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Mon 04/20/09


Total Messages Posted: 28



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     1. 01:12 AM - New Control stick (Cwehner)
     2. 03:30 AM - Re: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City (Lynn Matteson)
     3. 07:59 AM - Ellison Throttle Body Problems (earnestj0)
     4. 08:06 AM - Re: New Control stick (Cwehner)
     5. 08:34 AM - Re: Tool Kit (Joel)
     6. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: New Control stick (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
     7. 10:13 AM - Re: New Control stick (Av8r3400)
     8. 01:49 PM - Re: Tool Kit (fox5flyer)
     9. 01:52 PM - Re: Tool Kit (fox5flyer)
    10. 01:53 PM - Re: Tool Kit (fox5flyer)
    11. 02:03 PM - Re: Re: Tool Kit (fox5flyer)
    12. 02:03 PM - Re: Ellison Throttle Body Problems (fox5flyer)
    13. 02:22 PM - Re: Tool Kit (Cudnohufsky's)
    14. 03:04 PM - Re: Sight guages (Guy Buchanan)
    15. 03:09 PM - Re: Tool Kit (patrick reilly)
    16. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: Brake Bleeder (Noel Loveys)
    17. 03:23 PM - Re: Tool Kit (Noel Loveys)
    18. 03:44 PM - Re: Ellison Throttle Body Problems (earnestj0)
    19. 03:52 PM - Re: Tool Kit (Noel Loveys)
    20. 04:09 PM - Re: Re: Ellison Throttle Body Problems (fox5flyer)
    21. 04:11 PM - Re: Brake Lines (Ken Potter)
    22. 05:11 PM - Re: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City (Dwight Purdy)
    23. 05:48 PM - Re: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City (Pete Christensen)
    24. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Brake Lines (Noel Loveys)
    25. 06:28 PM - Big Foot Rudder Mods (nick4853)
    26. 09:02 PM - Re: New Control stick (WurlyBird)
    27. 09:22 PM - Charging system trouble shooting (WurlyBird)
    28. 11:17 PM - Re: New Control stick (Cwehner)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:12:27 AM PST US
    Subject: New Control stick
    From: "Cwehner" <1cewehner@cox.net>
    After being inspired by a friends Schweitzer (helicopter) control stick I decided to design and fabricate new control sticks that would keep the grip in the same location as the stock grip but have absolutely no contact with the seat in aft positions. After finally talking a local tube bending machine shop into taking a crack at it (without a minimum order of a 100 sticks) here's what I came up with. Our new grips were a few inches taller than the generic stock grips so I was able to modify them to have the stick enter through the front instead of the bottom thus lowering the grip an inch without lowering the stick. Shot it with an etching primer and an auto urethane to match the plane powder-coat. -------- Chris Wehner Tulsa, Oklahoma Kitfox IV, 912, Final push for completion! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240240#240240 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cntrl1_505.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/cntrl2_149.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/cntrl3_792.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/cntrl4_145.jpg


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    Time: 03:30:02 AM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
    I can't figure it out, Lowell....back then I was a 7-month rookie pilot, didn't have Garmin's Pilot My-Cast on my cell phone, didn't do any weather watching the first two days, but I did end up 4-5 miles from my 2nd destination and had to turn back a few miles to find shelter from a storm. I had 3 short-flying days out of 11 traveling days for the whole 6300-mile trip, and the rest were beautiful, as was your fly-in. I can only chalk it up to rookie enthusiasm, AND flying alone. I think I would have set out for Sun 'n' Fun last Friday, had it not been for another pilot's input on this trip. We were set to leave but he checked the weather one last time and didn't like what he saw, then the whole conversation turned to talk of hurricanes, planes flipped upside down, stuck in motels, etc., and the trip was off. Left alone, I probably would have headed out, but thinking back on it, I wasn't ALL that enthused about the trip in the first place...Sun 'n' Fun that is. So like a true Libra, I flip- flopped on my decision. I'm pretty sure my decision would have been different if I had been traveling alone, as I like to fly for more than the other flier's 4-5 hours, tops. Jeez, when I write it all down and look at it, I became a wuss on this trip......or a brave soul on the California trip, whatever. Maybe you need to plan another BBQ, Lowell, to lure me back out there. : ) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs Sensenich 62x46 Electroair direct-fire ignition system Status: flying do not archive On Apr 20, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote: > <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> > > Come, on Lynn, I'm offended now. You came to the very last Cameron > Park Kitfox fly-in and BBQ, and this way out on the Left Coast. > > Lowell > > Do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:15 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City > > >> >> That's always the way isn't it? I watched the weather channel, >> searched the weather on Pilot My-Cast, and it looked like a >> marginally do-able two days of flight if everything went well, >> but not so good if it didn't, so I opted to stay home. It's a >> different matter if you live closer, but a lot can happen within >> the 1000 miles that I would have had to fly. Hell, I was getting >> a pretty good bouncing around just flying down to Defiance, Ohio >> on Saturday. >> So have fun guys, I'm setting my sights...again...on The Festival >> of Flight in late May.....one of these days I'll actually get to >> something besides Oshkosh. : ) >> >> Lynn Matteson >> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger >> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs >> Sensenich 62x46 >> Electroair direct-fire ignition system >> Status: flying >> do not archive >> >> >> >> On Apr 19, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Aerobatics@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Already here.... >>> >>> weather great today.... >>> >>> In a message dated 4/19/2009 6:25:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >>> lynnmatt@jps.net writes: >>> >>> I have already cancelled my plans to go to S n F....too many storms >>> showing on the weather between here and there to try to make a >>> fly-in >>> that is not at the top of my list of places to go. >>> I don't particularly like their methods of charging in advance and >>> not giving back refunds. If this has changed, I'd like to know so I >>> don't hold a grudge against the organization. It's just NOT Oshkosh >>> in the way it operates....unless they've changed. >>> >>> Lynn Matteson >>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger >>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs >>> Sensenich 62x46 >>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system >>> Status: flying >>> do not archive >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 19, 2009, at 3:51 PM, FlyboyTR wrote: >>> >>> <flyboytr@bellsouth.net> >>> > >>> > Last year we flew into the Ultralight area. Always liked the UL >>> > area much better than the Homebuilt area for camping, access, etc. >>> > We have flown in and out of there many times in years pastbut >>> > this was the first time in the Vixen. No problems. I hate we >>> won >>> > t be able to make this year. We have plans to be at High Valley >>> > Resort in north Georgia that weekend. I have several pictures and >>> > diagrams of routing into the UL area at SNF. 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    Time: 07:59:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Ellison Throttle Body Problems
    From: "earnestj0" <earnestj@frontiernet.net>
    I have an Ellison EFS 3A on my Subaru turbo, Model V. I have adjusted the throttle body as described in the owners manual and when the engine is running it works very well. But I have problems getting it started. It takes 15 to 20 turns to get it going and sometimes after running for a while may take more. I have followed all the manufacturers recommendations and no improvement. This throttle body was rebuilt at Ellison last fall. Any suggestions would be helpful. Thanks Ted Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240294#240294


