exact
> copy is illeagla to make. You must enlarge or shrink it when you
> copy it.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228941#228941
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 22
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:17:25 PM PST US
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts
>
>
> Deke:
>
> You grow corn through the winter??
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts
>
>
>>
>> I like the anecdotal tales, but does anybody know, and can they
>> cite, the
>
>> appropriate rule regarding this practice? If I could find my FAR/
>> AIM, I'd
>
>> try to look it up.
>
> I may be wrong, Lynn, but I I think you'll be wasting your time.
> Better to
> wait and see if anyone can cite a reg, which I doubt.
> Now, with a day like this, why are you hen pecking away at the key
> board
> when you could be out taking advantage of this. My hangar is
> surrounded by
> combines getting ready to take off my corn. The snow is so deep
> they will
> have to just skim along the top of the snow to get the cobs.
>
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
> progress."
> - Joseph Joubert
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 23
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:36:46 PM PST US
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: posting photos - best way...
>
>
> If that was 30 seconds, there's a future for you, young man! : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2009, at 1:38 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
>>
>> [Mr. Green]
>>
>> dang you lynn.. yes it was a 30 second photo shop job. I tried to
>> restrain myself and not post it, but alas, the flesh is weak.
>>
>> One of these days my warped humor will earn me a good beating, but
>> till then, party on...
>>
>> --------
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
>> Soldotna AK
>> Avid "C" / Mk IV
>> 582 IVO IFA
>> Full Lotus 1260
>> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>>
>> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228911#228911
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 24
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:46:13 PM PST US
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts
>
>
> I'm peckin' away because I've got a helluva cold/flu/whatever. I'd
> like to be out checking the takeoff-ability of the plane in this
> warming snow, but I feel like crap.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2009, at 2:32 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
>
>> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I like the anecdotal tales, but does anybody know, and can they
>>> cite, the appropriate rule regarding this practice? If I could
>>> find my FAR/ AIM, I'd try to look it up.
>>
>> I may be wrong, Lynn, but I I think you'll be wasting your time.
>> Better to wait and see if anyone can cite a reg, which I doubt.
>> Now, with a day like this, why are you hen pecking away at the key
>> board when you could be out taking advantage of this. My hangar is
>> surrounded by combines getting ready to take off my corn. The snow
>> is so deep they will have to just skim along the top of the snow to
>> get the cobs.
>>
>> Deke Morisse
>> Mikado Michigan
>> S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
>> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
>> progress."
>> - Joseph Joubert
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 25
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:03:50 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: posting photos - best way...
> From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
>
> akflyer wrote:
>>
>>
>> Note the new cowling art.....
>
>
> Hahaha,
>
> I like the looks of that [Wink]
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
> as you could
> have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228956#228956
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 26
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:08:36 PM PST US
> From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts
>
>
> No, the land is leased to a big farmer who, I assume has just been
> waiting
> for a good price before taking it off.
> Winter is so dry here that it does fine just standing there, except
> for the
> constant pilfering by the coons and deer.
> D
>>
>> Deke:
>>
>> You grow corn through the winter??
>>
>> Noel
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> fox5flyer
>> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:03 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Snowshoes on struts
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I like the anecdotal tales, but does anybody know, and can they
>>> cite,
>>> the
>>
>>> appropriate rule regarding this practice? If I could find my FAR/
>>> AIM,
>>> I'd
>>
>>> try to look it up.
>>
>> I may be wrong, Lynn, but I I think you'll be wasting your time.
>> Better
>> to
>> wait and see if anyone can cite a reg, which I doubt.
>> Now, with a day like this, why are you hen pecking away at the key
>> board
>> when you could be out taking advantage of this. My hangar is
>> surrounded
>> by
>> combines getting ready to take off my corn. The snow is so deep
>> they will
>> have to just skim along the top of the snow to get the cobs.
>>
>> Deke Morisse
>> Mikado Michigan
>> S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
>> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
>> progress."
>> - Joseph Joubert
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 27
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:30:26 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: corn harvest
> From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>
>
>
> On Fri, February 6, 2009 1:08 pm, fox5flyer wrote:
>>
>> No, the land is leased to a big farmer who, I assume has just been
>> waiting
>> for a good price before taking it off.
>> Winter is so dry here that it does fine just standing there,
>> except for the
>> constant pilfering by the coons and deer.
>
> More often than not, earlier in the season the water content was
> too high so the
> corn
> grain couldn't be stored without running it through a drier.
> Letting it stand until
> after it has been frozen for awhile dries it out enough. The
> downside of waiting
> is
> higher loss due to lodging and as Deke says, pilfering by the
> critters. This is
> not an
> unusual thing at all especially where the growing season is short.
> His corn was
> probably not planted until late May to mid June so it didn't mature
> soon enough
> to dry
> in the field sufficiently. Cold weather means low humidity and
> drying is accomplished
> well.
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 28
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:39:33 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: corn harvest
> From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
>
>
> A huge pile of sweet corn just waiting there to be processed and
> run through my
> Rotax 912-S and my Car... Its a beautiful thing !
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
> as you could
> have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228967#228967
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 29
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:23:30 PM PST US
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness
>
>
> If your copyright laws are anything like ours it must be enlarged a
> minimum
> of 1.5 times.
