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1. 04:03 AM - Re: fuel tank venting (dave)
2. 05:04 AM - Re: Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion (Catz631@aol.com)
3. 07:03 AM - Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion (dave)
4. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: fuel tank venting (Cudnohufsky's)
5. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion (Mark Scott)
6. 09:06 AM - Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion (dave)
7. 09:11 AM - Re: fuel tank venting (dave)
8. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: Oil injection conversion (Michael Gibbs)
9. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
10. 11:38 AM - Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion (dave)
11. 11:39 AM - Installation of a 912S (Jacques Voynaud)
12. 11:55 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (akflyer)
13. 12:06 PM - Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion (akflyer)
14. 12:34 PM - Re: Installation of a 912S (Clint Bazzill)
15. 12:52 PM - Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion (dave)
16. 01:02 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (dave)
17. 02:01 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (SkySteve)
18. 03:42 PM - Re: Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion (Noel Loveys)
19. 03:47 PM - Re: Re: Oil injection conversion (Dave G)
20. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion (Noel Loveys)
21. 03:55 PM - Re: Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion (Noel Loveys)
22. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Display (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
23. 06:47 PM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (akflyer)
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank venting |
Randy , I am not sure if it is high pressure or not there. I have done tuft testing
there and the tufts lift up in front the cap and the rest go around it
.
I know once I was transferring fuel from wing tanks to dash tank and I overfilled
it , the gas was coming out the pitot tube and spraying on the windshield.
Nut sure what that tells you other than I am a dunce.
I don't think I would want to take a chance on siphoning having a open vent on
the cap.
> Bob,
> That area on top of the cowling ahead of the windshield is a high pressure
> area. The pitot vent is not needed there.
>
> Randy
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| Subject: | Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion |
Well, said Deke ! My dad always used to say "How come there are more
horses a&%es then there are horses ? I hope the new guy stays on the list after
being personally insulted by junior. Pretty soon it will be all of us.
Dick Maddux
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| Subject: | Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion |
Since you guys want to rattle on about JetPilot
just check his youtube profile
http://www.youtube.com/user/JetPilott
Click on more info under his name and see all the porn and crap he has tagged there.
I sure would not post it here.
Certainly he has tied in Kitfox with all kinds of pornographic stuff. He must
think it doe something for him but to me it makes he wife in the movies look like
she from the same porn background.
enuff said .
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank venting |
All,
I built a Model 4 XL with a Rotax 503 some years back that had a ten gallon
aluminum dash tank that I built and two six gallon wing tanks. Wing tanks
had standard fuel caps with pitots and shutoffs at the wing root ribs. They
each feed into one of two top ports in the dash tank. Dash tank had a filler
cap that protruded up through the cowl and the cap was not vented (No over
flow spillage if I overfilled while transferring from my wing tanks). Dash
tank had a vent port from the top of the tank to the top port on the right
wing tank. Dash tank had a 12 volt float system with a gauge on the dash. I
would fly until I was at half tank on the dash tank and then transfer from
one wing tank or the other, the amber lines feeding the dash tank ran down
each door post so I was able to see the fuel flow. Some times in flight fuel
did not want to flow so I would put the plane into a forward slip with that
wing high to get it started. I discovered later if I was to transfer some
from each tank so the lines were full and then shut off the valves it would
begin flowing better once in flight.
Lloyd Cudnohufsky
Model 5 912ul
IVO IFA Rebuild
Northern Mi.
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:02 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: fuel tank venting
Randy , I am not sure if it is high pressure or not there. I have done
tuft testing there and the tufts lift up in front the cap and the rest go
around it .
I know once I was transferring fuel from wing tanks to dash tank and I
overfilled it , the gas was coming out the pitot tube and spraying on the
windshield. Nut sure what that tells you other than I am a dunce.
I don't think I would want to take a chance on siphoning having a open vent
on the cap.
> Bob,
> That area on top of the cowling ahead of the windshield is a high pressure
> area. The pitot vent is not needed there.
>
> Randy
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| Subject: | Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion |
Dave, where do you see that? I looked on the link you sent and didn't see any
of that.
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Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion
Sent: Apr 8, 2009 10:02 AM
Since you guys want to rattle on about JetPilot
just check his youtube profile
http://www.youtube.com/user/JetPilott
Click on more info under his name and see all the porn and crap he has tagged there.
I sure would not post it here.
Certainly he has tied in Kitfox with all kinds of pornographic stuff. He must
think it doe something for him but to me it makes he wife in the movies look like
she from the same porn background.
enuff said .
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| Subject: | Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG2Q3ojeCgI
just click more info under his name
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank venting |
Lloyd,
My poly tank has no vent built into it but I think you need to have a vent somewhere
or you could starve for gas. I have a shut off for each with tank so if
they both shut off I have no venting at all on dash tank.
