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1. 04:55 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (Catz631@aol.com)
2. 07:29 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (akflyer)
3. 07:59 AM - Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant (Paul Morel)
4. 08:18 AM - WingTanks.com (Bob Brennan)
5. 09:05 AM - Re: WingTanks.com (fox5flyer)
6. 09:10 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (SkySteve)
7. 10:09 AM - Re: WingTanks.com (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
8. 11:04 AM - Re: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant (Lowell Fitt)
9. 11:17 AM - Re: WingTanks (jdmcbean)
10. 11:23 AM - Re: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant (jdmcbean)
11. 11:45 AM - Re: WingTanks (Bob Brennan)
12. 04:31 PM - Re: WingTanks (rawheels)
13. 05:18 PM - Re: Re: WingTanks (Bob Brennan)
14. 05:34 PM - Re: WingTanks (jdmcbean)
15. 06:39 PM - Re: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant (pmorel)
16. 06:56 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (akflyer)
17. 07:40 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Display (Lynn Matteson)
18. 08:02 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (SkySteve)
19. 08:33 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Display (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
20. 08:41 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (SkySteve)
21. 10:19 PM - Re: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant (sourdostan@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
Steve,
When I turn the master switch on in my aircraft the Northstar beeps,red
internal light comes on and it indicates GAS followed by the amount in the tanks.
The fuel flow button if pushed shows a blank as the engine is not running.
Dick Maddux
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
SkySteve wrote:
> Have you found a good (ready easy) way to calibrate the fuel meter? I did read
the instructions and figured I'll have to fill both wing tanks, fly for awhile,
then drain the wing tanks and remeasure the fuel left to figure my real fuel
usage.
I have checked my meter several times and it was close enough out of the box that
I have not felt the need to screw with it. I just filled it up with X amount
of gas, went flying for a few hours then I always drain gas out of the tanks
for trailering... What I sucked out of the tank was really dang close to what
the meter said I had remaining.
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Soldotna AK
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| Subject: | Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant |
Has anyone with already installed fiberglass fuel tanks been able to
make them ethanol fuel resistant? My tanks are installed but no fuel
has been put in them yet. (Final stages of completion) I'm running a
912 Rotax and plan on using auto fuel. The only fuel I'm able to find
in my area contains at least 10% ethanol. I know this subject of
ethanol fuel has been beaten to death. What kind of materials are
available to protect the tanks and does anyone have suggestions of how
to apply it?
Paul Morel
912 Speedster
Locust Grove, GA
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Has anyone actually dealt with these guys(http://wingtanks.com)? Recently?
Further to my thread a while ago about installing wing tanks in my KF2 I
sent off an email to the only contact info listed on their
site(sales@wingtanks.com). That was about a month ago and I re-sent it a
week ago using a more reliable email server (gmail) just in case, but still
no response.
If anyone has dealt with them in the past - how was the response, service,
support, and the items supplied? And does anyone have an alternative means
of contacting them or know if they are still in business?
Thanks in advance
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Re: WingTanks.com |
I know this isn't much help, but just the fact that they don't respond
to the email address listed on their web site speaks volumes to me.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
- Joseph Joubert
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Brennan
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 11:17 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: WingTanks.com
Has anyone actually dealt with these guys(http://wingtanks.com)?
Recently? Further to my thread a while ago about installing wing tanks
in my KF2 I sent off an email to the only contact info listed on their
site(sales@wingtanks.com). That was about a month ago and I re-sent it a
week ago using a more reliable email server (gmail) just in case, but
still no response.
If anyone has dealt with them in the past - how was the response,
service, support, and the items supplied? And does anyone have an
alternative means of contacting them or know if they are still in
business?
Thanks in advance
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
Dick,
My meter goes through the same routine as yours when I turn on the mater switch
IF it is NOT connected to the transducer. If it is connected to the transducer,
the meter does not turn on. It acts like there is a direct short either in
the 5 pin connector or in the transducer.
I have called Northstar, and listened to their music for 45 minutes, with no human
response from them. I have also sent an email, but no response from that
either.
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Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox Model 1- 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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| Subject: | Re: WingTanks.com |
On Fri, March 13, 2009 7:17 am, Bob Brennan wrote:
>
> If anyone has dealt with them in the past - how was the response, service,
> support, and the items supplied? And does anyone have an alternative means
> of contacting them or know if they are still in business?
You might try calling Airdale and ask for Brett 715-369-1343. Airdale is a reseller
for those tanks.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible
from one party of the citizens to give to the other.
-- Voltaire (1764)
A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
-- George Bernard Shaw
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| Subject: | Re: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant |
Paul,
The only thing that has had a history in these tanks is Kreem. There is
some contorversy about it largely due to it's tendency to flake off if not
put in properly prepared tanks.