>
> I'm not sure about reduction but 60% seems to stick in my mind
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:45 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Getting a replacement airworthiness
>
>
> 7suds(at)Chartermi.net wrote:
>> Leonard,
>> Have not been following this whole thread so I apologize if this has
> already
>> been covered. You mentioned that you got a new airworthiness
>> certificate,
>> did you change the builders name on your data plate to your name
>> or did it
>> remain as the original builder's name?
>>
>> Lloyd Cudnohufsky
>> Model 5 Rebuild 912ul IVO IFA
>> Northern Mi.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> I should have been more clear, it is a REPLACEMENT airworthiness
> cert. It
> is just lilke the original and has the original builders name, but
> it now
> has an R in the # to denote it as a replacement.
>
> As a side note. The inspector told me to make a copy of it and
> keep on file
> so it would be easier to replace if need be in the future, however,
> he said
> an exact copy is illeagla to make. You must enlarge or shrink it
> when you
> copy it.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228941#228941
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 30
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:33:15 PM PST US
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: corn harvest
>
>
> Beautiful is in the eve of the beholder... If you have to convert
> the stuff
> then my friend Jim Beam should be able to help you.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JetPilot
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 6:09 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: corn harvest
>
>
> A huge pile of sweet corn just waiting there to be processed and
> run through
> my Rotax 912-S and my Car... Its a beautiful thing !
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
> as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228967#228967
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 31
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:27:32 PM PST US
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: corn harvest
>
>
> Careful Noel, it's Friday night and you remember what happened last
> weekend. : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
>>
>> Beautiful is in the eve of the beholder... If you have to convert
>> the stuff
>> then my friend Jim Beam should be able to help you.
>>
>> Noel
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JetPilot
>> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 6:09 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: corn harvest
>>
>>
>> A huge pile of sweet corn just waiting there to be processed and
>> run through
>> my Rotax 912-S and my Car... Its a beautiful thing !
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> --------
>> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
>> as you
>> could have !!!
>>
>> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228967#228967
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 32
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:02:41 PM PST US
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: corn harvest
>
>
> 'Tis Friday night but the cork is still in the Scotch... For a
> while :-)
>
> Noel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: corn harvest
>
>
> Careful Noel, it's Friday night and you remember what happened last
> weekend. : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
>>
>> Beautiful is in the eve of the beholder... If you have to convert
>> the stuff
>> then my friend Jim Beam should be able to help you.
>>
>> Noel
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JetPilot
>> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 6:09 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: corn harvest
>>
>>
>> A huge pile of sweet corn just waiting there to be processed and
>> run through
>> my Rotax 912-S and my Car... Its a beautiful thing !
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> --------
>> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
>> as you
>> could have !!!
>>
>> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228967#228967
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 33
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:30:42 PM PST US
> From: "Pete Christensen" <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Forward: Annual Desert Fox Squadron and
> Friends Fly-in on
> March 27th, 28th and 29th.
>
> Pete ,
>
> I just got this email from Cara Foster at ThunderRidge Airpark:
>
> Hello everyone!
>
> We hope all is well in your corner of the world!! We are doing fine
> and
> enjoying our beautiful desert and weather!
>
> We have decided to have our annual Desert Fox Squadron and Friends
> Fly-in on March 27th, 28th and 29th. As usual,
> we will need a head and bed count as soon as possible. Please RSVP
> to me
> with your name (if a group, please supply
> all names) and if you're flying or driving. Also if you'll need a
> single
> bed or if coming as a couple. Please be sure let
> me know even if you RSVP to anyone else. I don't always get the full
> message, number of beds needed etc.
>
> We look forward to seeing everyone again!
>
> Our best to all,
> Cara, Stan & Phil
>
> desertfoxlady@hotmail.com
> __________________
>
> Steve Kellander
> Desert Fox Squadron
>
> Moderator
>
> ________________________________ Message 34
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:59:24 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? !
> From: "WurlyBird" <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
>
> So today was my first day of instruction in my KF3 and it was a
> blast. The instructor
> pretty much let me do my thing and talked me threw a couple
> takeoffs and
> landings and then we just flew around for a couple hours constantly
> requesting
> the controls from the other person.
>
> So I have a few questions now that I actually have some time in the
> KF but the
> biggest one involves what I can only describe as "flutter". It was
> our final
> leg as we flew back to the airport after buzzing my house, cruising
> at about 75-80
> mph when an updraft hit one of the wings and set off a vibration in
> the wings.
> It only lasted a few seconds while I throttled back and slowed down
> quickly.
> There appeared to be a pivot, or node for you engineer types, at
> each wing
> support point and one in the center of the cockpit which was
> evidenced by
> feeling like I was in a drink shaker. The wings were not acting in
> unison and
> it felt VERY uncomfortable. I have seen video of gliders doing
> this at speeds
> above Vne. It gave us both a startle and I would like to figure
> out what possible
> causes were for this and if it is something I can fix or if it is just
> somethings that happens. I seriously doubt this is normal, but who
> knows maybe
> it is how to pick out the "New Guy".
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> --------
> Prospective Kitfox buyer
> Here for information on airframes and engines
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229000#229000
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 35
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:37:19 PM PST US
> From: Aerobatics@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! Must fix
>
> Everything naturally wants to flutter in the wind. The long
> ailerons can be
> very susceptible if there is any flexing or slop in the linkages.
> Furthering
>
> the issue is the flaperon linkage from the stick to the aileron.
> Stiffer is
> better than loose.
