---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/28/09: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:57 AM - Re: Rumored TSA Directive (Ken Potter) 2. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: Gummed up Fuel Filter - Any Ideas??? (Kitfox George) 3. 11:18 AM - Re: Re: Gummed up Fuel Filter - Any Ideas??? (Vic Baker) 4. 07:42 PM - Re: Re: Gummed up Fuel Filter - Any Ideas??? (Lowell Fitt) 5. 08:45 PM - Re: Gummed up Fuel Filter - Any Ideas??? (darinh) 6. 09:01 PM - Carbmate Electronic Synchronizer (darinh) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:27 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rumored TSA Directive From: "Ken Potter" Security clearances for everyone?? It's going to be very interesting to see how this affects Oshkosh and other such events. [Shocked] [Shocked] [Shocked] -------- Ken Potter Model II, No. 483 Rotax 582, C-Box, 98% Complete C-FJKP (marks reserved) Lanark, Ontario Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=232406#232406 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:59 AM PST US From: Kitfox George Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gummed up Fuel Filter - Any Ideas??? Darin,=0A=0AI believe you live-in Utah=0A=0AOkay, you can tell I have to much time on my hands waiting for the paint to dry. I called the Provo, UT - Autzone store and if you buy the fuel line hose from their bulk roll it 's $3.99 a foot. Their-prepackaged stuff is expensive. -=0A=0AI'm done now and-will say no more. =0AGeorge =0A=0A=0ASport Model - 914 / painting =0Ado not archive =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: d arinh =0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursd ay, February 26, 2009 3:48:56 PM=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gummed up Fuel rns25@netscape.net>=0A=0AI bought some Gates fuel injection hose that is SA E30R9 spec also from a local hose supplier.- It says on the hose that it is multi-fuel compatible.- Here is a link to the Goodyear stuff.=0A=0Ahtt p://www.goodyearep.com/ProductsDetail.aspx?id=14912=0A=0AA check of Autoz one's website though shows it at $12.99 for a 5/16" x 18" piece which is cl oser to $9.00 per foot.- I paid $6 something a foot for the Gates SAE30R9 hose.- $3.99 per foot is more in line with the fuel emission hose that y our local shops sell.- But if you can get the SAE30r9 for that price your getting a great deal.=0A=0A--------=0ADarin Hawkes=0ASeries 7 =0A914 Turbo =0AKaysville, Utah=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://f orums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=232273#232273=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ============ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:50 AM PST US From: "Vic Baker" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gummed up Fuel Filter - Any Ideas??? Just found some at our local Kragen store at $4.95 per ft. (Goodyear) Vic Baker S7 912S Warp Phase 1 flight testing Carson City, Nv ----- Original Message ----- From: Kitfox George To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gummed up Fuel Filter - Any Ideas??? Darin, I believe you live in Utah Okay, you can tell I have to much time on my hands waiting for the paint to dry. I called the Provo, UT Autzone store and if you buy the fuel line hose from their bulk roll it's $3.99 a foot. Their prepackaged stuff is expensive. I'm done now and will say no more. George Sport Model - 914 / painting do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: darinh To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:48:56 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gummed up Fuel Filter - Any Ideas??? I bought some Gates fuel injection hose that is SAE30R9 spec also from a local hose supplier. It says on the hose that it is multi-fuel compatible. Here is a link to the Goodyear stuff. http://www.goodyearep.com/ProductsDetail.aspx?id=14912 A check of Autozone's 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:13 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gummed up Fuel Filter - Any Ideas??? For what it is worth. Here in California, we have fuel specifications that are very stringent - so much so that if we have a refinery problem, no other state can help with the supply. However, this does not mean that all the blends aavailable here are the same, only that they all meet the measurable standards. I suspect that the same will hold for any mil spec certified part. It must meet certain specifications, but I am personally convinced that all Mil 6000 hose does not have the exact same formulation. That one set of hose works and onother does not - at least in my mind - means that at least two different formulations meet the specification, but one handles mogas well and the other does not. I think there is too much evidence that mil 6000 is not predictably satisfactory for mogas with or without ethanol. Also keep in mind that the majority of the talk on the list regarding Mil 6000 was long before ethanol was introduced to the formula of mogas and as was mentioned, many posts on this subject are available in the archives. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Huntley" Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gummed up Fuel Filter - Any Ideas??? Clint, When a local Kitfox went down in a meadow here ,the line was cut off and it had actually swollen shut. I don't know what caused it ,but it was running mogas. I have run mogas in my Tripacer for years w/ MilSpec 6000 line and have never had any problems. I wish I knew what did it. As I remember,Don Smythe did some research,but I don't know that he reached any conclusion. Facts are : A few pieces of 6000 have swollen shut and brought down aircraft. A lot of aircraft have flown for many hrs on 6000 with no problem. As far as I know,no one knows what has caused the problem.(I somehow doubt it is alcohol),but I sure wouldn't bet on it. We know different gasolines have a variety of different additives. I have used KwikFil for years with no problem, so will probably continue,but i wouldn't bet on that being sound practice either. What line does anyone KNOW is good for both 100LL and mogas? I am in the process of rebuilding two different aircraft and would like to know. Larry Huntley Kitfox4-1200 Soob, Tripacer Lyc 160,Funk B75L Lyc GO-145, Dundee,NY ----- Original Message ----- From: Clint Bazzill To: Kitfox list Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:29 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Gummed up Fuel Filter - Any Ideas??? I use mostly Hi Octane Chevron except when I fly cross country. Put over 5,000 gal of fuel through Mil 6000. After removing portions the line, it would be difficult to tell from new. I would like a piece of that bad fuel line that I keep hearing about to test. Clint > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gummed up Fuel Filter - Any Ideas??? > From: gerns25@netscape.net > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:44:58 -0800 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > Guy, > > This is my thinking as well I know I have not run ethanol but the detergents and additives may be the issue. Clint has used the Mil6000 for 1400 hours without issue but I think he runs 100LL...I could be wrong though. > > I bought some Gates Multi-fuel fuel injection hose today that I am going to use for the 5/16" lines...the other stuff is Aeroquip. > > Thanks for the replies. > > -------- > Darin Hawkes > Series 7 > 914 Turbo > Kaysville, Utah > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=232113#232113 > > > > >====================== &g================= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 02/26/09 07:03:00 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:12 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gummed up Fuel Filter - Any Ideas??? From: "darinh" As an update...I got all the hoses replace and the filter changed out to a new clear filter and sure enough, the engine hit 5730 rpm on a static run so all is well now. I bought myself a new gadget called a Carbmate electonic carb synchronizer that is awesome...I will post a new thread and discuss my thoughts on for anyone interested. -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 914 Turbo Kaysville, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=232555#232555 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:28 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Carbmate Electronic Synchronizer From: "darinh" As some of you may have seen, I sold my CPS synchronizer kit a couple weeks ago because I wanted to upgrade to a electronic synchronizer. Well, I got to use it today and while the results are basically the same from both setups, the electronic tool was much easier to read and use. It works by comparing the vacuum readings in both intakes and displays an LED which tells you how to adjust the linkages. The electronics dampen out the piston pulses that you get on the gages so in my opinion, you get a better reading and thus better balancing. As important as balancing is, I think this tool is well worth the money spent which by the way is not much more than the CPS gage synchronizing kit. I got mine at Aircraft Spruce and they also have another one from the same company called the Synchromate II that has a few more bells and whistles but is more than twice the cost. Anyway, that is my tool recommendation for the year. -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 914 Turbo Kaysville, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=232556#232556 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.