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Mon 04/06/09


Total Messages Posted: 17



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     1. 02:42 AM - General Aviation declining. (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
     2. 05:17 AM - Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? (Catz631@aol.com)
     3. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? (Noel Loveys)
     4. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? (Noel Loveys)
     5. 07:19 AM - Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? (Roger Lee)
     6. 08:21 AM - Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? (darinh)
     7. 09:51 AM - Re: Near disaster (JetPilot)
     8. 10:18 AM - Re: Re: Near disaster (Lynn Matteson)
     9. 10:18 AM - Re: Oil injection conversion (JetPilot)
    10. 10:18 AM - Douglas Wheel source (bjones@dmv.com)
    11. 10:22 AM - Re: Oil injection conversion (JetPilot)
    12. 11:05 AM - Re: Oil injection conversion (fox5flyer)
    13. 11:27 AM - Re: Oil injection conversion (rawheels)
    14. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: Oil injection conversion (Noel Loveys)
    15. 05:21 PM - Re: Master Solenoid Hot to Touch (Fox5flyer)
    16. 06:22 PM - Re: Douglas Wheel source (Tom Jones)
    17. 06:22 PM - Re: Re: Master Solenoid Hot to Touch (Noel Loveys)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:42:58 AM PST US
    Subject: General Aviation declining.
    From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>
    We'll all be better off if we can interest someone new in flying. Here's a news article I found looking into Textron who is likely to dump Cessna. Recreational flying grounded as pilot numbers dwindle 3:01 pm ET 04/03/2009 - MarketWatch Databased News NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Flying small planes isn't as hard as it looks, but it's getting harder to convince people it's worth the time and money to learn how, raising questions about whether there will be enough pilots to support the businesses that have grown up around America's small airports. Since their peak in the early 1980s, the number of active private and recreational pilots in the U.S. has been dwindling, falling more than 15% over the past decade to 213,366, according to the Federal Aviation Administration. And since 2000, registered piston-engine planes, usually the first a new pilot trains in, have fallen 4% to 163,135. Last year, General Electric Co. said it was getting out of the recreational-aircraft business, selling off what's left of its related businesses to TransDigm. And this week, Cessna owner Textron Inc. said it may sell its small-aircraft business in response to the recession's heavy toll on demand. Read the full story on WSJ.com. More worrying for remote communities is that the number of public airports in the country has also slipped, down 2% since 2000 to 5,221, according to the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association. "Many communities find the airport to be a source of economic activity," according to Craig Fuller, head of AOPA. Like proximity to a highway, airports are good for local businesses and encourage personal travel. According to a report from the FAA, general aviation -- which includes recreational flying -- makes a "sizable impact" to the U.S. economy, contributing $81 billion a year. Ray Haley, a pharmacist and recreational pilot in Tyler, Texas, about two hours east of Dallas, said he's noticed fewer people interested in the sport at his local air field. "Cost is a big thing, or the perception of cost, since people assume it will cost a fortune," said Haley. "But it's not so bad; some people blow just as much on fast boats and golf clubs." Earning a pilot license it typically takes 60 to 70 hours of flight training at a cost of $6,000 to $9,000, according to AOPA. To encourage more flying, the FAA introduced a sport-pilot certification in 2005 that takes half the time and money to complete, but limits what and where the holder can fly. Haley said he started flying six years ago and now makes regular trips with his family to Florida, avoiding the hassle of commercial flying. He also volunteers for Angel Flight Inc., a not-for-profit organization that provides free emergency flights to people who can't afford air travel or who are in a time-critical medical situation. "I love the people," Haley said, referring to pilots he's met over the years. "Everyone is nice and it takes a particularly motivated person to do this kind of thing." Worries about safety and the economy Safety concerns have also hampered some of the growth, said Eric Byer of the National Air Transport Association. "Each time you have [an] incident, people will bring that up in conversation on flying," Byer said. For New Yorkers, the accident that killed New York Yankees pitcher Corey Lidle in 2006 often comes to mind. Lidle was learning how to fly a Cirrus SR20 when it crashed into a building on the city's Upper East Side. His flight instructor also died. Despite such headline-grabbers, flying remains much safer than driving, though there is a significant safety gap between commercial flying and general aviation, according to National Safety Council data provided by the World Almanac. Breaking it down, fatal accidents for large airlines is 0.011 for every 100,000 flight hours, but that jumps to 1.27 for general aviation. It's likely no coincidence that recreational flying hit its peak just as those who saw the earliest days of flying began retiring. In their lifetimes, pioneer aviators Orville Wright, Charles Lindberg and Howard Hughes were prominent public figures, embodying the adventure and glamour young boys often seek. Many of those same boys went on to serve in the Second World War, which trained thousands of pilots for the fast-growing air force. Today, men still make up 94% of the nation's pilots, most of them between 35 and 55 years of age. But a dwindling interest in aviation, as well as women having a greater say in how the money is spent in two-income families, has pressured overall numbers, said Chris Dancy, a spokesman at AOPA. The economic downturn has accelerated the decline, he added. "It began last summer when fuel prices sky rocketed, but one situation replaced the other," Dancy said. Ultimately the decline will impact more rural airports and flight schools. It could also hamper companies that draw on a pool of civilian pilots to fly their aircraft and grow their businesses when the economy eventually rebounds. To combat the falling numbers, AOPA launched its Let's Go Flying! advertising campaign to entice young people into the cockpit. "It's an area of significant concern for us," Dancy said. "In general, pilots are still in demand, but right now, like everybody else, the industry is hurting." -- Paul A. Franz Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP Bellevue WA 425.241.1618 Cell In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other. -- Voltaire (1764) No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain (1866) "President Barack Obama has gotten a lot of mileage out of his appeals to people of faith. He portrays himself as one of them, a convert who found Jesus and a new purpose for living through community organizing in Chicago. His attempts to portray the audacity of hope, however, have been stymied by the manner in which he has responded to the nation's economic crisis. He may call it 'investment,' but his stimulus package represents old-fashioned government spending. Our children will be left with the legacy of his spendthrift ways. However, to hear Obama tell it, you would think that he was saving our nation's poor by running up deficits. Don't worry about the final bill, he's telling us -- let's live for today. He may even try to wrap his spending package in the guise of Christian charity." -- columnist Nathan Tabor Liberty is always dangerous, but it is the safest thing we have. -- Harry Emerson Fosdick In America, any boy may become president and I suppose that's just one of the risks he takes. -- Adlai Stevenson When you go into court you are putting your fate into the hands of twelve people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. -- Norm Crosby


