---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/11/09: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:02 AM - Re: Hour meter device (dave) 2. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: Hour meter device (Noel Loveys) 3. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: Hour meter device (Lowell Fitt) 4. 11:56 AM - Re: Re: Hour meter device (Dave G) 5. 01:19 PM - Re: Hour meter device (akflyer) 6. 02:06 PM - Re: Nanco 21X12X8 tires (Lynn Matteson) 7. 03:33 PM - Re: Avgas Stains (n85ae) 8. 05:24 PM - Re: Great Oil Debate (rawheels) 9. 05:28 PM - Re: Great Oil Debate (rawheels) 10. 06:50 PM - Re: Great Oil Debate (rawheels) 11. 07:51 PM - Re: Synthetic and Mineral oil compatibility/corrosion resistance (Paul Franz - Merlin GT) 12. 09:28 PM - Re: Re: Hour meter device (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 13. 09:43 PM - Sun and Fun (jason Parker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:45 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hour meter device From: "dave" Dave, Tiny tach has built in hour meter if you do not have one already plus I find them very accurate. The Rotax supplied Tachs I have found to be erratic. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ Awesome *New Forum * http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238681#238681 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:38 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Hour meter device Erratic... Dave you have a gift of the understatement! Mine read a consistent 20% too high across the board. Getting my plane off the water was always tricky and I didn't have any big hills or trees to worry about, not to mention the pond is only about eight feet above high tide. On installing the Tiny Tach the plane became a real performer. Takeoffs became thrilling. Initial climbs were just under 2000'/min and sustained climb to two thousand feet was just over a thousand feet a minute using an Ivo IFA prop. My advice is take the kitfox tach out, cut two notches in it and call it an ashtray. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 5:32 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hour meter device Dave, Tiny tach has built in hour meter if you do not have one already plus I find them very accurate. The Rotax supplied Tachs I have found to be erratic. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ Awesome *New Forum * http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238681#238681 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:04 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hour meter device To each his own, I guess. I, as well, found the Rotax Tach, or at least the one supplied with the early kits to fluctuate with temperature. Winter, one reading, Summer, another. I bought an inexpensive model airplane optical tach, glued a conversion chart on it's back (a little spreadhseet work) and mounted a thumb wheel over the adjustment screw on the panel tach and could and did calibrate the original tach regularly - while in flight. For some reason I like the looks of the round instruments, especially the glance at the analog dial telling me what I needed to know without interpreting tiny numbers, and the traditional look of the panel. It worked for me. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel Loveys" Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Hour meter device > > Erratic... Dave you have a gift of the understatement! Mine read a > consistent 20% too high across the board. Getting my plane off the water > was always tricky and I didn't have any big hills or trees to worry about, > not to mention the pond is only about eight feet above high tide. > > On installing the Tiny Tach the plane became a real performer. Takeoffs > became thrilling. Initial climbs were just under 2000'/min and sustained > climb to two thousand feet was just over a thousand feet a minute using an > Ivo IFA prop. > > My advice is take the kitfox tach out, cut two notches in it and call it > an > ashtray. > > Noel > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 5:32 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hour meter device > > > Dave, > > > Tiny tach has built in hour meter if you do not have one already plus I > find > them very accurate. The Rotax supplied Tachs I have found to be erratic. > > -------- > Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada > http://www.cfisher.com/ > Awesome *New Forum * > http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ > Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth > http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238681#238681 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:42 AM PST US From: "Dave G" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hour meter device I like the tiny tach, I have nothing against the Rotax one either. I was more thinking of this one device and what might be inside a piece of squashed tube that would accomplish the desired task. I figure there a a number of Schottky diodes in TO-220 package that would fit. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:15 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hour meter device From: "akflyer" You can just get an AC tach and splice in a wire to it from the coil output. This way power only goes to the meter when the engine is running. That is the way my brothers kitfox was set up. When I was replacing the voltage regulator on his, I glanced at the wire going through the fire wall and thought to myself... dang, there is nothing in the plane that runs off AC so I snipped the wire and put heat shrink on it..... then we noticed the hour meter no longer worked. I dug into it a little deeper, traced the wire and felt like an idiot.. It really is not too bad feeling that way, I am getting used to it. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry aka SNAKE Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 hander outer of humorless darwin awards Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238719#238719 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:43 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Nanco 21X12X8 tires Thanks, Lowell.....with the recent post of $70 for two (of some kind of tire), it was too close to try to guess. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 624.3 hrs Sensenich 62x46 Electroair direct-fire ignition system Status: flying do not archive On Apr 10, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote: > > > Sorry, that is per each. > > Lowell > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:29 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Nanco 21X12X8 tires > > >> Each? Pair? >> Lynn Matteson >> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger >> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 624.3 hrs >> Sensenich 62x46 >> Electroair direct-fire ignition system >> Status: flying >> do not archive >> On Apr 9, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hello List. >>> >>> HighWing LLC is now able to supply the smooth tread Nanco >>> 21X12X8 tires. As seen on Dick Maddox new gear ;-) . They will >>> be on the website soon. >>> >>> To order, call Mark at 208-891-4041. >>> >>> Price, $49.95 plus shipping. >>> >>> Lowell >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:30 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Avgas Stains From: "n85ae" Weekend Update Magic Eraser = No Go Avgas = A little bit Denatured Alchohol + Elbow Grease = Worked Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238729#238729 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:44 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Great Oil Debate From: "rawheels" occom wrote: > Just curious, what Amsoil are you planning to use? While they do not provide > detailed oil use information on their website they do indicate oil usage at > 100:1 or richer and most of their 100:1 oils appear to specify 50:1 in > premix Occom, They are all API-TC certified, but I have been using the Amsoil Saber Pro 100:1. The idea was that it was twice as expensive as the Pennzoil, but you used half as much. When I get back to 50:1 for the oil injection, I could use the same or go to the HP or Intercepter which are designed as 50:1, but they are almost the same price. That being said, if I am going to pay the extra money (which I will do, since I do not care for the Pennzoil), then I might as well look at the others mentioned (XPS, Citgo, etc) since they would now be equal in price or even cheaper per gallon. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238733#238733 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:50 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Great Oil Debate From: "rawheels" Are the BPM XP-S/XPS Synthetic and Mineral oils compatible with each other? Meaning, could you run the synthetic during the main flying season to capitalize on it's properties, and then start using the mineral oil just before the "slow" season to help with corrosion? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238734#238734 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:50 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Great Oil Debate From: "rawheels" How about the oils listed in Rotax SI-2ST-008 (2-cycle)? Anybody use those? To read go to http://www.rotax-owner.com/ Click the "Information Service Bulletins" button. (lower left) On next page, click the "Information Service Bulletins" button, again. Click the "All 2 (or 4) stroke Service Instruction Documents" and then the "Search" button. You can sign-in as a guest if the site asks. This service information was generated recently so the bulletins are located at the end of the list. 2-cycle number is SI-2ST-008 4-cycle numbers are SI912-016 and SI914-019 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238740#238740 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:40 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Synthetic and Mineral oil compatibility/corrosion resistance From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" On Sat, April 11, 2009 5:27 pm, rawheels wrote: > Are the BPM XP-S/XPS Synthetic and Mineral oils compatible with each other? Switching kinds does not give rise to compatibility problems it's mixing them that is the problem. There may be some incompatible additives in various motor oils so mixing those oil types in a batch could be the problem but when there is only a trace amount of one left over during a change of type, there is no problem. > Meaning, > could you run the synthetic during the main flying season to capitalize on it's > properties, and then start using the mineral oil just before the "slow" season to help > with corrosion? Whether or not there is a difference in corrosion resistance between full synthetic and straight mineral oil it is of little concern compared to protecting bearing surfaces and cylinder walls from condensation. Keeping the engine warm and dry is a far more significant anti-corrosion factor than worrying about the slight difference in residual oil coating remaining between synthetic and mineral oil. I believe best practice is to store an unused engine out of the weather and if it is not going to be used for an extended period of time, then misting the internals with oil is best practice. If the air in and around the engine is only a few degrees warmer than the ambient outside air temperature, it will almost certainly be above the dew point and therefore, no condensation will occur. Usually the coldest time of the day is night time and even an unheated hangar will be warmer at night than outside so that really reduces the chance of condensation. The heat from a 60W light bulb inside a closed engine cowling will keep the air inside considerably warmer than ambient and therefore above dew point. I think the most important factor for selecting a two stroke oil for a relatively expensive engine such as a Rotax or a boat motor is first getting one that produces the least fouling on the piston crown and rings and in the exhaust system then wear protection would be the next biggest consideration. For me, using 100LL (Avgas) in these engines would be out of the question. In fact, even thinking of it, gives me a headache. -- Paul A. Franz Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP Bellevue WA 425.241.1618 Cell Airplanes are interesting toys but of no military value. -- Marechal Ferdinand Foch, Professor of Strategy, Ecole Superieure de Guerre There is perhaps in every thing of any consequence, secret history, which it would be amusing to know, could we have it authentically communicated. -- James Boswell I'm proud to be paying taxes in the United States. The only thing is -- I could be just as proud for half the money. -- Arthur Godfrey We should have a great many fewer disputes in the world if only words were taken for what they are, the signs of our ideas only, and not for things themselves. -- John Locke ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:50 PM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Hour meter device There is also a vibration activated hour meter that you can buy. It runs w hen the engine causes the panel to vibrate. No wires to hook up. Wag-Aero has them for $34. in their last catalog. Jim Chuk Avids Kitfox 4 Mn > From: occom@ns.sympatico.ca > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hour meter device > Date: Sat=2C 11 Apr 2009 15:55:40 -0300 > > > I like the tiny tach=2C I have nothing against the Rotax one either. I wa s > more thinking of this one device and what might be inside a piece of > squashed tube that would accomplish the desired task. I figure there a a > number of Schottky diodes in TO-220 package that would fit. > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail=AE: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_ Storage1_042009 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:47 PM PST US From: jason Parker Subject: Kitfox-List: Sun and Fun Extreme Fuel Injection will be at Sun and Fun with the Just Aircraft Group. Come check out Fuel injected engines in person. So far only 1 person has put a extreme 914 in a kitfox, but I'm hoping get more interest. 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