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    Time: 08:06:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Control stick
    From: "Cwehner" <1cewehner@cox.net>
    I also wanted to add that We'll be making the sticks removable (also inspired by my friends Schweitzer). I'm 6'4" and have a really hard time getting in and out with either stick. Instead of an AN3 bolt holding them in place, there will be a quick release ball lock pin. here- http://www.fixtureworks.net/Home/Tec...humbPath=5|0|0 And the wires will be connectect with a military quick release Cannon plug. here- http://www.ittcannon.com/product.aspx?id=1102 This is how my friends certified Helicopter has them done and it seems to work extremely well. It's so easy to get out of the plane with the stick not in it. -------- Chris Wehner Tulsa, Oklahoma Kitfox IV, 912, Final push for completion! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240297#240297


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    Time: 08:34:44 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tool Kit
    From: "Joel" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com>
    Toss in a roll of Rescue Tape, the silicone based self adhering stuff. It works extremely well for oil line and radiator hose repair. -------- Joel Mapes Kitfox 5 912 ULS Aerocomp amphibs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240302#240302


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    Time: 09:49:19 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Control stick
    From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>
    On Mon, April 20, 2009 8:05 am, Cwehner wrote: > > I also wanted to add that We'll be making the sticks removable (also inspired by my > friends Schweitzer). I'm 6'4" and have a really hard time getting in and out with > either stick. Instead of an AN3 bolt holding them in place, there will be a quick > release ball lock pin. here- http://www.fixtureworks.net/Home/Tec...humbPath=5|0|0 That link isn't a good one. I did a little fishing around and maybe you meant this one (as a tinyurl): <http://preview.tinyurl.com/cbuwpf> There's other's nearby though. > And the wires will be connectect with a military quick release Cannon plug. here- > http://www.ittcannon.com/product.aspx?id=1102 If I understand you correctly, every time you get in and out of your plane you will be unplugging this connector? I have an inclination to believe that this connector isn't intended for such frequent usage. But maybe you won't often have to disconnect it. Just pulling the lock pin and laying the stick to the side might be all you actually do most of the time. Thanks for the sources of these items. -- Paul A. Franz Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP Bellevue WA 425.241.1618 Cell THE LAST WORD "This year federal government spending will rise to 28.5 percent of GDP, the highest level ever, with the exception of the peak of the Second World War. The 44th president is proposing to add more to the national debt than the first 43 presidents combined, doubling it in the next six years, and tripling it within the decade. But to talk about it in percentages of this and trillions of that misses the point. It's not about bookkeeping, it's about government annexation of the economy, and thus of life: government supervision, government regulation, government control. No matter how small your small business is -- plumbing, hairdressing, maple-sugaring -- the state will be burdening you with more permits, more paperwork, more bureaucracy. And don't plan on moving. Ahead of this week's G20 summit in London, Timothy Geithner, America's beloved Toxic Asset, called for 'global regulation.' 'Our hope,' said Toxic Tim, 'is that we can work with Europe on a global framework, a global infrastructure which has appropriate global oversight.' 'Global oversight': Hmm. There's a phrase to savor. 'We can't,' he continued, 'allow institutions to cherry pick among competing regulators and ship risk to where it faces the lowest standards and weakest constraints.' Just as a matter of interest, why not? If you don't want to be subject to the punitive 'oversight' of economically illiterate, demagogic legislators-for-life like Barney Frank, why shouldn't you be 'allowed' to move your business to some jurisdiction with a lighter regulatory touch?" -- columnist Mark Steyn In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other. -- Voltaire (1764)


