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1. 03:26 AM - Re: Re: - now Compass Card (Lynn Matteson)
2. 05:36 AM - Re: Re: Near disaster (Lynn Matteson)
3. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: - now Compass Card (Noel Loveys)
4. 06:36 AM - Re: - now Compass Card (Tom Jones)
5. 07:43 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 03/26/09 (Kitfoxkirk)
6. 07:48 AM - Nsi Suburu ignition module failure (Paul Steger)
7. 08:04 AM - Re: V-Speed question and placard question (Weiss Richard)
8. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: - now Compass Card (Lowell Fitt)
9. 08:34 AM - Re: Nsi Suburu ignition module failure (fox5flyer)
10. 09:04 AM - Heads drag racin Kitfox Video (dave)
11. 09:11 AM - Re: Heads drag racin Kitfox Video (Weiss Richard)
12. 09:25 AM - Re: Near disaster (JetPilot)
13. 09:38 AM - Re: Re: Near disaster (fox5flyer)
14. 09:39 AM - Re: Heads UP - drag racing Kitfox Video (JetPilot)
15. 09:49 AM - Re: V-Speed question and placard question (Lynn Matteson)
16. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: Near disaster (Lynn Matteson)
17. 10:06 AM - Re: Heads drag racin Kitfox Video (Lynn Matteson)
18. 11:37 AM - Re: Near disaster (Roger Lee)
19. 11:38 AM - Re: Nsi Suburu ignition module failure (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
20. 11:51 AM - Re: FLOSS Fight Simulator (Michel Verheughe)
21. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: - now Compass Card (Noel Loveys)
22. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: Near disaster (Lowell Fitt)
23. 02:03 PM - Re: Re: Near disaster (Lynn Matteson)
24. 02:22 PM - Full Lotus FLoats, Safety warning video (dave)
25. 02:58 PM - Re: Nsi Suburu ignition module failure (Av8r3400)
26. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Nsi Suburu ignition module failure (Lynn Matteson)
27. 04:21 PM - 2 random questions (WurlyBird)
28. 04:44 PM - Re: Full Lotus FLoats, Safety warning video (akflyer)
29. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: Near disaster (paul wilson)
30. 05:16 PM - Re: Re: Near disaster (Noel Loveys)
31. 05:32 PM - Re: Heads drag racin Kitfox Video (Noel Loveys)
32. 06:49 PM - Re: Re: Near disaster (Lynn Matteson)
33. 06:56 PM - Re: Re: Near disaster (fox5flyer)
34. 07:37 PM - Re: 2 random questions (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
35. 07:38 PM - Re: Wing Strut Fairings (Cudnohufsky's)
36. 07:44 PM - Removing potting compound. (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
37. 11:01 PM - Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
38. 11:06 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: - now Compass Card |
When I flew to California, I followed I-10 from Hondo, Texas to Yucca
Valley, where I turned north, etc. When I say I use the GPS and the
chart, I use them for guidance, knowing I've got a lake coming up
here, a mountain there, or a town off to the left or right. My flight
instructor told me to use the fence rows and roads as a pretty good
guide for N-S and E-W, but when you get over Kentucky, all bets are
off, as everything down there is based on winding roads and wandering
fence rows.....easier to evade the ATF cops? I'm kidding, all you
Kentuckians, just kidding. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 622.1 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Mar 31, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> No GPS (I generally leave it in the car) and a pencil line with a
> 2H on the
> VNC. I usually mark the magnetic headings I'll use on the chart, (VFR
> Navigation Chart) but I fly by the track I visualize on the
> ground. I find
> when flying a compass bearing I fixate too much on the compass and not
> enough outside the plane. If I visualize a track on the ground
> then I spend
> a lot more time actually flying the plane as opposed to having the
> plane fly
> me... If you know what I mean. I also spend a lot more time
> looking for
> other traffic and enjoying the flight.
>
> One of the things I have noticed is the Canadian VNC show water but
> not
> islands in the ponds. Without the islands marked a lot of the
> ponds look
> completely different when flying over them. Road maps for some
> reason seem
> to have the islands showing so it is easier to locate ponds by
> shape with
> the islands in them.
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Near disaster |
Yikes! (to the thought of removing the finger strainers...that would
be tantamount to eliminating the oil filter because you found some
junk in it)
I've reported here before about being able to see the fuel presence
in both the glass filters, and the clear vent line, while descending,
and watching the fuel "level" in the vent line predict the eventual
turn-on of the low-fuel warning light...this is with low fuel in the
tanks, and the eventual unporting of the tanks. Seeing this, I was
able to flatten out the glide and restore fuel into the lines, the
light goes out, and all is well for another 15 minutes or so, while a
refueling station is sought out. : ) (Damn, just my luck that the
airborne refueling tankers are taking a coffee break)
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 622.1 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Mar 31, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> My set-up was exactly like Lynns, and will be the same in my new
> build. When descending once from the 10,000 ft necessary to clear
> the Sierras, I watched the fuel in the filters as the tanks drained
> to check the operation of my low fuel indicator. (Consider that I
> was in a 400 fpm descent that eventually unported the wing tanks).
> Shortly after the last of the flow passed the glass encased
> filters, the low fuel light came on. I can't count the number of
> times I looked at the filters to gauge fuel flow. It is sort of
> like the drip chamber in an IV. You can see flow of the fuel when
> low vs. just seeing the fuel in a transparent line and having no
> clue if it is moving.
