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1. 03:46 AM - Re: Bill of Sale (Lynn Matteson)
2. 03:51 AM - Re: Bill of Sale (Lynn Matteson)
3. 03:53 AM - Re: Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (Lynn Matteson)
4. 06:14 AM - Re: Bill of Sale (John W. Hart)
5. 06:42 AM - Operations outside US (fox5flyer)
6. 07:44 AM - Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (Tom Jones)
7. 08:22 AM - Re: Bill of Sale (Michael Gibbs)
8. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (fox5flyer)
9. 09:08 AM - Re: Operations outside US (Noel Loveys)
10. 11:56 AM - Re: Re: Bill of Sale ()
11. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (Dave G)
12. 12:45 PM - Re: Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (Bob Brennan)
13. 01:19 PM - Re: Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (Mark Scott)
14. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
15. 02:33 PM - Handpropping a 912 (kitfoxjunky@decisionlabs.com)
16. 02:44 PM - Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (815TL)
17. 03:04 PM - 815TL finaly takes to the air!! (815TL)
18. 03:24 PM - Tires for Kitfox S-7 (Rich L)
19. 03:28 PM - Re: 815TL finaly takes to the air!! (Larry Huntley)
20. 04:25 PM - Re: 815TL finaly takes to the air!! (Guy Buchanan)
21. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (Lynn Matteson)
22. 06:20 PM - Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (Tom Jones)
23. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! (Lynn Matteson)
24. 07:32 PM - Re: Handpropping a 912 (Roger Lee)
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of Sale |
I used the serial number that is stamped on the metal plate on the
plane. I filled out the proper form...can't recall what form that was
right now, but it is part of the "package" that the FSDO sent me when
I requested a "registration package." You might ask the EAA about
the "misc. parts" or "incomplete kit" method, or simply ask the
FAA...it certainly worked for me. After all, there are people who
build from scratch, and they have been able to register their aircraft.
Now that I'm thinking about it, it seems like "incomplete kit" is
sticking in my brain for some reason. Part of my thinking about the
miscellaneous parts thing is, if some of your kit is missing, you
have an incomplete kit, therefore your plane is not a "kitbuilt"
plane, it is built from miscellaneous parts.
Incidentally, in looking for copies of the paperwork that I sent
in...and could not find, because I probably never made any...I found
the pink copy of the "AC Form 8050-1" (Aircraft Registration
Application) and printed boldly across the whole thing is the
message: "OPERATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES ARE PROHIBITED BY
LAW".....for what it's worth.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Feb 8, 2009, at 7:06 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, What documents did you have to have to register as "built
> from misc. parts"? What serial # did you use? I'm beginning to have
> same problem. I sent a request to reinstate original N #. The
> insurance co. that paid the cliam did not file a letter to
> deregister until now at my request. The claim was paid in 2001. The
> FAA also wants a paper trail of sales from the orig owner. I am the
> 4th owner and have a bill of sale to me but that's it as far as
> sale documents.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
>
> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bill of Sale
> > Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 18:55:22 -0500
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > Hi Leon-
> > When I registered mine...I was the 4th owner...I got nervous because
> > there was a misspelling of one of the previous owner's names, and
> > there was a widow involved, who had signed off her spouse's name,
> > both of which I could see might cause a lengthy delay in getting the
> > paperwork through. I had the "paper trail" all the way from the
> > original sales receipt from Skystar to the last owner. I talked with
> > EAA and they suggested that I register it as "built from
> > miscellaneous parts". They told me that this was the same as if the
> > kit were incomplete, which in truth it was....there was no cowl.
> So I
> > called OK City...or whoever...and ran this by them and they said
> that
> > was perfectly legit to do it that way, so I did. I got the completed
> > registration back in 3 weeks, all perfectly legal.
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> > Sensenich 62x46
> > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > New skis done and flying
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 8, 2009, at 4:11 PM, <l.morris@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I know this subject has been discussed at some length before,but
> > > I'm just inquiring to find out if there was anyone that had bought
> > > their kit during the 1994 time frame if they received a Bill of
> > > Sale (AC Form 8050-2) from SkyStar and if you did, was it in
> the kit
> > > (big box) with all the other paperwork or was it mailed
> separately?