First a rinse with acetone or MEK to prepare the surface, then sloshing
according to the Kreem directions. It has been suggested and, most do, to
dilute the Kreem 50% with MEK before application. Two or three quarts
should do the job on both sides.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Morel" <pmorel@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:58 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant
Has anyone with already installed fiberglass fuel tanks been able to make
them ethanol fuel resistant? My tanks are installed but no fuel has been
put in them yet. (Final stages of completion) I'm running a 912 Rotax and
plan on using auto fuel. The only fuel I'm able to find in my area contains
at least 10% ethanol. I know this subject of ethanol fuel has been beaten
to death. What kind of materials are available to protect the tanks and
does anyone have suggestions of how to apply it?
Paul Morel
912 Speedster
Locust Grove, GA
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Bob,
Those tanks have never been tested structurally and there
are several issues with the install IMHO. not to mention weight of the
install.
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant |
Paul,
KREEM is the only compound that has been used and with
varied results. There is another but we have not had the chance to test it.
It is used in many other applications and the manufacture stated that using
it in fiberglass is not a problem and it is ethanol resistant. Give me a
call if you're interested.
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Morel
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant
Has anyone with already installed fiberglass fuel tanks been able to make
them ethanol fuel resistant? My tanks are installed but no fuel has been
put in them yet. (Final stages of completion) I'm running a 912 Rotax and
plan on using auto fuel. The only fuel I'm able to find in my area contains
at least 10% ethanol. I know this subject of ethanol fuel has been beaten
to death. What kind of materials are available to protect the tanks and
does anyone have suggestions of how to apply it?
Paul Morel
912 Speedster
Locust Grove, GA
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Hi John, thanks for jumping in on this,
Checking your parts catalogue on page 54 I see that you only have 6 gallon
tanks for my model II for $440 each. My reason for perusing the
wingtanks.com tanks was that I would gain 13 gallons, which is important to
me; and apparently I would not be removing any struts, only a couple of drag
/ anti-drag tubes which look pretty weak anyway. From the pictures on their
cob-website it looks like a piece of plywood more than makes up for any
torsional loss from those tubes but I was hoping to exchange a few emails
with them on that topic.
However, since they don't respond - I assume your 6 gallon model II tanks
also fit between struts? Has anyone ever installed two 6 gallon tanks in one
wing and/or can it be done?
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: 13 March 2009 2:15 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: WingTanks
Bob,
Those tanks have never been tested structurally and there
are several issues with the install IMHO. not to mention weight of the
install.
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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matronics(at)bob.brennan. wrote:
> Checking your parts catalogue on page 54 I see that you only have 6 gallon
tanks for my model II for $440 each.
Bob, I see a 13 gal for the model II on page 54. It is the same price $440.
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Ryan Wheeler
Kitfox IV-1200
Indianapolis, IN
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Well spotted Ryan! I didn't look further down when I saw the "Model
4,5,6,etc". Obviously the larger tank will require removing structure,
especially a strut, but John McB seemed to imply that his tanks are
structurally designed and tested to do that. Hopefully he will add to this
thread to support that, in which case it may be my best option.
Has anyone else installed John's 13 gal tank in a finished Model II yet?
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rawheels
Sent: 13 March 2009 7:30 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: WingTanks
matronics(at)bob.brennan. wrote:
> Checking your parts catalogue on page 54 I see that you only have 6
gallon tanks for my model II for $440 each.
Bob, I see a 13 gal for the model II on page 54. It is the same price
$440.
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Ryan Wheeler
Kitfox IV-1200
Indianapolis, IN
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Bob,
We have both the 6 gallon and the 13 gallon. Give us a call
and I can cover the details.
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: WingTanks
Hi John, thanks for jumping in on this,
Checking your parts catalogue on page 54 I see that you only have 6 gallon
tanks for my model II for $440 each. My reason for perusing the
wingtanks.com tanks was that I would gain 13 gallons, which is important to
me; and apparently I would not be removing any struts, only a couple of drag
/ anti-drag tubes which look pretty weak anyway. From the pictures on their
cob-website it looks like a piece of plywood more than makes up for any
torsional loss from those tubes but I was hoping to exchange a few emails
with them on that topic.
However, since they don't respond - I assume your 6 gallon model II tanks
also fit between struts? Has anyone ever installed two 6 gallon tanks in one
wing and/or can it be done?
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: 13 March 2009 2:15 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: WingTanks
Bob,
Those tanks have never been tested structurally and there
are several issues with the install IMHO. not to mention weight of the
install.
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref
"http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant |
Lowell
Thanks for the info. I'm going to get a gallon of Kreem and experiment a
little with the dilution. I'll call J McBean for a price. I also found it
at JC Whitney. I have a pair of wing rotisseries I used while building the
wings that I can put back in service to coat the inside of the fuel tanks.
I thought I'd never use them again, but I guess I was wrong.
Thanks again
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant
>
> Paul,
>
> The only thing that has had a history in these tanks is Kreem. There is
> some contorversy about it largely due to it's tendency to flake off if not
> put in properly prepared tanks.