>
> I respect rules and other's ideas, but wonder about removing a
> filter after it has caught something. I recall the original Kreem
> controversy when the Kreem came sheeting off one of the first
> Alaska flyers and clogged the finger strainer. All of a sudden
> there was talk on the list of removing the finger strainers to
> eliminate that problem.
>
> Lowell Fitt
> Cameron Park, CA
> Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
> building new
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 5:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Near disaster
>
>
>>
>> Just to throw in some more fodder for debate, I have 2 finger
>> strainers (one in each tank), and three filters....one in each
>> downline from the tank and before the header, and one after the
>> header. These filters are the Purolator glass filters in the
>> 5/16" fuel line size and since the first application of fuel into
>> the Kreemed fuel tanks, I haven't seen any crap in these filters.
>> Maybe that means I don't need all these filters, but I'm not
>> taking them out. My engine runs on gravity feed only. I have
>> removed all the pumps (engine mechanical, and back-up electric)
>> because the location of my carburetor is at a position where
>> gravity alone feeds all the fuel necessary. The reason I like the
>> filters in the down lines, is so that if I get a bad batch of
>> fuel, or dirt in the fuel I can see it immediately...the glass
>> filters are visible just above the top of the back of the seat,
>> and just below the two fuel shut-offs (for service only). My
>> system flows 12.3 gallons per hour if I recall correctly. I
>> should take another reading now that I've installed the Northstar
>> F210 fuel flow meter, and see what it says the flow rate is. When
>> I checked the flow rate before I installed the flow meter, it was
>> through the carb inlet. So that much fuel is getting through the
>> carb.
>>
>> p.s. I have all "rubber" fuel lines...automotive 30R7
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 622.1 hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Status: flying
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| Subject: | Re: - now Compass Card |
Around here they call the winding roads the way the cow came home.- If yo
u look at Newfoundland on Google Earth you will find most of our hills and
to an extent the ponds stretch roughly NNE/SSW with I think it is four majo
r ponds (lakes) flowing east west in the interior of the island.
Noel
--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: - now Compass Card
Received: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 7:55 AM
When I flew to California, I followed I-10 from Hondo, Texas to Yucca Valle
y, where I turned north, etc. When I say I use the GPS and the chart, I use
them for guidance, knowing I've got a lake coming up here, a mountain ther
e, or a town off to the left or right. My flight instructor told me to use
the fence rows and roads as a pretty good guide for N-S and E-W, but when y
ou get over Kentucky, all bets are off, as everything down there is based o
n winding roads and wandering fence rows.....easier to evade the ATF cops?
I'm kidding, all you Kentuckians, just kidding. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 622.1 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Mar 31, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> No GPS (I generally leave it in the car) and a pencil line with a 2H on t
he
> VNC. I usually mark the magnetic headings I'll use on the chart, (VFR
> Navigation Chart)- but I fly by the track I visualize on the ground.-
I find
> when flying a compass bearing I fixate too much on the compass and not
> enough outside the plane.- If I visualize a track on the ground then I
spend
> a lot more time actually flying the plane as opposed to having the plane
fly
> me... If you know what I mean.- I also spend a lot more time looking fo
r
> other traffic and enjoying the flight.
>
> One of the things I have noticed is the Canadian VNC show water but not
> islands in the ponds.- Without the islands marked a lot of the ponds lo
ok
> completely different when flying over them.- Road maps for some reason
seem
> to have the islands showing so it is easier to locate ponds by shape with
> the islands in them.
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Re: - now Compass Card |
Attached are some pictures of my navigation landmarks. When I see the big white
mountain I am heading west. When I see the jagged white mountain range I am
headed north. When I see the river canyon I am headed south. When I see the
wind mills I am headed east. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Do not archive
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 03/26/09 |
Roger,
Thanks for the information on the Kreem Weiss.
Just to clarify, the black stuff is not really a soot, it is more of a black
"mist" that is deposited on the inside of my intake manifolds. When I take
apart the carburetors, this wet black mist, is on the diaphragm and all
around inside the intake manifold. When a clean, white cloth is wiped inside
the intake manifold, it comes off real easy. Have you ever observed this in
an intake or carb diaphragm?
Thanks,
Kirk
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> 1. 07:46 AM - 912 charing problem. (Pete Christensen)
> 2. 08:19 AM - Re: 912 charing problem. (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
> 3. 03:04 PM - Re: Re-applying Kreem (Cudnohufsky's)
> 4. 06:56 PM - Door Strut Kit (Bryan Quinton)
> 5. 07:24 PM - Re: Door Strut Kit (Dee Young)
> 6. 08:22 PM - Re: Re-applying Kreem (Roger Lee)
> 7. 09:08 PM - Re: Door Strut Kit (Guy Buchanan)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:46:51 AM PST US
> From: "Pete Christensen" <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 charing problem.
>
> Can someone walk me through diagnosing a charging problem? Last week my
> volt meter was showing a charge between 25% and 50%. A couple days ago
> I went out to fly around the pattern to see if I could figure out the
> problem. On the ground it was showing 25% charge but in the air it was
> down in the red with no charge. What steps do I need to take to
> determine the cause?
>
>
> Pete
> III/912/Grove
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:19:27 AM PST US
> From: kerrjohna@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 charing problem.
>
> Not an unusual problem usually requiring the replacement of the voltage
> regulator.
> When mine failed it was intermittent, cutting short a trip in the back
> country
> of Idaho. I got outa Dodge without delay and had a wingman along side
> until
> reaching civilization, relatively, over Hailey. A 30-second conversation
> with Lockwood got a quick response and a new regulator, not cheap, on the
> way.
> No problem since.