>
> Full amplitude of the flutter can be achieved in just a few
> cycles... a
> second. Stay away from it. Its speed related. Part of the
> solution is mass
> balancing. I believe you should have at LEAST one per aileron and
> the must be
>
> installed. The other is carefully looking at the entire linkage
> for ANY slop.
>
> Fix this issue. If it happens again you must slow down right away
> and land.
> Interesting, you will need to slow down to a slower speed than it
> started
> to get it to stop ....
>
> Flutter is brutal to hinges, control surfaces, linkages .... ok ok
> everything!
>
> I had it once briefly and let me tell you I re tightened everything
> and
> STRICKLY adhere to VNE. I have since flown probably 350 plus hours
> without
> another hint of it...
>
> Fly Safe, enjoy
>
> Dave KF 2 582 Blue hd E box....
>
>
> iIn a message dated 2/6/2009 8:00:22 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil writes:
>
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "WurlyBird"
> <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
> So today was my first day of instruction in my KF3 and it was a
> blast. The
> instructor pretty much let me do my thing and talked me threw a
> couple
> takeoffs and landings and then we just flew around for a couple
> hours constantly
>
> requesting the controls from the other person.
>
> So I have a few questions now that I actually have some time in
> the KF but
> the biggest one involves what I can only describe as "flutter".
> It was our
> final leg as we flew back to the airport after buzzing my house,
> cruising at
> about 75-80 mph when an updraft hit one of the wings and set off a
> vibration in
>
> the wings. It only lasted a few seconds while I throttled back
> and slowed
> down quickly. There appeared to be a pivot, or node for you
> engineer types,
> at each wing support point and one in the center of the cockpit
> which was
> evidenced by feeling like I was in a drink shaker. The wings were
> not acting
> in
> unison and it felt VERY uncomfortable. I have seen video of
> gliders doing
> this at speeds above Vne. It gave us both a startle and I would
> like to figure
>
> out what possible causes were for this and if it is something I
> can fix or
> if it is just somethings that happens. I seriously doubt this is
> normal, but
>
> who knows maybe it is how to pick out the "New Guy".
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> --------
> Prospective Kitfox buyer
> Here for information on airframes and engines
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229000#229000
>
>
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> From: Dee Young <henrysfork1@msn.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? !
>
>
> Sounds similar to flapperon flutter. They installed counter weigts
> on the f
> lapperons to prevent this. Not sure if the model III was subject to
> that or
> not. That is a place to start. Maybe check the slop in the control
> linkage
> also.
>
> Dee Young
> Model II
> N345DY
>
> Do not archive> Subject: Kitfox-List: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? !>
> From: j
> ames.t.trizzino@us.army.mil> Date: Fri=2C 6 Feb 2009 17:58:42
> -0800> To: ki
> james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>> > So today was my first day of
> instruction i
> n my KF3 and it was a blast. The instructor pretty much let me do
> my thing
> and talked me threw a couple takeoffs and landings and then we just
> flew ar
> ound for a couple hours constantly requesting the controls from the
> other p
> erson. > > So I have a few questions now that I actually have some
> time in
> the KF but the biggest one involves what I can only describe as
> "flutter".
> It was our final leg as we flew back to the airport after buzzing
> my house
> =2C cruising at about 75-80 mph when an updraft hit one of the
> wings and se
> t off a vibration in the wings. It only lasted a few seconds while
> I thrott
> led back and slowed down quickly. There appeared to be a pivot=2C
> or node f
> or you engineer types=2C at each wing support point and one in the
> center o
> f the cockpit which was evidenced by feeling like I was in a drink
> shaker.
> The wings were not acting in unison and it felt VERY uncomfortable.
> I have
> seen video of gliders doing this at speeds above Vne. It gave us
> both a sta
> rtle and I would like to figure out what possible causes were for
> this and
> if it is something I can fix or if it is just somethings that
> happens. I se
> riously doubt this is normal=2C but who knows maybe it is how to
> pick out t
> he "New Guy". > > Thanks for the help.> > --------> Prospective
> Kitfox buye
> r> Here for information on airframes and engines> > > > > Read this
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> nline here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?
> p=229000#229000>
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
This is WAY off flying as a topic, but I once had a go-kart to which
I fitted a longer rear axle so I could widen the tread width, and
have both rear wheels become drive wheels. I used a standard 36"
length of "ground and polished cold-rolled steel". Not knowing at the
time just exactly *what* width I wanted, I left the full 36" of axle,
and just milled a 1/4" keyway on each end for the drive hubs, and
installed it. A few days later, I was out on a frozen lake roaring
around, and testing my stupidity, and I saw a dock pipe sticking up
out of the ice...the dock had been taken inside for the winter. I
thought it'd be fun to see how close I could make the front tire
*just* miss the pipe. I think you can imagine the rest of the
story....actually, this story DOES have something to do with
flying....I damn near got airborne hitting that pipe with the widened
rear end, and definitely did a ground loop! And, I had a pretty
wobbly race car to boot...it bent the axle pretty good.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Feb 7, 2009, at 1:57 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
>
> Lynn Matteson wrote:
>> Hey Snake-
>> I just had another look at your plane/photo, and the ski axles caught
>> my eye....are the extensions that project toward the centerline of
>> the plane for "assist wheels" for hangar handling, and trailer-
>> loading? If so, good plan.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> New skis done and flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>
>
> Well..... to be honest, I had to make longer axles as I had to put
> 3" more space in the wheels to fit the big tundra tires. When I
> changed over to ski's I just shoved the axles in and re-drilled the
> holes through the gear legs. I was going to cut them off flush,
> but they did make a great place for the jack when slipping the skis
> on so I left them. I will have to make another set of axles for
> the wheels if I ever put them back on. I am hoping to just go
> between floats and skis, but you never know, I make go wheels again
> one of these days.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Adding wheel pants. |
I bought that option with my model 4 Speedster so I should have that info out
in my shop if you can't get it from the Kitfox folks.Just let me know. Leon Morris/Classic
4 Speedster/65%/Flower Mound, TX
---- yodaone <yodaone@comcast.net> wrote:
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> I'm adding wheel pants to a Kitfox IV with the original landing gear.