So it seems necessary to have a vent and in my case the pitot serves the purpose.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Oil injection conversion |
Enough already! This kind of thing is both off-topic and irrelevant.
If you want to gossip, take it off list.
Mike G.
Kitfox List Moderator
>Since you guys want to rattle on about JetPilot just check his
>youtube profile...
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| Subject: | Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion |
On Wed, April 8, 2009 9:04 am, dave wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG2Q3ojeCgI
>
> just click more info under his name
That's a list of search tags, nothing more. His videos have trikes in them. And
his
Spanish speaking wife.
In my experience with usenet, maillists, forums, bogs and the like, it usually
provokes ill will in one or more people if you take any kind of a potshot at anyone.
Pretty often it happens that what was said was incorrect or based on
misinterpretation. The old terminology for this dialogue damaging scenario is flame
wars.
Some people are really skilled at constructive criticism like Deke. Some are always
tactful like Lowell or Noel. I've decided these are personally developed skills.
I
can't do what Deke does but I can contribute some facts now and then.
Anyway, best not taking pot shots at people. They could just get embarrassed or
even
mad and irritated and then we lose them. That's not so good for anyone.
BTW, on the two stroke oil issue, many years ago I researched this quite extensively
and I seem to recall that at the time, there were approved fully synthetic oils
for
100:1 use. I can't remember if that was for premix or automixing. I also seem to
recall that the injection rate can be changed by changing oils. that is without
making
any adjustments to the engine, the mix can change maybe with viscosity. Well, I
can't
find that info anymore so it might be a wrong recollection. As to Amsoil, whether
or
not is is any good, the Amway-like marketing scheme turns me off enough that I
would
never consider those products. I just probably turned the flame gun on myself.
:(
--
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| Subject: | Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion |
Paul ,
Injection on Rotax is geared and not adjustable. It meters the oil by throttle
position.
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| Subject: | Installation of a 912S |
I know of some list members who swiched from a Rotax 912 to 912 S 100hp
engine in a Classic 1V before. Is there any major modifications to the
frame or engine mounts or cowling to perform in order to do that?
Secondly, is it worthed the the expense in terms of performance? I=92m
thinking of taking advantage of Rotax exchange program, wich ends at the
end of this month.
Jack
C-FASJ
Classic 1V
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
for anyone intersted in these units, here is a site that has them for $116.95 alot
less than I paid for mine a couple years ago.
http://www.roguewavemarine.com/store/northstar-fuel-210-f210-pr-12173.html
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| Subject: | Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion |
dave wrote:
> Since you guys want to rattle on about JetPilot
> just check his youtube profile
> http://www.youtube.com/user/JetPilott
>
> Click on more info under his name and see all the porn and crap he has tagged
there. I sure would not post it here.
>
> Certainly he has tied in Kitfox with all kinds of pornographic stuff. He must
think it doe something for him but to me it makes he wife in the movies look
like she from the same porn background.
>
> enuff said .
To each his own. To attack his wife has just crossed the line. If you have an
issue with a particular person, talk to him about it, you bring family in and
it turns into an instant Roy D. Mercer moment. I guess he is a bit more forgiving
than I am or you would be visited by a large burly Italian guy who would
love to show you the back pasture.
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| Subject: | Installation of a 912S |
I have converted from a 912IUL to a 912ULS in 1999. The only problem with
a 912ULS is the forward engine mounts are approx 1/8 to 3/16 inch further f
orward. The oil tank is a little higher in the ULS. I used my old tank an
d gave the new tank to the new owner. I use slightly different power setti
ngs as I have an IVO prop. Performance is great wlith a Model IV. You can
call me off line for more info if you desire.
Clint Bazzill Model IV-1200 1430 hours. (650) 712-1802
From: Jacques.Voynaud@cegepat.qc.ca
Subject: Kitfox-List: Installation of a 912S
I know of some list members who swiched from a Rotax 912 to 912 S 100hp eng
ine in a Classic 1V before. Is there any major modifications to the frame o
r engine mounts or cowling to perform in order to do that? Secondly=2C is i
t worthed the the expense in terms of performance? I=92m thinking of taking
advantage of Rotax exchange program=2C wich ends at the end of this month.
Jack
C-FASJ
Classic 1V
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| Subject: | Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion |
nice to see this forum still the same .
Later.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
Fuel flow 117 $ here I got mine about 3 years ago from them and got it overnight
to Canada .
http://www.boatersland.com/f210.html
Good place to do business with
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
It turned out that mine DID have a direct short in the transducer. I sent it back
to Navico (the mfg or importer) in Tulsa, OK and they say they are going to
replace it. However, they are out of stock until sometime between April 15-30.