>
> John Kerr
> Classic IV, 912ul, 875 hours
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Pete Christensen
>
>
> Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:44:16 +0000 (UTC)
>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: 912 charing problem.
>
>
> Can someone walk me
>
> through diagnosing a charging problem? Last week my volt meter was showing
>
> a charge between 25% and 50%. A couple days ago I went out to fly around
>
> the pattern to see if I could figure out the problem. On the ground it was
>
> showing 25% charge but in the air it was down in the red with no charge.
>
> What steps do I need to take to determine the cause?
>
>
> Pete
>
>
> III/912/Grove
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:04:05 PM PST US
> From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@Chartermi.net>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re-applying Kreem
>
> Kirk,
>
> Have you thought of maybe disconnecting your tanks and hooking in a temp to
> see if the engine problem clears up?
>
>
> Lloyd C
>
> Mod 5 912ul IVO IFA
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kitfoxkirk
> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:00 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re-applying Kreem
>
>
> Hello Kitfoxers again,
>
>
> I think I am going to re-slosh my fuel tanks. Does anybody have a procedure
> for this? The Kreem website is not specific to fiberglass tanks. They say
> to
> leave acetone in a steel tank for 24 hours to dissolve old Kreem, then
> re-coat with new Kreem. I think 24 hours would destroy a fiberglass tank.
>
>
> Also, where does one get a gas cap that can be used in the sloshing
> process?
>
>
> The reason I am going to re-slosh with new Kreem is that my Rotax 912 has
> been rough running for 5 years now. For the last 14 months, the entire
> plane
> was down with LEAF in southern WI. They tried everything to get this engine
> running smooth. Eric Tucker himself looked at this engine several times and
> he is stumped. I got the plane back, and started thinking of all the
> logical
> things that this could be. Then I remembered seeing a black mist like
> deposit on the inside of the intake manifold. LEAF said that it was just
> from running auto gas and that auto gas is not as clean as av-gas. But,
> when
> I asked some other Rotax service guy, he said that there should be nothing
> but clean gas in the intake manifold. So, I googled the subject, and on a
> boating website it stated that ethanol mixed with fiberglass fuel tanks can
> produce a black misty like tar under the carb, and that you cannot see the
> black mist in a fuel sample, nor will the filter stop it. Hence, I am going
> to re-slosh my tanks.
>
>
> I only use non-ethanol premium autogas, but you never know what you are
> getting from the gas station.
>
>
> Has anyone else seen any black mist-like deposits inside there intake
> manifold?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Kirk Martenson
>
> Classic IV Speedster
>
>
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> Checked by AVG.
> 5:58 PM
>
>
> Checked by AVG.
> 6:54 PM
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:56:21 PM PST US
> From: "Bryan Quinton" <bughntr@comcast.net>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Door Strut Kit
>
> I am getting ready to install a door strut kit on my model II. I was
> hoping to get some pictures and measurements from someone to simplify my
> installation. Does anyone have some pic's and measurement I could use?
> I am also interested in a possible back of door installation. Does
> anyone have pictures etc for this?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Bryan Quinton
> 582 Model II
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:24:59 PM PST US
> From: Dee Young <henrysfork1@msn.com>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Door Strut Kit
>
>
> I have a model II with door struts and would be glad to help if you like. I
> will have to take a couple of pictures and do some measuring. I will try t
> o get it done tomorrow for you.
>
>
> Dee Young
>
> Model II
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> From: bughntr@comcast.net
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Door Strut Kit
>
>
> I am getting ready to install a door strut kit on my model II. I was hoping
> to get some pictures and measurements from someone to simplify my installa
> tion. Does anyone have some pic's and measurement I could use? I am also i
> nterested in a possible back of door installation. Does anyone have picture
> s etc for this?
>
>
> Thanks=2C
> Bryan Quinton
> 582 Model II
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:22:46 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Re-applying Kreem
> From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
>
>
> You can use your same gas cap just wrap it in plastic wrap like you would
> food.
> I have Kreem Weiss in my tanks like all the Flight Design CT's and most of
> us
> use 91 octane with ethanol. Many CT's in the world use from 17%-24% ethanol
> and
> no issues with Kreem Weiss. None of us has had any problems for 3 years.
> Kreem
> Weiss is pretty impervious to just about anything. You may want to take
> another
> look at some other component. I just re-sloshed a tank and only rinsed it
> with acetone. Then just re-coat with the Kreem Weiss. Worked perfect. I
> have
> been a Rotax service center for a while and the only black soot around the
> exhaust
> is usually too rich a mixture.
> I think I might do as Lloyd suggested and hook up an independent fuel
> supply first
> and see if the problem continues. I just can't see it being the Kreem
> unless
> there is something else in your tank.
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Service Center
> 520-574-1080
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236319#236319
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:08:24 PM PST US
> From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Door Strut Kit
>
> At 06:58 PM 3/26/2009, you wrote:
> >Does anyone have some pic's and measurement I could use? I am also
> >interested in a possible back of door installation. Does anyone have
> >pictures etc for this?
>
> I have some information now. Pictures later. First is the geometry.
> Note that my struts are at the back of the door. The upper attachment
> is 5.16" out the door, the lower is 13.66" down the frame tube. (Both
> measured from the pivot centerline.) The strut centerline is offset 1
> 5/16" from the tube's centerlines. The gas strut is 8.5" long closed,
> 12" long fully extended, with a 4" throw.
>
>
> []
>
>
> These are drawings of my strut attachments. I bought the tabs and
> balls from Guden and welded them to pieces of tube which were then
> pop-riveted to the airframe and door frame. The pictures show the
> tabs and struts bought from Guden.