>
> First a rinse with acetone or MEK to prepare the surface, then sloshing
> according to the Kreem directions. It has been suggested and, most do, to
> dilute the Kreem 50% with MEK before application. Two or three quarts
> should do the job on both sides.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Morel" <pmorel@bellsouth.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:58 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant
>
>
> Has anyone with already installed fiberglass fuel tanks been able to make
> them ethanol fuel resistant? My tanks are installed but no fuel has been
> put in them yet. (Final stages of completion) I'm running a 912 Rotax
> and plan on using auto fuel. The only fuel I'm able to find in my area
> contains at least 10% ethanol. I know this subject of ethanol fuel has
> been beaten to death. What kind of materials are available to protect the
> tanks and does anyone have suggestions of how to apply it?
>
> Paul Morel
> 912 Speedster
> Locust Grove, GA
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
did you guys try to power up the unit without it being hooked to the ducer first?
or was it hooked to ducer, and would not power up on the initial try? Alot
of instruments don't like to have power to them without the ducer being installed.
If that was the case, and you were impatient and wanted to see what it
would do before the ducer was hooked up, you may have toasted a good instrument.
Don't know for sure if you did or not, just tossing it out there.
snake
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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
Kinda like starting the ol' engine up without a prop, eh Snake, just
to see what she sounds like? A little impatience at the wrong time
might not be a good thing.
Speaking of fuel flow, I was flying today, and even into a 10 mph
wind at about 90 mph, I was able to twist the throttle back to see
2.9 gph on my Northstar Fuel Flow meter. It's surprising how just a
little less throttle will gain so much in fuel economy.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 610 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Mar 13, 2009, at 9:55 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
> did you guys try to power up the unit without it being hooked to
> the ducer first? or was it hooked to ducer, and would not power up
> on the initial try? Alot of instruments don't like to have power
> to them without the ducer being installed. If that was the case,
> and you were impatient and wanted to see what it would do before
> the ducer was hooked up, you may have toasted a good instrument.
>
> Don't know for sure if you did or not, just tossing it out there.
>
> snake
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234520#234520
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
The transducer was connected prior to any test or power up.
I have sent several emails to Northstar requesting help. I have also listened
to the music on their phone line for over an hour, listening to someone continuously
telling me how important my phone call is, and how the next available representative
will be on the line soon. No one ever answered their phone. No
one ever responded to any email.
Today, in total frustration, I cut the 5 pin connector off the line and hard wired
the transducer to the meter. Still the same result. When the transducer
is connected to the meter all power is lost. When the transducer is disconnected
from the meter the meter works great. I am convinced there is a dead short
in the transducer.
I have removed the transducer from the fuel line and am planning on returning the
entire unit and will ask for a replacement.
--------
Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox Model 1- 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
On Fri, March 13, 2009 7:00 pm, SkySteve wrote:
> ... Still the same result. When the transducer is connected to
> the meter all power is lost. When the transducer is disconnected from the meter
the
> meter works great. I am convinced there is a dead short in the transducer.
Did you try it with the engine running? Might need to initialize with fuel flow
first.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
"If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by
money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no
longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
I have not run the engine with the fuel flow meter installed. Others here have
stated that their's power up just fine with only the master switch on.
--------
Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox Model 1- 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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| Subject: | Re: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant |
I just purchased a gallon of Kreem from CarParts.com for $46.74, cheaper tha
n any other source I could find.
Stan Specht
Model IV Speedster
912ul with 1450 hrs.
Denver, Colorado
-----Original Message-----
From: pmorel <pmorel@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 7:39 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant
=C2-
Lowell=C2-
Thanks for the info. I'm going to get a gallon of Kreem and experiment a
little with the dilution. I'll call J McBean for a price. I also found it
at JC Whitney. I have a pair of wing rotisseries I used while building the
wings that I can put back in service to coat the inside of the fuel tanks.
I thought I'd never use them again, but I guess I was wrong.=C2-
Thanks again=C2-
Paul=C2-
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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant=C2
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> The only thing that has had a history in these tanks is Kreem. There is
> some contorversy about it largely due to it's tendency to flake off if not
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> according to the Kreem directions. It has been suggested and, most do, to
> dilute the Kreem 50% with MEK before application. Two or three quarts
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> From: "Paul Morel" <pmorel@bellsouth.net>=C2-
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> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:58 AM=C2-
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant=C2
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> Has anyone with already installed fiberglass fuel tanks been able to make
> them ethanol fuel resistant? My tanks are installed but no fuel has been
> put in them yet. (Final stages of completion) I'm running a 912 Rotax
> and plan on using auto fuel. The only fuel I'm able to find in my area
> contains at least 10% ethanol. I know this subject of ethanol fuel has
> been beaten to death. What kind of materials are available to protect the
> tanks and does anyone have suggestions of how to apply it?=C2-
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