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1. 05:17 AM - Re:gear weight (Catz631@AOL.COM)
2. 05:22 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (Catz631@aol.com)
3. 05:35 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (Catz631@AOL.COM)
4. 05:40 AM - Re: Fuel Flow DisplayFuel Flow Display (Catz631@aol.com)
5. 09:12 AM - Re: Re:gear weight (fox5flyer)
6. 10:29 AM - Re: Re:gear weight (Lynn Matteson)
7. 11:20 AM - Rectifier to battery connection question. (Dave G)
8. 12:34 PM - Re: Rectifier to battery connection question. (Dave G)
9. 01:23 PM - Re: Rectifier to battery connection question. (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
10. 01:36 PM - Re: Rectifier to battery connection question. (Dave G)
11. 01:42 PM - Re: Rectifier to battery connection question. (Dave G)
12. 01:46 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (SkySteve)
13. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Display (Lynn Matteson)
14. 04:03 PM - Re: Re:gear weight (lkc@juno.com)
15. 09:05 PM - Re: Rectifier to battery connection question. (Lowell Fitt)
16. 09:40 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Display (Andy Fultz)
17. 10:42 PM - Re: Re:gear weight (Lowell Fitt)
18. 10:44 PM - Ferry Flight (John Allen)
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Deke,
It just so happens that I weighed my original gear yesterday as I am getting
ready to sell it on EBAY and need to find out what the shipping will be to
put in my auction.
The gear legs weighed 16 lbs for the pair and the "Kingfox
"tires,wheels,Matco brakes and axles weighed roughly 18 lbs each (not selling those).
So we
have a total of 52 lbs plus maybe 1/2 lb of bolts for the standard gear. That
will give you a ball park figure for your curiosity.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
Steve,
My sending unit is attached right side up in accordance with the marked
arrow on the unit for fuel flow. I don't know how it will work upside down. You
will probably get much better gas mileage then I do (in fact making fuel).
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
Steve,
I didn't read far enough in the posts.You do have it installed correctly.
The unit works well after you get it calibrated. The buttons don't work all that
well and it is kind of a pain but doable.
Dick Maddux
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow DisplayFuel Flow Display |
Noel,
Here is a picture of my oil cooler. I have Lowell's shutters attached to the
front of the cooler which I use for temp regulation. This is a file picture
taken awhile back .If you need more,let me know.
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Thanks. I think there was more than one type of gear sold by Grove for
the Kitfox and I'm finding out that the S5 gear was much different than
the IV. Mine is one continuous gear that is about a 1.25" thick on the
cross piece under the belly and it's also significantly taller than the
IV gear. Not two pieces. Also, I have all Cleveland wheel hardware.
After having looked at a IV gear recently, mine is noticeably heavier
looking and also by the scales. Gross weight of the 5 is 1550lbs which,
I assume, requires a larger and heavier gear. It came with the airplane
package so I was stuck with it. If I'd had any idea before the purchase
how heavy it was I'd have gone with the tube gear. One thing I can
attest to though is that it will definitely soak up some bad landings so
I'm not in any rush to change it just to save a few lbs.
Lowell's gear looks to be the perfect setup for the rough ground that
mine is subjected to about 90 percent of the time. I don't recall
anyone saying what Lowells' gear weighs, all-up complete with fairings.
Anybody know? Lowell?
Deke
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From: Catz631@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:14 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re:gear weight
Deke,
It just so happens that I weighed my original gear yesterday as I am
getting ready to sell it on EBAY and need to find out what the shipping
will be to put in my auction.
