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1. 02:50 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Display (Lynn Matteson)
2. 04:50 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (Catz631@aol.com)
3. 05:12 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (Catz631@AOL.COM)
4. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Display (paul wilson)
5. 07:27 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Display (fox5flyer)
6. 09:07 AM - Nanco 21X12X8 tires (Lowell Fitt)
7. 01:32 PM - Re: Nanco 21X12X8 tires (Lynn Matteson)
8. 05:26 PM - Warp Drive Prop pitch on 582. (815TL)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
Mine shows down to .1 or .2 when I'm on final or taxiing....can't
recall which, as I'm doing other things at the time, but it's low.
This is the Northstar F210 that I'm talking about. Of course, my idle
is about 500-800 rpm.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 624.3 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Apr 8, 2009, at 9:46 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
> at 1600 rpm idle it shows a steady .5 GPH. It will cover you for
> all that you need in the plane. As with any instrument, it will
> have a range that it is most accurate in, but lets be realistic,
> you will probably start up and idle for 5 minutes or so till she's
> warm, then you will be well above the the range specified for
> flight, then maybe 5 or 6 minutes of idle time to land and taxi in
> and shut down. The fuel burned in that small amount of time is not
> really going to affect you measurements, as you reset the fuel on
> board each time you fill up or put gas in (at least I do) and that
> means for me every flight. I don't fill the tanks to the brim
> when I am planning a short flight of say an hour. Why have 6 hrs
> of fuel on board. I put in what I need, and a little reserve for
> each flight.
>
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> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
Thanks for the update Steve ! Mine has worked fine so far although I had to
adjust the fuel flow up a bit on the instrument to equal the actual fuel
being used. It is really a handy unit to have especially during turbulent
conditions.It's nice to see a steady fuel quantity.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
912 UL
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
I too, like Leonard , indicate about . 5 gal per hour at idle. When I am at
cruise the factory preset indication was showing about 3.5 gph which was
working out a little low so I adjusted it up to about 4 gph. I am still in the
process of tweaking it but it is really close enough.
I keep my plane in a hanger at my airpark so when I put in an additional 5
gal from my gas bowser I adjust the total on board quantity on the gauge to
match the wing tank sight gauge indications as the plane sits on the
ground. I have drained the tanks about 4 times and the sight gauge indication
(ground) is very close to the actual fuel on board.
As mentioned previously my sight gauges bounce all over the place in
flight so it is nice to look at a digital fuel quantity on a gauge. So far, the
Northstar has worked out really well and was a good economical addition.
Dick Maddux
Pensacola,Fl
**************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10
or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
An in tank version that seems popular is the capacitance type. It can
be cut to fit your tank. Check the suppliers.
As far as the Northstar goes. I think if you are concerned just run
a calibration test. Use your shutoff valve to throttle the gravity
flow into a calibrated catch can. Then compare what you get from the reading.
Paul
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At 06:34 PM 4/8/2009, you wrote:
><paul@eucleides.com>
>
>On Wed, April 8, 2009 11:55 am, akflyer wrote:
> >
> > for anyone intersted in these units, here is a site that has them
> for $116.95 alot
> > less than I paid for mine a couple years ago.
> >
> > http://www.roguewavemarine.com/store/northstar-fuel-210-f210-pr-12173.html
>
>I just had a look and was surprised to read this:
>
># Instant fuel flow: 2.5 to 130 Liters/hour, 1.3 to 36 US gallons/hour
>
>I wonder if they can be furnished with a bit lower flow range. What
>happens at idle?
>Do you get a zero reading? It would seem to me that the capacity
>range would be more
>ideal if it were from 0.1 to 10 gal/hr.