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    Time: 10:13:01 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Control stick
    From: "Av8r3400" <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
    Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote: > > > > > And the wires will be connectect with a military quick release Cannon plug. here- > > http://www.ittcannon.com/product.aspx?id=1102 > > > > > > If I understand you correctly, every time you get in and out of your plane you will be > unplugging this connector? I have an inclination to believe that this connector isn't > intended for such frequent usage. But maybe you won't often have to disconnect it. > Just pulling the lock pin and laying the stick to the side might be all you actually > do most of the time. > > Thanks for the sources of these items. > -- > P In Industry we call those Amphenol connectors. http://www.newark.com/jsp/brand/brands.jsp?mfg=AMPH&CMP=KNC-G10000027&HBX_PK=amphenol&HBX_OU=50&s_kwcid=TC They are for frequent use, especially the quick couplers like the one shown. Awesome idea. The ball-lock pin is a great idea too... -------- Thanks, Av8r3400 Currently between planes, but not for long... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240316#240316


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    Time: 01:49:35 PM PST US
    From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
    Subject: Re: Tool Kit
    Good reply, Paul. You make some good points. Thanks. 8" vice grips too heavy...agreed, I'll go with 6". It's a valuable tool that will do many things. Pliers will be with the leatherman. Box cutter...excellent! I have one that is plastic and weighs little. 18g wire. Good idea! I have a combo screwdriver that is a good one. 1/4 socket set... not sure about that one. I'll think about it. I know how to use wd40 to fill a tire. Done it several times, but won't work unless the bead is open. Swap 8" crescent for a 6"... good idea. Continuity tester... again, good idea Canvas--Cordura, doesn't matter. Either one, but Cordura might be a little lighter. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert > > OK. Fine tuning the list for weight would be a priority. I have the idea > that almost > no repair would be done ever away from home as one would rely on > assistance away from > home at any public place. Otherwise, you'd be discussing survival supplies > too. So, my > best guess is going to be weighted toward risk items. You skipped > electrical and that > is where you need some minimal tools. > >> 8" vice grips - no, too heavy > Pair of pliers > Box cutter or other very small knife. > 8' of 18 ga insulated wire. > >> Combination screwdriver -- the type that has a hollow handle with >> several - nix > > All I've seen are crappy and not a weight saving. I'd get one phillips, > and one wedge > blade screw driver. The wedge blade doubles as a pry tool > >> Duct Tape 1/4 roll or less in a sealed zip lock back to help keep the >> aging to a > minimum. Shrink seal would be even better. >> 1/4" drive socket set, compact - nix this. Too heavy. >> Duct tape - you already said that one. But it is important. You might >> have meant > WD-40 which is the other part of the two necessary tools. If it moves and > shouldn't, use duct tape. If it doesn't move and should, WD-40. Plus WD-40 > can > do other cool things like instant fill of a flat tire (I have a video if > you > need to see how) and it can clean stuff. > >> 8" crescent type wrench - nix this. Use a 6". >> Small roll of safety wire - maybe but only if you pack the clamptite >> tool. > >> Set of open end wrenches or something that would serve the purpose - >> not a set, > a couple of the most common is all you need. Like 10 mm or whatever you > need for > fuel line clamps, exhaust, carb, stuff that loosens up now and then. > Shouldn't > take a whole set of wrenches. I bet you can select 4 or max 5 that you can > use > along with the 6" crescent. > > Electrical continuity tester. One that can probe through the insulation in > wires. > > Two shop rags. > > Small canvas type bag to hold everything - some other material would be > better. > Cordura for example. >> >> I can think of many more items I could throw in there, but I'm trying >> avoid >> unnecessary items to keep the weight down. Of course, it's those >> unnecessary items >> that I would probably need. Any help or advice would be humbly >> appreciated, my >> friends. > > I would evaluate the need differently. I think you can do most stuff at > home and only > need the bare minimum of anything away from home. Mostly stuff you know > you would use > regularly and that's it. It seems to me that minor electrical problems are > about the > only thing you'd ever need. Knife to cut stuff, electrical tester, pliers > and tape > will allow you to do many things until you can get back to your shop. > Maybe you need > to tighten up something that has gotten loose. > -- > Paul A. Franz > Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT > Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP > Bellevue WA > 425.241.1618 Cell > > The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to > fill the world with fools. > > -- Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903) > > Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of > Congress. But then I repeat myself. > > -- Mark Twain > > "It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are > apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth -- and listen to the > song of that siren, till she transforms us into beasts." > > --Patrick Henry > > "Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the > nation because the people were so poor. Now we are told we must > collectivize the nation because the people are so rich." > > -- National Review founder William F. Buckley Jr. (1925-2008) > > "Economic conservatives have aggressively opposed President Obama's > agenda to radically expand government, financed by deficits that > run into the trillions. If social conservatives want to protect > America's families and social values, they must join with fiscal > conservatives to oppose President Obama and reverse America's > culture of debt. America was built on individual opportunity. This > is the core of the economic conservative agenda. The family unit is > the core building block of American society. This is the heart of > the social conservative agenda. There is a key overlap here that > many conservatives -- and even their leaders -- overlook. Living > within your means and managing your finances to avoid long-term > debt is part of building strong families, providing for your > children and teaching them to provide for themselves. ... Both > economic and social conservatives need to grasp the common ground > here. Strong families are essential to strong economies, and > financial management is a key family value." > > -- columnist Ken Blackwell > > >