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    Time: 05:17:53 AM PST US
    From: Catz631@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication?
    It might be better to run a hose with a fitting off of the engine to read the pressure if you elect that method. As I recall, a copper tube can become brittle and break under vibration. If you do decide to use the copper a suggestion would be to put a coil in it to help absorb the vibration. That is the method the "old timers" always told me to do it. I believe John McBean mentioned in one of his posts, that he has a remote oil pressure sensor kit available. I don't know anything about it but I have been meaning to contact him about this as my oil pressure sensor has failed once and I am sure it will again. Dick Maddux Fox 4-1200 912 UL Pensacola,Fl **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)


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    Time: 06:57:03 AM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication?
    Don't forget to cover the line inside the cockpit in case it holes. You won't want hot oil spraying over your legs! Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 12:53 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? Noel, I was thinking the same thing when it happened. I thought that if I really was losing oil pressure it would be steadily decreasing to 0 but it kept jumping all over the place so I was pretty sure this wasn't an actual oil pressure problem but rather an indication problem. I did have the Brigham City airport about 4 miles ahead but opted to turn back towards Ogden - my home base. I have located another sender (summitracing.com) and ordered the hose and fittings to go to a remote setup so I can get rid of the vibration issues common to senders mounted directly on the engine. Got the sender, hose, insulation sleeve and fittings for under $100 which is much better than the $250 I thought I was going to spend. -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 914 Turbo Kaysville, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237929#237929


