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1. 03:14 AM - Re: Tire Question (rawheels)
2. 03:59 AM - Re: Re: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... (fox5flyer)
3. 04:17 AM - Re: Flaperon Damage. (815TL)
4. 04:38 AM - Re: Kingfox tires (Catz631@aol.com)
5. 06:08 AM - Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane solution (Jeffrey Dill)
6. 06:59 AM - Re: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... (Tom Jones)
7. 07:16 AM - Re: Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane solution (floran higgins)
8. 07:40 AM - Re: Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane solution (Jeffrey Dill)
9. 07:45 AM - Re: Tire Question (Tom Jones)
10. 08:26 AM - 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... (Andrew Matthaey)
11. 08:43 AM - Re: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... (akflyer)
12. 09:12 AM - Re: 582 Thermostat (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
13. 09:20 AM - Re: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... (Marco Menezes)
14. 09:25 AM - Re: Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane solution (Noel Loveys)
15. 09:47 AM - 582 Thermostat (Andrew Matthaey)
16. 09:47 AM - Re: Kingfox tires (Larry Huntley)
17. 09:49 AM - Re: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... (Larry Huntley)
18. 10:08 AM - Fuel overflow at startup (Jim Feldmann)
19. 10:22 AM - Re: Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane solution (Jeffrey Dill)
20. 10:30 AM - Re: 582 Thermostat (akflyer)
21. 11:03 AM - Re: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
22. 11:09 AM - Re: Fuel overflow at startup (Clint Bazzill)
23. 11:21 AM - Re: Fuel overflow at startup (paul wilson)
24. 11:21 AM - Re: 582 Thermostat (akflyer)
25. 11:33 AM - Safety Wire Repair Tool (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
26. 11:42 AM - Re: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... (Lynn Matteson)
27. 11:50 AM - Re: Safety Wire Repair Tool (Tom Jones)
28. 12:03 PM - Re: Re: Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane solution (floran higgins)
29. 12:03 PM - Re: Safety Wire Repair Tool (Lee Lovig)
30. 12:12 PM - Re: Safety Wire Repair Tool (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
31. 01:36 PM - Re: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... (Marco Menezes)
32. 01:46 PM - Re: Safety Wire Repair Tool (Marco Menezes)
33. 01:54 PM - Re: Kingfox tires (Michael Logan)
34. 04:16 PM - Re: Re: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... (Guy Buchanan)
35. 04:16 PM - Re: Kingfox tires (Guy Buchanan)
36. 04:29 PM - Re: Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane solution (Guy Buchanan)
37. 06:32 PM - Re: Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane solution (Randy Daughenbaugh)
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Question |
So, help me understand this; The tire numbering system is radiusXwidthXplys, right?
The original wheels were 6" wide, so how do you put a 8.5" or 12" wide
tire on a 6" wide rim? Do you just get a smaller inner tube, or is it ok to use
the wider tires because we never put in the full air pressure or something?
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Kitfox IV-1200
Indianapolis, IN
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... |
The OMC t-stat Snake is talking about works fine--actually better because it
allows the engine to quickly come up to a better working temp, especially in
the cold country. Some people drill a 3/16 hole in it to allow air to get
through, but I forget why. I think it's something to do with allowing the
hot coolant to mix with the cooler stuff so there is no cold seizure
potential. ...or something like that. $150 for a Rotax unit? Was that a
joke?
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps...
>
> At 08:58 PM 3/16/2009, you wrote:
>>OMC 3853799
>>
>>I bought mine at Napa.. I think it was 6.29
>
> Good job Leonard. You have no problem running a 160F thermostat? I think
> stock is about 135F.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 300 hrs. and counting
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon Damage. |
Thank you all for the advice. It sounds like the A&P at the field is on the right
track. Hopefully he can get it done during the week, so I can fly on the
weekend, weather permitting.
