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1. 03:12 AM - Re: Wing Parts (Lynn Matteson)
2. 03:16 AM - Re: Re: Wing Parts (Lynn Matteson)
3. 03:18 AM - Re: Wing Parts (Lynn Matteson)
4. 07:50 AM - Re: Wing Parts (Lowell Fitt)
5. 09:44 AM - Re: Wing Parts (akflyer)
6. 10:16 AM - Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? (darinh)
7. 10:19 AM - Re: Re: Oil injection conversion (Noel Loveys)
8. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Wing Parts (steve shinabery)
9. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: Wing Parts (Lowell Fitt)
10. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Wing Parts (Cudnohufsky's)
11. 11:41 AM - Re: Master Solenoid Hot to Touch (Noel Loveys)
12. 11:42 AM - Re: Wing Parts (akflyer)
13. 11:47 AM - Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? (akflyer)
14. 11:57 AM - Re: Re: Wing Parts (Cudnohufsky's)
15. 12:28 PM - Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? (darinh)
16. 12:55 PM - Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? (akflyer)
17. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? (Vic Baker)
18. 02:01 PM - Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? (Roger Lee)
19. 02:59 PM - Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? (darinh)
20. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: Wing Parts (Lynn Matteson)
21. 07:11 PM - Re: Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? (Noel Loveys)
22. 08:24 PM - Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? (darinh)
23. 09:02 PM - Re: Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? (Lowell Fitt)
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I've got a 10 1/2" piece...it's in a mailing envelope and waiting for
an address, Lloyd.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 624.3 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Apr 4, 2009, at 9:25 PM, Cudnohufsky's wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Continuing to pick away at my Model 5 Rebuild Project and am
> looking to purchase about a 3 piece of trailing edge and a 3
> piece of PVC Wing Strut material if anyone has anything laying
> around, new or used is OK.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lloyd Cudnohufsky
>
> Model 5 Rotax 912uls
>
> IVO IFA Rebuild
>
> Northern Mi.
>
>
> Checked by AVG.
> 4/3/2009 5:54 PM
>
> ============================================================ _-
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There ya go, Lloyd....now all ya gotta ask yourself is: "Do I take
'em from the Snake Oil salseman, or from the guy "who posts too
much"? : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 624.3 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Apr 4, 2009, at 11:11 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
> I have a bunch of 3' chunks of the trailing edge that Avid sent
> me... I ended up getting new 10'ers from ACS so I would not have a
> bunch of splices. I dont get home till the 14th, but if you dont
> find any by then, I would be happy to ship it to you free of charge.
>
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> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237770#237770
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Oh, crap! I just reread your post and see that you wanted a 3 FOOT
piece of strut material...damn, I guess I'd better have a cup of
coffee before reading the list...sorry! I could'a sworn I read
3"......DUH.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 624.3 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Apr 4, 2009, at 9:25 PM, Cudnohufsky's wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Continuing to pick away at my Model 5 Rebuild Project and am
> looking to purchase about a 3 piece of trailing edge and a 3
> piece of PVC Wing Strut material if anyone has anything laying
> around, new or used is OK.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lloyd Cudnohufsky
>
> Model 5 Rotax 912uls
>
> IVO IFA Rebuild
>
> Northern Mi.
>
>
> Checked by AVG.
> 4/3/2009 5:54 PM
>
> ============================================================ _-
> ============================================================ _-
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Lloyd,
Can't help with the trailing edge. Are you in need of lift strut fairing
material or the leading edge material. I can help with the former, but not
the leading edge stuff.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@Chartermi.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 5:25 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing Parts
Guys,
Continuing to pick away at my Model 5 Rebuild Project and am looking to
purchase about a 3 piece of trailing edge and a 3 piece of PVC Wing Strut
material if anyone has anything laying around, new or used is OK.
Thanks,
Lloyd Cudnohufsky
Model 5 Rotax 912uls
IVO IFA Rebuild
Northern Mi.
Checked by AVG.
4/3/2009
5:54 PM
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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Lloyd,
>
> Can't help with the trailing edge. Are you in need of lift strut fairing
> material or the leading edge material. I can help with the former, but not
> the leading edge stuff.
