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1. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: posting photos - best way... (Noel Loveys)
2. 09:03 AM - Re: posting photos - best way... (akflyer)
3. 09:12 AM - Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (darinh)
4. 09:14 AM - Re: Cabin Heating (darinh)
5. 12:41 PM - Re: Cabin Heating (akflyer)
6. 12:44 PM - Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (Tom Jones)
7. 01:12 PM - Bill of Sale ()
8. 01:46 PM - Re: Bill of Sale (Tom Jones)
9. 02:04 PM - Re: Cabin Heating (Pete Christensen)
10. 02:14 PM - Re: Re: Bill of Sale ()
11. 02:41 PM - Re: Bill of Sale (akflyer)
12. 03:56 PM - Re: Bill of Sale (Lynn Matteson)
13. 04:06 PM - Re: Bill of Sale (Dennis Golden)
14. 04:07 PM - Re: Bill of Sale (patrick reilly)
15. 05:24 PM - Re: Bill of Sale (Michael Logan)
16. 08:59 PM - Re: Bill of Sale (darinh)
17. 09:04 PM - Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (WurlyBird)
18. 09:29 PM - Re: Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (Jim Corner)
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
Day-Glo Orange isn't too bad when trimmed with navy blue. ;-)
n.l. planes.jpg
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 8:43 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: posting photos - best way...
lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Len,
>
> I just looked at your photo again and it occurred to me that the colors
you
> chose has a lot to do with background contrast in the event you triggered
a
> search and rescue operation. My old airplane was largely white with dark
> blue scallops on the wing. I would guess pretty much invisible in snow.
My
> new one is planned as yellow with white trim. Not good for snow
conditions
> either, I guess.
>
> Lowell
Lowell, the more I think about it, yellow would be good... some one is gonna
be curious what the heck made that much yellow snow and they are gonna land
and take a look.
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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: posting photos - best way... |
Lynn Matteson wrote:
> I bow to your obvious lead in that category, Sssssss-man. : )
> However, my mongoose costume is on order from Amazon.com and will
> arrive shortly....be prepared, oh slithering one.....
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
I aint skeered... I just ordered the new HMR .17 varmint rifle with the latest
super duper laser scope and heat seeking mongoose ammo.
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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
WurlyBird,
My first Kitfox was a model 3 with the 912 UL and there was no way I was getting
100 mph out of it in straight and level flight. In Fact, my typical cruise
at 5000 rpm was 75-80 mph. When I sold it, the guy who bought it wanted to do
a full power run to see what it would do and we saw 94 mph. I never experienced
any flutter and don't remember any slop in any of the systems...but it was
built by the former president of Kitfox/Skystar so he knew the airplane inside
and out. Hope you figure it out.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heating |
The standard cabin heat for the 912 series is a heater core with two big CPU fans
on top. This is how mine is done and it works very well. I have a coolant
shut-off valve on it so I can turn it off in the summer and not have the hot
coolant running through the core. I will post some pics of it when I get to my
other computer.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heating |
My brothers KF II has the stock heater core and PC fan in it. It will get the
temps 15-20 deg above ambient on a good day. The heat muff gives alot better
heat, and is lighter. Mine had big heater core in it with dual fans when I bought
it, but the dang thing was over 5 pounds. I under a pound in my new heat
system with better heating.
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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
> A. the builder damaged all 30+ spherical bolts it the flaperon mixer/system
>
> B. the system is fine and I just found myself in that 1:1000000 circumstance
>
> C. the ASI is in horrible err and this plane is capable of over 100 mph straight
and level with a 582 at cruise settings
>
> D there is a way to tighten these bolts that I am unaware of
James, I will offer some ideas to check.
There was an instance early on in kitfox history where a flaperon control rod unscrewed
itself during transport on a trailer. Being that yours just completed
a long ride I would check everything with that in mind. Look for something
that might have loosened up during transport.
Check everything between the stick and the flaperon hinge attachments to the wings.
Rod ends should not have slop on their attach bolt. They should be replaced if
they do.
Make sure all check nuts are still tight.
The flaperon control horn tube passes through a nylon bering on the turtle deck.
Is that bering snug around the control horn tube?
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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I know this subject has been discussed at some length before,but I'm just inquiring
to find out if there was anyone that had bought their kit during the 1994
time frame if they received a Bill of Sale (AC Form 8050-2) from SkyStar and
if you did, was it in the kit(big box) with all the other paperwork or was
it mailed separately? The reason I asked was I can't find mine anywhere in my
paperwork or old records. Thanks--- Leon Morris/Classic 4 Speedster/65%/Flower
Mound,TX
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of Sale |
Leon,
I purchased my Kit in Sept. 1994. I remember when I was getting close to registering
the finished airplane the FAA was making a big stink about having paper
work to track the kit back to the kit manufacturer.
