---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/13/09: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:55 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (Catz631@aol.com) 2. 07:29 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (akflyer) 3. 07:59 AM - Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant (Paul Morel) 4. 08:18 AM - WingTanks.com (Bob Brennan) 5. 09:05 AM - Re: WingTanks.com (fox5flyer) 6. 09:10 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (SkySteve) 7. 10:09 AM - Re: WingTanks.com (Paul Franz - Merlin GT) 8. 11:04 AM - Re: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant (Lowell Fitt) 9. 11:17 AM - Re: WingTanks (jdmcbean) 10. 11:23 AM - Re: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant (jdmcbean) 11. 11:45 AM - Re: WingTanks (Bob Brennan) 12. 04:31 PM - Re: WingTanks (rawheels) 13. 05:18 PM - Re: Re: WingTanks (Bob Brennan) 14. 05:34 PM - Re: WingTanks (jdmcbean) 15. 06:39 PM - Re: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant (pmorel) 16. 06:56 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (akflyer) 17. 07:40 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Display (Lynn Matteson) 18. 08:02 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (SkySteve) 19. 08:33 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Display (Paul Franz - Merlin GT) 20. 08:41 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (SkySteve) 21. 10:19 PM - Re: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant (sourdostan@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:27 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Flow Display Steve, When I turn the master switch on in my aircraft the Northstar beeps,red internal light comes on and it indicates GAS followed by the amount in the tanks. The fuel flow button if pushed shows a blank as the engine is not running. Dick Maddux Pensacola,Fl **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:27 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Flow Display From: "akflyer" SkySteve wrote: > Have you found a good (ready easy) way to calibrate the fuel meter? I did read the instructions and figured I'll have to fill both wing tanks, fly for awhile, then drain the wing tanks and remeasure the fuel left to figure my real fuel usage. I have checked my meter several times and it was close enough out of the box that I have not felt the need to screw with it. I just filled it up with X amount of gas, went flying for a few hours then I always drain gas out of the tanks for trailering... What I sucked out of the tank was really dang close to what the meter said I had remaining. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry aka SNAKE Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 hander outer of humorless darwin awards Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234426#234426 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:07 AM PST US From: "Paul Morel" Subject: Kitfox-List: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant Has anyone with already installed fiberglass fuel tanks been able to make them ethanol fuel resistant? My tanks are installed but no fuel has been put in them yet. (Final stages of completion) I'm running a 912 Rotax and plan on using auto fuel. The only fuel I'm able to find in my area contains at least 10% ethanol. I know this subject of ethanol fuel has been beaten to death. What kind of materials are available to protect the tanks and does anyone have suggestions of how to apply it? Paul Morel 912 Speedster Locust Grove, GA ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:53 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: Kitfox-List: WingTanks.com Has anyone actually dealt with these guys(http://wingtanks.com)? Recently? Further to my thread a while ago about installing wing tanks in my KF2 I sent off an email to the only contact info listed on their site(sales@wingtanks.com). That was about a month ago and I re-sent it a week ago using a more reliable email server (gmail) just in case, but still no response. If anyone has dealt with them in the past - how was the response, service, support, and the items supplied? And does anyone have an alternative means of contacting them or know if they are still in business? Thanks in advance Bob Brennan - N717GB ELSA Repairman, inspection rated 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:23 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: WingTanks.com I know this isn't much help, but just the fact that they don't respond to the email address listed on their web site speaks volumes to me. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Brennan To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 11:17 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: WingTanks.com Has anyone actually dealt with these guys(http://wingtanks.com)? Recently? Further to my thread a while ago about installing wing tanks in my KF2 I sent off an email to the only contact info listed on their site(sales@wingtanks.com). That was about a month ago and I re-sent it a week ago using a more reliable email server (gmail) just in case, but still no response. If anyone has dealt with them in the past - how was the response, service, support, and the items supplied? And does anyone have an alternative means of contacting them or know if they are still in business? Thanks in advance Bob Brennan - N717GB ELSA Repairman, inspection rated 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:53 