The gear legs weighed 16 lbs for the pair and the "Kingfox
"tires,wheels,Matco brakes and axles weighed roughly 18 lbs each (not
selling those). So we have a total of 52 lbs plus maybe 1/2 lb of bolts
for the standard gear. That will give you a ball park figure for your
curiosity.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Pensacola,Fl
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Deke-
I got curious about the weight of my Grove gear...model IV
'fox....and went to their site....24.3 lbs for the 3 and 4, 34.3 lbs
for the 5,6, and 7. Calc out the old tube gear and the weight gain is
minimal on the 3 and 4. Can't say about the 5,6, and 7, because I
don't have the old stuff to heft/weigh. When I was building mine, and
learning to fly at the same time, I saw (in Grove) a wider gear and
stronger, and didn't give it a second thought, because I knew
eventually I'd make a bad landing....and that didn't take long! : )
Given Dick's post of 16 lbs for the old tubes, I gained 8.3 lbs for
the added insurance of a wider, stronger gear, and I'll pay that
weight penalty any day.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 610 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Mar 7, 2009, at 12:11 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
> Thanks. I think there was more than one type of gear sold by Grove
> for the Kitfox and I'm finding out that the S5 gear was much
> different than the IV. Mine is one continuous gear that is about a
> 1.25" thick on the cross piece under the belly and it's also
> significantly taller than the IV gear. Not two pieces. Also, I
> have all Cleveland wheel hardware. After having looked at a IV
> gear recently, mine is noticeably heavier looking and also by the
> scales. Gross weight of the 5 is 1550lbs which, I assume, requires
> a larger and heavier gear. It came with the airplane package so I
> was stuck with it. If I'd had any idea before the purchase how
> heavy it was I'd have gone with the tube gear. One thing I can
> attest to though is that it will definitely soak up some bad
> landings so I'm not in any rush to change it just to save a few lbs.
> Lowell's gear looks to be the perfect setup for the rough ground
> that mine is subjected to about 90 percent of the time. I don't
> recall anyone saying what Lowells' gear weighs, all-up complete
> with fairings. Anybody know? Lowell?
> Deke
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Catz631@aol.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:14 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re:gear weight
>
> Deke,
> It just so happens that I weighed my original gear yesterday as I
> am getting ready to sell it on EBAY and need to find out what the
> shipping will be to put in my auction.
> The gear legs weighed 16 lbs for the pair and the "Kingfox
> "tires,wheels,Matco brakes and axles weighed roughly 18 lbs each
> (not selling those). So we have a total of 52 lbs plus maybe 1/2 lb
> of bolts for the standard gear. That will give you a ball park
> figure for your curiosity.
> Dick Maddux
> Fox 4
> Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Rectifier to battery connection question. |
Can anyone see any reason why I can not or should not keep all the
wiring from the rectifier / regulator on the engine side of the
firewall.
I want to remove these wires currently penetrating the firewall and have
the positive side go to the battery side of the starter through a
weather tight fuse and the ground side go to the battery ground on the
engine.
This arrangement will leave the regulator attached to the battery full
time, but fused. I'm aiming for simple here folks.
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| Subject: | Re: Rectifier to battery connection question. |
Got a private reply that didn't help. Yes folks I meant the battery side
of the starter relay, not the starter.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:19 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Rectifier to battery connection question.
Can anyone see any reason why I can not or should not keep all the
wiring from the rectifier / regulator on the engine side of the
firewall.
I want to remove these wires currently penetrating the firewall and
have the positive side go to the battery side of the starter through a
weather tight fuse and the ground side go to the battery ground on the
engine.
This arrangement will leave the regulator attached to the battery full
time, but fused. I'm aiming for simple here folks.
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| Subject: | Re: Rectifier to battery connection question. |
On Sat, March 7, 2009 11:19 am, Dave G wrote:
> This arrangement will leave the regulator attached to the battery full time,
but
> fused. I'm aiming for simple here folks.
You really would benefit posting this to the aeroelectric list.
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=3>
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Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Rectifier to battery connection question. |
I have read the book, and have used some of what Mr Nicholls has to say. I
have no interest in redundant buses and backup such and such. I'm not after
building an IFR aircraft. Think of it more as how little wiring can I exist
with in a modern world.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rectifier to battery connection question.
> <paul@eucleides.com>
>
> On Sat, March 7, 2009 11:19 am, Dave G wrote:
>
>> This arrangement will leave the regulator attached to the battery full
>> time, but
>> fused. I'm aiming for simple here folks.
>
> You really would benefit posting this to the aeroelectric list.
>
> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=3>
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rectifier to battery connection question. |
Sorry, my reply looks a little harsh in retrospect. The folks on the
Aerolectric list do tend to get a little carried away with themselves at
times. Simple doesna;t get a lot of airtime over there from what I've seen.