> I do not have any hardware or publication on how to install them.
> I only have the wheel pants.
> Kitfox indicated they don't have an installation manual via electronic format.
> I'm waiting to see if they could fax it to me.
>
> Does anyone have information on hardware need and how to install the wheel pants?
> Thanks
>
> --------
> 1991 Kitfox IV 1050LB
> Rotax 912UL
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| Subject: | Re: Adding wheel pants. |
I'm travelling at the moment but I think I have nearly all of the hardware
and plans etc required. I will be back in Australia early march and can
send it if interested
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Kitfox-List: Adding wheel pants.
I'm adding wheel pants to a Kitfox IV with the original landing gear.
I do not have any hardware or publication on how to install them.
I only have the wheel pants.
Kitfox indicated they don't have an installation manual via electronic
format.
I'm waiting to see if they could fax it to me.
Does anyone have information on hardware need and how to install the wheel
pants?
Thanks
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
I am gonna go through all my linkages to make sure everything is nice and snug
before I fly again. I have the flaperon counterweights installed, so at least
that has already been done. Funny you mention the ASI, I was questioning it
at times during the flight. But it seemed to be indicating higher then actual
frequently. I set it up a couple of times for a moderate cruise setting, 5500
to 5800 in level flight with a 582, and slight updrafts would cause airspeed
to indicate right at 100 mph. This seems a bit unlikely. Also several times
on final I would be indicating 70 to 80 and it would feel like the proper approach
speed based on stick feel, ground speed, decent, so I would hold 70 to the
round out and it would feel pretty natural. I am definitely still learning
the nuances of his little plane.
--------
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Here for information on airframes and engines
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
AKFlyer: Do you have a cabin heater in your Avid?
If so: Is it liquid or exhaust heat driven and is it effective?
I see many Foxes and Avids on skis and was wondering if you just bundle up in the
snowmobiling gear and shiver or if you can keep it kind of warm in the cabin.
Thanks.
--------
Thanks,
Av8r3400
Currently between planes, but not for long...
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
I have a heat muff (no pot scrubbers installed LMAO). I used Low-e insulation
in the cabin area and can fly comfortably in -10 temps. I still wear my snow
machine gear, but that is more of a safety issue. If you go down in cold weather,
and are knocked out, if yer not bundled up you could freeze before getting
your butt outta the wreckage. I don't have to wear gloves and my nose does
not freeze while flying.
I plan on making a curtain to go from the floor behind the seat to the turtle deck
to block off all heat from going into the rear of the fuse. No reason to
heat up the tail.
I have a scoop on the back of the radiator with a 1 1/2" scat hose feeding the
heat muff (sorta preheats the air) then a 2" into the cabin through a heat box
so I can shut off in the summer. I can get pics when I get back home in a couple
weeks if you would like to see the install.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
Len=2C I would appreciate seeing your install.
do not archivePat ReillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford=2C IL> Subject: Kitfox-Li
st: Re: posting photos - best way...> From: akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> Date: S
at=2C 7 Feb 2009 15:05:14 -0800> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfo
x-List message posted by: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>> > I have a he
at muff (no pot scrubbers installed LMAO). I used Low-e insulation in the c
abin area and can fly comfortably in -10 temps. I still wear my snow machin
e gear=2C but that is more of a safety issue. If you go down in cold weathe
r=2C and are knocked out=2C if yer not bundled up you could freeze before g
etting your butt outta the wreckage. I don't have to wear gloves and my nos
e does not freeze while flying.> > I plan on making a curtain to go from th
e floor behind the seat to the turtle deck to block off all heat from going
into the rear of the fuse. No reason to heat up the tail.> > I have a scoo
p on the back of the radiator with a 1 1/2" scat hose feeding the heat muff
(sorta preheats the air) then a 2" into the cabin through a heat box so I
can shut off in the summer. I can get pics when I get back home in a couple
weeks if you would like to see the install.> > --------> DO NOT ARCHIVE> L
eonard Perry aka SNAKE> Soldotna AK> Avid "=3BC"=3B / Mk IV > 582 I
VO IFA> Full Lotus 1260> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009> > hander ou
ter of humorless darwin awards> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > htt
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
Lynn=2C Now why in the Hell would you tell us that story unless some witnes
s to the stupidity brought it up? And=2C if he did=2C if it was me=2C I'd s
till deny it. And=2C I thought you were one of the smartest guys on this we
bsite!