> > > The reason I asked was I can't find mine anywhere in my paperwork
> > > or old records. Thanks--- Leon Morris/Classic 4 Speedster/65%/
> > > Flower Mound,TX
> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of Sale |
Another part of my "paper trail" was a receipt from Skystar Aircraft
Corp. dated Sept 20, 2002, for a kit sold Jan 31, 1994. This was
another reason for me to think this paper trail is so convoluted with
receipts dated 8 years down the road, and widows, executors, lawyers,
etc, that I went the "miscellaneous parts" route.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Feb 8, 2009, at 8:23 PM, Michael Logan wrote:
> <michael.logan@cox.net>
>
> I bought mine in 94 and it did not come with a bill of sale. I had to
> contact the company when I completed the plane in order to get it
> inspected
> and registered.
>
> Mike
> Series 5 NSI
> N956ML
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> l.morris@tx.rr.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 4:11 PM
> To: Kitfox
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Bill of Sale
>
>
> I know this subject has been discussed at some length before,but
> I'm just
> inquiring to find out if there was anyone that had bought their kit
> during
> the 1994 time frame if they received a Bill of Sale (AC Form
> 8050-2) from
> SkyStar and if you did, was it in the kit(big box) with all the other
> paperwork or was it mailed separately? The reason I asked was I
> can't find
> mine anywhere in my paperwork or old records. Thanks--- Leon Morris/
> Classic
> 4 Speedster/65%/Flower Mound,TX
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
What the hell is a spherical bolt?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:03 AM, WurlyBird wrote:
> <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
> UPDATE:
> well I went through the system some today and was able to remove
> some of the play. it seems the guy who built this plane reamed
> every single hole over size. In addition there are spherical bolts
> that are not snug in their fittings so I need to order a bunch of
> washers to tighten everything up. Can anyone go check and tell me
> how much they can wiggle one flaperon control tube when the other
> one is held in place? I have it down to less then 1/16" and
> looking at the system I just don't believe it can get much better
> then that.
>
> --------
> Prospective Kitfox buyer
> Here for information on airframes and engines
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229299#229299
>
>
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Volume 5 AIRMAN CERTIFICATION
CHAPTER 5 Title 14 CFR PART 65-AIRMEN OTHER THAN FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS has an
exception to the statement about "Operations outside of the United States"
for operations in Canada. There is a reciprocal agreement also for Canadian
Amateur built aircraft to operate in the US.
http://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/8900.1/v05%20airman%20cert/chapter%2005/05_005_00
5rev1.htm
Transport Canada has an online letter to print and carry aboard a US amateur
built aircraft while operating in Canadian Airspace. URL:
http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/sfa/media/tcauth.pdf
FAA also Has such a letter for Canadian Registered Amateur built aircraft.
URL:
http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/sfa/media/amateur.pdf
Operations of LSA by Sport pilot certificate holders ARE NOT covered by
these exceptions.
John Hart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:45 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bill of Sale
I used the serial number that is stamped on the metal plate on the
plane. I filled out the proper form...can't recall what form that was
right now, but it is part of the "package" that the FSDO sent me when
I requested a "registration package." You might ask the EAA about
the "misc. parts" or "incomplete kit" method, or simply ask the
FAA...it certainly worked for me. After all, there are people who
build from scratch, and they have been able to register their aircraft.
Now that I'm thinking about it, it seems like "incomplete kit" is
sticking in my brain for some reason. Part of my thinking about the
miscellaneous parts thing is, if some of your kit is missing, you
have an incomplete kit, therefore your plane is not a "kitbuilt"
plane, it is built from miscellaneous parts.
Incidentally, in looking for copies of the paperwork that I sent
in...and could not find, because I probably never made any...I found
the pink copy of the "AC Form 8050-1" (Aircraft Registration
Application) and printed boldly across the whole thing is the
message: "OPERATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES ARE PROHIBITED BY
LAW".....for what it's worth.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
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| Subject: | Operations outside US |
Good post, John.
Thanks,
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Hart" <helili@chahtatushka.net>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Bill of Sale
> <helili@chahtatushka.net>
>
> Volume 5 AIRMAN CERTIFICATION
> CHAPTER 5 Title 14 CFR PART 65-AIRMEN OTHER THAN FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS has
> an
> exception to the statement about "Operations outside of the United States"
> for operations in Canada. There is a reciprocal agreement also for
> Canadian
> Amateur built aircraft to operate in the US.