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    Time: 07:11:08 AM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication?
    I had a Rover TC 2000 many years ago. After finally getting it fixed a and running like a Swiss watch one day it suddenly seized just after starting. When I took the head off I found little pieces of carbon hard steel imbedded into all four of the cylinder heads and of course all my valves looked like pretzels. I took a few of the pieces, which I had identified as pieces of a compression ring, to all the auto dealerships and finally to a heavy equipment dealer. It turned out the pieces were from the main compression ring of a D 9 Caterpillar tractor. The engine being side draft with two carbs couldn't have ingested the particles so the only way they could have gotten into my engine was they had to be intentionally put in there through the spark plug holes. I still don't know who may have done this. In your case I was thinking some of the oil bottles have the little plastic retainer rings which I have seen fall off some bottles. This could have happened to your engine if the glob you mentioned was plastic or it could have been part of a rag inserted in a hose to keep bits and pieces out. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:31 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? Noel, For a long time, I wondered if it was the pressure sender or frankly, if I had mistaken the temp gauge as the pressure gauge as the temp senders had failed fairly regularly. It wasn't until several months later that I got a call from the FAA and they wanted to see me at the FSDO. It was then that they showed me the black glob that they found in the oil tank with the string that had melted off the glob that was sucked into the pick up tube. I don't know if it was a relief to find that there was indeed a correct reading on the oil pressure gauge, because I then had to think how something like that could have been introduced into the oil system - most likely by me. I still haven't figured that one out. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? > > Thinking out loud here but that may have been what happened to Lowell. > > Noel > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:25 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication? > > > It may be a good idea to install the mechanical anyway. I wonder (out > loud) > if anyone has ever set a perfectly good plane down.... and balled it up, > due > to a faulty sender. > > -------- > DO NOT ARCHIVE > Leonard Perry aka SNAKE > Soldotna AK > Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV > 582 IVO IFA > Full Lotus 1260 > #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 > > hander outer of humorless darwin awards > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237853#237853 > > >


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    Time: 07:19:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication?
    From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
    I don't mean for him the go fly with this setup. Everything you need to do can be done on the ground and you use copper or stainless because it is less likely to split over plastic lines and that is why you use a very small I.D. line to reduce any volume issue in case of a problem, plus there is no need for big lines when testing pressure only. You should have no leaks or rupture issues with only the Rotax oil pressure of 35-60 psi from the engine. You only need to run the engine for a couple of minutes to diagnose your problem. The problem is there or it isn't, no long run times needed. This is a very simple and telling procedure. [/u] -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237972#237972


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    Time: 08:21:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fluctuating Oil Pressure Indication?
    From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
    I am making a remote setup using -4 Aeroquip Socketless hose and fittings and will mount my sender to the firewall. I am going to install a tee at the sender so I can connect a simple analog gage and compare the two readings, I can then cap the unused side of the tee and be done with it. This will allow for future diagnosis if needed. -------- Darin Hawkes Series 7 914 Turbo Kaysville, Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237978#237978


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    Time: 09:51:01 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Near disaster
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    Lynn Matteson wrote: > It handles the lead quite well, but I'd like to use TCP or some other > additive, but Jabiru says no. That is very strange, I wonder why an engine manufacturer like Jabiru would not want people to use something to help reduce the effects of the lead. If you do find out, please tell !! Mike -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237993#237993


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    Time: 10:18:04 AM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: Near disaster
    The pessimist in me says it is "planned obsolescence" but the optimist in me says they would want to see these things go as far as they can, hour-wise, so I'm at a loss to figure out why. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 624.3 hrs Sensenich 62x46 Electroair direct-fire ignition system Status: flying On Apr 6, 2009, at 12:49 PM, JetPilot wrote: > > > Lynn Matteson wrote: >> It handles the lead quite well, but I'd like to use TCP or some other >> additive, but Jabiru says no. > > > That is very strange, I wonder why an engine manufacturer like > Jabiru would not want people to use something to help reduce the > effects of the lead. If you do find out, please tell !! > > Mike > > -------- > &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast > as you could have !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237993#237993 > >


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    Time: 10:18:08 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Oil injection conversion
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    rawheels wrote: > > Newbie? Yes. Don't get me wrong; I've grown up my entire life on our family's airport, I am an A&P, multiple rated pilot, and have two aeronautics degrees from Purdue University. > I would think with an education like that, you would have done your research a little better and be a little more informed. But then again, I have known guys that had a great memory and could get a 4.0 GPA in school and had ZERO judgment. Bottom line - Education does not equal intelligence and judgment. I am a huge believer in synthetic oils, I use synthetic oil in all my cars, and in my airplane. But I would NEVER NEVER use Amsoil two stroke oil, and I would NEVER use any two stroke oil at 100 to 1. That not only has been known to destroy Rotax engines, but many other fine quality two stroke engines as well, like the Zenoah two stroke engines we use for model airplanes also. As far as synthetic oil goes, AMSOIL is not a great synthetic, no all synthetics are created equal. Rawheels, the fact that you are new to two strokes probably excuses how you bought into this 100 to 1 mix myth ( probably invented by marketing people rather to sell, rather than based on good engineering ). But you attitude of ignoring guys with lots of experience, and your complete fialure to do the research on this, is inexcusable. There is lots of evidence out there if you take a little effort to look. If you do this, you will richly deserve what you get. Its probably better that a guy such as yourself with such poor judgment is grounded anyways. Mike -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237997#237997