>
> []
>
>
> []
> []
>
>
> I don't have any more pictures, for some reason, but will try to
> remember to take some tomorrow.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 300 hrs. and counting
>
>
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| Subject: | Nsi Suburu ignition module failure |
My worst fear has come true. I lost one of the ignition modules from out-o
f-business NSI and now have only single ignition. Does anyone know if any
of these modules are available from anyone? Were they a custom designed pa
rt from NSI=2C or an off-the shelf item? It appears that they took some el
ectronic components and then totally encased them in epoxy=2C so repair or
even seeing what's inside there is impossible. Any help would be appreciat
ed. Paul
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| Subject: | Re: V-Speed question and placard question |
Paul,
I finally found the reference I was looking for. I have the POH for
the Series 5 aircraft. It lists various speeds some of which you will
determine/verify during flight test and others that are limitations.
Although these are for a Series V, they are for 1200 and 1400 pound
aircraft gross weights so they may be usable as a ballpark for your
model IV. (The 1200 lbs gross is for the clipped wing version.) All
speeds are for a 912 Rotax and all speeds are in miles per hour.
Vne = 140
Vfe = 80
Va 1200 lbs = 107
Va 1400 lbs = 109
Vno = 120
Vy 1200 lbs = 65
Vy 1400 lbs = 70
Vx 1200 lbs = 63
Vx 1400 lbs = 64
Vso 1200 lbs = 46
Vso 1400 lbs = 48
Hope this helps.
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
On Mar 29, 2009, at 1:48 PM, teresa, paul morel wrote:
> Hi
> Does anyone have a list of the V-Speeds for a 912 Kitfox Speedster?
> Do I need to placard my panel with these speeds?
> What other placards are required or "nice to have" on the panel?
>
> I'm in the process of making my decals for the panel and don't
> want to find that I missed something after I clear coat.
> Thanks
> Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: - now Compass Card |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 5:34 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: - now Compass Card
>
> Attached are some pictures of my navigation landmarks. When I see the big
> white mountain I am heading west. When I see the jagged white mountain
> range I am headed north. When I see the river canyon I am headed south.
> When I see the wind mills I am headed east. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Do
> not archive
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237194#237194
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/west_378.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/north_238.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/south_192.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/east_144.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Nsi Suburu ignition module failure |
Paul, they're made by Electromotive and I think they're called HPV-1
modules and are used on race cars. More than likely your module is OK,
just one of the coils has probably gone bad. They're just standard GM
coils available anywhere.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Steger
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:47 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Nsi Suburu ignition module failure
My worst fear has come true. I lost one of the ignition modules from
out-of-business NSI and now have only single ignition. Does anyone know
if any of these modules are available from anyone? Were they a custom
designed part from NSI, or an off-the shelf item? It appears that they
took some electronic components and then totally encased them in epoxy,
so repair or even seeing what's inside there is impossible. Any help
would be appreciated. Paul
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| Subject: | Heads drag racin Kitfox Video |
I don't see anyone here posting videos on promoting how well Kitfoxes perform.
Me and Gary once again will show you how your Kitfox should kick butt.
We did a head;s up take off my 582 versus his 912 s Kitfox. I weigh about
40 lbs more than Gary but his 912s weighs about 40 lbs more than mine. Other
than that we pretty close on weights, I do have VGs and he has a ultrasmooth Aerothane
paint job and might be a bit heavier there. Who knows.
You will see similar take off runs with different pilot technique but once both
off the 912s outclimbs my 582. In crusie he will out cruise me by about 15
mph or so.
you 912 UL drivers should consider doing the http://www.bullyhawk.com/index.htm UPGRADE . for under 9k you will get about 35 HP More .
Are you happy with your performance ? LEt's se how your fox compares - post a
video ...........
I posted here http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=99
--------
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http://www.cfisher.com/
Awesome *New Forum *
http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/
Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
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| Subject: | Re: Heads drag racin Kitfox Video |
Too Cool!
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
On Apr 1, 2009, at 12:03 PM, dave wrote:
>
> I don't see anyone here posting videos on promoting how well
> Kitfoxes perform.
>
> Me and Gary once again will show you how your Kitfox should kick butt.
>
> We did a head;s up take off my 582 versus his 912 s Kitfox. I
> weigh about 40 lbs more than Gary but his 912s weighs about 40 lbs
> more than mine. Other than that we pretty close on weights, I do
> have VGs and he has a ultrasmooth Aerothane paint job and might be a
> bit heavier there. Who knows.
>
> You will see similar take off runs with different pilot technique
> but once both off the 912s outclimbs my 582. In crusie he will out
> cruise me by about 15 mph or so.
>
> you 912 UL drivers should consider doing the http://www.bullyhawk.com/index.htm
> UPGRADE . for under 9k you will get about 35 HP More .
>
> Are you happy with your performance ? LEt's se how your fox
> compares - post a video ...........
>
> I posted here http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=99
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> http://www.cfisher.com/
> Awesome *New Forum *
> http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/
> Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the
> truth
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237221#237221
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Near disaster |
I think this fuel system setup will be best, and is how I plan on building my Kitfox.
I don't want to rely on a little gravity pressure to drive fuel through
a filter, so I will not do that that with this system. Finger strainers in
the tanks , then fuel lines to a T at the bottom of the airplane where it will
go into the header tank. After the header tank have the gascolator at the low
point ( has a pretty fine screen built in ). Then from gascolator to the Electric
Facet fuel pump, then to a 10 Micron Stainless Steel Mesh filter the to
the engine driven fuel pump then to the carbs.