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    Time: 01:52:43 PM PST US
    From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
    Subject: Re: Tool Kit
    Thanks Lowell. Hadn't thought about a plug wrench. That might be a good one if I can find a light weight and compact version. As for using the tool bag for ballast, I recall someone who needed weight in the tail used one on his S5. Rigged up some velcro bands and strapped it down inside over the tailwheel. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:42 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit > > I like Lynn didn't take a complete socket set. As I recall, some of the > electrical terminals took an 11/32 socket, then sockets for the #3,4 and 5 > AN hardware. Another thought, most of us have metric engines in english > airframes. Also included was a small ratcheting screwdriver (right > angle), a sparkplug wrench and one of the disk shaped feeler gauges, and > believe it or not the butane soldering iron I carried saved the day when a > friend found a broken ignition wire during a trip up the Oregon Coast. I > felt all heroic when I told him I had one. A lot of this stuff was to > service my camera mount. The open end wrenches were of the "stubby" > variety to keep weight down. As well as stuff already mentnioned, spare > parts also included a spare fuel filter element, a tire pump and I carried > but never used a CO2 inflator unit. > > For those with heavy engines requiring ballast, the tool box carried an a > carefully chosen location can mitigate somewhat the need for CG ballast, > but must be on the mandatory equipment list and not siphoned off from time > to time to augment the hangar tools. > > Lowell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit > > >> >> I usually take along the tools that I use for hourly/daily/weekly repair >> or maintenance. You wouldn't have to take a complete socket set if some >> of the sizes are never used. There are several allen wrenches used on >> the Jabiru, and on some locations where I used socket head cap screws on >> my plane. In short, I go around the plane and make sure I have wrenches, >> flat screwdrivers, phillips, allens, etc., to fit everything, then fluff >> out the tools with enough stuff to make emergency repairs. Probably he >> most important tool is a freshlycharged cell phone. As proven in last >> fall's wheatfield landing, the cell phone was nearly dead, but people >> were close enough, and nice enough to take me to a Wal-Mart where I >> bought a battery charger for the phone, and made the necessary calls. >> Now there is a phone charger IN the plane and it stays there.....Boy >> Scout training 101..."Be Prepared" >> >> Lynn Matteson >> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger >> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs >> Sensenich 62x46 >> Electroair direct-fire ignition system >> Status: flying >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 19, 2009, at 6:06 PM, fox5flyer wrote: >> >>> Good one. I like the tie wraps and leatherman. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Keep 'em coming folks. Maybe we can come up with the ideal tool kit. >>> Deke >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: skyflyte@comcast.net >>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 5:27 PM >>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit >>> >>> A few more items in my kit are: >>> >>> tywraps of various sizes >>> >>> exhaust system springs >>> >>> carb boots (I've got a 582) >>> >>> multi-tool like a Leatherman >>> >>> a credit card >>> >>> and you can never have too much duct tape! >>> >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> 490MC >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> >>> To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 2:26:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit >>> >>> >>> I'm in the process of making up a tool kit to keep in the airplane. >>> Since my S5 is already too heavy, I want the kit to be as complete as I >>> can make it yet keep it compact and light. I know, that's just like >>> building airplanes, a contradiction in terms. >>> Obviously it doesn't need to be complete enough to make a crankshaft >>> change or a valve job, but I would like it to be complete enough for >>> making simple repairs/checks on the ramp or to get out of trouble at >>> some remote place. I'll start out first with what I've put together >>> and hopefully some of you folks out there who have already done this >>> will chime in here. Feel free to add, comment, or laugh at my choices >>> because that's how we can all benefit from this. >>> >>> 8" vice grips >>> Combination screwdriver -- the type that has a hollow handle with >>> several different bits or something similar >>> Duct Tape >>> 1/4" drive socket set, compact >>> Duct tape >>> 8" crescent type wrench >>> Small roll of safety wire >>> Set of open end wrenches or something that would serve the purpose >>> Small canvas type bag to hold everything. >>> >>> I can think of many more items I could throw in there, but I'm trying >>> avoid unnecessary items to keep the weight down. Of course, it's those >>> unnecessary items that I would probably need. Any help or advice would >>> be humbly appreciated, my friends. >>> >>> Deke Morisse >>> Mikado Michigan >>> S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT >>> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but >>> progress." >>> - Joseph Joubert >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 3D=======================3 >>> D====================== >>> href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List"'>http:// >>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox- >>> List3D====================== >>> 3D=======================3 D >>> href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http:// >>> forums.matronics.com3D================ >>> ======================== >>> 3D===== href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/ >>> contribution"'>http://www.matronics.com/ >>> contribution3D===================3 >>> D======================= >>> ===_- ============================================================ >>> _- ============================================================ _- >>> ============================================================ _- >>> contribution_- >>> =========================================================== >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 01:53:37 PM PST US
    From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
    Subject: Re: Tool Kit
    Thanks, Lynn. Good advice. Deke do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit > > I usually take along the tools that I use for hourly/daily/weekly > repair or maintenance. You wouldn't have to take a complete socket > set if some of the sizes are never used. There are several allen > wrenches used on the Jabiru, and on some locations where I used > socket head cap screws on my plane. In short, I go around the plane > and make sure I have wrenches, flat screwdrivers, phillips, allens, > etc., to fit everything, then fluff out the tools with enough stuff > to make emergency repairs. Probably he most important tool is a > freshlycharged cell phone. As proven in last fall's wheatfield > landing, the cell phone was nearly dead, but people were close > enough, and nice enough to take me to a Wal-Mart where I bought a > battery charger for the phone, and made the necessary calls. Now > there is a phone charger IN the plane and it stays there.....Boy > Scout training 101..."Be Prepared" > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs > Sensenich 62x46 > Electroair direct-fire ignition system > Status: flying > > > > > On Apr 19, 2009, at 6:06 PM, fox5flyer wrote: > >> Good one. I like the tie wraps and leatherman. >> Thanks. >> >> Keep 'em coming folks. Maybe we can come up with the ideal tool kit. >> Deke >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: skyflyte@comcast.net >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 5:27 PM >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit >> >> A few more items in my kit are: >> >> tywraps of various sizes >> >> exhaust system springs >> >> carb boots (I've got a 582) >> >> multi-tool like a Leatherman >> >> a credit card >> >> and you can never have too much duct tape! >> >> >> Mike >> >> 490MC >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> >> To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 2:26:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit >> >> >> I'm in the process of making up a tool kit to keep in the >> airplane. Since my S5 is already too heavy, I want the kit to be >> as complete as I can make it yet keep it compact and light. I >> know, that's just like building airplanes, a contradiction in terms. >> Obviously it doesn't need to be complete enough to make a >> crankshaft change or a valve job, but I would like it to be >> complete enough for making simple repairs/checks on the ramp or to >> get out of trouble at some remote place. I'll start out first with >> what I've put together and hopefully some of you folks out there >> who have already done this will chime in here. Feel free to add, >> comment, or laugh at my choices because that's how we can all >> benefit from this. >> >> 8" vice grips >> Combination screwdriver -- the type that has a hollow handle >> with several different bits or something similar >> Duct Tape >> 1/4" drive socket set, compact >> Duct tape >> 8" crescent type wrench >> Small roll of safety wire >> Set of open end wrenches or something that would serve the purpose >> Small canvas type bag to hold everything. >> >> I can think of many more items I could throw in there, but I'm >> trying avoid unnecessary items to keep the weight down. Of course, >> it's those unnecessary items that I would probably need. Any help >> or advice would be humbly appreciated, my friends. >> >> Deke Morisse >> Mikado Michigan >> S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT >> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but >> progress." >> - Joseph Joubert >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 3D=======================3 >> D====================== >> href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List"'>http:// >> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox- >> List3D====================== >> 3D=======================3 >> D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http:// >> forums.matronics.com3D================ >> ======================== >> 3D===== href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/ >> contribution"'>http://www.matronics.com/ >> contribution3D===================3 >> D======================= >> ===_- >> ============================================================ _- >> ============================================================ _- >> ============================================================ _- >> contribution_- >> =========================================================== > > > > >


