---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/04/09: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:26 AM - Re: Engine choice (Catz631@aol.com) 2. 06:38 AM - Re: Engine choice (patrick reilly) 3. 06:42 AM - Re: Re: Ski Size (patrick reilly) 4. 07:18 AM - Re: Engine choice (Marco Menezes) 5. 08:23 AM - Re: Engine choice (Randy Daughenbaugh) 6. 09:10 AM - Header tank (Jim Feldmann) 7. 11:35 AM - Re: Engine choice (Lowell Fitt) 8. 11:42 AM - Re: Re: Ski Size (Lynn Matteson) 9. 12:22 PM - Re: Header tank (Eggstaf@aol.com) 10. 01:03 PM - Re: Engine choice (Randy Daughenbaugh) 11. 01:21 PM - Re: Header tank (Guy Buchanan) 12. 01:36 PM - Re: Engine choice (Guy Buchanan) 13. 02:25 PM - Re: Engine choice (patrick reilly) 14. 04:33 PM - Re: Gummed up Fuel Filter - Any Ideas??? (Rich L) 15. 07:14 PM - Re: Ski Size (dashwood) 16. 08:26 PM - POH - Series 5 or 7? (darinh) 17. 09:51 PM - Re: POH - Series 5 or 7? (Guy Buchanan) 18. 10:44 PM - Re: POH - Series 5 or 7? (darinh) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:50 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice Nicely said Paul ! That in a nutshell is it ! Dick Maddux Fox 4-1200 912 UL Pensacola,Fl **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:09 AM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choice Paul=2C Well I am a relatively new kid too. I bought a Model 3 a little ove r a year ago. It that had been damaged and stripped of engine and instrumen ts and disassembled. It was originally built with a 912 and everything was there for that setup including the mount. My intention was to install a 912 . But=2C I saw a 100 hr 582 firewall forward on Barnstormers. It included e verything=2C mount=2C gages=2C prop radiator=2C everything. I figured the c ost would be 1/3 to 1/4 of the 912. I should be air worthy in 2 months. It was extra work to set up for 582=2C but the engine weighs 1/2 a 912 install ation=2C I don't plan on extended cross country flights in that plane. It's for low and slow. I have alot of experience with 2 stroke motorcycle engin es and actually prefer them for dirt bike applications. Despite what others think a 2 stroke engine is just as reliable as a 4 stroke if properly main tained and aren't that harrd to maintain=2C especially one like a Rotax tha t is a proven design. Twenty years ago I owned an ultrlaight powered by a K ohler 30 horse engine ( designed for John Deere snow mobiles ) that require d no maintainance in the 70 hours we flew it over a 3 year period. It didn' t even hiccup once in that 3 years. I stand corrected=2C I think we changed spark plugs once as routine maintance. Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford=2C IL Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine choice From: darrellhaas@gmail.com Hi=2C I'm a new kid on the block and it looks like I may be able to buy a kit fox Mark IV. I am really excited and wondering what people are using for en gines and why. We all want the best bang for our bucks and hopefully I can learn from all of you why you chose your engine. Thanks for any help you ca n provide. Darrell Haas Live near Portland=2C Oregon ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:56 AM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Ski Size Lynn=2C Don't know if you are a skier=2C but that applies to downhill skiin g also. Powder skies are much wider than carving skies. do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford=2C IL > From: lynnmatt@jps.net > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Ski Size > Date: Tue=2C 3 Mar 2009 18:45:33 -0500 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > When I was digging into ski sizes=2C it *seemed* that all the skis that > I measured were built under the assumption of about 1-2 pounds of > airplane weight per square inch of ski. That's a wild --- guess=2C but > again=2C deep powdery snow requires more flotation/area=2C and hard- > packed snow needs less area=2C at least from what I've been able to > gather. > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger > Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 610 hrs > Sensenich 62x46 > Electroair direct-fire ignition system > Status: flying > > > > > On Mar 3=2C 2009=2C at 5:33 PM=2C patrick reilly wrote: > > > Len=2C We don't have knee deep powder. Never! As a matter of fact we > > don't have powder period. I'm shooting for 600 sq " per ski. But > > thanks for info. > > > > Pat Reilly > > Mod 3 582 Rebuild > > Rockford=2C IL > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:03 AM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice Darrell, - I put this spreadsheet together awhile ago when we last had this discussion . It's incomplete and prices need updating but it's a start at empirical an aylsis of the choices available. - Have fun. - Marco Menezes N99KX Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch- --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Paul Franz - Merlin GT wrote: From: Paul Franz - Merlin GT Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice On Tue, March 3, 2009 7:44 pm, Darrell Haas wrote: > Hi, > I'm a new kid on the block and it looks like I may be able to buy a > kitfox Mark IV. I am really excited and wondering what people are using for > engines and why. We all want the best bang for our bucks and hopefully I can > learn from all of you why you chose your engine. Thanks for any help you can > provide. Engine selection advice is like asking for someone to pick you a religion. You're going to have to study this issue if you don't already have an engine. Here's some things to consider. 