Any thoughts and comments on this setup would be appreciated.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Near disaster |
Why the gascolator? Seems redundant to me. Your header tank is already
filling that square. The rest sounds good.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:24 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Near disaster
>
> I think this fuel system setup will be best, and is how I plan on building
> my Kitfox. I don't want to rely on a little gravity pressure to drive
> fuel through a filter, so I will not do that that with this system.
> Finger strainers in the tanks , then fuel lines to a T at the bottom of
> the airplane where it will go into the header tank. After the header tank
> have the gascolator at the low point ( has a pretty fine screen built
> in ). Then from gascolator to the Electric Facet fuel pump, then to a 10
> Micron Stainless Steel Mesh filter the to the engine driven fuel pump then
> to the carbs.
>
> Any thoughts and comments on this setup would be appreciated.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237226#237226
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heads UP - drag racing Kitfox Video |
Neat video to show the performance of two different engines, the 912 looks like
it was climbing about twice as fast as the 582... The ground run looked about
the same.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: V-Speed question and placard question |
From my POH published by Skystar, revision date of 19 July 1994, it
says for the Speedster:
Vne 140 mph
Vfe 70 mph
Vno 108 mph
These are printed on pages 2-6 and 2-7 under "Airspeed Limitations"
On these two pages, there have been applied stickers which obviously
are meant to supersede something which was printed there before.
Master sleuth that I am though, I was able to hold the pages up to
the light and see that there were no changes to the Speedster's numbers.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 622.1 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Apr 1, 2009, at 10:59 AM, Weiss Richard wrote:
> Paul,
>
> I finally found the reference I was looking for. I have the POH
> for the Series 5 aircraft. It lists various speeds some of which
> you will determine/verify during flight test and others that are
> limitations. Although these are for a Series V, they are for 1200
> and 1400 pound aircraft gross weights so they may be usable as a
> ballpark for your model IV. (The 1200 lbs gross is for the clipped
> wing version.) All speeds are for a 912 Rotax and all speeds are
> in miles per hour.
>
> Vne = 140
> Vfe = 80
> Va 1200 lbs = 107
> Va 1400 lbs = 109
> Vno = 120
> Vy 1200 lbs = 65
> Vy 1400 lbs = 70
> Vx 1200 lbs = 63
> Vx 1400 lbs = 64
> Vso 1200 lbs = 46
> Vso 1400 lbs = 48
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Rick Weiss
> N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
> SkyStar S/N 1
> Port Orange, FL
>
>
> On Mar 29, 2009, at 1:48 PM, teresa, paul morel wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> Does anyone have a list of the V-Speeds for a 912 Kitfox Speedster?
>> Do I need to placard my panel with these speeds?
>> What other placards are required or "nice to have" on the panel?
>>
>> I'm in the process of making my decals for the panel and don't
>> want to find that I missed something after I clear coat.
>> Thanks
>> Paul
>> tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List cs.com matronics.com/
>> contribution
>>
>
> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
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| Subject: | Re: Near disaster |
Why have a T before you go into the header tank? My header tank
(factory supplied, via Deke...I still owe you a beer or 12, Deke) has
two inlets, and I used them both. With a T before the header, you
have just cut in half the probability that fuel will be able to enter
the header tank.....slim chance of something getting into there and
clogging the down leg of the T, but Mr. Murphy will see to it that it
does.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 622.1 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Apr 1, 2009, at 12:24 PM, JetPilot wrote:
>
> I think this fuel system setup will be best, and is how I plan on
> building my Kitfox. I don't want to rely on a little gravity
> pressure to drive fuel through a filter, so I will not do that that
> with this system. Finger strainers in the tanks , then fuel lines
> to a T at the bottom of the airplane where it will go into the
> header tank. After the header tank have the gascolator at the low
> point ( has a pretty fine screen built in ). Then from gascolator
> to the Electric Facet fuel pump, then to a 10 Micron Stainless
> Steel Mesh filter the to the engine driven fuel pump then to the
> carbs.
>
> Any thoughts and comments on this setup would be appreciated.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
> as you could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237226#237226
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heads drag racin Kitfox Video |
You seem to be covering that pretty much all by yourself.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 622.1 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Apr 1, 2009, at 12:03 PM, dave wrote:
>
> I don't see anyone here posting videos on promoting how well
> Kitfoxes perform.
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| Subject: | Re: Near disaster |
Hi Mike,
You shouldn't run your electric pump in series with the mechanical pump. It should
be in parallel. This set up was just one of the reasons Rotax had that fuel
pump recall. As carb internal parts wear you may get fuel leakage too. I just
went through this with another pilot with a pump in series and he had over
flow problems caused by pressure. It is recommended to be parallel. When I had
my dual pump set up (in parallel) I only used the electric if I would have ever
had a fuel issue. I put 960 hrs. on that Rotax 912ULS and never a miss on the
engine. I have a high wing fuel tank setup now so I don't use or need an electric
pump. Pumps fail open. Several aircraft Mfg's. that have duel pumps now
have set them up in parallel. In parallel will still be a good system, but without
any headaches.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: Nsi Suburu ignition module failure |
On Wed, April 1, 2009 6:47 am, Paul Steger wrote:
> It appears that they took some electronic components and then totally encased
> them in epoxy, so repair or even seeing what's inside there is impossible. Any
help
> would be appreciated. Paul
I don't believe that stuff is epoxy. It is called "potting compound". It is removable
by either melting with heat or a solvent. Google is your friend.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free,
... it expects what never was and never will be.