> http://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/8900.1/v05%20airman%20cert/chapter%2005/05_005_00
> 5rev1.htm
>
> Transport Canada has an online letter to print and carry aboard a US
> amateur
> built aircraft while operating in Canadian Airspace. URL:
> http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/sfa/media/tcauth.pdf
>
> FAA also Has such a letter for Canadian Registered Amateur built aircraft.
> URL:
> http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/sfa/media/amateur.pdf
>
> Operations of LSA by Sport pilot certificate holders ARE NOT covered by
> these exceptions.
>
>
> John Hart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:45 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bill of Sale
>
>
> I used the serial number that is stamped on the metal plate on the
> plane. I filled out the proper form...can't recall what form that was
> right now, but it is part of the "package" that the FSDO sent me when
> I requested a "registration package." You might ask the EAA about
> the "misc. parts" or "incomplete kit" method, or simply ask the
> FAA...it certainly worked for me. After all, there are people who
> build from scratch, and they have been able to register their aircraft.
> Now that I'm thinking about it, it seems like "incomplete kit" is
> sticking in my brain for some reason. Part of my thinking about the
> miscellaneous parts thing is, if some of your kit is missing, you
> have an incomplete kit, therefore your plane is not a "kitbuilt"
> plane, it is built from miscellaneous parts.
>
> Incidentally, in looking for copies of the paperwork that I sent
> in...and could not find, because I probably never made any...I found
> the pink copy of the "AC Form 8050-1" (Aircraft Registration
> Application) and printed boldly across the whole thing is the
> message: "OPERATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES ARE PROHIBITED BY
> LAW".....for what it's worth.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
> UPDATE:
> well I went through the system some today and was able to remove some of the
play. it seems the guy who built this plane reamed every single hole over size.
In addition there are spherical bolts that are not snug in their fittings so
I need to order a bunch of washers to tighten everything up. Can anyone go check
and tell me how much they can wiggle one flaperon control tube when the other
one is held in place? I have it down to less then 1/16" and looking at the
system I just don't believe it can get much better then that.
james, My kitfox has the the wings folded so the flaperons are disconnected right
now. Pulling up and down on both flaperon control tubes I can feel a slight
amount of slop but it is not enough to measure. I actually can't see the movement
just feet it slightly. Now this is a Classic 4 so the comparison may be
apples to oranges.
You mention spherical bolts. Is that another name for rod ends? If so, I don't
exactly follow how a sloppy one could be tightened up by adding washers. The
control rods do need to rotate back and forth slightly in the attachments.
Don't try to use washers to stop the rotation of the double rod end attachment
between the stick and the aileron bell crank. It needs to rotate quite a bit
as the stick moves fore and aft. A fellow rebuilt a kitfox a while back and that
attachment broke during a test flight. I suspect that connection was installed
with too much limit in the rotation. He landed safely by the way, using
rudder to turn.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229343#229343
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>...I found the pink copy of the "AC Form 8050-1" (Aircraft
>Registration Application) and printed boldly across the whole thing
>is the message: "OPERATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES ARE
>PROHIBITED BY LAW".....for what it's worth.
Interesting. What authority does the United States have to say what
can be done outside of its jurisdiction? Where's a lawyer when you
need one? :-)
Mike G.
N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster
Phoenix, AZ
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
.
>
> Don't try to use washers to stop the rotation of the double rod end
> attachment between the stick and the aileron bell crank. It needs to
> rotate quite a bit as the stick moves fore and aft. A fellow rebuilt a
> kitfox a while back and that attachment broke during a test flight. I
> suspect that connection was installed with too much limit in the rotation.
> He landed safely by the way, using rudder to turn.
> Tom Jones
I believe there was/is some sort of bulletin on that bolt as they've been
known to fail. I'm pretty sure it was recommended to renew that bolt at
each annual.
As for the spherical bolt statement, he may have been talking about the bolt
hole being elongated. Slop can definitely lead to flutter, as can balance.
Very similar to the tailwheel shimmy problem.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
37f, sunny, and snow is melting fast!
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| Subject: | Operations outside US |
Minimum license requirement for any pilot to operate across the border is a
PPL. That includes Canadians heading south ( Snow Birds) and Americans
heading to Alaska.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:10 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Operations outside US
Good post, John.