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    Time: 02:03:13 PM PST US
    From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
    Subject: Re: Tool Kit
    Got it, thanks. Deke do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel" <foxfloatflyer@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tool Kit > > Toss in a roll of Rescue Tape, the silicone based self adhering stuff. It > works extremely well for oil line and radiator hose repair. > > -------- > Joel Mapes Kitfox 5 912 ULS Aerocomp amphibs > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240302#240302 > > >


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    Time: 02:03:13 PM PST US
    From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
    Subject: Re: Ellison Throttle Body Problems
    What Subaru conversion do you have, Ted or did you roll your own? Mine starts fine in most conditions, but can get temperamental when ambient temp is below 30f in which case it needs a little engine heat. Problem is mostly because of a very light, low inertia, flywheel and the type of ignitions I have. It's unlikely the TB is the culprit. Those things are dead simple and easy to clean. More than likely ignition/temperature related. Do you have some sort of primer for it? If it uses the Electromotive ignitions they take a pretty good spin to start the engine, one of their downsides. Otherwise they're great. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert > > I have an Ellison EFS 3A on my Subaru turbo, Model V. I have adjusted the > throttle body as described in the owners manual and when the engine is > running it works very well. But I have problems getting it started. It > takes 15 to 20 turns to get it going and sometimes after running for a > while may take more. I have followed all the manufacturers > recommendations and no improvement. This throttle body was rebuilt at > Ellison last fall. Any suggestions would be helpful. Thanks > Ted > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240294#240294 > > >


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    Time: 02:22:48 PM PST US
    From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@Chartermi.net>
    Subject: Tool Kit
    Pat, A friend of mine located them a few years back and we ordered 2 sets. They are like a cork screw dog tie down but of all titanium with a short titanium cheater bar included. They were $60 for the set back then. I will try to find his website and post. Lloyd From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:07 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit Lloyd, Where did you get Titanium tie downs? I ordered a set of tie downs from someplace on sale and I am disappointed that they weigh so damn much. I can't remember but, I thought the ones I gordered were touted as "light weight". Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL _____ From: 7suds@Chartermi.net Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit All, Haven=92t read the whole thread, so maybe already said, but in my Model 4 also carried a set of Titanium tie downs and tie down rope & spark plugs, my 4 also had a 503 in it so it required a jet change once a year to accommodate the hot summer temps so I also carried the spare jets and tooling required to change. Lloyd Cudnohufsky Model 5 912ul IVO IFA Northern Mi. From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit Good one. I like the tie wraps and leatherman. Thanks. Keep 'em coming folks. Maybe we can come up with the ideal tool kit. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:skyflyte@comcast.net"skyflyte@comcast.net "mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com"kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 5:27 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit A few more items in my kit are: tywraps of various sizes exhaust system springs carb boots (I've got a 582) multi-tool like a Leatherman a credit card and you can never have too much duct tape! Mike 490MC ----- Original Message ----- From: "fox5flyer" <HYPERLINK "mailto:fox5flyer@idealwifi.net"fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> "mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com"kitfox-list@matronics.com> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 2:26:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit I'm in the process of making up a tool kit to keep in the airplane. Since my S5 is already too heavy, I want the kit to be as complete as I can make it yet keep it compact and light. I know, that's just like building airplanes, a contradiction in terms. Obviously it doesn't need to be complete enough to make a crankshaft change or a valve job, but I would like it to be complete enough for making simple repairs/checks on the ramp or to get out of trouble at some remote place. I'll start out first with what I've put together and hopefully some of you folks out there who have already done this will chime in here. Feel free to add, comment, or laugh at my choices because that's how we can all benefit from this. 8" vice grips Combination screwdriver -- the type that has a hollow handle with several different bits or something similar Duct Tape 1/4" drive socket set, compact Duct tape 8" crescent type wrench Small roll of safety wire Set of open end wrenches or something that would serve the purpose Small canvas type bag to hold everything. I can think of many more items I could throw in there, but I'm trying avoid unnecessary items to keep the weight down. Of course, it's those unnecessary items that I would probably need. Any help or advice would be humbly appreciated, my friends. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List"'>http://www.ma troni cs.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/co ntribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution >Checked by AVG. 4/18/2009 9:55 AM Checked by AVG. 4/18/2009 9:55 AM >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List"http://www.matronics.com/ Nav igator?Kitfox-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion Checked by AVG. 4/18/2009 9:55 AM Checked by AVG. 4/19/2009 8:04 PM