1) Will the engine be appropriate for the type of propeller you want. For example, if the engine is only furnished and can use a wood propeller and you're definitely going to be using floats, then you might rule that engine out. 2) Economics are an important consideration. There are two parts to this - initial cost and operational cost. The two stroke engines cost less, are a little lighter but use more fuel and have more scheduled maintenance costs. 3) Weight of the installed engine, gear reduction and propeller are very important. A heavy engine is going to limit your useful load. That could greatly influen ce your engine selection. An example of a light, powerful and reliable engine well suited for a Kitfox model IV with a big selection of propellers is a Rotax 912. But th e initial investment is high but it is in the lower range of operational costs. There are several choices utilizing certified aircraft engines. These are somewhat heavier but don't require a gear reduction (redrive) and can have close to the best operational cost but they too have a fairly high initial cost. 4) Consider the most likely uses of the airplane. How you're going to fuel it mostly. If you can always fuel on your home airport you have the greatest flexibili ty but if you have to carry oil for trips and have a two stroke engine, and higher fu el consumption that would be an influence on your decision whether or not to u se a Rotax 582. 5) Consider the firewall foreward part of your kit and factory support. I'd favor a supported engine installation. It's your airplane so you can pick what you want though. 6) The weak point of some of the better auto engine conversions is the redr ive. Most of the auto engine conversions are heavier than the designed for aircraft selections. They have a lot of appeal for die-hard do-it-yourselfers though. Lots of flexibility and there is a common belief that they can achieve a lower cost of complete d installation and possibly do it without a big weight penalty. Lots of room for argument and contention here though. Because of the sensitivity of this issue, people are probably not going to go right to their conclusion which is the best engine choice. I can tell you what I cho se. I have a Rotax 914. I wanted to have a turbo charged engine for frequent over a mountain range flying and wanted light weight and a constant speed prop. Although I didn't find one of those suitable so I bought an NSI CAP. Since those have had problems on Rotax 912/914's and NSI isn't in business anymore, that would no longer be my recommendation. You might want to have something unique too, like a Rotec radial. You might also consider the dealer support aspect of your engine purchase. You can probabl y chat with Lockwood about Rotax or John McBean from Kitfox about engines, what kind of support and costs. One thing for sure, making the choice will be a fun process but will requir e some effort to get the best result for your needs. -- Paul A. Franz Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP Bellevue WA 425.241.1618 Cell =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:28 AM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choice I agree Paul! Well said! Now I know where to go when I need help picking a religion. Randy Series 5/7, 912S (the best choice!) Warpdrive taper tip _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catz631@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:26 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice Nicely said Paul ! That in a nutshell is it ! Dick Maddux Fox 4-1200 912 UL Pensacola,Fl _____ Need a job? Find employment help in your area. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:31 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Header tank From: "Jim Feldmann" I have the wing tanks with one gallon header tank behind the seats. I would like to have more than 15 minutes of fuel after the light comes on. Has anyone come up with a larger header tank/low fuel warning system? I am thinking of adding another standard header tank back to back with the original (plumbed in parallel). Any thoughts on that? Thanks -------- Jim Feldmann, 3rd owner 1994 Kitfox IV Speedster / 912 Down for engine work Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233158#233158 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:19 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice Great resource Marko. I have one observation, however. Of course flying behind a Rotax 912 UL for 900 hours before losing that airplane in a forced landing, that is the first place I looked on the spreadsheet. What caught my eye was the fuel consumption and a fairly large factor in the cost per hour. I kept a spread sheet for about the first four years tracking fuel per hour consumption and for