Thanks,
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Hart" <helili@chahtatushka.net>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Bill of Sale
> <helili@chahtatushka.net>
>
> Volume 5 AIRMAN CERTIFICATION
> CHAPTER 5 Title 14 CFR PART 65-AIRMEN OTHER THAN FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS has
> an
> exception to the statement about "Operations outside of the United States"
> for operations in Canada. There is a reciprocal agreement also for
> Canadian
> Amateur built aircraft to operate in the US.
>
http://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/8900.1/v05%20airman%20cert/chapter%2005/05_005_00
> 5rev1.htm
>
> Transport Canada has an online letter to print and carry aboard a US
> amateur
> built aircraft while operating in Canadian Airspace. URL:
> http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/sfa/media/tcauth.pdf
>
> FAA also Has such a letter for Canadian Registered Amateur built aircraft.
> URL:
> http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/sfa/media/amateur.pdf
>
> Operations of LSA by Sport pilot certificate holders ARE NOT covered by
> these exceptions.
>
>
> John Hart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:45 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bill of Sale
>
>
> I used the serial number that is stamped on the metal plate on the
> plane. I filled out the proper form...can't recall what form that was
> right now, but it is part of the "package" that the FSDO sent me when
> I requested a "registration package." You might ask the EAA about
> the "misc. parts" or "incomplete kit" method, or simply ask the
> FAA...it certainly worked for me. After all, there are people who
> build from scratch, and they have been able to register their aircraft.
> Now that I'm thinking about it, it seems like "incomplete kit" is
> sticking in my brain for some reason. Part of my thinking about the
> miscellaneous parts thing is, if some of your kit is missing, you
> have an incomplete kit, therefore your plane is not a "kitbuilt"
> plane, it is built from miscellaneous parts.
>
> Incidentally, in looking for copies of the paperwork that I sent
> in...and could not find, because I probably never made any...I found
> the pink copy of the "AC Form 8050-1" (Aircraft Registration
> Application) and printed boldly across the whole thing is the
> message: "OPERATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES ARE PROHIBITED BY
> LAW".....for what it's worth.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bill of Sale |
All of your ideas and thoughts sound good and legit and I guess it's down to
which way do you want to persue it. I could probably go downtown Dallas and get
the guy on the street corner selling passports to give me a bill of sale. Will
probably try Darin's idea first. Leon Morris/Classic 4 Speedster/65%/Flower
Mound,TX
---- darinh <gerns25@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> My kit is a 2002 and I registered it this last July without a bill of sale from
Skystar. Go to the new kitfox website and download and print the explanation
of the demise of Skystar and send that in with your paperwork to the FAA with
a letter from yourself again explaining when you bought the kit and the fact
that Skystar didn't issue a bill of sale with the kit but you actually had to
request one...since they are out of business this is impossible. John's explanation
in the letter from Kitfox Aircraft does a great job and they have seen
this at least once (my case) and probably several other times. They did not
even question mine.
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7
> 914 Turbo
> Kaysville, Utah
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229297#229297
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
I figured they were referring to heim joints.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? !
>
> What the hell is a spherical bolt?
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
>
> On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:03 AM, WurlyBird wrote:
>
>> <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>>
>> UPDATE:
>> well I went through the system some today and was able to remove
>> some of the play. it seems the guy who built this plane reamed
>> every single hole over size. In addition there are spherical bolts
>> that are not snug in their fittings so I need to order a bunch of
>> washers to tighten everything up. Can anyone go check and tell me
>> how much they can wiggle one flaperon control tube when the other
>> one is held in place? I have it down to less then 1/16" and
>> looking at the system I just don't believe it can get much better
>> then that.
>>
>> --------
>> Prospective Kitfox buyer
>> Here for information on airframes and engines
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229299#229299
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
What the hell are heim joints??
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G
Sent: 09 February 2009 3:04 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? !
I figured they were referring to heim joints.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? !
>
> What the hell is a spherical bolt?
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
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> On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:03 AM, WurlyBird wrote:
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>> <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
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>> UPDATE:
>> well I went through the system some today and was able to remove
>> some of the play. it seems the guy who built this plane reamed
>> every single hole over size. In addition there are spherical bolts
>> that are not snug in their fittings so I need to order a bunch of
>> washers to tighten everything up. Can anyone go check and tell me
>> how much they can wiggle one flaperon control tube when the other
>> one is held in place? I have it down to less then 1/16" and
>> looking at the system I just don't believe it can get much better
>> then that.