Andrew
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| Subject: | Re: Kingfox tires |
Thanks for the info Bob. I found them on line. I don't think the tires will
last all that long and I assume the little holes in them are wear holes.(ie:
when the rubber gets to the bottom of the holes, chuck them) I was trying to
find a replacement source for when I reach that point. I primarily use my Nanking
tires on grass with some asphalt use. I didn't want to buy a new set and hold
on to them for a couple of years (if mine last that long) as rubber tires are
perishable like bungees. I would rather buy fresh.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane solution |
Just throwing down a quick update. I suppose you could do a search for previous
posts for background info, but basically it goes like this. I ripped off the
gear of my model 2 last July trying to clear a taxiway sign. My 25 hours of tailwheel
time never seemed to eliminate darting and no-notice redirection after
touchdown. In prep for the ensuing 44709 ride with the FEDS, I now have significant
time flying a Supercruiser, converted 172, and J3; with absolutely no directional
surprises. I carried 15000 insurance on the Mod 2 and AIG totaled it
with damage limited to tubing under the seat, gear plus prop strike. I figured
that if you guys could land this thing. than I could; so I took the money and
paid $2350 for the salvage. Enter a Model 4. Build by a high school shop class
and flown once. They had an extra wing kit and sold me all in pieces on the
premise that the engine (503) and gear would go on my model 2. Hope to have
the 2 flying this summer, maybe 2 years on the Mod 4, which gets Grove gear and
my 582 after prop strike inspection. Grove too heavy for the 2; I am trying
to reduce weight wherever possible. Observations: The Mod 4 gear fits right up
to the Mod 2, but is of larger diameter tubing. The rudder is starkly larger
on the Mod 4; what does that tell you? Also, I noticed a big difference on the
tailwheel of the J3 I trained in versus the setup I had on my Mod 2 before the
mishap; The J3 had much slack in the springs leading from the rudder to the
tailwheel (Picture attached). On my Mod 2, I had no slack whatsoever. I think
it is possible that I set myself up for some of that darting with a tailwheel
that would over-control and redirect me instantly when I finally set the tailwheel
down (more dual proved I was not as religious about planting that tailwheel
as I should have been).
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Model 2
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... |
> I just replaced the bungees through Kitfox Aircraft, and they told me 4-5 wraps
would be sufficient. Well I nearly lost a few digits, but I was able to get
four wraps out of the new bungees...Now the old bungees were wrapped 5 or 6 times
around each, and there was plenty of play...Now after a good taxi-test, both
new bungees seem to have settledwith about an inch gap between the bottom
of the fuselage and the gear bar. Is that about right, because I can't imagine
how to get another wrap out of them!
Andrew, the gear tubes should sit up against the bottom of the fuselage when two
good sized people are in the seat. Six wraps will do it. The trick is to not
loose any of the progress you make on each wrap while you make the next wrap.
A helper is good to have. I do mine by myself using water pump pliers with
the jaws padded with friction tape to hold the last wrap while I make the next
wrap. I'm an old skinny guy.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane solution |
I made the first flights on a friends Avid model 4. On roll out it would
suddenly dart right. On further inspection we found that the left wheel was
toed in.
After we straightened it out, the aircraft would roll out fine.
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt
Speedster
912 ULS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Dill" <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:07 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane solution
> <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
>
> Just throwing down a quick update. I suppose you could do a search for
> previous posts for background info, but basically it goes like this. I
> ripped off the gear of my model 2 last July trying to clear a taxiway
> sign. My 25 hours of tailwheel time never seemed to eliminate darting and
> no-notice redirection after touchdown. In prep for the ensuing 44709 ride
> with the FEDS, I now have significant time flying a Supercruiser,
> converted 172, and J3; with absolutely no directional surprises. I carried
> 15000 insurance on the Mod 2 and AIG totaled it with damage limited to
> tubing under the seat, gear plus prop strike. I figured that if you guys
> could land this thing. than I could; so I took the money and paid $2350
> for the salvage. Enter a Model 4. Build by a high school shop class and
> flown once. They had an extra wing kit and sold me all in pieces on the
> premise that the engine (503) and gear would go on my model 2. Hope to
> have the 2 flying this summer, maybe 2 years on the Mod 4!
> , which gets Grove gear and my 582 after prop strike inspection. Grove too
> heavy for the 2; I am trying to reduce weight wherever possible.
> Observations: The Mod 4 gear fits right up to the Mod 2, but is of larger
> diameter tubing. The rudder is starkly larger on the Mod 4; what does
> that tell you? Also, I noticed a big difference on the tailwheel of the J3
> I trained in versus the setup I had on my Mod 2 before the mishap; The J3
> had much slack in the springs leading from the rudder to the tailwheel
> (Picture attached). On my Mod 2, I had no slack whatsoever. I think it is
> possible that I set myself up for some of that darting with a tailwheel
> that would over-control and redirect me instantly when I finally set the
> tailwheel down (more dual proved I was not as religious about planting
> that tailwheel as I should have been).