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| Subject: | RE: FLOSS Fight Simulator |
> From: Paul Franz - Merlin GT [paul@eucleides.com]
> Here's a pretty impressive Flight Simulator called Flight Gear.
I know Flight Gear since 1998, Paul. At the time its authors wanted to get Austin
Meyer, the creator of X-Plane, in a joint venture where Meyer made the flight
model and Flight Gear, the scenery. But it never came to something, Mr. Meyer
is a gifted but maverick programmer.
Good to hear they are still in business. Let us know how you find the simulator.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200, not flying since last autumn.
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| Subject: | Re: - now Compass Card |
That white mountain is a lovely land mark!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:04 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: - now Compass Card
Attached are some pictures of my navigation landmarks. When I see the big
white mountain I am heading west. When I see the jagged white mountain
range I am headed north. When I see the river canyon I am headed south.
When I see the wind mills I am headed east. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Do
not archive
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Near disaster |
Mike,
It sounds a little bit complicated to me.
I like the filters between the wing tanks and the header tank for the simple
reason that if a filter clogs - both clog as a worst case scenario, I still
should have 30 or so minutes of flying time after the low fuel indicator
flashes. I had no other filters down stream from that. My early Model IV
had the high mounted header tank so the gascolator was included in the
system. I checked it at annual and never found anything (eight years).
Likely this time, the glass Puralator filters between the wing tank and
header tank will again be the only filters in the system. I can't imagine
foreign material getting past the filters and into a closed system.
The only thing I recall from times past is that the fuel shut off valve
Skystar sent with the kit had "O" ring seals and the early ones were not
fuel friendly and some problems occurred then that a filter would correct
down stream from that. The new "O"rings are now compatable.
I was prepared to mention that I had 909 hours with no fuel related
problems, but that would not be completely accurate as I replaced the engine
compartment fuel lines once and in tightening the clamps around the fire
sleeve, I got a bit rambunctious and pinched off the fuel line a bit. It
idled fine, but I sucked the float bowls dry after about 100 ft. of climb
and had to nurse it a bit to do the return to land downwind - the engine
never quit.
One more thing regarding the finger strainers. At annual, I once found a
piece of black rubber approximately the size of half a pencil erasor in one
wing rank after removing the finger strainer for inspection. It was the
perfect size to be sucked into the fuel line and completerly blocking it
off - a total non issue with the finger strainers in place. I presumed it
came from a piece of debris introduced into the fuel during airport fuel
system maintenance as every gallon of mogas from home went through a Mr.
Filter.
Earlier in this thread mention was made of vapor lock. It is possible to
get a similar problem in the lines from the wing tanks to the header tank.
Make sure they are consistantly running down hill especially at the point of
the excess that allows for wing folding. A slight uphill run can trap air
and the bubble will hinder fuel flow.
Aux. fuel pumps? Mine was in series and just below the header tank. It
helped a bit with the fire sleeve incident, and other than that, I seldome
used it. That said, the on switch was mounted just to the right of the
throttle and I could hit it without moving my hand from the throttle. It
will be in series again. I don't want loops and check valves in the system.
Keep in mind that the Bing carburetors don't want much fuel pressure and the
Facet pumps are available in a 4 psi. unit. I don't understand the physics,
but somehow the extra 4 psi. boost never caused a problem as it loaded the
engine mounted fuel pump. Get the big one and you will be flooding the
engine for sure.
This could go on and on with old wisdom, but don't use teflon tape, and if
using a sealing compound like Fuel Lube, make sure it is used minimally as a
chunk of this stuff could clog jets if it gets into the system, as it simply
won't dissolve in fuel.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:24 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Near disaster
>
> I think this fuel system setup will be best, and is how I plan on building
> my Kitfox. I don't want to rely on a little gravity pressure to drive
> fuel through a filter, so I will not do that that with this system.
> Finger strainers in the tanks , then fuel lines to a T at the bottom of
> the airplane where it will go into the header tank. After the header tank
> have the gascolator at the low point ( has a pretty fine screen built
> in ). Then from gascolator to the Electric Facet fuel pump, then to a 10
> Micron Stainless Steel Mesh filter the to the engine driven fuel pump then
> to the carbs.
>
> Any thoughts and comments on this setup would be appreciated.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237226#237226
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Near disaster |
Another thing to keep in mind when running a fuel system.....if at
all possible, use a "bulbed" fuel fitting instead of the barbed
fittings. The bulbed (my term) type have a rounded hump that the hose
slides over, and it is able to be pulled off without shearing off
rubber from the inside of the hose. You might have to shop around to
find them, but it's time well spent.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 622.1 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
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| Subject: | Full Lotus FLoats, Safety warning video |
If you use full lotus Floats you had better watch this
http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=100
_________________
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| Subject: | Re: Nsi Suburu ignition module failure |
>From pouring hundreds of gallons of different potting compounds for my work, I
can attest that more likely any heat or solvent that would soften/remove this
compound will destroy any electronics contained in it. That is it's primary
function, protection from contaminates and vibration.
--------
Thanks,
Av8r3400
Currently between planes, but not for long...
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| Subject: | Re: Nsi Suburu ignition module failure |
....and maybe prying eyes?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 622.1 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Apr 1, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Av8r3400 wrote:
>
>> That is it's primary function, protection from contaminates and
>> vibration.
>
> --------
> Thanks,
> Av8r3400
>
> Currently between planes, but not for long...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237294#237294
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| Subject: | 2 random questions |
1. Is there a pattern any where to use if you want to sew a new interior?
2. Is it possible to fit one of the not round (not sure what it is called) engine
cowling onto a Model 3?