I do appreciate the response though.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rectifier to battery connection question.
> <paul@eucleides.com>
>
> On Sat, March 7, 2009 11:19 am, Dave G wrote:
>
>> This arrangement will leave the regulator attached to the battery full
>> time, but
>> fused. I'm aiming for simple here folks.
>
> You really would benefit posting this to the aeroelectric list.
>
> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=3>
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
Have you found a good (ready easy) way to calibrate the fuel meter? I did read
the instructions and figured I'll have to fill both wing tanks, fly for awhile,
then drain the wing tanks and remeasure the fuel left to figure my real fuel
usage.
--------
Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox Model 1- 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
I haven't tried to calibrate mine yet...not enough hours on it, or
fuel through it to bother with yet.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 610 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Mar 7, 2009, at 4:46 PM, SkySteve wrote:
>
> Have you found a good (ready easy) way to calibrate the fuel
> meter? I did read the instructions and figured I'll have to fill
> both wing tanks, fly for awhile, then drain the wing tanks and
> remeasure the fuel left to figure my real fuel usage.
>
> --------
> Steve Wilson
> Huntsville, UT
> Kitfox Model 1- 85DD
> 912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
> Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233620#233620
>
>
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Deke... I have the same setup as you including engine... I've been learn
ing to fly in the Series5 and had the left tube gear break. Mine now ha
s the grove gear on and I'm a happy camper again. The gear weighs more
but I found a way to drop another 25 lbs of flying weight. The pilot no
w weighs 140 lbs and will probably live to fly many years longer. How m
uch time do we spend trying to save 10 lbs of aircraft weight when we ca
n just quit stuffing our face. Layne
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| Subject: | Re: Rectifier to battery connection question. |
Dave,
I understand the frustration with the aeroelectrics list. Bob used to be an
active participant of the Kitfox list and I was talked into a lot of his
stuff on my first Kitfox - example, the essential buss - and frankly never
hooked it up as I never attached the load on the charge circuit needed to
prevent frying the regulator if I were to disconnect it from the battery. A
constant load in an already stretched amp capacity concerned me.
I flew for 900 hours looking at that useless switch on my panel, explaining
it to the curious and wishing I had never put it there. Now I have the
opportunity to do it simple. I don't think in our airplanes there is only
one right way.
The only consideration I can think of with your suggested set-up is heat -
how much is too much. There is a heat sink on the regulator. In the engine
compartment, will it absorb more than it radiates.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G" <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rectifier to battery connection question.
>
> Sorry, my reply looks a little harsh in retrospect. The folks on the
> Aerolectric list do tend to get a little carried away with themselves at
> times. Simple doesna;t get a lot of airtime over there from what I've
> seen. I do appreciate the response though.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Rectifier to battery connection question.
>
>
>> <paul@eucleides.com>
>>
>> On Sat, March 7, 2009 11:19 am, Dave G wrote:
>>
>>> This arrangement will leave the regulator attached to the battery full
>>> time, but
>>> fused. I'm aiming for simple here folks.
>>
>> You really would benefit posting this to the aeroelectric list.
>>
>> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=3>
>>
>> --
>> Paul A. Franz
>> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
>> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
>> Bellevue WA
>> 425.241.1618 Cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
Steve,
Wouldn't it be much easier to top off, go fly and then top off again?
What ever you put in after the flight is what you burned isn't it?
Andy F.
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of SkySteve
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:46 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Flow Display
Have you found a good (ready easy) way to calibrate the fuel meter? I did
read the instructions and figured I'll have to fill both wing tanks, fly for
awhile, then drain the wing tanks and remeasure the fuel left to figure my
real fuel usage.
--------
Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox Model 1- 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233620#233620
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I don't know if I totally agree with the numbers.
My set of original gear (powder coated) weighs 7 lbs 15 ounces (4 lbs. and 3
lbs. 15 oz). The bungees weigh exactly a pound - just weighed them. The
(drilled) axles and axle nuts weigh 1 lb. 5 oz.. Mounting hardware comes
in at 3 oz.