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    Time: 10:18:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Douglas Wheel source
    From: bjones@dmv.com
    I need the current Douglas part number for the aluminum 8 x 6 wheels that match the wheels that came as part of my model IV kit in the early to mid 1990s. (Three bolt holes spaced at 85 to 86 mm) I have read several times that Douglas still sells these wheels, but when I talk with Douglas Racing techs they can't find 8 x 6 aluminum wheels with the proper bolt hole spacing. I suspect I will need to use a wheel with a different 3 bolt hole spacing pattern and have new bolt holes drilled as well as having the brake disc mounting tabs welded on, drilled and threaded. BJ N154K N626NR 443-480-1023 bjones@dmv.com Do not archive


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    Time: 10:22:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Oil injection conversion
    From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
    akflyer wrote: > We have been running the citgo sea and snow oil for 15+ years in sleds and for the last 2 years in the 582. I normally go through ~ 40 gallons of oil a year in the sled and planes. We tore a 582 down after 250 hrs using this oil with no wear or carbon present. The oil sells for 12-14 bucks a gallon. > > Lennord, I see you are here trying to sell more Snake oil on us poor unsuspecting two stroke flyers [Wink] Sorry, I couldn't resist hahaha. As the Penzoil gets expensive and hard to find, I have been looking for a viable alternative. Given your extensive experience with two strokes, I will go with your advice and buy this when the Penzoil runs out. Thanks ! Mike -------- &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238001#238001


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    Time: 11:05:58 AM PST US
    From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
    Subject: Re: Oil injection conversion
    Gee, Mike. Rather than attempting to answer simple questions you tend to come down hard on people with ridicule. I'm not sure why, but while you are considering that, please give some hard data (sans opinions) to back up your statements below. Inquiring minds would like to know... Thanks, Deke S5 NE Michigan do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oil injection conversion > > > rawheels wrote: >> >> Newbie? Yes. Don't get me wrong; I've grown up my entire life on our >> family's airport, I am an A&P, multiple rated pilot, and have two >> aeronautics degrees from Purdue University. >> > > > I would think with an education like that, you would have done your > research a little better and be a little more informed. But then again, I > have known guys that had a great memory and could get a 4.0 GPA in school > and had ZERO judgment. Bottom line - Education does not equal > intelligence and judgment. > > I am a huge believer in synthetic oils, I use synthetic oil in all my > cars, and in my airplane. But I would NEVER NEVER use Amsoil two stroke > oil, and I would NEVER use any two stroke oil at 100 to 1. That not only > has been known to destroy Rotax engines, but many other fine quality two > stroke engines as well, like the Zenoah two stroke engines we use for > model airplanes also. As far as synthetic oil goes, AMSOIL is not a > great synthetic, no all synthetics are created equal. > > Rawheels, the fact that you are new to two strokes probably excuses how > you bought into this 100 to 1 mix myth ( probably invented by marketing > people rather to sell, rather than based on good engineering ). But you > attitude of ignoring guys with lots of experience, and your complete > fialure to do the research on this, is inexcusable. There is lots of > evidence out there if you take a little effort to look. > > If you do this, you will richly deserve what you get. Its probably better > that a guy such as yourself with such poor judgment is grounded anyways. > > Mike > > -------- > &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you > could have !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237997#237997 > > >


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    Time: 11:27:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Oil injection conversion
    From: "rawheels" <rawheels@yahoo.com>
    Mike, Thanks, and God bless you. Everyone else, Describing my history was not intended to say that I knew better than the others, but to allow Dave to understand that although I am new to 2-Stroke, I am not new to aviation in general. Sorry that I didn't know about "mineral oil". It the world of certified 4-strokes, where I started, "mineral oil" means something completely different (as Paul mentioned). Guess I thought that I could avoid the usual beating from the great oil debate by simply asking that the original question was answered in my second post. I'm willing to admit that I was wrong in that regard. Thank you all for your help. I hope you will still be willing to pass on information to a newbie in future posts, as I do appreciate input and help from veterans. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238017#238017