--------
James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
Soloed the Kitfox yesterday!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Full Lotus FLoats, Safety warning video |
LOL.. this is old news Dave. It is called condensation.. You want to get rid
of the issue, fill them with an inert gas. Water does not "leak" into the bladders,
water from the compressed air is introduced to them. Has he used a water
trap on his air pump every time he fills them.. of course not. Neither do
I. I know a guy that dumped about 15 gallons out of his after he did not bother
to check them for 5 years on a set of 2250's. I check and drain mine every
season.
Another issue he may have in the future. Does he have the old zipper style hull
caps? if so, did he lace them up with the cord supplied by full lotus years
ago? I think it was about 8 or 10 years ago) when they had the issue with them.
We came in for a landing with them on a PA 12 and the right hull cap separated
from the hull starting at the front... that is a full on attention getter
right there. Thought we were gonna go over. Turns out the sewing was not real
good and there were areas that the stitching ran off the zipper and hull cap,
then would weave back on to it. The fix full lotus came up with at the time
was to lace the caps on so the zipper was the primary fastening and the lacing
was backup if the zipper gave way. They have since re-designed and now bolt
the hull caps on.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
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| Subject: | Re: Near disaster |
Proper name is Beaded tube end. Look in the catalogs and see beading
tools. Never use barbed fittings as you said. If you made that
mistake cut the hose off . Do not pull it off.
Lots of shops both auto and aircraft probably have beader in their
tool collection.
Another advantage is the beaded soft AL tubing can be hand bent to
point is a most desirable direction that a barbed fitting cannot deal with.
Paul
========
At 12:59 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote:
>
>Another thing to keep in mind when running a fuel system.....if at
>all possible, use a "bulbed" fuel fitting instead of the barbed
>fittings. The bulbed (my term) type have a rounded hump that the hose
>slides over, and it is able to be pulled off without shearing off
>rubber from the inside of the hose. You might have to shop around to
>find them, but it's time well spent.
>
>
>Lynn Matteson
>Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>Jabiru 2200, #2062, 622.1 hrs
>Sensenich 62x46
>Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>Status: flying
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Near disaster |
I don't know about your header tank but mine doesn't have a drip on it that
drains from the bottom. In fact my header has an almost flat bottom which
would be hard to put an efficient drip into. The gascolator on the other
hand drips forn the lowest point, and it is just about a point, in the fuel
delivery system. It has a glass bowl which is easy to inspect for any
sediment that may get through the finger strainers. And the header tank.
If any is seen it's easy to cut the wire and clean both the screen and the
bowl. Personally speaking I think the gascolator is a great, simple and
useful device to have in the fuel system.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Near disaster
Why the gascolator? Seems redundant to me. Your header tank is already
filling that square. The rest sounds good.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:24 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Near disaster
>
> I think this fuel system setup will be best, and is how I plan on building
> my Kitfox. I don't want to rely on a little gravity pressure to drive
> fuel through a filter, so I will not do that that with this system.
> Finger strainers in the tanks , then fuel lines to a T at the bottom of
> the airplane where it will go into the header tank. After the header tank
> have the gascolator at the low point ( has a pretty fine screen built
> in ). Then from gascolator to the Electric Facet fuel pump, then to a 10
> Micron Stainless Steel Mesh filter the to the engine driven fuel pump then
> to the carbs.
>
> Any thoughts and comments on this setup would be appreciated.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237226#237226
>
>
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| Subject: | Heads drag racin Kitfox Video |
Problem I have is that when I go flying I have to go to a pond to launch the
plane than I'm alone with no one to take the pictures.
Still lots of snow here and I'm working on extending the nose piece for my
cowl to cover the 912.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Heads drag racin Kitfox Video
You seem to be covering that pretty much all by yourself.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 622.1 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Apr 1, 2009, at 12:03 PM, dave wrote:
>
> I don't see anyone here posting videos on promoting how well
> Kitfoxes perform.
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| Subject: | Re: Near disaster |
I was referring to the brass fittings that have the smooth rounded
hump, not the aluminum tubing to which the beading tool is applied.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 622.1 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Apr 1, 2009, at 7:35 PM, paul wilson wrote:
>
> Proper name is Beaded tube end. Look in the catalogs and see
> beading tools. Never use barbed fittings as you said. If you made
> that mistake cut the hose off . Do not pull it off.
> Lots of shops both auto and aircraft probably have beader in their
> tool collection.
> Another advantage is the beaded soft AL tubing can be hand bent to
> point is a most desirable direction that a barbed fitting cannot
> deal with.
> Paul
> ========
> At 12:59 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote:
>>
>> Another thing to keep in mind when running a fuel system.....if at
>> all possible, use a "bulbed" fuel fitting instead of the barbed
>> fittings. The bulbed (my term) type have a rounded hump that the hose
>> slides over, and it is able to be pulled off without shearing off
>> rubber from the inside of the hose. You might have to shop around to
>> find them, but it's time well spent.
>>
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 622.1 hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Status: flying
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Near disaster |
My mistake, Noel. I forgot that the early headers didn't have a sump drain.
In your case and others without the sump drain, then gascolator is a good
plan. Of course, just my opinion and others will vary.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:46 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Near disaster
>
> I don't know about your header tank but mine doesn't have a drip on it
> that
> drains from the bottom. In fact my header has an almost flat bottom which
> would be hard to put an efficient drip into. The gascolator on the other
> hand drips forn the lowest point, and it is just about a point, in the
> fuel
> delivery system. It has a glass bowl which is easy to inspect for any
> sediment that may get through the finger strainers. And the header tank.