>
> --------
> Jeff Dill
> Model 2
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234959#234959
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| Subject: | Re: Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane solution |
Did you move it to exactly straight, or, as some have suggested, move it to 1 or
2 degrees toe out?
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Jeff Dill
Model 2
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Question |
> So, help me understand this; The tire numbering system is radiusXwidthXplys,
right? The original wheels were 6" wide, so how do you put a 8.5" or 12" wide
tire on a 6" wide rim? Do you just get a smaller inner tube, or is it ok to use
the wider tires because we never put in the full air pressure or something?
Ryan, the original kitfox wheels are Douglas ATV wheels. ATV tire size is Tire
outside diameter X Tire widest section width X wheel diameter. Tire width is
commonly 2 to 4 inches wider than wheel width.
The Kingfox tires are 21 X 12 X 8. Yes that is pushing the width limits to put
it on a 6 inch wide wheel. I took my Kingfox tires and Douglas wheels to the
tire shop and asked the guy, "Will these tires will work on these wheels". He
said yup and mounted them.
When inflated the widest section of the tire is 9 inches. This combination of
tires and wheels has been used on Kitfoxes for a while now and I haven't heard
of any problems. Experimental has its advantages.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... |
Thanks Guy...Is that thermostat a 160 as opposed to the stock? I'm almost e
mbarrassed to say that the 4 wraps was WITH a buddy! I guess I'll have to g
o and give it another shot then! What we did was wrap a knot around the loo
p and used that to pull the bungee through....didn't leave much room so may
be the screwdriver method will work...=0A-=0AAndrew=0A-=0Ado not archiv
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... |
Guy Buchanan wrote:
> At 08:58 PM 3/16/2009, you wrote:
>
> > OMC 3853799
> >
> > I bought mine at Napa.. I think it was 6.29
> >
> >
>
> Good job Leonard. You have no problem running a 160F thermostat? I
> think stock is about 135F.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 300 hrs. and counting
Run this thermostat in 5 planes here locally with no issues. flown them from -35
to 85 above and have not had any problems to date. With this being said, I
am not making claim that you may not have an issue. I went through 2 "genuine
Rotax" thermostats yet none of us have had an issue with the "after-market"
one I listed.
Remember, you must treat all my statements, stories, or tales as if they are 100%
snake oil. I don't want to loose my #1 salesman status LOL
--------
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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Thermostat |
On Tue, March 17, 2009 2:55 am, fox5flyer wrote:
>
> The OMC t-stat Snake is talking about works fine--actually better because it
> allows the engine to quickly come up to a better working temp, especially in
> the cold country. Some people drill a 3/16 hole in it to allow air to get
> through, but I forget why.
The reason for the hole is to let some coolant leak by when it is too cold to open.
If
the T-stat is some distance away from the rapidly heating coolant in the engine,
it
might not start opening soon enough because the coolant is still cold near the
T-stat.
I think the hole size needed is more like 3/32". You only need to let it leak a
few
ounces to get warm coolant up to it.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
A new taste had been acquired and a new appetite began to grow. The time
had long since arrived to crush the technical intelligentsia, which had
come to regard itself as too irreplaceable and had not gotten used to
catching instructions on the wing. In other words, we never did trust
the engineers - and from the very first years of the Revolution we saw to
it that those lackeys and servants of former capitalist bosses were kept
in line by healthy suspicion and surveillance by the workers.
-- Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... |
How long were those bungies Andrew? Relaxed, new ones should be 60" from-
loop to loop.-While 6 wraps-is a-knuckle-busting event-(no-place
for ladies or children)-it's do-able. Those who say it's a snap are freak
ing wizards in my estimation. ;-)
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
--- On Tue, 3/17/09, Andrew Matthaey <experimentalab@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Andrew Matthaey <experimentalab@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps...
Thanks Guy...Is that thermostat a 160 as opposed to the stock? I'm almost e
mbarrassed to say that the 4 wraps was WITH a buddy! I guess I'll have to g
o and give it another shot then! What we did was wrap a knot around the loo
p and used that to pull the bungee through....didn't leave much room so may
be the screwdriver method will work...