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>> Prospective Kitfox buyer
>> Here for information on airframes and engines
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
Think rod ends, ball and socket joint, etc.
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? !
What the hell are heim joints??
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G
Sent: 09 February 2009 3:04 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? !
I figured they were referring to heim joints.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? !
>
> What the hell is a spherical bolt?
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> New skis done and flying
> do not archive
>
>
>
> On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:03 AM, WurlyBird wrote:
>
>> <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>>
>> UPDATE:
>> well I went through the system some today and was able to remove
>> some of the play. it seems the guy who built this plane reamed
>> every single hole over size. In addition there are spherical bolts
>> that are not snug in their fittings so I need to order a bunch of
>> washers to tighten everything up. Can anyone go check and tell me
>> how much they can wiggle one flaperon control tube when the other
>> one is held in place? I have it down to less then 1/16" and
>> looking at the system I just don't believe it can get much better
>> then that.
>>
>> --------
>> Prospective Kitfox buyer
>> Here for information on airframes and engines
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229299#229299
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
On Mon, February 9, 2009 12:44 pm, Bob Brennan wrote:
>
> What the hell are heim joints??
Threaded rod ends with a greasable or or permanently lubricated ball joint.
Here's a drawing;
<http://www.igus.com/igubal/sizepresent.asp?p=KBRI>
Here's a bunch of typical ones;
<http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/N2DRVSH?PACACHE=000000084184825>
The Heim name is most familiar among hot rodders and race car enthusiasts.
<http://autorepair.about.com/library/glossary/bldef-187.htm>
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Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Handpropping a 912 |
Anyone ever do this successfully? Was looking to do some ski flying, but
spending the winter on a frozen lake with a dead battery does not seem
appealing. I think if heard of someone handpropping a 912...but never a
912s.
Any feedback?
Gary Walsh
KF IV Anphib 912S
C-GOOT
www.decisionlabs.com/kitfox
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
I had to replace 3-4 rod end links on mine as well. There was quite a bit of slack
in the controls. It fixed it right up and now it is nice and tight.
Andrew
815TL, Kitfox II, Rotax 582-C.
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| Subject: | 815TL finaly takes to the air!! |
Well, not for the first time, but for the first time with me in it as it's new
owner.
I traveled 1100miles in July to go pick it up. Then we had to replace some rod
ends, and inspect everything well. Everything seemed to be ready to go, and
starter problems cropped up. By the time I got it fixed, the weather had turned
bad, then illness set in for a couple of weeks.
I thought we were ready to go with it last weekend, when I found that I was sold
a bad used intercom, and a tach issue. A new TinyTach, and a new intercom,
and it was ready to go today.
My instructor and I flew it for about 2 hours. Did some basic turns, stalls, stuff
like that. The airplane flew well, and ran pretty good except for one slight
misfire on descent. My instructor was very pleased with how it files, and
handles.
I could not be happier to finally get it up in the air, and to start learning on
it. The feel was not all that much different than the gliders I used to fly,
if anything it required less input from the controls.
I would like to thank Larry Huntly once again for all the help he has given me
in this endeavor. Without his input, I would still be sitting on the ramp, scratching
my head.
OK, now for one question about the 582. I think we found the issue was that we
were running the engine way to rich, but I wanted to ask anyway. On the ground
it would not really smooth out till over 2500RPM. In the air at 5200RPM, it
was fine, but on descent around 4000RPM, we felt a couple of stumbles. We were
keeping the setting verry rich, as we did not want the EGT to go above 1100*.
Once on the ground again, we leaned it way out, and were able to get smooth
idle at 1900RPM.
Using the Hacman mixture control, how many turns to the left to lean it out, on
a typical day? The one EGT was reading around 1100* already, the other about
950-1000*. I did not want to get it too hot, but it may be reading a bit high.
Andrew
815TL, Kitfox II, Rotax 582-C
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| Subject: | Tires for Kitfox S-7 |
I have 6.00 x 6 tires which are wearing now and want to go to 8.00 or 8.50 X 6.
