---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/03/09: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:15 AM - Re: Oil injection conversion (dave) 2. 04:21 AM - King Fox Tire Production Run - Pre Order NOW (Kevin Ridsdale) 3. 07:28 AM - Re: Re: Oil injection conversion (Guy Buchanan) 4. 07:38 AM - Re: Kingfox tires (WurlyBird) 5. 09:39 AM - Re: Oil injection conversion (akflyer) 6. 09:42 AM - Re: Kingfox tires (akflyer) 7. 12:10 PM - Re: Oil injection conversion (dave) 8. 03:51 PM - Master Solenoid Hot to Touch (Ken Potter) 9. 04:50 PM - Re: Master Solenoid Hot to Touch (Tom Jones) 10. 04:57 PM - Re: Oil injection conversion (Tom Jones) 11. 05:19 PM - Re: Kingfox tires (Tom Jones) 12. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: Kingfox tires (Roger Standley) 13. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: Kingfox tires (Brian Morissette) 14. 06:40 PM - Re: Oil injection conversion (dave) 15. 07:39 PM - Re: Oil injection conversion (Tom Jones) 16. 07:50 PM - Citgo sea and snow oil (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:30 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oil injection conversion From: "dave" Here is more info on oils i complied recently http://www.cfisher.com/oildebate.html -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ Awesome *New Forum * http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237492#237492 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:25 AM PST US From: Kevin Ridsdale Subject: Kitfox-List: King Fox Tire Production Run - Pre Order NOW Everyone, After several request, MiPPi Ultralights is considering a production run of the King Fox Tundra Tire 21 x 12 x 8. These are the same tire the avaition and Ultralight community has grown to love and trust. The cost for a set (2) tires will be $70.00 USF plus shipping. To estimate your shipping cost go to either Fed EX or USPS shipping from zip code 48150, box size 20 x 20 x 12, weight 22 lbs. All orders must be pre-ordered with a $10.00 USF deposit (paypal payment) required at the time of ordering. We are planning our production run for April 20 and the tires will be ready to ship at the in May 2009. Please forward this email to your fellow flyers. Mippi Ultralights will need to accumulate a order of 500 tires to justify the production run. Kevin s. Ridsdale - Mippi Ultralights Phone after 5:00 PM EST 734-377-2670 ksridsdale@mipowerparachute.com or ksridsdale@yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:08 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Oil injection conversion At 05:12 PM 4/2/2009, you wrote: >We have been running the citgo sea and snow oil for 15+ years in >sleds and for the last 2 years in the 582. I normally go through ~ >40 gallons of oil a year in the sled and planes. We tore a 582 down >after 250 hrs using this oil with no wear or carbon present. The >oil sells for 12-14 bucks a gallon. Leonard, I can't believe we've been hashing this oil thing for years and this is the first time you've mentioned this great option. I've been having a hard time getting my Pennzoil and have been looking for a replacement for a year. If I can get this locally it might be the one. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 300 hrs. and counting Do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:40 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kingfox tires From: "WurlyBird" I have been considering getting new tires because I do not like the way the ones installed are wearing. I can not find any of the tires mentioned on this thread on any of the websites mentioned on this thread. Can someone help? I did find some Nanco 21x12-8 Slick ATV tires, will these work as well? The price is certainly hard to beat. -------- James Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop Soloed the Kitfox yesterday!!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237518#237518 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:29 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oil injection conversion From: "akflyer" My brother was running the pennziol air cooled in his for about 50 hrs. We pulled it down for a decarbon and the rings were close to stuck, with carbon on the heads and piston domes. I talked him into switching to the sea and snow and when we pulled it down after 250 hrs, there was nothing to clean. I have tried to stay out of the oil issue as this is Citgo oil. I did not want to get political hell fire and brim stone discussion going. For me the bottom line is what it costs and the level of protection I have had first hand. For what it is worth, this is the same oil that the Iron dog supplies for the racers at the check points... -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry aka SNAKE Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 hander outer of humorless darwin awards Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237528#237528 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:43 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kingfox tires From: "akflyer" FWIW... I got this email this morning Everyone, After several request, MiPPi Ultralights is considering a production run of the King Fox Tundra Tire 21 x 12 x 8. These are the same tire the avaition and Ultralight community has grown to love and trust. The cost for a set (2) tires will be $70.00 USF plus shipping. To estimate your shipping cost go to either Fed EX or USPS shipping from zip code 48150, box size 20 x 20 x 12, weight 22 lbs. All orders must be pre-ordered with a $10.00 USF deposit (paypal payment) required at the time of ordering. We are planning our production run for April 20 and the tires will be ready to ship at the in May 2009. Please forward this email to your fellow flyers. Mippi Ultralights will need to accumulate a order of 500 tires to justify the production run. Kevin s. Ridsdale - Mippi Ultralights