-
Andrew
-
do not archive
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| Subject: | Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane solution |
It seems to me to be personal preference as to whether or not to have the
tail wheel steering springs tight. I noticed years ago the manuals on the
185 required a preload on the tail wheel but that plane had lock to hold it
straight for takeoff and landing.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Dill
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:37 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane solution
Just throwing down a quick update. I suppose you could do a search for
previous posts for background info, but basically it goes like this. I
ripped off the gear of my model 2 last July trying to clear a taxiway sign.
My 25 hours of tailwheel time never seemed to eliminate darting and
no-notice redirection after touchdown. In prep for the ensuing 44709 ride
with the FEDS, I now have significant time flying a Supercruiser, converted
172, and J3; with absolutely no directional surprises. I carried 15000
insurance on the Mod 2 and AIG totaled it with damage limited to tubing
under the seat, gear plus prop strike. I figured that if you guys could land
this thing. than I could; so I took the money and paid $2350 for the
salvage. Enter a Model 4. Build by a high school shop class and flown once.
They had an extra wing kit and sold me all in pieces on the premise that the
engine (503) and gear would go on my model 2. Hope to have the 2 flying this
summer, maybe 2 years on the Mod 4!
, which gets Grove gear and my 582 after prop strike inspection. Grove too
heavy for the 2; I am trying to reduce weight wherever possible.
Observations: The Mod 4 gear fits right up to the Mod 2, but is of larger
diameter tubing. The rudder is starkly larger on the Mod 4; what does that
tell you? Also, I noticed a big difference on the tailwheel of the J3 I
trained in versus the setup I had on my Mod 2 before the mishap; The J3 had
much slack in the springs leading from the rudder to the tailwheel (Picture
attached). On my Mod 2, I had no slack whatsoever. I think it is possible
that I set myself up for some of that darting with a tailwheel that would
over-control and redirect me instantly when I finally set the tailwheel down
(more dual proved I was not as religious about planting that tailwheel as I
should have been).
--------
Jeff Dill
Model 2
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Well NAPA has no cross-reference for that thermostat (OMC 3853799), and I c
an't find specs for the Rotax-specific temperature. And no joke, that Part
is $138 plus-S/H from-California Power and-Lockwood...-=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Kingfox tires |
Dick,
I don't know which tires those are for sure,but I am still running my
original little fat bald tires that came with my Fox in 1992. I first
flew it in 1998 and now have 500+ hours on it.
Larry Huntley
----- Original Message -----
From: Catz631@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kingfox tires
Thanks for the info Bob. I found them on line. I don't think the tires
will last all that long and I assume the little holes in them are wear
holes.(ie: when the rubber gets to the bottom of the holes, chuck them)
I was trying to find a replacement source for when I reach that point. I
primarily use my Nanking tires on grass with some asphalt use. I didn't
want to buy a new set and hold on to them for a couple of years (if mine
last that long) as rubber tires are perishable like bungees. I would
rather buy fresh.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... |
It is a snap! I will try to take pix of the proper tools and procedure.
My wife and I can install one six wraps in a lot less than 10 minutes.
Larry Huntley
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps...
How long were those bungies Andrew? Relaxed, new ones should be
60" from loop to loop. While 6 wraps is a knuckle-busting event (no
place for ladies or children) it's do-able. Those who say it's a snap
are freaking wizards in my estimation. ;-)
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
--- On Tue, 3/17/09, Andrew Matthaey <experimentalab@yahoo.com>
wrote:
From: Andrew Matthaey <experimentalab@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps...
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 11:25 AM
Thanks Guy...Is that thermostat a 160 as opposed to the stock?
I'm almost embarrassed to say that the 4 wraps was WITH a buddy! I guess
I'll have to go and give it another shot then! What we did was wrap a
knot around the loop and used that to pull the bungee through....didn't
leave much room so maybe the screwdriver method will work...
Andrew
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| Subject: | Fuel overflow at startup |
My 912 now runs very well at idle and throughout the rpm range, but it shakes violently
for a second or so at startup. This causes fuel to be ejected from the
vent tubes of the carburetors.
I set the throttle at idle and use the starting carbs (choke) to start when cold,
and just advance the throttle a little when hot. The shaking happens either
way, but is worse when cold. Is there a better starting technique?
