---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/12/09: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:36 AM - fuel tank grounding (bob noffs) 2. 03:54 AM - Re: Great Oil Debate (dave) 3. 04:27 AM - Re: Re: Great Oil Debate (fox5flyer) 4. 04:40 AM - Re: Great Oil Debate (dave) 5. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: Great Oil Debate (Noel Loveys) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:47 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: fuel tank grounding From: bob noffs hi all, a friend and i have been talking about grounding tanks. some testing had showed on his plane the anodized coating of fittings had prevented the metal fuel lines from completing the ground to a tank. he fitted all his tanks with grounding wires and the owner of an antique certified aircraft from a nearby hangar stopped by. they then went to that aircraft and checked and NO GROUND. in the past 2 yrs. i have seen a plane at my airport on fire because of static at the fuel pump. check your grounds! bob noffs ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:28 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Great Oil Debate From: "dave" Ryan, I have mentioned in the past posts about Shell Advance oil we have available her in Canada. As well as Csstrol super 2 stroke oil that you might find at Walmart. ? Read the labels, you want API- TC rating. It can be TCW3 rated as well at API.tc but not just TCW3 as that is outboard oil and not to be used. You see outboard engines have a constant supply of water at ? 32 F to 90F all the time. Heck our thermostats do not even open untill 135F . 582s like 160 to 176 F. Regardless , it remains the same API-TC. I don;t see Amsoil there . I can only tell you that I have no issues with what I use nor any of my locals. Forget about the 100 to 1 stuff. Oil injection is the leanest you want to go. It is automatic. If you doing aerobatics and doing neg Gs then i would consider pre mix. Hope this helps, -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ Awesome *New Forum * http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238755#238755 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:31 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Great Oil Debate Good post, thanks. Deke do not archive > > How about the oils listed in Rotax SI-2ST-008 (2-cycle)? Anybody use > those? > > To read go to http://www.rotax-owner.com/ > > Click the "Information Service Bulletins" button. (lower left) > > On next page, click the "Information Service Bulletins" button, again. > > Click the "All 2 (or 4) stroke Service Instruction Documents" and then the > "Search" button. > > You can sign-in as a guest if the site asks. > > This service information was generated recently so the bulletins are > located at the end of the list. > > 2-cycle number is SI-2ST-008 > 4-cycle numbers are SI912-016 and SI914-019 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238740#238740 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:57 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Great Oil Debate From: "dave" Deke, I put this up the other day. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238595#238595 I just edited it - adding 503 /582 engines have the same approval for the use of ethanol fuel . That doc that Ryan posted covers that. This might be the link here http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/serviceinfo/si-2st-008.pdf So just make sure the restof your fuel system can handle it . My Tanks are 1992-93 tanks with NO KREEM and I have run over 2000 gallons of ethanol gas through them and had NO issues YET. My only beef on Ethanol Gas is you get less power and use more fuel .SO FAR . Fox5flyer wrote: > Good post, thanks. > Deke > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > How about the oils listed in Rotax SI-2ST-008 (2-cycle)? Anybody use > > those? > > > > To read go to http://www.rotax-owner.com/ > > > > Click the "Information Service Bulletins" button. (lower left) > > > > On next page, click the "Information Service Bulletins" button, again. > > > > Click the "All 2 (or 4) stroke Service Instruction Documents" and then the > > "Search" button. > > > > You can sign-in as a guest if the site asks. > > > > This service information was generated recently so the bulletins are > > located at the end of the list. > > > > 2-cycle number is SI-2ST-008 > > 4-cycle numbers are SI912-016 and SI914-019 > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 38740#238740 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ Awesome *New Forum * http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=238761#238761 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:25 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Great Oil Debate You have to be very careful when it comes to the API ratings... API-TC rated and API-TC certified are two completely different animals. The first one says manufacturer warrants the oil to pass some of the API specs. Usually the container will say something like, "Meets or exceeds API-TC specifications. The other is actually passed by API and is very expensive to obtain. On that container the label will say API-TC certified. Many oil manufacturers walk the legal tightrope on this issue because the API certification is difficult and expensive to obtain. I have been to one shop where they had several brands and blends of two stroke oil. Almost every bottle advertised API-TC, not to mention TCW-3. But only one, surprisingly not the most expensive, said API-TC certified and actually carried the API seal. I guess when it comes to oil we should follow the grocery shopping credo and read the labels carefully. Amazing to be discussing oils this late in the winter when we all should be digging our planes out of the drifts and getting ready to fly :-) Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rawheels Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 9:54 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Great Oil Debate occom wrote: > Just curious, what Amsoil are you planning to use? While they do not provide > detailed oil use information on their website they do indicate oil usage at > 100:1 or richer and most of their 100:1 oils appear to specify 50:1 in > premix Occom, They are all API-TC certified, but I have been using the Amsoil Saber Pro 100:1. The idea was that it was twice as expensive as the Pennzoil, but you used half as much. When I get back to 50:1 for the oil injection, I could use the same or go to the HP or Intercepter which are designed as 50:1, but they are almost the same price. That being said, if I am going to pay the extra money (which I will do, since I do not care for the Pennzoil), then I might as well look at the others mentioned (XPS, Citgo, etc) since they would now be equal in price or even cheaper per gallon. 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