do not archivePat ReillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford=2C IL> From: lynnmatt@jps
.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: posting photos - best way...> Date: Sat
=2C 7 Feb 2009 14:35:31 -0500> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-
List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>> > This is WAY off
flying as a topic=2C but I once had a go-kart to which > I fitted a longer
rear axle so I could widen the tread width=2C and > have both rear wheels
become drive wheels. I used a standard 36" > length of "ground and polished
cold-rolled steel". Not knowing at the > time just exactly *what* width I
wanted=2C I left the full 36" of axle=2C > and just milled a 1/4" keyway on
each end for the drive hubs=2C and > installed it. A few days later=2C I w
as out on a frozen lake roaring > around=2C and testing my stupidity=2C and
I saw a dock pipe sticking up > out of the ice...the dock had been taken i
nside for the winter. I > thought it'd be fun to see how close I could make
the front tire > *just* miss the pipe. I think you can imagine the rest of
the > story....actually=2C this story DOES have something to do with > fly
ing....I damn near got airborne hitting that pipe with the widened > rear e
nd=2C and definitely did a ground loop! And=2C I had a pretty > wobbly race
car to boot...it bent the axle pretty good.> > Lynn Matteson> Kitfox IV Sp
eedster=2C taildragger> Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 605 hrs> Sensenich 62x46> E
lectroair direct-fire ignition system> New skis done and flying> do not arc
hive> > > > On Feb 7=2C 2009=2C at 1:57 PM=2C akflyer wrote:> > > --> Kitfo
x-List message posted by: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>> >> >> > Lynn
Matteson wrote:> >> Hey Snake-> >> I just had another look at your plane/ph
oto=2C and the ski axles caught> >> my eye....are the extensions that proje
ct toward the centerline of> >> the plane for "assist wheels" for hangar ha
ndling=2C and trailer-> >> loading? If so=2C good plan.> >>> >> Lynn Mattes
on> >> Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger> >> Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 605 h
rs> >> Sensenich 62x46> >> Electroair direct-fire ignition system> >> New s
kis done and flying> >> do not archive> >>> >>> >> >> > Well..... to be hon
est=2C I had to make longer axles as I had to put > > 3" more space in the
wheels to fit the big tundra tires. When I > > changed over to ski's I just
shoved the axles in and re-drilled the > > holes through the gear legs. I
was going to cut them off flush=2C > > but they did make a great place for
the jack when slipping the skis > > on so I left them. I will have to make
another set of axles for > > the wheels if I ever put them back on. I am ho
ping to just go > > between floats and skis=2C but you never know=2C I make
go wheels again > > one of these days.> >> > --------> > DO NOT ARCHIVE> >
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE> > Soldotna AK> > Avid "=3BC"=3B / Mk IV>
> 582 IVO IFA> > Full Lotus 1260> > #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009>
>> > hander outer of humorless darwin awards> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic
online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229086#22
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
Do you have a GPS to check it against? I found that mine was off about 5 mph (high)
from 40-65 then it was dead on up to 110.
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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
I think he was pointing out that with the extra axle sticking out inside the gear
legs, I was setting myself up for possibly hitting something. A dock pole
is a VERY good example. I hit one with the A-arm on my snogo last week, and it
was in a spot that I would have taxied my plane right over!
Course, that could just be pure snake oil too and Lynn is trying to knock me out
of the top salesman slot. Back off Lynn the position is mine and I aim to keep
it :-)
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Len,
>
> I just looked at your photo again and it occurred to me that the colors you
> chose has a lot to do with background contrast in the event you triggered a
> search and rescue operation. My old airplane was largely white with dark
> blue scallops on the wing. I would guess pretty much invisible in snow. My
> new one is planned as yellow with white trim. Not good for snow conditions
> either, I guess.
>
> Lowell
Lowell, the more I think about it, yellow would be good... some one is gonna be
curious what the heck made that much yellow snow and they are gonna land and
take a look.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way...off topic |
Hey Snake ( I like it!) ;o),
We were living in Kiana on the Kobuk in maybe 81-81. Had a friend who
thought it was great fun to come blasting up in front of our house with his
snowmobile and send our big empty garbage can sailing across the tundra. One
day my wife had dropped the can downsideup over a stump. After his next raid
we spent a quite a bit of time making his buggy look like is was supposed
to. He didn't break anything on himself but he sure went for a nice short
flight into the puckerbrush. Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 6:32 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: posting photos - best way...
>
> I think he was pointing out that with the extra axle sticking out inside
> the gear legs, I was setting myself up for possibly hitting something. A
> dock pole is a VERY good example. I hit one with the A-arm on my snogo
> last week, and it was in a spot that I would have taxied my plane right
> over!
>
> Course, that could just be pure snake oil too and Lynn is trying to knock
> me out of the top salesman slot. Back off Lynn the position is mine and I
> aim to keep it :-)
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229126#229126
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
Keep thinking of me as one of the smartest, and we'll all know who
leads the list of the opposite persuasion. : )
I don't know, I just saw Lenny's extra axle length stickin' out there
and had a flashback....it must be the codeine in the cough syrup
that's makin' me weird. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Feb 7, 2009, at 6:23 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, Now why in the Hell would you tell us that story unless some
> witness to the stupidity brought it up? And, if he did, if it was
> me, I'd still deny it. And, I thought you were one of the smartest
> guys on this website!
> do not archive
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
>
> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: posting photos - best way...
> > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 14:35:31 -0500
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > This is WAY off flying as a topic, but I once had a go-kart to which
> > I fitted a longer rear axle so I could widen the tread width, and
> > have both rear wheels become drive wheels. I used a standard 36"
> > length of "ground and polished cold-rolled steel". Not knowing at
> the
> > time just exactly *what* width I wanted, I left the full 36" of
> axle,
> > and just milled a 1/4" keyway on each end for the drive hubs, and
> > installed it. A few days later, I was out on a frozen lake roaring
> > around, and testing my stupidity, and I saw a dock pipe sticking up
> > out of the ice...the dock had been taken inside for the winter. I
> > thought it'd be fun to see how close I could make the front tire
> > *just* miss the pipe. I think you can imagine the rest of the
> > story....actually, this story DOES have something to do with
> > flying....I damn near got airborne hitting that pipe with the
> widened
> > rear end, and definitely did a ground loop! And, I had a pretty
> > wobbly race car to boot...it bent the axle pretty good.
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> > Sensenich 62x46
> > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > New skis done and flying
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 7, 2009, at 1:57 PM, akflyer wrote:
> >
> <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > Lynn Matteson wrote:
> > >> Hey Snake-
> > >> I just had another look at your plane/photo, and the ski axles
> caught
> > >> my eye....are the extensions that project toward the
> centerline of
> > >> the plane for "assist wheels" for hangar handling, and trailer-
> > >> loading? If so, good plan.
> > >>
> > >> Lynn Matteson
> > >> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > >> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> > >> Sensenich 62x46
> > >> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > >> New skis done and flying
> > >> do not archive
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Well..... to be honest, I had to make longer axles as I had to put
> > > 3" more space in the wheels to fit the big tundra tires. When I
> > > changed over to ski's I just shoved the axles in and re-drilled
> the
> > > holes through the gear legs. I was going to cut them off flush,
> > > but they did make a great place for the jack when slipping the
> skis
> > > on so I left them. I will have to make another set of axles for
> > > the wheels if I ever put them back on. I am hoping to just go
> > > between floats and skis, but you never know, I make go wheels
> again
> > > one of these days.
> > >
> > > --------
> > > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > > Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> > > Soldotna AK
> > > Avid "C" / Mk IV
> > > 582 IVO IFA
> > > Full Lotus 1260
> > > #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
> > >
> > > hander outer of humorless darwin awards
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229086#229086
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
I bow to your obvious lead in that category, Sssssss-man. : )
However, my mongoose costume is on order from Amazon.com and will
arrive shortly....be prepared, oh slithering one.....
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Feb 7, 2009, at 6:32 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
> Course, that could just be pure snake oil too and Lynn is trying to
> knock me out of the top salesman slot. Back off Lynn the position
> is mine and I aim to keep it :-)
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229126#229126
>
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way...off topic |
I like your wife already! Nothing like sending your buddy into the pickers and
getting a good laugh outa the deal. The only way it would have been better was
if you had a camera rolling at time of impact!
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
You actually admitted that?
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: posting photos - best way...
>
> This is WAY off flying as a topic, but I once had a go-kart to which
> I fitted a longer rear axle so I could widen the tread width, and
> have both rear wheels become drive wheels. I used a standard 36"
> length of "ground and polished cold-rolled steel". Not knowing at the
> time just exactly *what* width I wanted, I left the full 36" of axle,
> and just milled a 1/4" keyway on each end for the drive hubs, and
> installed it. A few days later, I was out on a frozen lake roaring
> around, and testing my stupidity, and I saw a dock pipe sticking up
> out of the ice...the dock had been taken inside for the winter. I
> thought it'd be fun to see how close I could make the front tire
> *just* miss the pipe. I think you can imagine the rest of the
> story....actually, this story DOES have something to do with
> flying....I damn near got airborne hitting that pipe with the widened
> rear end, and definitely did a ground loop! And, I had a pretty
> wobbly race car to boot...it bent the axle pretty good.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2009, at 1:57 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Lynn Matteson wrote:
>>> Hey Snake-
>>> I just had another look at your plane/photo, and the ski axles caught
>>> my eye....are the extensions that project toward the centerline of
>>> the plane for "assist wheels" for hangar handling, and trailer-
>>> loading? If so, good plan.
>>>
>>> Lynn Matteson
>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>> New skis done and flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Well..... to be honest, I had to make longer axles as I had to put
>> 3" more space in the wheels to fit the big tundra tires. When I
>> changed over to ski's I just shoved the axles in and re-drilled the
>> holes through the gear legs. I was going to cut them off flush,
>> but they did make a great place for the jack when slipping the skis
>> on so I left them. I will have to make another set of axles for
>> the wheels if I ever put them back on. I am hoping to just go
>> between floats and skis, but you never know, I make go wheels again
>> one of these days.
>>
>> --------
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
>> Soldotna AK
>> Avid "C" / Mk IV
>> 582 IVO IFA
>> Full Lotus 1260
>> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>>
>> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229086#229086
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
Yeah, why not? It just shows how much I've matured over the
years...oh, NO........my nose is growing!
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Feb 7, 2009, at 8:32 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> You actually admitted that?
> Deke
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 2:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: posting photos - best way...
>
>
>> This is WAY off flying as a topic, but I once had a go-kart to
>> which I fitted a longer rear axle so I could widen the tread
>> width, and have both rear wheels become drive wheels. I used a
>> standard 36" length of "ground and polished cold-rolled steel".