I just looked in my files and found the Bill of sale from Skystar. It is dated
Aug, 1999. Sooo, I would say, in 1994 I didn't get the kind of paper work the
FAA wanted, so later contacted Skystar to issue me this Bill of sale.
This bill of sale is an FAA form that Skystar filled out. The form number is AC
Form (8050-2) (9/92).
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heating |
My Kitfox III with 912 has the stock heater core and computer fan and I
can't leave it on or I'll roast. But I live in Hell Paso so it's rarely
cold.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "Av8r3400" <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
>
> So as not to go off topic in the Photo Thread:
>
> I'd like to know more about the cabin heat systems that are being
> installed on your planes and how well they really work........
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of Sale |
Thanks Tom, I thought that if I had got a bill of sale I would have hung on
to it.Guess they didn't send me one either. I purchased mine in Aug 94.--- Leon
---- Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net> wrote:
>
> Leon,
> I purchased my Kit in Sept. 1994. I remember when I was getting close to registering
the finished airplane the FAA was making a big stink about having paper
work to track the kit back to the kit manufacturer.
>
> I just looked in my files and found the Bill of sale from Skystar. It is dated
Aug, 1999. Sooo, I would say, in 1994 I didn't get the kind of paper work
the FAA wanted, so later contacted Skystar to issue me this Bill of sale.
>
> This bill of sale is an FAA form that Skystar filled out. The form number is
AC Form (8050-2) (9/92).
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of Sale |
Leon Morris wrote:
> I know this subject has been discussed at some length before,but I'm just inquiring
to find out if there was anyone that had bought their kit during the 1994
time frame if they received a Bill of Sale (AC Form 8050-2) from SkyStar and
if you did, was it in the kit(big box) with all the other paperwork or was it
mailed separately? The reason I asked was I can't find mine anywhere in my paperwork
or old records. Thanks--- Leon Morris/Classic 4 Speedster/65%/Flower
Mound,TX
Did you ever register the plane? If so, you can request the record from the FAA
and they should have the bill of sale on file.
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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of Sale |
Hi Leon-
When I registered mine...I was the 4th owner...I got nervous because
there was a misspelling of one of the previous owner's names, and
there was a widow involved, who had signed off her spouse's name,
both of which I could see might cause a lengthy delay in getting the
paperwork through. I had the "paper trail" all the way from the
original sales receipt from Skystar to the last owner. I talked with
EAA and they suggested that I register it as "built from
miscellaneous parts". They told me that this was the same as if the
kit were incomplete, which in truth it was....there was no cowl. So I
called OK City...or whoever...and ran this by them and they said that
was perfectly legit to do it that way, so I did. I got the completed
registration back in 3 weeks, all perfectly legal.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Feb 8, 2009, at 4:11 PM, <l.morris@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I know this subject has been discussed at some length before,but
> I'm just inquiring to find out if there was anyone that had bought
> their kit during the 1994 time frame if they received a Bill of
> Sale (AC Form 8050-2) from SkyStar and if you did, was it in the kit
> (big box) with all the other paperwork or was it mailed separately?
> The reason I asked was I can't find mine anywhere in my paperwork
> or old records. Thanks--- Leon Morris/Classic 4 Speedster/65%/
> Flower Mound,TX
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of Sale |
l.morris@tx.rr.com wrote:
>
> I know this subject has been discussed at some length before,but I'm
> just inquiring to find out if there was anyone that had bought their
> kit during the 1994 time frame if they received a Bill of Sale (AC
> Form 8050-2) from SkyStar and if you did, was it in the kit(big box)
> with all the other paperwork or was it mailed separately? The reason
> I asked was I can't find mine anywhere in my paperwork or old
> records. Thanks--- Leon Morris/Classic 4 Speedster/65%/Flower
> Mound,TX
Nope, and you ain't going to get one. I purchased my kit M IV Speedster
in 1992 and have the same problem. I brought it up at the builders
workshop in Dallas last year. The FAA is aware of the problems as is EAA
who suggested the solution.
Send a registered letter to Sky Star requesting the Bill of Sale. Since
the P.O. will not be able to deliver it to them. You have the evidence
that you made the expected effort to obtain the Bill of Sale. EAA says
that this is enough to satisfy the FSDO.
Regards,
Dennis M IV Speedster (not any where close to completion as you)
--
Dennis Golden
Golden Consulting Services, Inc.