>
> Lowell
>
> ---
Hey Lowell, you using the same coffee shop that Lynn used this morning? lol
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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? |
Last time I went flying, about 10 minutes into the flight, my oil pressure indication
went to 12 psi then to 45 psi then back to 15 psi and it continued like
this until I got back on the ground about 10 minutes later. When I shut down,
my EIS still indicated oil pressure without the engine running. I had just
purged the oil system per the Rotax SB so there was not any air in the system.
I have purged it again since and I am still getting the wildly fluctuating pressure
indication. The engine only has 38 hours on it which seems a bit early
for failure.
The pressure eventually went to 0 but shouldn't it be 0 anytime the engine is not
running even if the engine is warm? Is my pressure sender bad? I know they
have a tendency to go bad on the Rotax 912 series due to engine vibration.
But is this a typical symptom of a bad sender or do they just quit indicating
completely?
Lastly, does one have to spend the outrageous amount of $250 for a new "Rotax"
VDO sender or will others work? If so, where can I get one of the less expensive
ones? I am sick of not being able to fly on days like today and need to get
this figured out. So any help or experience you may have will be appreciated.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Oil injection conversion |
That would be a good one to have on Rotaxaircraft.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:43 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oil injection conversion
Here is more info on oils i complied recently
http://www.cfisher.com/oildebate.html
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http://www.cfisher.com/
Awesome *New Forum *
http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/
Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
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HEY LYNN,,have you been drinking more of that SNAKE OIL from the snake
oil sales man???You better stay away from that stuff..I too have drank
some of stuff like that..It was called SHINE..and it too made me see
things different...N554KF KF2 582 Steve Shinabery St.Marys Ohio
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Lol to you too Leonard.
The original post asked about a " 3' piece of trailing edge and a 3' piece
of PVC Wing Strut material". I was just clarifying if a damaged wing would
need PVC lift strut material of if the question was referring to the PVC
Wing "Spar" material.
I am pretty much convinced that the long arctic winters do something to some
folks brains. In case it wasn't clear to you, I was asking what exactly
he wanted and I could help with PVC "lift" strut fairing, but not the PVC
wing "spar" material. If that still doesn't make sense, maybe you would be
so kind as to tell me exactly what PVC wing strut material is.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:43 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing Parts
>
>
> lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> Lloyd,
>>
>> Can't help with the trailing edge. Are you in need of lift strut fairing
>> material or the leading edge material. I can help with the former, but
>> not
>> the leading edge stuff.
>>
>> Lowell
>>
>> ---
>
>
> Hey Lowell, you using the same coffee shop that Lynn used this morning?
> lol
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237818#237818
>
>
>
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Guys,
Thanks for the overwhelmingly generous responses on the parts requests, I
think we have it all covered, sounds like Leonard will be able to help me
with the trailing edge material and Lowell with the wing strut material. I
will contact each off list to work out the details. Thanks again, I look
forward to meeting up with all of you some day over a cup of coffee. : )
Lloyd Cudnohufsky
Model 5 912ul
IVO IFA Rebuild
Northern Mi.
Checked by AVG.
4:53 PM
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| Subject: | Master Solenoid Hot to Touch |
In a word No. You have a starter solenoid rather than a power relay. Get a
12V relay ( they look the same) from and RV outlet. They use then for back
up batteries.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Potter
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:20 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Master Solenoid Hot to Touch
Hi Folks;
In preparation to take C-FJKP out of the shop and final inspection this
spring I've been running the electrical system whenever I'm in the shop
working--- master switch on, radio, transponder etc. running. Last weekend
when I went to do an inspection before shutting down I noticed that the
master solenoid was very hot to the touch. Is this normal????
--------
Ken Potter
Model II, No. 483
Rotax 582, C-Box,
98% Complete
C-FJKP (marks reserved)
Lanark, Ontario
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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Lol to you too Leonard.
>
> The original post asked about a " 3' piece of trailing edge and a 3' piece
> of PVC Wing Strut material". I was just clarifying if a damaged wing would
> need PVC lift strut material of if the question was referring to the PVC
> Wing "Spar" material.
