Kitfox-List Digest Archive

Thu 03/19/09


Total Messages Posted: 11



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 08:02 AM - Spam (Pat Reilly)
     2. 08:38 AM - FW: (patrick reilly)
     3. 11:29 AM - Re: Fuel overflow at startup (Jim Feldmann)
     4. 11:47 AM - Emailing: Kitfox reborn (1), Kitfox reborn (Larry Huntley)
     5. 11:48 AM - Emailing: repainted Fox 035 , Tires (Larry Huntley)
     6. 12:25 PM - Re: Fuel overflow at startup (Clint Bazzill)
     7. 03:49 PM - Torque values (fox5flyer)
     8. 04:22 PM - Re: Torque values (vetdrem)
     9. 04:26 PM - Remove from list (gary.algate@sandvik.com)
    10. 04:46 PM - Re: Torque values (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
    11. 10:42 PM - Re: Remove from list (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
 
 
 


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    Time: 08:02:53 AM PST US
    From: "Pat Reilly" <patreilly43@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Spam
    Kitfoxers, This morning I received replies from a number of people about a message that I had never seen or heard of. The message was from an AABC company for sales of electronic equipment. Somehow it was forwarded and sent through my computer to all addresses in my address book. I repeat I have never seen the message previously. Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL


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    Time: 08:38:28 AM PST US
    From: patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com>
    Subject: FW:
    From: patreilly43@hotmail.com Subject: Everybody=2C I did not forward or send you a message concerning an AABEC.co m company. I have never previously seen that message or heard of the compan y. Somehow it was sent through my computer to everyone in my address book. I hope it was a one time thing. Sorry Pat Reilly


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    Time: 11:29:21 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel overflow at startup
    From: "Jim Feldmann" <feldesign@earthlink.net>
    Clint: I found your discription and tried it. It did seem to make the start easier and smoother. Thank you. Pete: Here is a copy of Clint's latest version: [i]Hi All, I know that a lot of you have been using my start up procedures. It has worked for me a long time. I have worked out a lot beter sytem that has been in use by me for over 80 hours and it's great. Very similar to old one. 1) Ignition off 2) Throttle closed 3) Pull choke and crank engine for 3 or 4 seconds 4) Ignition on/ Open throttle 1 1/4 turns / Keep choke pulled and crank engine 5) Release choke after engine starts and warm up 3000 RPM's or so This system works very well, and the holding the choke does a little and stops false starts which happen on occasion.[/i] I also spoke to Dean Vogel at Lockwood and he recommended the Soft Start Module from Bullyhawk.com -------- Jim Feldmann, 3rd owner 1994 Kitfox IV Speedster / 912 Working on my Sport Pilot Certificate Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235249#235249


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    Time: 11:47:11 AM PST US
    From: "Larry Huntley" <asq@roadrunner.com>
    Subject: Emailing: Kitfox reborn (1), Kitfox reborn
    Kitfox N234EE flew again this AM for the first time since being "degeared" this past summer. Good to have air beneath me again. Larry Huntley ,Dundee,NY 4-1200, EA-81, Amax redrive, Warp drive,507 hrs The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Kitfox reborn (1) Kitfox reborn


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    Time: 11:48:29 AM PST US
    From: "Larry Huntley" <asq@roadrunner.com>
    Subject: Emailing: repainted Fox 035 , Tires
    Bob, These are the tires I am using. These are originals from 1992. Larry The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: repainted Fox 035


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    Time: 12:25:33 PM PST US
    From: Clint Bazzill <clint_bazzill@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Fuel overflow at startup
    Here is part of my check list. You can use as much as 10 sec of choke (no t really=2C enrichment) on cold mornings. Before Starting Engine Exterior Preflight COMPLETE Seat=2C Belts=2C Shoulder Harnesses-Adjust and LOCK. Fuel Shutoff Valve- On All switches. Breakers and avionics switch off Fuel Selector valve in the on position Cold Start Throttle at idle Ignition Switch A & B in off position Pull choke while engaging starter for 5 seconds Turn veneer throttle cw 1 =BC turns and wait 60 seconds Ignition A & B on Engage starter (Engine should start immediately then reduce engine rpm=92s to 2500 for warm up). If engine starts shaking=2C turn Ign A & B off immediately=2C wait 60 seconds and go to 3. (Cold Start) h. Check oil pressure=2C minimum 30 psi 15 seconds Hot Start Engine has been running and has been shut down for less then 20 minutes Throttle at idle Turn veneer throttle cw 1 =BC turns Ignition A & B on Engage starter (Engine should start immediately then reduce Engine rpm=92s to idle=2C ( 1500 and above). If engine starts shaking turn Ign A & B off immediately=2C wait 60 seconds and go to 3. (Cold Start) From: apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel overflow at startup Clint=2C I would be interested in your starting procedure and I did a searc h and did not find it except where you refer to it without details. Pete III 912 Grove ----- Original Message ----- From: Clint Bazzill Sent: Tuesday=2C March 17=2C 2009 12:09 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fuel overflow at startup Hi Jim=2C Check back on the threads on this list. My startup procedure will stop all that. Clint Model IV 1400 plus hours > Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel overflow at startup > From: feldesign@earthlink.net > Date: Tue=2C 17 Mar 2009 10:08:04 -0700 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > t> > > My 912 now runs very well at idle and throughout the rpm range=2C but it shakes violently for a second or so at startup. This causes fuel to be ejec ted from the vent tubes of the carburetors. > > I set the throttle at idle and use the starting carbs (choke) to start wh en cold=2C and just advance the throttle a little when hot. The shaking hap pens either way=2C but is worse when cold. Is there a better starting techn ique? > > I have seen recommendations to run the carb vent tubes into the aircleane rs. This might solve the problem of fuel being thrown around the engine com partment=2C but I am concerned about the effect of throwing the excess gas into the carb throats and/or washing the oil out of the aircleaners. > > Is this a normal condition? Has anyone been able to solve it? > > -------- > Jim Feldmann=2C 3rd owner > 1994 Kitfox IV Speedster / 912 > Working on my Sport Pilot Certificate > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234993#234993 > > > > > > > >====================== &g====== > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhr ef="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 03:49:04 PM PST US
    From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
    Subject: Torque values
    I'm preparing to reinstall my prop and I'm ready to torque the AN5-10 bolts. The torque values off the standard chart are for 180-220 inch lbs. The manual that came with the prop says 150 inch lbs. I'll probably go by the manual, but it makes me wonder about this big 40 inch lb spread on the chart values. When faced with a big spread, which way is the recommended direction to go. Go with the lesser, somewhere in between, or the higher number? Also, I'm using a crow foot adapter. Does that make any difference to the values? Inquiring minds would like to know... Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert


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    Time: 04:22:28 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Torque values
    From: "vetdrem" <vetdrem@hotmail.com>
    the reference chart is to be used when the manufacture has not provided a specific torque spec. Always use the manufactures recommendations if provided. A torque wrench is calibrated to be accurate when not using a crowsfoot, handle extension or any other modification to the tool. If you use a crowsfoot, you can mathematically convert the reading to take the added leverage provided by the crowsfoot into account, but be careful when doing that, mistakes are easy to make, and you could over torque the bolt very easily. Louie model 3 912ul altus, ar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=235295#235295


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    Time: 04:26:56 PM PST US
    Subject: Remove from list
    From: gary.algate@sandvik.com
    I am travelling for a while and want to remove myself from the list - can somebody remind me how to do that! Regards. Gary Algate GPLM Exploration Direct Ph: +61 (0)88179 5032 Office Ph: +61 (0)88276 7655 Cell Ph: +61 (0) 417 975 584 This e-mail is confidential and it is intended only for the addressees. Any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, kindly notify us immediately by telephone or e-mail and delete the message from your system. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which may arise as a result of the e-mail transmission.


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    Time: 04:46:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Torque values
    From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>
    On Thu, March 19, 2009 2:48 pm, Deke wrote: > I'm preparing to reinstall my prop and I'm ready to torque the AN5-10 bolts. The > torque values off the standard chart are for 180-220 inch lbs. The manual that came > with the prop says 150 inch lbs. The specification that accompanies the prop is the one most relevant. These torque settings are from engineering design. That said, the engineer usually specifies the torque allowed for the bolt so I would check with the prop manufacturer's engineering dept to make certain of their intentions. > I'll probably go by the manual, but it makes me > wonder about this big 40 inch lb spread on the chart values. When faced with a big > spread, which way is the recommended direction to go. Go with the lesser, somewhere > in between, or the higher number? Also, I'm using a crow foot adapter. Does that > make any difference to the values? Inquiring minds would like to know... If the crows foot is 90 deg to the wrench handle then it will not make a difference as long as you carefully push the handle on the center pivot. -- Paul A. Franz Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP Bellevue WA 425.241.1618 Cell "In Washington, one person's waste is another person's pork. Every dime spent by the federal government has well-connected advocates who swear the money is vital to the national interest. ... It's not that people in government aren't as good or competent as those in the private sector (though that may be true). The difference lies in the incentives and feedback they face. Bureaucracies have little check on what they do, no bottom line, no market prices for their 'output.' What they do have is an incentive to spend all the money budgeted or risk getting less next year. As Milton Friedman used to say, no one spends other people's money as carefully as he spends his own. It is absurd to think the humongous constellation of federal bureaucracies is going to identify and root out 'waste' in any significant way. It's just not in the nature of the beast." -- ABC's "20/20" co-anchor John Stossel In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other. -- Voltaire (1764)


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    Time: 10:42:49 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Remove from list
    From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>
    On Thu, March 19, 2009 3:26 pm, gary.algate@sandvik.com wrote: > I am travelling for a while and want to remove myself from the list - can > somebody remind me how to do that! Gary - have you recently read an e-mail from the Kitfox List? Every single one has this message appended. I'll quote it here but go to the end of this message and you'll see it has been added by the list software. List Un/Subscription, That's why I'm against wasting the space on the e-mail about this, people just get used to seeing it but never read it. So why bother? -- Paul A. Franz Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP Bellevue WA 425.241.1618 Cell The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. -- Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903) "These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman." -- Thomas Paine




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