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    Time: 03:04:19 PM PST US
    From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
    Subject: Re: Sight guages
    At 11:16 AM 4/16/2009, you wrote: >Can someone tell me what tubing to use? What specifically do I look >for and where might I find it. I used the blue "alcohol resistant" fuel line sold by Aircraft Spruce and CPS (www.800-airwolf.com). I put a squirt tube from a WD-40 can in each one to make them easier to read but next time I won't . It didn't help any and they look shabby. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 300 hrs. and counting


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    Time: 03:09:40 PM PST US
    From: patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Tool Kit
    Lloyd=2C Thanks. Mine are the same design. But=2C they are made of steel an d weigh a proverbial ton. do not archive Pat From: 7suds@Chartermi.net Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit Pat=2C A friend of mine located them a few years back and we ordered 2 sets. They are like a cork screw dog tie down but of all titanium with a short titaniu m cheater bar included. They were $60 for the set back then. I will try to find his website and post. Lloyd From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly Sent: Sunday=2C April 19=2C 2009 6:07 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit Lloyd=2C Where did you get Titanium tie downs? I ordered a set of tie downs from someplace on sale and I am disappointed that they weigh so damn much. I can't remember but=2C I thought the ones I gordered were touted as "ligh t weight". Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford=2C IL From: 7suds@Chartermi.net Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit All=2C Haven=92t read the whole thread=2C so maybe already said=2C but in my Model 4 also carried a set of Titanium tie downs and tie down rope & spark plugs =2C my 4 also had a 503 in it so it required a jet change once a year to ac commodate the hot summer temps so I also carried the spare jets and tooling required to change. Lloyd Cudnohufsky Model 5 912ul IVO IFA Northern Mi. From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer Sent: Sunday=2C April 19=2C 2009 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit Good one. I like the tie wraps and leatherman. Thanks. Keep 'em coming folks. Maybe we can come up with the ideal tool kit. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: skyflyte@comcast.net Sent: Sunday=2C April 19=2C 2009 5:27 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit A few more items in my kit are: tywraps of various sizes exhaust system springs carb boots (I've got a 582) multi-tool like a Leatherman a credit card and you can never have too much duct tape! Mike 490MC ----- Original Message ----- From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> Sent: Sunday=2C April 19=2C 2009 2:26:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit I'm in the process of making up a tool kit to keep in the airplane. Since my S5 is already too heavy=2C I want the kit to be as complete as I can mak e it yet keep it compact and light. I know=2C that's just like building ai rplanes=2C a contradiction in terms. Obviously it doesn't need to be complete enough to make a crankshaft change or a valve job=2C but I would like it to be complete enough for making sim ple repairs/checks on the ramp or to get out of trouble at some remote plac e. I'll start out first with what I've put together and hopefully some of you folks out there who have already done this will chime in here. Feel fr ee to add=2C comment=2C or laugh at my choices because that's how we can al l benefit from this. 8" vice grips Combination screwdriver -- the type that has a hollow handle with sever al different bits or something similar Duct Tape 1/4" drive socket set=2C compact Duct tape 8" crescent type wrench Small roll of safety wire Set of open end wrenches or something that would serve the purpose Small canvas type bag to hold everything. I can think of many more items I could throw in there=2C but I'm trying avo id unnecessary items to keep the weight down. Of course=2C it's those unne cessary items that I would probably need. Any help or advice would be humb ly appreciated=2C my friends. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory=2C but progress ." - Joseph Joubert 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3Dhref='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List"'>http: //www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3Dhref='3D"http://forums.matro nics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3Dhref='3D"http://www.matronics.com /contribution"'>http://www.matronics.com/contribution3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronic s.com/contribution >Checked by AVG. 4/18/2009 9:55 AM Checked by AVG. 4/18/2009 9:55 AM >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listronics.co mww.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox- Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution Checked by AVG. 4/18/2009 9:55 AM Checked by AVG. 4/19/2009 8:04 PM