> If any is seen it's easy to cut the wire and clean both the screen and the
> bowl. Personally speaking I think the gascolator is a great, simple and
> useful device to have in the fuel system.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:08 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Near disaster
>
>
> Why the gascolator? Seems redundant to me. Your header tank is already
> filling that square. The rest sounds good.
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
> progress."
> - Joseph Joubert
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:24 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Near disaster
>
>
>>
>> I think this fuel system setup will be best, and is how I plan on
>> building
>
>> my Kitfox. I don't want to rely on a little gravity pressure to drive
>> fuel through a filter, so I will not do that that with this system.
>> Finger strainers in the tanks , then fuel lines to a T at the bottom of
>> the airplane where it will go into the header tank. After the header
>> tank
>
>> have the gascolator at the low point ( has a pretty fine screen built
>> in ). Then from gascolator to the Electric Facet fuel pump, then to a 10
>> Micron Stainless Steel Mesh filter the to the engine driven fuel pump
>> then
>
>> to the carbs.
>>
>> Any thoughts and comments on this setup would be appreciated.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> --------
>> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
>> could have !!!
>>
>> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237226#237226
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 2 random questions |
In answer to your second question=2C I didn't get a cowl with my Kitfox 4
unfinished kit=2C and I didn't like the way the round cowl sticks up so hig
h (my Avid MK IV is way lower and easier to see over) so I found an Avid MK
IV cowl and will use it on my Kitfox 4. I will have to do some fiberglass
work=2C but that's okey by me. I think you can get a "Smooth Cowl" from
Kitfox that is way lower than the round cowl also. Jim Chuk Avids Kitfox
4 Mn
> Subject: Kitfox-List: 2 random questions
> From: james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil
> Date: Wed=2C 1 Apr 2009 16:20:39 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
mil>
>
> 1. Is there a pattern any where to use if you want to sew a new interior?
>
> 2. Is it possible to fit one of the not round (not sure what it is called
) engine cowling onto a Model 3?
>
> --------
> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
> Soloed the Kitfox yesterday!!!
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237309#237309
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Wing Strut Fairings |
Lowell,
Thanks for the feedback, that is pretty much the process I am using other
than beginning with an automotive DA Sander.
Lloyd
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing Strut Fairings
Lloyd,
I sanded them off with a belt sander then finer sand paper, then used a
sanding primer (maybe a bit of spot putty first) and painted right over
them - no lines.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@Chartermi.net>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:44 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Strut Fairings
>
> All,
> The wing struts for my Model 5 have the PVC fairings, the end that
> attaches
> to the fuselage has the aft fairing squared off and covered with fabric
> and
> then the gap between them covered with sheet aluminum. I decided I wanted
> to
> block out all the extrusion lines in the PVC fairings so I removed the
> fabric and the aluminum and found all the gaps in that area filled with
> bondo, which I have removed. Is the bondo thing normal? I do not have the
> instructions for the install of the struts so I was wondering what others
> have done and what others have seen for a finished weight for a strut with
> the PVC fairings? What have other used for fairings besides the PVC?
>
> Lloyd C
> UP Mi.
> Mod 5 912ul
> IVO IFA
>
> Checked by AVG.
> 8:05 PM
>
>
>
Checked by AVG.
4:56 PM
Checked by AVG.
1:05 PM
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| Subject: | Removing potting compound. |
On Wed, April 1, 2009 1:58 pm, Av8r3400 wrote:
>>From pouring hundreds of gallons of different potting compounds for my work,
I can
>> attest that more likely any heat or solvent that would soften/remove this compound
>> will destroy any electronics contained in it. That is it's primary function,
>> protection from contaminates and vibration.
As I said before, the two methods for removal are heat and solvents. People have
been
successful with various concoctions of nasty solvents and some clever ways to induce
them into the tiny air pockets within the potting.
First here's two briefs on a patented potting removal processes:
<http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5879468.html>
<http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5879468/description.html>
Here's how a clever Aussie got the potting out of a CDI system.
<http://www.rg500.net/HTML/marc02/index.html>
Patience! That appears to be required.
You can get it cold enough to break the brittle potting out or you can use solvent.
These guys even have a link to the solvent they bought and used successfully.
<http://www.pottingsolutions.com/my%20site/Technology/potting_hints.htm#remove%20the%20potting%20material>
But as AV8R3400 said (no apparent name in the posting)
Removing the potting is a tough or nearly impossible job. This guy did enough so
he
could simply identify the components and dump the EPROMs then rebuild with new
parts.
Good photos and description though. He says: "The chemicals needed to perform epoxy
removal are pretty nasty stuff... things like methylene chloride and perchloroethane,
and formic acid. I did buy some epoxy stripper from McMaster Carr, but I did not
use
it here."
<http://www.tripoint.org/kevtris/Projects/votraxpss/unpot.html>
Apparently there are three broad classifications of potting compounds which may
all be
thermosetting resins but possibly the polyurethane type is thermoplastic.
1) Silicone
2) Epoxy
3) Polyurethane
As I said before, "Google is your friend"!
<http://preview.tinyurl.com/d4ew8q>
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
Finagle's Second Law:
No matter what the anticipated result, there will always be
someone eager to (a) misinterpret it, (b) fake it, or (c) believe it
happened according to his own pet theory.
hangover, n.:
The wrath of grapes.
"In matters of principle, stand like a rock; in matters of taste, swim with
the current."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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