that period it averaged 2.2 gallons per hour. That figure along with a flight, probably in 2002 or 3 when a group of six flew from Rancho Murietta, CA to Winnemucca, NV on our way to exlporing the Idaho back country. The flight was right at three hours (three hours and about 20 minutes as my flight path took me from Cameron Park to Rancho Murietta) and I topped up in Winnemucca taking 7.7 gallons. Others in the group took as much as 11 gallons, a little over half of what shows for fuel gph on the spead sheet. Keep in mind that the typical Kitfox flying around the patch is not in full power settings but a small fraction of the time. I guess the point is that the religion analogy is a very good one. There is a lot of belief and opinion factored into the equation and hard facts (at least universally accepted ones) are pretty hard to come by. I have beliefs based on some experience and observation and they move me back to the 912 UL like I had. I am sure other opinions will vary. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco Menezes" Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice Darrell, I put this spreadsheet together awhile ago when we last had this discussion. It's incomplete and prices need updating but it's a start at empirical anaylsis of the choices available. Have fun. Marco Menezes N99KX Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Paul Franz - Merlin GT wrote: From: Paul Franz - Merlin GT Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice On Tue, March 3, 2009 7:44 pm, Darrell Haas wrote: > Hi, > I'm a new kid on the block and it looks like I may be able to buy a > kitfox Mark IV. I am really excited and wondering what people are using for > engines and why. We all want the best bang for our bucks and hopefully I can > learn from all of you why you chose your engine. Thanks for any help you can > provide. Engine selection advice is like asking for someone to pick you a religion. You're going to have to study this issue if you don't already have an engine. Here's some things to consider. 1) Will the engine be appropriate for the type of propeller you want. For example, if the engine is only furnished and can use a wood propeller and you're definitely going to be using floats, then you might rule that engine out. 2) Economics are an important consideration. There are two parts to this - initial cost and operational cost. The two stroke engines cost less, are a little lighter but use more fuel and have more scheduled maintenance costs. 3) Weight of the installed engine, gear reduction and propeller are very important. A heavy engine is going to limit your useful load. That could greatly influence your engine selection. An example of a light, powerful and reliable engine well suited for a Kitfox model IV with a big selection of propellers is a Rotax 912. But the initial investment is high but it is in the lower range of operational costs. There are several choices utilizing certified aircraft engines. These are somewhat heavier but don't require a gear reduction (redrive) and can have close to the best operational cost but they too have a fairly high initial cost. 4) Consider the most likely uses of the airplane. How you're going to fuel it mostly. If you can always fuel on your home airport you have the greatest flexibility but if you have to carry oil for trips and have a two stroke engine, and higher fuel consumption that would be an influence on your decision whether or not to use a Rotax 582. 5) Consider the firewall foreward part of your kit and factory support. I'd favor a supported engine installation. It's your airplane so you can pick what you want though. 6) The weak point of some of the better auto engine conversions is the redrive. Most of the auto engine conversions are heavier than the designed for aircraft selections. They have a lot of appeal for die-hard do-it-yourselfers though. Lots of flexibility and there is a common belief that they can achieve a lower cost of completed installation and possibly do it without a big weight penalty. Lots of room for argument and contention here though. Because of the sensitivity of this issue, people are probably not going to go right to their conclusion which is the best engine choice. I can tell you what I chose. I have a Rotax 914. I wanted to have a turbo charged engine for frequent over a mountain range flying and wanted light weight and a constant speed prop. Although I didn't find one of those suitable so I bought an NSI CAP. Since those have had problems on Rotax 912/914's and NSI isn't in business anymore, that would no longer be my recommendation. You might want to have something unique too, like a Rotec radial. You might also consider the dealer support aspect of your engine purchase. You can probably chat with Lockwood about Rotax or John McBean from Kitfox about engines, what kind of support and costs. One thing for sure, making the choice will be a fun process but will require some effort to get the best result for your needs. -- Paul A. Franz Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP Bellevue WA 425.241.1618 Cell ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:42:06 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Ski Size I haven't skied in 20 years, and haven't kept up with that sport, but what you say sounds right. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 610 hrs Sensenich 62x46 Electroair direct-fire ignition system Status: flying do not archive On Mar 4, 2009, at 9:40 AM, patrick reilly wrote: > Lynn, Don't know if you are a skier, but that applies to downhill > skiing also. Powder skies are much wider than carving skies. > > do not archive > Pat Reilly > Mod 3 582 Rebuild > Rockford, IL > > > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Ski Size > > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:45:33 -0500 > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > > > > When I was digging into ski sizes, it *seemed* that all the skis > that > > I measured were built under the assumption of about 1-2 pounds of > > airplane weight per square inch of ski. That's a wild --- guess, but > > again, deep powdery snow requires more flotation/area, and hard- > > packed snow needs less area, at least from what I've been able to > > gather. > > > > Lynn Matteson > > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger > > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 610 hrs > > Sensenich 62x46 > > Electroair direct-fire ignition system > > Status: flying > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 3, 2009, at 5:33 PM, patrick reilly wrote: > > > > > Len, We don't have knee deep powder. Never! As a matter of fact we > > > don't have powder period. I'm shooting for 600 sq " per ski. But > > > thanks for info. > > > > > > Pat Reilly > > > Mod 3 582 Rebuil= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, > Chat, FAQ, > &g=== > > > > > > > ============================================================ _- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:43 PM PST US From: Eggstaf@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Header tank Be careful if using ethanol gas. It melted the optical low fuel sensor in my header tank. Fuel all over the place! I now only use avgas with TCP added. Lloyd Eggstaff Hawaii Vixen N100VX Rotax 100 Horse **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:52 PM PST US From: "Randy Daughenbaugh" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choice Lowell, I sure agree that the 912 engines are thrifty. When I had a wrong propeller on my 912S early on, fuel burn was averaging under 3 gph. Now with a better propeller (108 - 110 mph cruise versus 95 mph) the average is now closer to 3.5 gph when going somewhere. Like you say, when just out to check the sights or enjoy the evening, fuel burn is much lower. I usually fly at about 5-6,000' - my strip is at 4400'. I don't know if that affects my burn rate. I love that engine. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice Great resource Marko. I have one observation, however. Of course flying behind a Rotax 912 UL for 900 hours before losing that airplane in a forced landing, that is the first place I looked on the spreadsheet. What caught my eye was the fuel consumption and a fairly large factor in the cost per hour. I kept a spread sheet for about the first four years tracking fuel per hour consumption and for that period it averaged 2.2 gallons per hour. That figure along with a flight, probably in 2002 or 3 when a group of six flew from Rancho Murietta, CA to Winnemucca, NV on our way to exlporing the Idaho back country. The flight was right at three hours (three hours and about 20 minutes as my flight path took me from Cameron Park to Rancho Murietta) and I topped up in Winnemucca taking 7.7 gallons. Others in the group took as much as 11 gallons, a little over half of what shows for fuel gph on the spead sheet. Keep in mind that the typical Kitfox flying around the patch is not in full power settings but a small fraction of the time. I guess the point is that the religion analogy is a very good one. There is a lot of belief and opinion factored into the equation and hard facts (at least universally accepted ones) are pretty hard to come by. I have beliefs based on some experience and observation and they move me back to the 912 UL like I had. I am sure other opinions will vary. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco Menezes" Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice Darrell, I put this spreadsheet together awhile ago when we last had this discussion. It's incomplete and prices need updating but it's a start at empirical anaylsis of the choices available. Have fun. Marco Menezes N99KX Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Paul Franz - Merlin GT wrote: From: Paul Franz - Merlin GT Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice On Tue, March 3, 2009 7:44 pm, Darrell Haas wrote: > Hi, > I'm a new kid on the block and it looks like I may be able to buy a > kitfox Mark IV. I am really excited and wondering what people are using for > engines and why. We all want the best bang for our bucks and hopefully I can > learn from all of you why you chose your engine. Thanks for any help you can > provide. Engine selection advice is like asking for someone to pick you a religion. You're going to have to study this issue if you don't already have an engine. Here's some things to consider. 