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    Time: 03:17:12 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Re: Brake Bleeder
    Leave it to you to come up with an easier more practical way :-) The procedure was Jeppsen's the commentary (Itallics)was mine. When I bled brakes (Cars) I had a second guy to pump the brakes and hold the pressure on the pedal. I'd open the valve and the brake pedal would go to the floor the valve would be closed before allowing the brake pedal to rise again. Most of the time it only took three maybe four full strokes of the pedal to fully bleed the brakes. On planes I have only bled from the wheel cylinder. The first one I did was a real mess then I learned to empty the reservoir before starting. I think I used a turkey baster on the first one. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 3:32 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Brake Bleeder Noel- I have bled brakes on cars by using the second method...the one where the hose from the (top-mounted) bleeder valve is inserted into a glass container with brake fluid covering the end of the hose. I then open the bleeder valve (certainly NOT a two-man job as your instructions say) and climb into the car and depress the brake pedal a few times, usually hanging my head upside-down out of the car so I can see the action going on inside the glass container. When the bubbles stop forming, and the fluid is clear, I climb out of the car and close the bleeder valve. There is NO reason that you have to have a second person IF the hose end does not get uncovered by the brake fluid. It's a simple matter of hydraulics and air...if the hose remains covered by the fluid, when the brake pedal is depressed, air and/or fluid will be expelled from the end of the hose. When the pedal is released, fluid will be sucked back into the wheel cylinder, but the air has risen to the top of the fluid and dissapated. This process is repeated until no air can be seen bubbling up in the glass. I have installed a complete 4-wheel brake system on a homebuilt car and have not had to enlist any help at any point along the way, and this includes new brake lines and empty cylinders which are full of air as you can expect. As far as the first method is concerned, you don't have to have a hose and container on the reservoir either. Just have an empty reservoir to begin with, and check periodically for when the fluid is starting to get near the top. At this point, draw off some of the fluid from the reservoir, and continue (if necessary) to pump fluid into the bleeder valve. When all signs of air is gone from the lines (clear lines, I hope), the job is done....top off the reservoir, and test the brakes. I've done this potentially messy job alone and have not made a mess either on the ground or inside the plane....well, maybe a *little* mess on the ground, because the hose-to-bleeder screw connection sometimes is not absolutely leakproof and drips a bit. This is not a complicated job to do if you know how many pumps of the oil can will empty it, and how many pumps will overflow the reservoir. Don't exceed either of the numbers. Keep track of the number of pumps, and fill the pumper before you are pumping air, and empty the reservoir before it fills, and the job will be simple and clean. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs Sensenich 62x46 Electroair direct-fire ignition system Status: flying On Apr 19, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Noel Loveys wrote: > I, like most of us have been following this thread with a little > interest to see what direction it will take. While it is true that > you can do basically whatever you want with an amateur built plane > there are still recognized procedures for doing specific tasks. > > > This is the one described in the Jeppsen A&P Technician Airframe > Textbook. After all the years they have been training A&Ps I guess > they have some idea what they are talking about.. Please pardon > any typos you find.


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    Time: 03:23:30 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Tool Kit
    Generally speaking I never have vice grips in my tool box (not) but I sure know where to get them! J One size fits all, metric included. Depending on how light you want to go you could possibly get away with a roll of electrical tape, a good bicycle wrench (SAE) and a good multi tool on your belt. For temporary cloth repairs use elastoplast from you first aid kit. The only other thing I can think of is a simple plug wrench. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 3:57 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit I'm in the process of making up a tool kit to keep in the airplane. Since my S5 is already too heavy, I want the kit to be as complete as I can make it yet keep it compact and light. I know, that's just like building airplanes, a contradiction in terms. Obviously it doesn't need to be complete enough to make a crankshaft change or a valve job, but I would like it to be complete enough for making simple repairs/checks on the ramp or to get out of trouble at some remote place. I'll start out first with what I've put together and hopefully some of you folks out there who have already done this will chime in here. Feel free to add, comment, or laugh at my choices because that's how we can all benefit from this. 8" vice grips Combination screwdriver -- the type that has a hollow handle with several different bits or something similar Duct Tape 1/4" drive socket set, compact Duct tape 8" crescent type wrench Small roll of safety wire Set of open end wrenches or something that would serve the purpose Small canvas type bag to hold everything. I can think of many more items I could throw in there, but I'm trying avoid unnecessary items to keep the weight down. Of course, it's those unnecessary items that I would probably need. Any help or advice would be humbly appreciated, my friends. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert


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    Time: 03:44:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Ellison Throttle Body Problems
    From: "earnestj0" <earnestj@frontiernet.net>
    Thanks for your input Deke. My engine is a straight Subaru EA81 with most of the NSI stuff, dual ignition modules, an electric primer. and just put a new battery in. I have a manual primer that I am going to try see if that makes any difference. I will also try using only one module during starting, I don't know if that would make any difference but it backfires sometimes on starting! Timing is set as per NSI recommendations, but maybe needs to be set as per Subaru. It starts easier when it is cold!!! I am trying different combinations to see what works best. Nothing consistent so far. Ted Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240378#240378