I have seen recommendations to run the carb vent tubes into the aircleaners. This
might solve the problem of fuel being thrown around the engine compartment,
but I am concerned about the effect of throwing the excess gas into the carb
throats and/or washing the oil out of the aircleaners.
Is this a normal condition? Has anyone been able to solve it?
--------
Jim Feldmann, 3rd owner
1994 Kitfox IV Speedster / 912
Working on my Sport Pilot Certificate
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| Subject: | Re: Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane solution |
I just checked. my Matco does not lock straight. I have seen postings about the
Kitfox darting, mostly with the tube gear, and mostly not with the Grove. Also,
I have seen and heard claims of pilots who had never experienced it. Trying
to keep an open mind.
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Model 2
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Thermostat |
hmmm. I will check tomorrow with my local napa where I got mine and see if they
have changed numbers.. I will let you know.
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Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... |
On Tue, March 17, 2009 7:25 am, Andrew Matthaey wrote:
> Thanks Guy...Is that thermostat a 160 as opposed to the stock? I'm almost embarrassed
> to say that the 4 wraps was WITH a buddy! I guess I'll have to go and give it
another
> shot then! What we did was wrap a knot around the loop and used that to pull
the
> bungee through....didn't leave much room so maybe the screwdriver method will
work...
After a little fiddling around, I found this to be a fairly simple one-man job.
I use
two Vise-Grips and Channel Lock pliers. Make the first wrap and clamp it securely
so
that the Vise Grip handle is blocked from rotating. Then make another wrap easily
with
both hands now free use the Channel Lock plier to pull it tight to the point that
the
bungee won't stretch anymore then use the second Vise Grip to clamp that wrap also
making sure that the handles will be supported from movement when you clamp and
let
go. Then make another wrap with both hands free, pull it tight and move the second
Vise Grip to the new position. Repeat this process until you've got all the wraps
you
can fit in the space. Then have a cup of coffee or beer and admire your work so
far.
The last step is connecting the two ends of the bungee. I have a tool that allows
you
to apply as many wraps of safety wire as you want and will pull that safey wire
as
tight as you want it.
My first try I had those safety wires so tight they injured the bungee. I think
the
joint should be made so it compressed the connection to about half the starting
diameter. I used 12 wraps of safety wire which is 6 doubles.
I'll post a couple photos of the tool on the Forum.
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Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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on what to have for dinner.
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| Subject: | Fuel overflow at startup |
Hi Jim=2C
Check back on the threads on this list. My startup procedure will stop all
that.
Clint
Model IV 1400 plus hours
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel overflow at startup
> From: feldesign@earthlink.net
> Date: Tue=2C 17 Mar 2009 10:08:04 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
t>
>
> My 912 now runs very well at idle and throughout the rpm range=2C but it
shakes violently for a second or so at startup. This causes fuel to be ejec
ted from the vent tubes of the carburetors.
>
> I set the throttle at idle and use the starting carbs (choke) to start wh
en cold=2C and just advance the throttle a little when hot. The shaking hap
pens either way=2C but is worse when cold. Is there a better starting techn
ique?
>
> I have seen recommendations to run the carb vent tubes into the aircleane
rs. This might solve the problem of fuel being thrown around the engine com
partment=2C but I am concerned about the effect of throwing the excess gas
into the carb throats and/or washing the oil out of the aircleaners.
>
> Is this a normal condition? Has anyone been able to solve it?
>
> --------
> Jim Feldmann=2C 3rd owner
> 1994 Kitfox IV Speedster / 912
> Working on my Sport Pilot Certificate
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234993#234993
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel overflow at startup |
I have been on this list for a long time and your condition will not
be fixed with rerouting the vent and may even be the wrong thing to
do. You must fix the shake. The archives are full if suggestions
involving lots of trouble shooting. Like check spark, carb balance,
less fuel in one carb, and on & on.
Paul
========
At 09:08 AM 3/17/2009, you wrote:
>
>My 912 now runs very well at idle and throughout the rpm range, but
>it shakes violently for a second or so at startup. This causes fuel
>to be ejected from the vent tubes of the carburetors.
>
>I set the throttle at idle and use the starting carbs (choke) to
>start when cold, and just advance the throttle a little when
>hot. The shaking happens either way, but is worse when cold. Is
>there a better starting technique?