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Flow Display From: "SkySteve" Dick, My meter goes through the same routine as yours when I turn on the mater switch IF it is NOT connected to the transducer. If it is connected to the transducer, the meter does not turn on. It acts like there is a direct short either in the 5 pin connector or in the transducer. I have called Northstar, and listened to their music for 45 minutes, with no human response from them. I have also sent an email, but no response from that either. -------- Steve Wilson Huntsville, UT Kitfox Model 1- 85DD 912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234436#234436 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: WingTanks.com From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" On Fri, March 13, 2009 7:17 am, Bob Brennan wrote: > > If anyone has dealt with them in the past - how was the response, service, > support, and the items supplied? And does anyone have an alternative means > of contacting them or know if they are still in business? You might try calling Airdale and ask for Brett 715-369-1343. Airdale is a reseller for those tanks. -- Paul A. Franz Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP Bellevue WA 425.241.1618 Cell In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other. -- Voltaire (1764) A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. -- George Bernard Shaw ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:26 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant Paul, The only thing that has had a history in these tanks is Kreem. There is some contorversy about it largely due to it's tendency to flake off if not put in properly prepared tanks. First a rinse with acetone or MEK to prepare the surface, then sloshing according to the Kreem directions. It has been suggested and, most do, to dilute the Kreem 50% with MEK before application. Two or three quarts should do the job on both sides. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Morel" Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:58 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant Has anyone with already installed fiberglass fuel tanks been able to make them ethanol fuel resistant? My tanks are installed but no fuel has been put in them yet. (Final stages of completion) I'm running a 912 Rotax and plan on using auto fuel. The only fuel I'm able to find in my area contains at least 10% ethanol. I know this subject of ethanol fuel has been beaten to death. What kind of materials are available to protect the tanks and does anyone have suggestions of how to apply it? Paul Morel 912 Speedster Locust Grove, GA ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:18 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: WingTanks Bob, Those tanks have never been tested structurally and there are several issues with the install IMHO. not to mention weight of the install. Fly Safe !! John McBean Ph 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:28 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant Paul, KREEM is the only compound that has been used and with varied results. There is another but we have not had the chance to test it. It is used in many other applications and the manufacture stated that using it in fiberglass is not a problem and it is ethanol resistant. Give me a call if you're interested. Fly Safe !! John McBean Ph 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Morel Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant Has anyone with already installed fiberglass fuel tanks been able to make them ethanol fuel resistant? My tanks are installed but no fuel has been put in them yet. (Final stages of completion) I'm running a 912 Rotax and plan on using auto fuel. The only fuel I'm able to find in my area contains at least 10% ethanol. I know this subject of ethanol fuel has been beaten to death. What kind of materials are available to protect the tanks and does anyone have suggestions of how to apply it? Paul Morel 912 Speedster Locust Grove, GA ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:53 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: WingTanks Hi John, thanks for jumping in on this, Checking your parts catalogue on page 54 I see that you only have 6 gallon tanks for my model II for $440 each. My reason for perusing the wingtanks.com tanks was that I would gain 13 gallons, which is important to me; and apparently I would not be removing any struts, only a couple of drag / anti-drag tubes which look pretty weak anyway. From the pictures on their cob-website it looks like a piece of plywood more than makes up for any torsional loss from those tubes but I was hoping to exchange a few emails with them on that topic. However, since they don't respond - I assume your 6 gallon model II tanks also fit between struts? Has anyone ever installed two 6 gallon tanks in one wing and/or can it be done? Bob Brennan - N717GB ELSA Repairman, inspection rated 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean Sent: 13 March 2009 2:15 pm Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: WingTanks Bob, Those tanks have never been tested structurally and there are several issues with the install IMHO. not to mention weight of the install. Fly Safe !! John McBean Ph 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:08 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: WingTanks From: "rawheels" matronics(at)bob.brennan. wrote: > Checking your parts