>
> I am pretty much convinced that the long arctic winters do something to some
> folks brains. In case it wasn't clear to you, I was asking what exactly
> he wanted and I could help with PVC "lift" strut fairing, but not the PVC
> wing "spar" material. If that still doesn't make sense, maybe you would be
> so kind as to tell me exactly what PVC wing strut material is.
>
> Lowell
>
> ---
sorry, just made a funny.. did not mean to get under your skin with it. Don't
read more into it than what was there.
The original request was for Aluminum trailing edge and PVC wing strut faring
(lift strut). I did not even think about the PVC leading edge material, I was
hung up in the aluminum and since I have aluminum leading edge wrap, I was thinking
you may be referring to that... My bad for thinking something was funny,
I will try not to do it again... well at least not till next time anyway. Maybe
a stiff drink is in order instead of coffee.. some seem a bit high strung
lately, and caffeine can't be helping much.
On another note, has anyone taken the new gear out and beat the tar out of it yet?
I really like the looks of it, and the weight savings. If it is at least
as strong as the Avid wide gear, I just may be putting an order in very soon.
Thanks
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? |
couldn't you jump a tee in the run and put a good ole mechanical oil pressure gage
in there too for back up? That would for sure tell you what the scoop is
for about 25 bucks at any auto parts store. You would not have to punch a hole
in the dash for it, just set it on the seat or use a clamp to hold it at the
edge of the dash just to give you a warm fuzzy that the high $ sender is bad.
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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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Sorry Lowell,
Lift Strut, yes lift strut PVC fairing is what I was trying to say, not the
leading edge PVC, I am OK there for now, probably until "I" try to fly it. :
)
Lloyd
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing Parts
Lol to you too Leonard.
The original post asked about a " 3' piece of trailing edge and a 3' piece
of PVC Wing Strut material". I was just clarifying if a damaged wing would
need PVC lift strut material of if the question was referring to the PVC
Wing "Spar" material.
I am pretty much convinced that the long arctic winters do something to some
folks brains. In case it wasn't clear to you, I was asking what exactly
he wanted and I could help with PVC "lift" strut fairing, but not the PVC
wing "spar" material. If that still doesn't make sense, maybe you would be
so kind as to tell me exactly what PVC wing strut material is.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:43 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing Parts
>
>
> lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> Lloyd,
>>
>> Can't help with the trailing edge. Are you in need of lift strut fairing
>> material or the leading edge material. I can help with the former, but
>> not
>> the leading edge stuff.
>>
>> Lowell
>>
>> ---
>
>
> Hey Lowell, you using the same coffee shop that Lynn used this morning?
> lol
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237818#237818
>
>
>
Checked by AVG.
4:53 PM
Checked by AVG.
4:53 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? |
akflyer wrote:
> couldn't you jump a tee in the run and put a good ole mechanical oil pressure
gage in there too for back up?
Yes, I thought about this and will probably end up doing it or at least trying
it to verify if the sender is bad. I did just read that the VDO senders show
signs of failure by rapidly fluctuating pressure indications. Based on this,
I think it is safe to assume that the sensor is going bad.
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? |
It may be a good idea to install the mechanical anyway. I wonder (out loud) if
anyone has ever set a perfectly good plane down.... and balled it up, due to
a faulty sender.
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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? |
My oil pressure sender failed after 30 hours total time on engine.
Indicating high (red line). Replaced it with "non aviation" unit from
Lockwood. $40 Telcon with Lockwood, not unusual for this to happen.
Note: Lockwood also recommended remove, clean threads, try again. Did not
help.
Also recommended install mechanical gauge. Have not done that.
Vic Baker
S7 912S Warp
Phase 1 flight testing
Carson City, Nv
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:27 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication?
>
>
> akflyer wrote:
>> couldn't you jump a tee in the run and put a good ole mechanical oil
>> pressure gage in there too for back up?
>
>
> Yes, I thought about this and will probably end up doing it or at least
> trying it to verify if the sender is bad. I did just read that the VDO
> senders show signs of failure by rapidly fluctuating pressure indications.