>
>I have seen recommendations to run the carb vent tubes into the
>aircleaners. This might solve the problem of fuel being thrown
>around the engine compartment, but I am concerned about the effect
>of throwing the excess gas into the carb throats and/or washing the
>oil out of the aircleaners.
>
>Is this a normal condition? Has anyone been able to solve it?
>
>--------
>Jim Feldmann, 3rd owner
>1994 Kitfox IV Speedster / 912
>Working on my Sport Pilot Certificate
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234993#234993
>
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Thermostat |
http://www.boats.net/parts/detail/brp/B-3853799.html
it is for a johnson or evinrude outboard.
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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Safety Wire Repair Tool |
The tool I used to fasten the two ends of a bungee cord together and for many other
things I first saw at an air show but didn't buy it. Later I wished I had
and then did a great deal of searching and found the source. Regretfully, I don't
have that information easily at hand anymore.
The first picture shows the tool and a broken hammer handle I fixed with it using
safety wire.
The next photo is a closeup of the safety wire repair. You can make as many wraps
as you like. I made 6 wraps on bungee cords which is 12 strands. I think 3
wraps (6 strands) is plenty.
The last photo is a scan of the instructions that came with the tool. The repair
job was my first trial with the tool. I've been using that hammer for years
since making the repair and it is tight and holds together like new.
--------
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
425.440.9505 Office
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... |
Could it be that you have a bungee cord that is too large in
diameter, or too strong? When I built my first set of skis two years
ago, I wasn't sure what diameter cord to buy so I got 1/4, 5/16, 3/8
and 1/2. The 1/4" was stronger than the 5/16"...thanks, Aircraft
spruce. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 615.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Mar 17, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Andrew Matthaey wrote:
> Thanks Guy...Is that thermostat a 160 as opposed to the stock? I'm
> almost embarrassed to say that the 4 wraps was WITH a buddy! I
> guess I'll have to go and give it another shot then! What we did
> was wrap a knot around the loop and used that to pull the bungee
> through....didn't leave much room so maybe the screwdriver method
> will work...
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Safety Wire Repair Tool |
http://www.clamptitetools.com/ Watch the video in the instructions section.
Best price $27.50 http://www.gemplers.com/product/HC8/Clamptite-Tool-Standard-4-3-4
read about it on the Supercub.org http://www.supercub.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=17955&highlight=safety+wire+tool
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane solution |
About 1 degree out.
Floran Higgins
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Dill" <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:39 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane
solution
> <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
>
> Did you move it to exactly straight, or, as some have suggested, move it
> to 1 or 2 degrees toe out?
>
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> Jeff Dill
> Model 2
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| Subject: | Re: Safety Wire Repair Tool |
I saw something very similar to that in a GarrettWade catalog....
(lurker wishing he had a kitfox...)
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On Mar 17, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote:
> >
>
> The tool I used to fasten the two ends of a bungee cord together and
> for many other things I first saw at an air show but didn't buy it.
> Later I wished I had and then did a great deal of searching and
> found the source. Regretfully, I don't have that information easily
> at hand anymore.
>
> The first picture shows the tool and a broken hammer handle I fixed
> with it using safety wire.
>
> The next photo is a closeup of the safety wire repair. You can make
> as many wraps as you like. I made 6 wraps on bungee cords which is
> 12 strands. I think 3 wraps (6 strands) is plenty.
>
> The last photo is a scan of the instructions that came with the
> tool. The repair job was my first trial with the tool. I've been
> using that hammer for years since making the repair and it is tight
> and holds together like new.
>
> --------
> Paul A. Franz, P.E.
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
> 425.440.9505 Office
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235004#235004
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Safety Wire Repair Tool |
Oops. I screwed up the picture posting. Left off the instructions and somehow posted
two pictures of the same thing. Here's the instructions. Here they are.
--------
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
425.440.9505 Office
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... |
You're obviously a wizard, Larry. Question: are there pointy heads under th
e pointy hats? ;-)
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Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
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--- On Tue, 3/17/09, Larry Huntley <asq@roadrunner.com> wrote:
From: Larry Huntley <asq@roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps...
It is a snap! I will try to take pix of the proper tools and procedure. My
wife and I can install one six wraps in a lot less than 10 minutes.--
-- Larry Huntley
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps...