catalogue on page 54 I see that you only have 6 gallon tanks for my model II for $440 each. Bob, I see a 13 gal for the model II on page 54. It is the same price $440. -------- Ryan Wheeler Kitfox IV-1200 Indianapolis, IN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234502#234502 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:10 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: WingTanks Well spotted Ryan! I didn't look further down when I saw the "Model 4,5,6,etc". Obviously the larger tank will require removing structure, especially a strut, but John McB seemed to imply that his tanks are structurally designed and tested to do that. Hopefully he will add to this thread to support that, in which case it may be my best option. Has anyone else installed John's 13 gal tank in a finished Model II yet? Bob Brennan - N717GB ELSA Repairman, inspection rated 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rawheels Sent: 13 March 2009 7:30 pm Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: WingTanks matronics(at)bob.brennan. wrote: > Checking your parts catalogue on page 54 I see that you only have 6 gallon tanks for my model II for $440 each. Bob, I see a 13 gal for the model II on page 54. It is the same price $440. -------- Ryan Wheeler Kitfox IV-1200 Indianapolis, IN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234502#234502 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:50 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: WingTanks Bob, We have both the 6 gallon and the 13 gallon. Give us a call and I can cover the details. Fly Safe !! John McBean Ph 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:43 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: WingTanks Hi John, thanks for jumping in on this, Checking your parts catalogue on page 54 I see that you only have 6 gallon tanks for my model II for $440 each. My reason for perusing the wingtanks.com tanks was that I would gain 13 gallons, which is important to me; and apparently I would not be removing any struts, only a couple of drag / anti-drag tubes which look pretty weak anyway. From the pictures on their cob-website it looks like a piece of plywood more than makes up for any torsional loss from those tubes but I was hoping to exchange a few emails with them on that topic. However, since they don't respond - I assume your 6 gallon model II tanks also fit between struts? Has anyone ever installed two 6 gallon tanks in one wing and/or can it be done? Bob Brennan - N717GB ELSA Repairman, inspection rated 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop Wrightsville Pa _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean Sent: 13 March 2009 2:15 pm Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: WingTanks Bob, Those tanks have never been tested structurally and there are several issues with the install IMHO. not to mention weight of the install. Fly Safe !! John McBean Ph 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:45 PM PST US From: "pmorel" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant Lowell Thanks for the info. I'm going to get a gallon of Kreem and experiment a little with the dilution. I'll call J McBean for a price. I also found it at JC Whitney. I have a pair of wing rotisseries I used while building the wings that I can put back in service to coat the inside of the fuel tanks. I thought I'd never use them again, but I guess I was wrong. Thanks again Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:02 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant > > Paul, > > The only thing that has had a history in these tanks is Kreem. There is > some contorversy about it largely due to it's tendency to flake off if not > put in properly prepared tanks. > > First a rinse with acetone or MEK to prepare the surface, then sloshing > according to the Kreem directions. It has been suggested and, most do, to > dilute the Kreem 50% with MEK before application. Two or three quarts > should do the job on both sides. > > Lowell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Morel" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:58 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant > > > Has anyone with already installed fiberglass fuel tanks been able to make > them ethanol fuel resistant? My tanks are installed but no fuel has been > put in them yet. (Final stages of completion) I'm running a 912 Rotax > and plan on using auto fuel. The only fuel I'm able to find in my area > contains at least 10% ethanol. I know this subject of ethanol fuel has > been beaten to death. What kind of materials are available to protect the > tanks and does anyone have suggestions of how to apply it? > > Paul Morel > 912 Speedster > Locust Grove, GA > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:27 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Flow Display From: "akflyer" did you guys try to power up the unit without it being hooked to the ducer first? or was it hooked to ducer, and would not power up on the initial try? Alot of instruments don't like to have power to them without the ducer being installed. If that was the case, and you were impatient and wanted to see what it would do before the ducer was hooked up, you may have toasted a good instrument. Don't know for sure if you did or not, just tossing it out there. snake -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry aka SNAKE Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 hander outer of humorless darwin awards Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234520#234520 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:59 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Flow Display Kinda like starting the ol' engine up without a prop, eh Snake, just to see what she sounds like? A little impatience at the wrong time might not be a good thing. Speaking of fuel flow, I was flying today, and even into a 10 mph wind at about 90 mph, I was able to twist the throttle back to see 2.9 gph on my Northstar Fuel Flow meter. It's surprising how just a little less throttle will gain so much in fuel economy. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 610 hrs Sensenich 62x46 Electroair direct-fire ignition system Status: flying do not archive On Mar 13, 2009, at 9:55 PM, akflyer wrote: > > did you guys try to power up the unit without it being hooked to > the ducer first? or was it hooked to ducer, and would not power up > on the initial try? Alot of instruments don't like to have power > to them without the ducer being installed. If that was the case, > and you were impatient and wanted to see what it would do before > the ducer was hooked up, you may have toasted a good instrument. > > Don't know for sure if you did or not, just tossing it out there. > > snake > > -------- > DO NOT ARCHIVE > Leonard Perry aka SNAKE > Soldotna AK > Avid "C" / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA > Full Lotus 1260 > #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 > > hander outer of humorless darwin awards > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234520#234520 > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:08 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Flow Display From: "SkySteve" The transducer was connected prior to any test or power up. I have sent several emails to Northstar requesting help. I have also listened to the music on their phone line for over an hour, listening to someone continuously telling me how important my phone call is, and how the next available representative will be on the line soon. No one ever answered their phone. No one ever responded to any email. Today, in total frustration, I cut the 5 pin connector off the line and hard wired the transducer to the meter. Still the same result. When the transducer is connected to the meter all power is lost. When the transducer is disconnected from the meter the meter works great. I am convinced there is a dead short in the transducer. I have removed the transducer from the fuel line and am planning on returning the entire unit and will ask for a replacement. -------- Steve Wilson Huntsville, UT Kitfox Model 1- 85DD 912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234524#234524 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Flow Display From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" On Fri, March 13, 2009 7:00 pm, SkySteve wrote: > ... Still the same result. When the transducer is connected to > the meter all power is lost. When the transducer is disconnected from the meter the > meter works great. I am convinced there is a dead short in the transducer. Did you try it with the engine running? Might need to initialize with fuel flow first. -- Paul A. Franz Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP Bellevue WA 425.241.1618 Cell "If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions." --James Madison, letter to Edmund Pendleton, 21 January 1792 There is no distinctly native American criminal class...save Congress -- Mark Twain ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:18 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel Flow Display From: "SkySteve" I have not run the engine with the fuel flow meter installed. Others here have stated that their's power up just fine with only the master switch on. -------- Steve Wilson Huntsville, UT Kitfox Model 1- 85DD 912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234529#234529 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant From: sourdostan@aol.com I just purchased a gallon of Kreem from CarParts.com for $46.74, cheaper tha n any other source I could find. Stan Specht Model IV Speedster 912ul with 1450 hrs. Denver, Colorado -----Original Message----- From: pmorel Sent: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 7:39 pm Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant =C2- Lowell=C2- Thanks for the info. I'm going to get a gallon of Kreem and experiment a little with the dilution. I'll call J McBean for a price. I also found it at JC Whitney. I have a pair of wing rotisseries I used while building the wings that I can put back in service to coat the inside of the fuel tanks. I thought I'd never use them again, but I guess I was wrong.=C2- Thanks again=C2- Paul=C2- =C2- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" =C2- Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:02 PM=C2- Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Making Fiberglass fuel tanks Ethanol resistant=C2 - =C2- =C2- >=C2- > Paul,=C2- >=C2- > The only thing that has had a history in these tanks is Kreem. There is > some contorversy about it largely due to it's tendency to flake off if not > put in properly prepared tanks.=C2- >=C2- > First a rinse with acetone or MEK to=2 0prepare the surface, then sloshing > according to the Kreem directions. It has been suggested and, most do, to > dilute the Kreem 50% with MEK before application. 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