> Based on this, I think it is safe to assume that the sensor is going bad.
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7
> 914 Turbo
> Kaysville, Utah
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237848#237848
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? |
Hi Darin,
Very first thing is get to the back of the panel and use a wire and touch the gauge
ground to a know good ground. This is my first guess for what you describe,
bad ground. If this is not it then my second guess is the sending unit. If
the grounding doesn't fix it then you need to go to the hardware store and pick
up a gauge from 0-100 psi and some 1/8" copper tubing. The oil pressure fitting
threads is 1/8" NPT. Get a 1/8" NPT to a compression to come out of the oil
sender port. Then come out with the tubing about 18" and put a tee in the line
and continue the copper tube run until it gets well inside the cockpit. Put
your oil sender gauge in the tee. Put the pressure gauge on the end of the line.
When you run the engine you will be able to compare mechanical pressure with
the electronic pressure. When you start the engine partially unscrew the pressure
gauge until the oil starts to weep out the threads and then tighten the
gauge. This will allow all the air to be purged out of the test line. These are
VDO gauges and the VDO guage with the cadmium anti vibration ring cost up to
$250. You can get the identical VDO gauge without the cadmium ring for $39.95.
These seem to last just as long and I can replace this one a lot of times for
just one of the others. Get the VDO gauge from Lockwood Aviation. Call me if
you have any questions. 520-574-1080
Both of these things are very easy to do.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? |
Thanks for the input guys. As Roger recommended, I have checked the grounding
and all is good. I am going to get a new sender and found them at Jegs. com for
$25.99. As Roger said, they don't have the vibration ring around them but
I plan to mount the sender remotely this time. Thanks again for the info.
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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There must've been a full moon last night, 'cause we're all acting a
little goofy. My excuse was getting up too early and trying to make
sense of this list. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 624.3 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Apr 5, 2009, at 1:36 PM, steve shinabery wrote:
>
> HEY LYNN,,have you been drinking more of that SNAKE OIL from the
> snake oil sales man???You better stay away from that stuff..I too
> have drank some of stuff like that..It was called SHINE..and it too
> made me see things different...N554KF KF2 582 Steve Shinabery
> St.Marys Ohio
>
>
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Thinking out loud here but that may have been what happened to Lowell.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:25 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication?
It may be a good idea to install the mechanical anyway. I wonder (out loud)
if anyone has ever set a perfectly good plane down.... and balled it up, due
to a faulty sender.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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Noel, I was thinking the same thing when it happened. I thought that if I really
was losing oil pressure it would be steadily decreasing to 0 but it kept jumping
all over the place so I was pretty sure this wasn't an actual oil pressure
problem but rather an indication problem. I did have the Brigham City airport
about 4 miles ahead but opted to turn back towards Ogden - my home base.
I have located another sender (summitracing.com) and ordered the hose and fittings
to go to a remote setup so I can get rid of the vibration issues common to
senders mounted directly on the engine. Got the sender, hose, insulation sleeve
and fittings for under $100 which is much better than the $250 I thought
I was going to spend.
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Darin Hawkes
Series 7
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? |
Noel,
For a long time, I wondered if it was the pressure sender or frankly, if I
had mistaken the temp gauge as the pressure gauge as the temp senders had
failed fairly regularly. It wasn't until several months later that I got a
call from the FAA and they wanted to see me at the FSDO. It was then that
they showed me the black glob that they found in the oil tank with the
string that had melted off the glob that was sucked into the pick up tube.
I don't know if it was a relief to find that there was indeed a correct
reading on the oil pressure gauge, because I then had to think how something
like that could have been introduced into the oil system - most likely by
me. I still haven't figured that one out.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:39 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication?
>
> Thinking out loud here but that may have been what happened to Lowell.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:25 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication?
>
>
> It may be a good idea to install the mechanical anyway. I wonder (out
> loud)
> if anyone has ever set a perfectly good plane down.... and balled it up,
> due
> to a faulty sender.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1260
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237853#237853
>
>
>
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