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Lynn=2C What documents did you have to have to register as "built from misc
. parts"? What serial # did you use? I'm beginning to have same problem. I
sent a request to reinstate original N #. The insurance co. that paid the c
liam did not file a letter to deregister until now at my request. The claim
was paid in 2001. The FAA also wants a paper trail of sales from the orig
owner. I am the 4th owner and have a bill of sale to me but that's it as fa
r as sale documents.Pat ReillyMod 3 582 RebuildRockford=2C IL> From: lynnma
tt@jps.net> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bill of Sale> Date: Sun=2C 8 Feb 2009
18:55:22 -0500> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com> > --> Kitfox-List message p
osted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>> > Hi Leon-> When I registered m
ine...I was the 4th owner...I got nervous because > there was a misspelling
of one of the previous owner's names=2C and > there was a widow involved
=2C who had signed off her spouse's name=2C > both of which I could see mig
ht cause a lengthy delay in getting the > paperwork through. I had the "pap
er trail" all the way from the > original sales receipt from Skystar to the
last owner. I talked with > EAA and they suggested that I register it as "
built from > miscellaneous parts". They told me that this was the same as i
f the > kit were incomplete=2C which in truth it was....there was no cowl.
So I > called OK City...or whoever...and ran this by them and they said tha
t > was perfectly legit to do it that way=2C so I did. I got the completed
> registration back in 3 weeks=2C all perfectly legal.> > Lynn Matteson> Ki
tfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger> Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 605 hrs> Sensenic
h 62x46> Electroair direct-fire ignition system> New skis done and flying>
> > > > On Feb 8=2C 2009=2C at 4:11 PM=2C <l.morris@tx.rr.com> wrote:> > >
ubject has been discussed at some length before=2Cbut > > I'm just inquirin
g to find out if there was anyone that had bought > > their kit during the
1994 time frame if they received a Bill of > > Sale (AC Form 8050-2) from S
kyStar and if you did=2C was it in the kit > > (big box) with all the other
paperwork or was it mailed separately? > > The reason I asked was I can't
find mine anywhere in my paperwork > > or old records. Thanks--- Leon Morri
==========> > >
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I bought mine in 94 and it did not come with a bill of sale. I had to
contact the company when I completed the plane in order to get it inspected
and registered.
Mike
Series 5 NSI
N956ML
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
l.morris@tx.rr.com
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Bill of Sale
I know this subject has been discussed at some length before,but I'm just
inquiring to find out if there was anyone that had bought their kit during
the 1994 time frame if they received a Bill of Sale (AC Form 8050-2) from
SkyStar and if you did, was it in the kit(big box) with all the other
paperwork or was it mailed separately? The reason I asked was I can't find
mine anywhere in my paperwork or old records. Thanks--- Leon Morris/Classic
4 Speedster/65%/Flower Mound,TX
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of Sale |
My kit is a 2002 and I registered it this last July without a bill of sale from
Skystar. Go to the new kitfox website and download and print the explanation
of the demise of Skystar and send that in with your paperwork to the FAA with
a letter from yourself again explaining when you bought the kit and the fact
that Skystar didn't issue a bill of sale with the kit but you actually had to
request one...since they are out of business this is impossible. John's explanation
in the letter from Kitfox Aircraft does a great job and they have seen
this at least once (my case) and probably several other times. They did not even
question mine.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
UPDATE:
well I went through the system some today and was able to remove some of the
play. it seems the guy who built this plane reamed every single hole over size.
In addition there are spherical bolts that are not snug in their fittings
so I need to order a bunch of washers to tighten everything up. Can anyone go
check and tell me how much they can wiggle one flaperon control tube when the
other one is held in place? I have it down to less then 1/16" and looking at
the system I just don't believe it can get much better then that.
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Prospective Kitfox buyer
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
I think you are probably of with a maximum of 1/16 when holding one
ailreron. I think you also need to hold the stick solid and expect
the same or less wiggle.
What model of Kitfox are we talking about. I have 1100 hrs on my
Model 2 and would estimate thats about the wiggle I have.
Jim Corner
Model 2, 582,. Ivo med !FA, 1100 hrs
Model 5, 0-235 40Hrs
Calgary, AB
On 8-Feb-09, at 10:03 PM, WurlyBird wrote:
<james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
UPDATE:
well I went through the system some today and was able to remove
some of the play. it seems the guy who built this plane reamed every
single hole over size. In addition there are spherical bolts that
are not snug in their fittings so I need to order a bunch of washers
to tighten everything up. Can anyone go check and tell me how much
they can wiggle one flaperon control tube when the other one is held
in place? I have it down to less then 1/16" and looking at the
system I just don't believe it can get much better then that.
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