Waiting . . . . .[Rolling Eyes]
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Kitfox Model 1- 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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| Subject: | Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion |
Dave I couldn't find a "more" link. I don't think I can hold it against the
guy that he happens to have a nice looking wife. They live in Florida so I
don't expect her to dress like an inuit.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:33 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion
Since you guys want to rattle on about JetPilot
just check his youtube profile
http://www.youtube.com/user/JetPilott
Click on more info under his name and see all the porn and crap he has
tagged there. I sure would not post it here.
Certainly he has tied in Kitfox with all kinds of pornographic stuff. He
must think it doe something for him but to me it makes he wife in the movies
look like she from the same porn background.
enuff said .
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| Subject: | Re: Oil injection conversion |
Just curious, what Amsoil are you planning to use? While they do not provide
detailed oil use information on their website they do indicate oil usage at
100:1 or richer and most of their 100:1 oils appear to specify 50:1 in
premix.
I have never seen even the very best 2 stroke oils, synthetic or
conventional (mineral) cause problems when used at engine makers specified
ratio including very rich 20:1 in an engine with plain bearings.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rawheels" <rawheels@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:03 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oil injection conversion
>
> For anyone who does a future search on this topic. I did get an answer to
> the question from a couple of people that sent private messages:
>
> The answer is no. There is no known way to modify the oil injection system
> to run at a non-standard ratio, and not really worth risking it.
>
> If you are like me, and would like to re-install that system on your
> aircraft, you will need to find an appropriate 50:1 oil. Luckily, if
> you've made it this far, you already read plenty of good suggestions on
> alternatives. Or, you can search for the next post "Great Oil Debate".
>
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> Kitfox IV-1200
> Indianapolis, IN
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238192#238192
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion |
Found the tags... Lots of guys used to use meta tags to try to increase
traffic to their sites. I have no idea why any one would want extra traffic
unless they were getting paid for banners. Never th4e less it doesn't mean
he produces them just that more people may look at his clips hoping to see a
little mile high.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:33 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion
Since you guys want to rattle on about JetPilot
just check his youtube profile
http://www.youtube.com/user/JetPilott
Click on more info under his name and see all the porn and crap he has
tagged there. I sure would not post it here.
Certainly he has tied in Kitfox with all kinds of pornographic stuff. He
must think it doe something for him but to me it makes he wife in the movies
look like she from the same porn background.
enuff said .
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| Subject: | Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection conversion |
Try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG2Q3ojeCgI You will see his name on the
top right side two lines below it click on "more" It's just a bunch of meta
tags used to attract searchbots.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Scott
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Oil injection conversionOil injection
conversion
Dave, where do you see that? I looked on the link you sent and didn't see
any of that.
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Click on more info under his name and see all the porn and crap he has
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Certainly he has tied in Kitfox with all kinds of pornographic stuff. He
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
On Wed, April 8, 2009 11:55 am, akflyer wrote:
>
> for anyone intersted in these units, here is a site that has them for $116.95
alot
> less than I paid for mine a couple years ago.
>
> http://www.roguewavemarine.com/store/northstar-fuel-210-f210-pr-12173.html
I just had a look and was surprised to read this:
# Instant fuel flow: 2.5 to 130 Liters/hour, 1.3 to 36 US gallons/hour
I wonder if they can be furnished with a bit lower flow range. What happens at
idle?
Do you get a zero reading? It would seem to me that the capacity range would be
more
ideal if it were from 0.1 to 10 gal/hr.
I don't know what to do for fuel gauges. The wing tanks I have are aluminum but
fairly
flat and the are aligned parallel with the bottom of the wing so no float type
gauge
is going to work especially in the top or bottom quarter of the tank and in between
it
would be so non-linear that wouldn't work. I could put site glasses on them but
that
would mean disconnecting the lines to them to remove my wings. The other alternative
is to use the full immersion type sensor that you can calibrate but that would
cost
%500/tank or more. So I considering using just one of these flow sensors, keeping
track of fill points. might be a problem is you just add some fuel but don't fill
the
tanks. Not sure if you could reset the gauge to a particular setting.
Must be more than one of you has thought through this problem. Even if you haven't
finished the process, your ideas so far would be appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
at 1600 rpm idle it shows a steady .5 GPH. It will cover you for all that you
need in the plane. As with any instrument, it will have a range that it is most
accurate in, but lets be realistic, you will probably start up and idle for
5 minutes or so till she's warm, then you will be well above the the range specified
for flight, then maybe 5 or 6 minutes of idle time to land and taxi in
and shut down. The fuel burned in that small amount of time is not really going
to affect you measurements, as you reset the fuel on board each time you fill
up or put gas in (at least I do) and that means for me every flight. I don't
fill the tanks to the brim when I am planning a short flight of say an hour.
Why have 6 hrs of fuel on board. I put in what I need, and a little reserve
for each flight.
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