Phone after 5:00 PM EST 734-377-2670 ksridsdale@mipowerparachute.com or ksridsdale@yahoo.com -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry aka SNAKE Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 hander outer of humorless darwin awards Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237530#237530 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:36 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oil injection conversion From: "dave" Pennzoil - lots use and lots de carbon. I use API TC mineral oil other than pennzoil and can go in excess of 500 hours with out issues. Maybe Rotax shops like the Pennzoil ? Good for business? Great observation. The other oil we use here is Shell Advance and I think They bought Pennzoil ? Is that correct ? akflyer wrote: > My brother was running the pennziol air cooled in his for about 50 hrs. We pulled it down for a decarbon and the rings were close to stuck, with carbon on the heads and piston domes. I talked him into switching to the sea and snow and when we pulled it down after 250 hrs, there was nothing to clean. > > I have tried to stay out of the oil issue as this is Citgo oil. I did not want to get political hell fire and brim stone discussion going. For me the bottom line is what it costs and the level of protection I have had first hand. > > For what it is worth, this is the same oil that the Iron dog supplies for the racers at the check points... -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ Awesome *New Forum * http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237543#237543 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:23 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Master Solenoid Hot to Touch From: "Ken Potter" Hi Folks; In preparation to take C-FJKP out of the shop and final inspection this spring I've been running the electrical system whenever I'm in the shop working--- master switch on, radio, transponder etc. running. Last weekend when I went to do an inspection before shutting down I noticed that the master solenoid was very hot to the touch. Is this normal???? -------- Ken Potter Model II, No. 483 Rotax 582, C-Box, 98% Complete C-FJKP (marks reserved) Lanark, Ontario Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237576#237576 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:12 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Master Solenoid Hot to Touch From: "Tom Jones" Ken Potter wrote: > Hi Folks; > In preparation to take C-FJKP out of the shop and final inspection this spring I've been running the electrical system whenever I'm in the shop working--- master switch on, radio, transponder etc. running. Last weekend when I went to do an inspection before shutting down I noticed that the master solenoid was very hot to the touch. Is this normal???? Yes, it's normal for the master contactor to get hot. Mine gets quite hot to the touch. Just be sure it is a continuous duty type. There is an easy way to tell but I can't seem to remember it. Someone will chime in, if not I probably have it in my building log notes somewhere. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237588#237588 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:09 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oil injection conversion From: "Tom Jones" AkFlyer wrote: > My brother was running the pennziol air cooled in his for about 50 hrs. We pulled it down for a decarbon and the rings were close to stuck, with carbon on the heads and piston domes. I talked him into switching to the sea and snow and when we pulled it down after 250 hrs, there was nothing to clean. Okay, you may have convinced me to switch oil. I am using penzoil now. At the first 50 hrs I had lots of carbon to scrape off the rings and piston tops. I do not have injection on my 503 so premix 50 to 1. I have to taxi about a mile to and from the runway here so was thinking the carbon buildup was from all that low speed taxing. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237591#237591 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:06 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kingfox tires From: "Tom Jones" akflyer wrote: > FWIW... I got this email this morning > > Everyone, > After several request, MiPPi Ultralights is considering a production run of the King Fox Tundra Tire 21 x 12 x 8. These are the same tire the avaition and Ultralight community has grown to love and trust. > > The cost for a set (2) tires will be $70.00 USF plus shipping. > To estimate your shipping cost go to either Fed EX or USPS shipping from zip code 48150, box size 20 x 20 x 12, weight 22 lbs. > > All orders must be pre-ordered with a $10.00 USF deposit (paypal payment) required at the time of ordering. > > We are planning our production run for April 20 and the tires will be ready to ship at the in May 2009. > Please forward this email to your fellow flyers. Mippi Ultralights will need to accumulate a order of 500 tires to justify the production run. > > Kevin s. Ridsdale - Mippi Ultralights > Phone after 5:00 PM EST 734-377-2670 > ksridsdale@mipowerparachute.com > or > ksridsdale@yahoo.com This is good news. For anyone wondering what the Mippi King Fox tires look like, here's a picture. King Fox 21 X 12 X 8 Mippi King Fox on the right, Nanco 18 X 8.5 X 8 on the left. Both mounted on stock Kitfox Douglas ATV wheels. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237597#237597 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kinfox_tire_177.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:54 PM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kingfox tires Tom, They look great. How do they handle gravel, thorns, sharp rocks, gopher holes, etc. experienced on off airport landings? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Jones To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:16 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kingfox tires > akflyer wrote: > FWIW... I got this email this morning > > Everyone, > After several request, MiPPi Ultralights is considering a production run of the King Fox Tundra Tire 21 x 12 x 8. These are the same tire the avaition and Ultralight community has grown to love and trust. > > The cost for a set (2) tires will be $70.00 USF plus shipping. > To estimate your shipping cost go to either Fed EX or USPS shipping from zip code 48150, box size 20 x 20 x 12, weight 22 lbs. > > All orders must be pre-ordered with a $10.00 USF deposit (paypal payment) required at the time of ordering. > > We are planning our production run for April 20 and the tires will be ready to ship at the in May 2009. > Please forward this email to your fellow flyers. Mippi Ultralights will need to accumulate a order of 500 tires to justify the production run. > > Kevin s. Ridsdale - Mippi Ultralights > Phone after 5:00 PM EST 734-377-2670 > ksridsdale@mipowerparachute.com > or > ksridsdale@yahoo.com This is good news. For anyone wondering what the Mippi King Fox tires look like, here's a picture. King Fox 21 X 12 X 8 Mippi King Fox on the right, Nanco 18 X 8.5 X 8 on the left. Both mounted on stock Kitfox Douglas ATV wheels. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237597#237597 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kinfox_tire_177.jpg http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:25 PM PST US From: "Brian Morissette" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kingfox tires Hi Folks Not only do these tires work great on soft fields, pavement they also work great on ice. Brian Speedster 912 85% complete _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley Sent: April 3, 2009 8:38 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kingfox tires Tom, They look great. How do they handle gravel, thorns, sharp rocks, gopher holes, etc. experienced on off airport landings? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Jones Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:16 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kingfox tires akflyer wrote: > FWIW... I got this email this morning > > Everyone, > After several request, MiPPi Ultralights is considering a production run of the King Fox Tundra Tire 21 x 12 x 8. These are the same tire the avaition and Ultralight community has grown to love and trust. > > The cost for a set (2) tires will be $70.00 USF plus shipping. > To estimate your shipping cost go to either Fed EX or USPS shipping from zip code 48150, box size 20 x 20 x 12, weight 22 lbs. > > All orders must be pre-ordered with a $10.00 USF deposit (paypal payment) required at the time of ordering. > > We are planning our production run for April 20 and the tires will be ready to ship at the in May 2009. > Please forward this email to your fellow flyers. Mippi Ultralights will need to accumulate a order of 500 tires to justify the production run. > > Kevin s. Ridsdale - Mippi Ultralights > Phone after 5:00 PM EST 734-377-2670 > ksridsdale@mipowerparachute.com > or > ksridsdale@yahoo.com This is good news. For anyone wondering what the Mippi King Fox tires look like, here's a picture. King Fox 21 X 12 X 8 Mippi King Fox on the right, Nanco 18 X 8.5 X 8 on the left. Both mounted on stock Kitfox Douglas ATV wheels. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237597#237597 Attachments: http://fonbsp; Features Chat, http://www.matronnbsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c==== =========== ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:09 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oil injection conversion From: "dave" Tom Jones wrote: > AkFlyer wrote: > > > My brother was running the pennziol air cooled in his for about 50 hrs. We pulled it down for a decarbon and the rings were close to stuck, with carbon on the heads and piston domes. I talked him into switching to the sea and snow and when we pulled it down after 250 hrs, there was nothing to clean. > > > Okay, you may have convinced me to switch oil. I am using penzoil now. At the first 50 hrs I had lots of carbon to scrape off the rings and piston tops. I do not have injection on my 503 so premix 50 to 1. I have to taxi about a mile to and from the runway here so was thinking the carbon buildup was from all that low speed taxing with the 50 to 1 ratio. Pre mix is a huge contributer to carbon build up as you are running 50 to 1 all the time. on Injection 50 to 1 is only at wide open throttle Idle could just be close to 100 to 1 with the cruise around 60 to 70 :1 ratio. So, you almost 20 to 35% richer at cruise and almost double what an injected engine is at 2500 rpm Yeah , you will get more carbon thinking that way. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ Awesome *New Forum * http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237606#237606 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:35 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oil injection conversion From: "Tom Jones" Here's a picture of the pistons on my 503 at the first 50 hours. Penzoil premix 50 to 1. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237611#237611 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piston_carbon50hr_115.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:21 PM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: Kitfox-List: Citgo sea and snow oil Hi all=2C I gave the local bulk oil dealer a call today=2C and he has this oil in a 4 gallon case for $51.25. That works out to $12.81 a gallon or $ 3.20 a quart. Last time I looked at the Pennsoil for aircooled engines all they had was 8 oz bottles and they wanted $1.99 each which equals $7.96 pe r quart. I guess I know where I'm getting my oil from next time I'm in to wn. Thanks for the tip Lenni! 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