Bungee gear total 10 lbs. 7 oz. Unfaired, powdercoated
Dick's bungee gear had fairings which likely explains the 16 lbs. he
measured.
The cabane gear sent to Dick came in at 17 lbs 2 oz. (bare metal) without
the fairings. The fairings added 1 lb. 13 oz with attaching screws (bare
metal as well) . Using the same axles, weight 1 lb 5 oz. and the attaching
hardware 7 oz.
Cabane Gear total 19 lbs. 11 oz. bare metal
The Grove gear is advertised as weighing 24 lbs 3 oz. But again, this is
one of the frustrating things when searching companies web sites. In an
exchange of e-mails from Grove on this subject the following is what I
received from them last July.
"Lowell
The gear weighs approx 24.3 lbs, I just weighed the brackets, mounting
hardware, and axles. this is an additional 6.5 lbs.
The price of the kit is $1590.00 which includes:
Gear
gun drilled brake lines
brackets
mounting hardware and instructions
axles
axle hardware.
The kit is complete, you will have all that you need to install the gear
using your existing wheels."
Grove total weight 30.5 lbs. (30 lbs 8oz.) Bare metal
All these gear sets are identical in configuration except for the bungee
gear being powder coated and the other two types will have varying amounts
of paint, probably not to exceed 3 or 4 ounces, I would guess.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
working on the elevator gap cuffs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re:gear weight
>
> Deke-
> I got curious about the weight of my Grove gear...model IV 'fox....and
> went to their site....24.3 lbs for the 3 and 4, 34.3 lbs for the 5,6, and
> 7. Calc out the old tube gear and the weight gain is minimal on the 3 and
> 4. Can't say about the 5,6, and 7, because I don't have the old stuff to
> heft/weigh. When I was building mine, and learning to fly at the same
> time, I saw (in Grove) a wider gear and stronger, and didn't give it a
> second thought, because I knew eventually I'd make a bad landing....and
> that didn't take long! : )
> Given Dick's post of 16 lbs for the old tubes, I gained 8.3 lbs for the
> added insurance of a wider, stronger gear, and I'll pay that weight
> penalty any day.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 610 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Status: flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Mar 7, 2009, at 12:11 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I think there was more than one type of gear sold by Grove for
>> the Kitfox and I'm finding out that the S5 gear was much different than
>> the IV. Mine is one continuous gear that is about a 1.25" thick on the
>> cross piece under the belly and it's also significantly taller than the
>> IV gear. Not two pieces. Also, I have all Cleveland wheel hardware.
>> After having looked at a IV gear recently, mine is noticeably heavier
>> looking and also by the scales. Gross weight of the 5 is 1550lbs which,
>> I assume, requires a larger and heavier gear. It came with the airplane
>> package so I was stuck with it. If I'd had any idea before the purchase
>> how heavy it was I'd have gone with the tube gear. One thing I can
>> attest to though is that it will definitely soak up some bad landings so
>> I'm not in any rush to change it just to save a few lbs.
>> Lowell's gear looks to be the perfect setup for the rough ground that
>> mine is subjected to about 90 percent of the time. I don't recall
>> anyone saying what Lowells' gear weighs, all-up complete with fairings.
>> Anybody know? Lowell?
>> Deke
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Catz631@aol.com
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:14 AM
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re:gear weight
>>
>> Deke,
>> It just so happens that I weighed my original gear yesterday as I am
>> getting ready to sell it on EBAY and need to find out what the shipping
>> will be to put in my auction.
>> The gear legs weighed 16 lbs for the pair and the "Kingfox
>> "tires,wheels,Matco brakes and axles weighed roughly 18 lbs each (not
>> selling those). So we have a total of 52 lbs plus maybe 1/2 lb of bolts
>> for the standard gear. That will give you a ball park figure for your
>> curiosity.
>> Dick Maddux
>> Fox 4
>> Pensacola,Fl
>>
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I am offering to ferry a light plane from central California to the Dallas Texas
area later this month. That could include a Kitfox (I am used to a Rotax 912)
or a taildragger without an electrical system that needs to be hand propped.
If anyone has such a need or knows of one, please contact me off-list. JA
John Allen KF 4 @ O70
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