1) Will the engine be appropriate for the type of propeller you want. For example, if the engine is only furnished and can use a wood propeller and you're definitely going to be using floats, then you might rule that engine out. 2) Economics are an important consideration. There are two parts to this - initial cost and operational cost. The two stroke engines cost less, are a little lighter but use more fuel and have more scheduled maintenance costs. 3) Weight of the installed engine, gear reduction and propeller are very important. A heavy engine is going to limit your useful load. That could greatly influence your engine selection. An example of a light, powerful and reliable engine well suited for a Kitfox model IV with a big selection of propellers is a Rotax 912. But the initial investment is high but it is in the lower range of operational costs. There are several choices utilizing certified aircraft engines. These are somewhat heavier but don't require a gear reduction (redrive) and can have close to the best operational cost but they too have a fairly high initial cost. 4) Consider the most likely uses of the airplane. How you're going to fuel it mostly. If you can always fuel on your home airport you have the greatest flexibility but if you have to carry oil for trips and have a two stroke engine, and higher fuel consumption that would be an influence on your decision whether or not to use a Rotax 582. 5) Consider the firewall foreward part of your kit and factory support. I'd favor a supported engine installation. It's your airplane so you can pick what you want though. 6) The weak point of some of the better auto engine conversions is the redrive. Most of the auto engine conversions are heavier than the designed for aircraft selections. They have a lot of appeal for die-hard do-it-yourselfers though. Lots of flexibility and there is a common belief that they can achieve a lower cost of completed installation and possibly do it without a big weight penalty. Lots of room for argument and contention here though. Because of the sensitivity of this issue, people are probably not going to go right to their conclusion which is the best engine choice. I can tell you what I chose. I have a Rotax 914. I wanted to have a turbo charged engine for frequent over a mountain range flying and wanted light weight and a constant speed prop. Although I didn't find one of those suitable so I bought an NSI CAP. Since those have had problems on Rotax 912/914's and NSI isn't in business anymore, that would no longer be my recommendation. You might want to have something unique too, like a Rotec radial. You might also consider the dealer support aspect of your engine purchase. You can probably chat with Lockwood about Rotax or John McBean from Kitfox about engines, what kind of support and costs. One thing for sure, making the choice will be a fun process but will require some effort to get the best result for your needs. -- Paul A. Franz Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP Bellevue WA 425.241.1618 Cell ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:12 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Header tank At 09:09 AM 3/4/2009, you wrote: >I have the wing tanks with one gallon header tank behind the >seats. I would like to have more than 15 minutes of fuel after the >light comes on. Has anyone come up with a larger header tank/low >fuel warning system? Murle's got one: http://sonoragraphics.com/williamsaviation/headertank.html He's also got low-fuel warning systems, but I'd go with Lowell's (http://www.highwingllc.com/lowfuel.html) as some of the local folk had problems with Murle's. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 300 hrs. and counting ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:28 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice At 07:44 PM 3/3/2009, you wrote: > I'm a new kid on the block and it looks like I may be able to > buy a kitfox Mark IV. I am really excited and wondering what people > are using for engines and why. We all want the best bang for our > bucks and hopefully I can learn from all of you why you chose your engine. I run a 582 C box with a 70" Warp 3 blade on a Kitfox IV-1200. Pro: * Light. (To pull the engine I unbolt it, pick it up by hand, and set it on a bench. Try THAT with any other engine.) * Really, REALLY, easy to work on. * Quiet. * Reliable. (So far.) * Swings a big prop very slowly. (More thrust.) * Very cheap to buy. * Can change gear ratios for an amazing array of prop options. * Super easy to start. (Like a snowmobile.) * No need to pre-heat. (Like a snowmobile.) Con: * Higher fuel burn. (4.5 gph @ cruise.) * Vibration. (2 cylinder typical.) * Higher acoustic pitch. (Not for the manly man.) * Very low TBO. (300 hours, though the folks in South Africa have some studies indicating much higher numbers are appropriate, and have increased their TBO to 600 hours.) * Parts are expensive, relative to auto. * It burns oil, so if you're going just about anywhere you have to carry all the oil you're going to use for that trip, or stage it accordingly. Interestingly this seriously degrades any weight reduction normally attributed to the motor. * Low permanent magnet alternator output. (12 amps continuous.) * Great care required in operation to keep EGT's in line. (No big deal with a mixture control and a little experience, but you do have to be careful.) I've been very happy with mine, but will eventually switch to either a 912 or a diesel. I do lots of cross countries and am tired of carrying oil instead of passengers. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 300 hrs. and counting ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:22 PM PST US From: patrick reilly Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choice What religion you pick doesn't matter much. Picking an engine does! do not archive Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford=2C IL From: rjdaugh@rapidnet.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Engine choice I agree Paul! Well said! Now I know where to go when I need help picking a religion. Randy Series 5/7=2C 912S (the best choice!) Warpdrive taper tip From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catz631@aol.com Sent: Wednesday=2C March 04=2C 2009 5:26 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine choice Nicely said Paul ! That in a nutshell is it ! Dick Maddux Fox 4-1200 912 UL Pensacola=2CFl Need a job? Find employment help in your area. - The Kitfox-List Email Forum ---> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle=2C List Admin. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:21 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gummed up Fuel Filter - Any Ideas??? From: "Rich L" Thank you Darin for your timely posting on fuel lines. Because of you and another kitfox owner who said he changes his fuel lines every two years, I decided to change mine out. Here is what I found. I had a mix of 30R7, 6000, and Gates CS091206 C200??? From the wing tanks to the header, I had Tygon B44-4. I have 316 hours since DAR in August 07. All the lines seemed ok except for the Tygon. It was about 3/4 the size of the new Tygon I had and really brown and brittle. It actually cracked when I tried to straighten it out. I have only run 91 octane non ethanol fuel. I have replaced all the lines with Goodyear 30R9 at $5 a foot but I feel its worth it. Here is the Goodyear site with some good words on the stuff. http://www.goodyearep.com/ProductsDetail.aspx?id=5144 Thanks for the heads up. Rich L Kitfox S-7, 912uls Bonners Ferry,IDAHO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233250#233250 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:03 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Ski Size From: "dashwood" hello lynn: its odd that you guys are talking about my skis. i got some of my inspiration from looking at the picture posts of yours. The originals idea came from robert nelson in the zenair .com posts of skis. www.zenithair.com/stolch701/7- photo81.html His are of the blue 701 at the top and about 2/3 down the list. I emailed him for info and he supplied me with some spec and more pics. .some others on the site show a guy standing on his skies so i got some relative sizes from that. I was just winging it as to the sizes. the pictures are just after traversing a 6' deep snowdrift. The plane sank about 8" but was able to hold the nw higher with rpm and backstick. I walked back through the same drift and sank past my knees. My size 12'vs couldnt hold up the 200lb hulk.there is a fair amout to cheese slicing and the wheels protrude about 2". the home field is grass with many short hops to pavement so i wanted both. yes the other pic is of the nw ski under construction detailing the machined pivot separate from the nw axle....including pavers in the hanger Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233289#233289 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:53 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: POH - Series 5 or 7? From: "darinh" Does anyone have a POH they have put together that I can steal and modify with my numbers from my test flying? I am not good at putting my info together into a form that makes sense so I was hoping someone more gifted than myself had one I could pirate as a template. -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 914 Turbo Kaysville, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233293#233293 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:18 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: POH - Series 5 or 7? At 08:25 PM 3/4/2009, you wrote: >Does anyone have a POH they have put together that I can steal and >modify with my numbers from my test flying? I am not good at >putting my info together into a form that makes sense so I was >hoping someone more gifted than myself had one I could pirate as a template. John at Kitfox should have PoH's that are nice ring bound units, about 5 x 7", with blanks for your performance information. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 300 hrs. and counting ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:07 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: POH - Series 5 or 7? From: "darinh" Thanks Guy, I didn't even think about that. 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