>
>I don't know what to do for fuel gauges. The wing tanks I have are
>aluminum but fairly
>flat and the are aligned parallel with the bottom of the wing so no
>float type gauge
>is going to work especially in the top or bottom quarter of the tank
>and in between it
>would be so non-linear that wouldn't work. I could put site glasses
>on them but that
>would mean disconnecting the lines to them to remove my wings. The
>other alternative
>is to use the full immersion type sensor that you can calibrate but
>that would cost
>%500/tank or more. So I considering using just one of these flow
>sensors, keeping
>track of fill points. might be a problem is you just add some fuel
>but don't fill the
>tanks. Not sure if you could reset the gauge to a particular setting.
>
>Must be more than one of you has thought through this problem. Even
>if you haven't
>finished the process, your ideas so far would be appreciated.
>
>--
>Paul A. Franz
>Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
>Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
>Bellevue WA
>425.241.1618 Cell
>
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>He should read books that furnish him with ideas that will be useful
>to him in life and practice. As soon as he opens his lips, he should
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>
>"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that
>of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others,
>who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and
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>industry and the fruits acquired by it."
>-- Thomas Jefferson
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Display |
Another one that might be considered for those who are seeking options
is FloScan. The company has been around a long time and has been
producing flow instruments for boats and (I think) a certified unit for
airplanes. I bought one in 2000 that has been working fine since then
and required no calibration. Very accurate right out of the box. Mine
is an analog unit which I prefer as I don't have to read it. Just a
glance tells me what my flow is. They have many models including
digital. Mine has a span of 0-10 gallons which works well for me as I
use about 9gph when at full power climb, then at cruise about 4gph.
I did have to replace the transducer though. At about the 250 hour
point the rubber seals in it began to dissolve which showed up in the
sump checks. After speaking with the tech support they told me that it
was because of the new additives in fuel and sent me a new unit with
different seals which was a plug and play swap. Also it appears to be a
more robust unit.
Most boat vendors will have it in stock. Googling will get tons of
hits.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Catz631@AOL.COM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel Flow Display
I too, like Leonard , indicate about . 5 gal per hour at idle. When I
am at cruise the factory preset indication was showing about 3.5 gph
which was working out a little low so I adjusted it up to about 4 gph. I
am still in the process of tweaking it but it is really close enough.
I keep my plane in a hanger at my airpark so when I put in an
additional 5 gal from my gas bowser I adjust the total on board quantity
on the gauge to match the wing tank sight gauge indications as the plane
sits on the ground. I have drained the tanks about 4 times and the sight
gauge indication (ground) is very close to the actual fuel on board.
As mentioned previously my sight gauges bounce all over the place in
flight so it is nice to look at a digital fuel quantity on a gauge. So
far, the Northstar has worked out really well and was a good economical
addition.
Dick Maddux
Pensacola,Fl
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| Subject: | Nanco 21X12X8 tires |
Hello List.
HighWing LLC is now able to supply the smooth tread Nanco 21X12X8 tires. As
seen on Dick Maddox new gear ;-) . They will be on the website soon.
To order, call Mark at 208-891-4041.
Price, $49.95 plus shipping.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Nanco 21X12X8 tires |
Each? Pair?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 624.3 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Apr 9, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Hello List.
>
> HighWing LLC is now able to supply the smooth tread Nanco 21X12X8
> tires. As seen on Dick Maddox new gear ;-) . They will be on the
> website soon.
>
> To order, call Mark at 208-891-4041.
>
> Price, $49.95 plus shipping.
>
> Lowell
>
>
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| Subject: | Warp Drive Prop pitch on 582. |
Hi Guys,
Dave Patrick was nice enough to come out to my area to give me some serious training
over the next few days. We flew over 3 hours today.
Anyway he said that we are not turning high enough RPMs, and we are loosing a lot
of power. We should be climbing at close to 1000fpm, and we are doing maybe
400fpm. The RPMs at take off are only about 5700, and should be closer to 6200.
He wants to adjust the prop pitch, but we are not sure of what the degree
should be. Can anyone tell us what you are running, or point us in the right
direction to see what the degrees should be?
Thanks,
Andrew,
Kitfox II, 815TL, Rotax 582 C.
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