>> Not knowing at the time just exactly *what* width I wanted, I
>> left the full 36" of axle, and just milled a 1/4" keyway on each
>> end for the drive hubs, and installed it. A few days later, I was
>> out on a frozen lake roaring around, and testing my stupidity,
>> and I saw a dock pipe sticking up out of the ice...the dock had
>> been taken inside for the winter. I thought it'd be fun to see
>> how close I could make the front tire *just* miss the pipe. I
>> think you can imagine the rest of the story....actually, this
>> story DOES have something to do with flying....I damn near got
>> airborne hitting that pipe with the widened rear end, and
>> definitely did a ground loop! And, I had a pretty wobbly race
>> car to boot...it bent the axle pretty good.
>> Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
Frank, Wheels off to wheels on was a cool 1hr 5 min. An easy 20 minute trip for
you :-) I know you don't know me all that well, but I don't give a crap about
fame and Who's who... The people I met today seem genuine and nice people.
I definitely want to go up with you in your RV next time I'm there. I wanna
see the coast at 180 knots :-) If you ever want to travel and do an overnighter,
then come back the next day or so. Consider me... I like to go... That's
why I want a faster airplane is because I want to go places... I flew that Kitfox
280 hrs last year. I went places, it just took me longer to get there.
Oh ya, I wont send you those emails regular. I just got it and passed it on :-)
It was nice to look at... Steve Bennett
In a message dated 02/07/09 20:34:27 Eastern Standard Time, fox5flyer@idealwifi.net
writes:
You actually admitted that?
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: posting photos - best way...
>
> This is WAY off flying as a topic, but I once had a go-kart to which
> I fitted a longer rear axle so I could widen the tread width, and
> have both rear wheels become drive wheels. I used a standard 36"
> length of "ground and polished cold-rolled steel". Not knowing at the
> time just exactly *what* width I wanted, I left the full 36" of axle,
> and just milled a 1/4" keyway on each end for the drive hubs, and
> installed it. A few days later, I was out on a frozen lake roaring
> around, and testing my stupidity, and I saw a dock pipe sticking up
> out of the ice...the dock had been taken inside for the winter. I
> thought it'd be fun to see how close I could make the front tire
> *just* miss the pipe. I think you can imagine the rest of the
> story....actually, this story DOES have something to do with
> flying....I damn near got airborne hitting that pipe with the widened
> rear end, and definitely did a ground loop! And, I had a pretty
> wobbly race car to boot...it bent the axle pretty good.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2009, at 1:57 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Lynn Matteson wrote:
>>> Hey Snake-
>>> I just had another look at your plane/photo, and the ski axles caught
>>> my eye....are the extensions that project toward the centerline of
>>> the plane for "assist wheels" for hangar handling, and trailer-
>>> loading? If so, good plan.
>>>
>>> Lynn Matteson
>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>> New skis done and flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Well..... to be honest, I had to make longer axles as I had to put
>> 3" more space in the wheels to fit the big tundra tires. When I
>> changed over to ski's I just shoved the axles in and re-drilled the
>> holes through the gear legs. I was going to cut them off flush,
>> but they did make a great place for the jack when slipping the skis
>> on so I left them. I will have to make another set of axles for
>> the wheels if I ever put them back on. I am hoping to just go
>> between floats and skis, but you never know, I make go wheels again
>> one of these days.
>>
>> --------
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
>> Soldotna AK
>> Avid "C" / Mk IV
>> 582 IVO IFA
>> Full Lotus 1260
>> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>>
>> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229086#229086
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Sorry for the last post as it was meant to be sent privately. Steve Bennett
In a message dated 02/07/09 21:28:30 Eastern Standard Time, sbennett3 writes:
Frank, Wheels off to wheels on was a cool 1hr 5 min. An easy 20 minute trip for
you :-) I know you don't know me all that well, but I don't give a crap about
fame and Who's who... The people I met today seem genuine and nice people.
I definitely want to go up with you in your RV next time I'm there. I wanna
see the coast at 180 knots :-) If you ever want to travel and do an overnighter,
then come back the next day or so. Consider me... I like to go... That's
why I want a faster airplane is because I want to go places... I flew that Kitfox
280 hrs last year. I went places, it just took me longer to get there.
Oh ya, I wont send you those emails regular. I just got it and passed it on :-)
It was nice to look at... Steve Bennett
In a message dated 02/07/09 20:34:27 Eastern Standard Time, fox5flyer@idealwifi.net
writes:
You actually admitted that?
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: posting photos - best way...
>
> This is WAY off flying as a topic, but I once had a go-kart to which
> I fitted a longer rear axle so I could widen the tread width, and
> have both rear wheels become drive wheels. I used a standard 36"
> length of "ground and polished cold-rolled steel". Not knowing at the
> time just exactly *what* width I wanted, I left the full 36" of axle,
> and just milled a 1/4" keyway on each end for the drive hubs, and
> installed it. A few days later, I was out on a frozen lake roaring
> around, and testing my stupidity, and I saw a dock pipe sticking up
> out of the ice...the dock had been taken inside for the winter. I
> thought it'd be fun to see how close I could make the front tire
> *just* miss the pipe. I think you can imagine the rest of the
> story....actually, this story DOES have something to do with
> flying....I damn near got airborne hitting that pipe with the widened
> rear end, and definitely did a ground loop! And, I had a pretty
> wobbly race car to boot...it bent the axle pretty good.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
&g t ;
> On Feb 7, 2009, at 1:57 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Lynn Matteson wrote:
>>> Hey Snake-
>>> I just had another look at your plane/photo, and the ski axles caught
>>> my eye....are the extensions that project toward the centerline of
>>> the plane for "assist wheels" for hangar handling, and trailer-
>>> loading? If so, good plan.