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    Time: 12:04:26 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Re: Oil injection conversion
    I expect that when dealing with engine manufacturers like Rotax who have produced, dare I say, a majority of the two stroke engines out there, I'd follow their operators manual to the letter. Then if I had any other questions I'd call a Rotax repair station for their input. I have in the past talked to Bob Robertson at Light Engine Repair in BC. He not only knows the engines but surprise, surprise, he also knows the aircraft they power. Dave Fisher occasionally in this group, is another guy who knows the planes and the engines. A squint at the site, Rotaxaircraft.com, probably wouldn't be out of line either. There are no stupid questions. Stupidity starts when you don't ask a question and aren't 100% sure of the answer. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oil injection conversion Gee, Mike. Rather than attempting to answer simple questions you tend to come down hard on people with ridicule. I'm not sure why, but while you are considering that, please give some hard data (sans opinions) to back up your statements below. Inquiring minds would like to know... Thanks, Deke S5 NE Michigan do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oil injection conversion > > > rawheels wrote: >> >> Newbie? Yes. Don't get me wrong; I've grown up my entire life on our >> family's airport, I am an A&P, multiple rated pilot, and have two >> aeronautics degrees from Purdue University. >> > > > I would think with an education like that, you would have done your > research a little better and be a little more informed. But then again, I > have known guys that had a great memory and could get a 4.0 GPA in school > and had ZERO judgment. Bottom line - Education does not equal > intelligence and judgment. > > I am a huge believer in synthetic oils, I use synthetic oil in all my > cars, and in my airplane. But I would NEVER NEVER use Amsoil two stroke > oil, and I would NEVER use any two stroke oil at 100 to 1. That not only > has been known to destroy Rotax engines, but many other fine quality two > stroke engines as well, like the Zenoah two stroke engines we use for > model airplanes also. As far as synthetic oil goes, AMSOIL is not a > great synthetic, no all synthetics are created equal. > > Rawheels, the fact that you are new to two strokes probably excuses how > you bought into this 100 to 1 mix myth ( probably invented by marketing > people rather to sell, rather than based on good engineering ). But you > attitude of ignoring guys with lots of experience, and your complete > fialure to do the research on this, is inexcusable. There is lots of > evidence out there if you take a little effort to look. > > If you do this, you will richly deserve what you get. Its probably better > that a guy such as yourself with such poor judgment is grounded anyways. > > Mike > > -------- > &quot;NO FEAR&quot; - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you > could have !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=237997#237997 > > >


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    Time: 05:21:37 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Master Solenoid Hot to Touch
    From: "Fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
    Ken Potter wrote: > Hi Folks; > In preparation to take C-FJKP out of the shop and final inspection this spring I've been running the electrical system whenever I'm in the shop working--- master switch on, radio, transponder etc. running. Last weekend when I went to do an inspection before shutting down I noticed that the master solenoid was very hot to the touch. Is this normal???? Yes, Ken. When on for an extended length of time they can get pretty hot which is why they should be mounted in an area that receives adequate ventilation. Shouldn't be anything to worry about. Even a 60 watt lightbulb will get hot after awhile. Deke Morisse S5 NE Michigan -------- Deke Morisse Kitfox S5 TD NSI/CAP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238064#238064


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    Time: 06:22:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Douglas Wheel source
    From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
    BJ, I found this On Avidfoxflyers.com http://avidfoxflyers.com/index.php?topic=135.0 TJ "The original wheels are made by Douglas and the part #is 001-01 . these are 8x6 3b-3n 3/100 , you have to drill then other 3 holes . Also you have to weld on the lugs for the brake rotors. For a heavier wheel use part # 001-02" -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238073#238073


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    Time: 06:22:51 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Re: Master Solenoid Hot to Touch
    The relay coil shouldn't draw more than a half an amp...600 mW. They can get warm but if they are coming anywhere close to hot then the internal resistance isn't high enough or you have a starter solenoid. Power relays generally after several hours of being pulled closed will only be slightly warm to the touch. Never hot. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fox5flyer Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:49 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Master Solenoid Hot to Touch Ken Potter wrote: > Hi Folks; > In preparation to take C-FJKP out of the shop and final inspection this spring I've been running the electrical system whenever I'm in the shop working--- master switch on, radio, transponder etc. running. Last weekend when I went to do an inspection before shutting down I noticed that the master solenoid was very hot to the touch. Is this normal???? Yes, Ken. When on for an extended length of time they can get pretty hot which is why they should be mounted in an area that receives adequate ventilation. Shouldn't be anything to worry about. Even a 60 watt lightbulb will get hot after awhile. Deke Morisse S5 NE Michigan -------- Deke Morisse Kitfox S5 TD NSI/CAP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238064#238064




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