How long were those bungies Andrew? Relaxed, new ones should be 60" from-
loop to loop.-While 6 wraps-is a-knuckle-busting event-(no-place
for ladies or children)-it's do-able. Those who say it's a snap are freak
ing wizards in my estimation. ;-)
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
--- On Tue, 3/17/09, Andrew Matthaey <experimentalab@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Andrew Matthaey <experimentalab@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps...
#yiv328977114 #yiv2124973477 DIV {
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Thanks Guy...Is that thermostat a 160 as opposed to the stock? I'm almost e
mbarrassed to say that the 4 wraps was WITH a buddy! I guess I'll have to g
o and give it another shot then! What we did was wrap a knot around the loo
p and used that to pull the bungee through....didn't leave much room so may
be the screwdriver method will work...
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| Subject: | Re: Safety Wire Repair Tool |
That's a "clamp-tite" tool. Get 'em cheapest on e-bay. Handy device, once y
ou get the hang of using it.
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--- On Tue, 3/17/09, Paul A. Franz, P.E. <paul@eucleides.com> wrote:
From: Paul A. Franz, P.E. <paul@eucleides.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Safety Wire Repair Tool
<paul@eucleides.com>
The tool I used to fasten the two ends of a bungee cord together and for ma
ny
other things I first saw at an air show but didn't buy it. Later I wished I
had and then did a great deal of searching and found the source. Regretfull
y, I
don't have that information easily at hand anymore.
The first picture shows the tool and a broken hammer handle I fixed with it
using safety wire.
The next photo is a closeup of the safety wire repair. You can make as many
wraps as you like. I made 6 wraps on bungee cords which is 12 strands. I th
ink 3
wraps (6 strands) is plenty.
The last photo is a scan of the instructions that came with the tool. The
repair job was my first trial with the tool. I've been using that hammer fo
r
years since making the repair and it is tight and holds together like new.
--------
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
425.440.9505 Office
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The Cleveland's are 6 inch instead of 8.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Franz -
Merlin GT
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kingfox tires
<paul@eucleides.com>
On Mon, March 16, 2009 3:56 pm, Michael Logan wrote:
> I have a pair that I bought last year but can't find wheels to fit since I
> have the Cleveland wheels and brakes.
The wheels shown on Dick Maddux's 'Fox:
<http://forums.matronics.com/files/Kitfox_057_183.jpg>
Are certainly good looking and the tires seem to be a very pleasing low
profile shape.
Why won't they fit on your Cleveland wheels?
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Thermostat/Bungee wraps... |
At 03:55 AM 3/17/2009, you wrote:
>$150 for a Rotax unit? Was that a joke?
Not far off the mark. CPS has them for just over $120. It should be a joke.
I'm kind of intrigued by the 160F thermostat; I'd like my engine to
run hotter most of the time. If Leonard doesn't have cold seizure
problems using it in Alaska, nobody will.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 300 hrs. and counting
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| Subject: | Re: Kingfox tires |
At 04:37 AM 3/17/2009, you wrote:
>I don't think the tires will last all that long and I assume the
>little holes in them are wear holes.(ie: when the rubber gets to the
>bottom of the holes, chuck them)
Nah. They've got this stuff inside that looks like heavy cloth. When
that starts showing, that's when you chuck 'em. ;-)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 300 hrs. and counting
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| Subject: | Re: Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane solution |
At 06:07 AM 3/17/2009, you wrote:
>I think it is possible that I set myself up for some of that darting
>with a tailwheel that would over-control and redirect me instantly
>when I finally set the tailwheel down (more dual proved I was not as
>religious about planting that tailwheel as I should have been).
I doubt it. I've been running bone tight springs from the start with
no problem, and I'm certainly no tailwheel phenomenon. I'd like to
see some pictures of your tailwheel setup.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 300 hrs. and counting
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| Subject: | Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane solution |
I agree. My tailwheel has always been tight and I have had not problems.
The problem was probably toe-in on your main gear.
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wrecked a 2, 709, rudders, gear, two plane
solution
At 06:07 AM 3/17/2009, you wrote:
>I think it is possible that I set myself up for some of that darting
>with a tailwheel that would over-control and redirect me instantly
>when I finally set the tailwheel down (more dual proved I was not as
>religious about planting that tailwheel as I should have been).
I doubt it. I've been running bone tight springs from the start with
no problem, and I'm certainly no tailwheel phenomenon. I'd like to
see some pictures of your tailwheel setup.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 300 hrs. and counting
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