>>>
>>> Lynn Matteson
>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>> New skis done and flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Well..... to be honest, I had to make longer axles as I had to put
>> 3" more space in the wheels to fit the big tundra ti res. When I
>> changed over to ski's I just shoved the axles in and re-drilled the
>> holes through the gear legs. I was going to cut them off flush,
>> but they did make a great place for the jack when slipping the skis
>> on so I left them. I will have to make another set of axles for
>> the wheels if I ever put them back on. I am hoping to just go
>> between floats and skis, but you never know, I make go wheels again
>> one of these days.
>>
>> --------
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
>> Soldotna AK
>> Avid "C" / Mk IV
>> 582 IVO IFA
>> Full Lotus 1260
>> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>>
>> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>>
>>
>>
>>
& gt;> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http
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| Subject: | Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
I've never had a flutter on my plane but I expect cutting the power and
possibly loading the flaperons (pulling a bit of flap ) would stop the
flutter close to instantly.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 2:27 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? !
This is a serious issue.. review what Dave said (see below) I would also
check the airspeed indicator for accuracy.
"The long ailerons can be very susceptible if there is any flexing or slop
in the linkages. Furthering the issue is the flaperon linkage from the
stick to the aileron. Stiffer is better than loose.
Full amplitude of the flutter can be achieved in just a few cycles... a
second. Stay away from it. Its speed related. Part of the solution is mass
balancing. I believe you should have at LEAST one per aileron and the must
be installed. The other is carefully looking at the entire linkage for ANY
slop.
Fix this issue. If it happens again you must slow down right away and land.
Interesting, you will need to slow down to a slower speed than it started to
get it to stop ....
Flutter is brutal to hinges, control surfaces, linkages .... ok ok
everything!
I had it once briefly and let me tell you I re tightened everything and
STRICKLY adhere to VNE. I have since flown probably 350 plus hours without
another hint of it...
Fly Safe, enjoy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WurlyBird
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? !
--> <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
So today was my first day of instruction in my KF3 and it was a blast. The
instructor pretty much let me do my thing and talked me threw a couple
takeoffs and landings and then we just flew around for a couple hours
constantly requesting the controls from the other person.
So I have a few questions now that I actually have some time in the KF but
the biggest one involves what I can only describe as "flutter". It was our
final leg as we flew back to the airport after buzzing my house, cruising at
about 75-80 mph when an updraft hit one of the wings and set off a vibration
in the wings. It only lasted a few seconds while I throttled back and
slowed down quickly. There appeared to be a pivot, or node for you engineer
types, at each wing support point and one in the center of the cockpit which
was evidenced by feeling like I was in a drink shaker. The wings were not
acting in unison and it felt VERY uncomfortable. I have seen video of
gliders doing this at speeds above Vne. It gave us both a startle and I
would like to figure out what possible causes were for this and if it is
something I can fix or if it is just somethings that happens. I seriously
doubt this is normal, but who knows maybe it is how to pick out the "New
Guy".
Thanks for the help.
--------
Prospective Kitfox buyer
Here for information on airframes and engines
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
Well as quickly as I could react, about a second I think, I reduced the throttle
and started a slight climb. This helped so I closed the throttle more and climbed
steeper and it stopped almost instantly. I was indicating 75 to 80 at
the time, it was at about 5800 rpm, straight and level.
I went through all my control linkages and I am very concerned to report that there
is a fair amount of play in the system that doesn't appear to be able to
be tightened out. Every single spherical bolt in the system, there is about 16
per side I think, has a noticeable amount of play in it, say.01". If I hold
one flaperon control tube still I can coax about .1" of play out of the other.
Unless the guy who built this plane somehow managed to mangle every single
spherical bolt he came into contact with it seems that this is something I may
have to live with. Not the actual flutter but the risk of it. What is the consensus
here?
A. the builder damaged all 30+ spherical bolts it the flaperon mixer/system
B. the system is fine and I just found myself in that 1:1000000 circumstance
C. the ASI is in horrible err and this plane is capable of over 100 mph straight
and level with a 582 at cruise settings
D there is a way to tighten these bolts that I am unaware of
--------
Prospective Kitfox buyer
Here for information on airframes and engines
Read this topic online here:
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So as not to go off topic in the Photo Thread:
I'd like to know more about the cabin heat systems that are being installed on
your planes and how well they really work.
AKFlyer is using an exhaust muff for heat (quite successfully it seems). I'm curious,
does this motor (582) not put off enough (consistent?) heat into the coolant
for a "heater-core" type of automotive system?
Is anyone using a heater-core hooked to the coolant in your 582 or 912? I thought
that there were some done like this with the 912 motors.
I'm leaning more and more toward the 'Fox over the others I have been looking at
for a 1st experimental. But I would like to do some winter flying in relative
comfort, which makes cabin heat mandatory.
(My budget is telling me I will be looking for a III or IV, probably with a 582
to start with. [Wink] )
--------
Thanks,
Av8r3400
Currently between planes, but not for long...
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