The prices range from $50 to $150 or more. Anybody know if the Carslile Turf
Glider 8.00 x 6 is OK. It is advertised on Dresser as an LSA Aircraft tire
but is only rated at 410 lbs. Any help would be appreciated.
thanks all
Rich
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| Subject: | Re: 815TL finaly takes to the air!! |
Hi Andrew,
Congratulations on your successful entry into the realm of Kitfox flying.
You are in for a whole bunch of fun. Be looking for you!! Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "815TL" <lawrenceaw@corning.com>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 6:03 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 815TL finaly takes to the air!!
>
> Well, not for the first time, but for the first time with me in it as it's
> new owner.
>
> I traveled 1100miles in July to go pick it up. Then we had to replace
> some rod ends, and inspect everything well. Everything seemed to be ready
> to go, and starter problems cropped up. By the time I got it fixed, the
> weather had turned bad, then illness set in for a couple of weeks.
>
> I thought we were ready to go with it last weekend, when I found that I
> was sold a bad used intercom, and a tach issue. A new TinyTach, and a new
> intercom, and it was ready to go today.
>
> My instructor and I flew it for about 2 hours. Did some basic turns,
> stalls, stuff like that. The airplane flew well, and ran pretty good
> except for one slight misfire on descent. My instructor was very pleased
> with how it files, and handles.
>
> I could not be happier to finally get it up in the air, and to start
> learning on it. The feel was not all that much different than the gliders
> I used to fly, if anything it required less input from the controls.
>
> I would like to thank Larry Huntly once again for all the help he has
> given me in this endeavor. Without his input, I would still be sitting on
> the ramp, scratching my head.
>
> OK, now for one question about the 582. I think we found the issue was
> that we were running the engine way to rich, but I wanted to ask anyway.
> On the ground it would not really smooth out till over 2500RPM. In the
> air at 5200RPM, it was fine, but on descent around 4000RPM, we felt a
> couple of stumbles. We were keeping the setting verry rich, as we did not
> want the EGT to go above 1100*. Once on the ground again, we leaned it
> way out, and were able to get smooth idle at 1900RPM.
>
> Using the Hacman mixture control, how many turns to the left to lean it
> out, on a typical day? The one EGT was reading around 1100* already, the
> other about 950-1000*. I did not want to get it too hot, but it may be
> reading a bit high.
>
> Andrew
> 815TL, Kitfox II, Rotax 582-C
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229439#229439
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 815TL finaly takes to the air!! |
At 03:03 PM 2/9/2009, you wrote:
>Using the Hacman mixture control, how many turns to the left to lean
>it out, on a typical day? The one EGT was reading around 1100*
>already, the other about 950-1000*. I did not want to get it too
>hot, but it may be reading a bit high.
Congratulations Andrew. Glad to see you persevered. That's a
lot of difference between the two EGT's. First thing I'd do is
reverse the sensors to see if one is reading high of if indeed one
cylinder is that much different. Assuming they're different I'd check
the plugs for a noticeable difference in color between the cylinders.
(I'd check anyway.) If different you'll want to check jetting and for
air leaks, etc.
Regarding the HACman, I don't remember how many turns it is,
but it's a bunch. I don't notice anything for at least three or four
turns, then the EGT's come up seemingly linearly until the knob
bottoms out wide-open. I get about 80F out of it.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
Heim was probably the original, or at least one of the first (and
best) of the "spherical rod end bearing" manufacturers. I just never
heard of this device called a spherical "bolt"...which, of course, it
is not...a "bolt" that is.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Bob Brennan wrote:
> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
> What the hell are heim joints??
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
..
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
> I just never
> heard of this device called a spherical "bolt"...which, of course, it
> is not...a "bolt" that is.
Lynn, you have to of been around helicopters to get the lingo.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Problem with FLUTTER ? ! ? ! |
That must be it....around 'copters, I'm clueless.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 605 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:19 PM, Tom Jones wrote:
>
>
>> I just never
>> heard of this device called a spherical "bolt"...which, of course, it
>> is not...a "bolt" that is.
>
>
> Lynn, you have to of been around helicopters to get the lingo.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229467#229467
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| Subject: | Re: Handpropping a 912 |
Do not try to hand prop a 912ULS with it's compression ratio. Like anything else.
You may get away with it or you may not. What's your hand worth to you?
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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