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    Time: 03:52:41 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Tool Kit
    The cell phone tool beats any amount of duct tape... even for Red Green for those of you who know him. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit I usually take along the tools that I use for hourly/daily/weekly repair or maintenance. You wouldn't have to take a complete socket set if some of the sizes are never used. There are several allen wrenches used on the Jabiru, and on some locations where I used socket head cap screws on my plane. In short, I go around the plane and make sure I have wrenches, flat screwdrivers, phillips, allens, etc., to fit everything, then fluff out the tools with enough stuff to make emergency repairs. Probably he most important tool is a freshlycharged cell phone. As proven in last fall's wheatfield landing, the cell phone was nearly dead, but people were close enough, and nice enough to take me to a Wal-Mart where I bought a battery charger for the phone, and made the necessary calls. Now there is a phone charger IN the plane and it stays there.....Boy Scout training 101..."Be Prepared" Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs Sensenich 62x46 Electroair direct-fire ignition system Status: flying On Apr 19, 2009, at 6:06 PM, fox5flyer wrote: > Good one. I like the tie wraps and leatherman. > Thanks. > > Keep 'em coming folks. Maybe we can come up with the ideal tool kit. > Deke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: skyflyte@comcast.net > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 5:27 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit > > A few more items in my kit are: > > tywraps of various sizes > > exhaust system springs > > carb boots (I've got a 582) > > multi-tool like a Leatherman > > a credit card > > and you can never have too much duct tape! > > > Mike > > 490MC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> > To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 2:26:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit > > > I'm in the process of making up a tool kit to keep in the > airplane. Since my S5 is already too heavy, I want the kit to be > as complete as I can make it yet keep it compact and light. I > know, that's just like building airplanes, a contradiction in terms. > Obviously it doesn't need to be complete enough to make a > crankshaft change or a valve job, but I would like it to be > complete enough for making simple repairs/checks on the ramp or to > get out of trouble at some remote place. I'll start out first with > what I've put together and hopefully some of you folks out there > who have already done this will chime in here. Feel free to add, > comment, or laugh at my choices because that's how we can all > benefit from this. > > 8" vice grips > Combination screwdriver -- the type that has a hollow handle > with several different bits or something similar > Duct Tape > 1/4" drive socket set, compact > Duct tape > 8" crescent type wrench > Small roll of safety wire > Set of open end wrenches or something that would serve the purpose > Small canvas type bag to hold everything. > > I can think of many more items I could throw in there, but I'm > trying avoid unnecessary items to keep the weight down. Of course, > it's those unnecessary items that I would probably need. Any help > or advice would be humbly appreciated, my friends. > > Deke Morisse > Mikado Michigan > S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT > "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but > progress." > - Joseph Joubert > > > 3D=======================3 > D====================== > href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List"'>http:// > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox- > List3D====================== > 3D=======================3 > D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http:// > forums.matronics.com3D================ > ======================== > 3D===== href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/ > contribution"'>http://www.matronics.com/ > contribution3D===================3 > D======================= > ===_- > ============================================================ _- > ============================================================ _- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > ===========================================================


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    Time: 04:09:46 PM PST US
    From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
    Subject: Re: Ellison Throttle Body Problems
    It does sound like ignition, especially with the backfiring. Try to avoid that because there are reports of the backfiring causing damage to the psru. Possibly your ignitions are not timed the same so your idea of trying one or the other has merit. You also might try a new set of plugs as a fouled plug or one with a cracked insulator can cause all kinds of troubles. Keep us in the loop. Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: "earnestj0" <earnestj@frontiernet.net> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Ellison Throttle Body Problems > > Thanks for your input Deke. My engine is a straight Subaru EA81 with most > of the NSI stuff, dual ignition modules, an electric primer. and just put > a new battery in. I have a manual primer that I am going to try see if > that makes any difference. I will also try using only one module during > starting, I don't know if that would make any difference but it backfires > sometimes on starting! Timing is set as per NSI recommendations, but > maybe needs to be set as per Subaru. It starts easier when it is cold!!! > I am trying different combinations to see what works best. Nothing > consistent so far. > Ted > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240378#240378 > > >


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    Time: 04:11:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Brake Lines
    From: "Ken Potter" <kjpotter@sympatico.ca>
    Dave; The prop is probably 15 years old (came with the partially completed kit). Always stored inside in a heated shop. I'll check with GSC but they look fine to me based on visual inspection. Ken -------- Ken Potter Model II, No. 483 Rotax 582, C-Box, 98% Complete C-FJKP (marks reserved) Lanark, Ontario Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240383#240383


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    Time: 05:11:16 PM PST US
    From: "Dwight Purdy" <dpurdy@comteck.com>
    Subject: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
    Lynn I find that because of all the readily available weather today I tend to not go. You really have to look at the percentages. An example would be a typical August forecast on Weatherbug. Rain ,Rain,Rain,Rain. Now take a closer look. 15%,20%,30%,20%. You have a 75% chance of no rain at all. Dwight Purdy Model II ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:28 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City > > I can't figure it out, Lowell....back then I was a 7-month rookie pilot, > didn't have Garmin's Pilot My-Cast on my cell phone, didn't do any > weather watching the first two days, but I did end up 4-5 miles from my > 2nd destination and had to turn back a few miles to find shelter from a > storm. I had 3 short-flying days out of 11 traveling days for the whole > 6300-mile trip, and the rest were beautiful, as was your fly-in. I can > only chalk it up to rookie enthusiasm, AND flying alone. I think I would > have set out for Sun 'n' Fun last Friday, had it not been for another > pilot's input on this trip. We were set to leave but he checked the > weather one last time and didn't like what he saw, then the whole > conversation turned to talk of hurricanes, planes flipped upside down, > stuck in motels, etc., and the trip was off. Left alone, I probably would > have headed out, but thinking back on it, I wasn't ALL that enthused > about the trip in the first place...Sun 'n' Fun that is. So like a true > Libra, I flip- flopped on my decision. I'm pretty sure my decision would > have been different if I had been traveling alone, as I like to fly for > more than the other flier's 4-5 hours, tops. > > Jeez, when I write it all down and look at it, I became a wuss on this > trip......or a brave soul on the California trip, whatever. Maybe you > need to plan another BBQ, Lowell, to lure me back out there. : ) > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs > Sensenich 62x46 > Electroair direct-fire ignition system > Status: flying > do not archive > > > On Apr 20, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote: > >> >> Come, on Lynn, I'm offended now. You came to the very last Cameron Park >> Kitfox fly-in and BBQ, and this way out on the Left Coast. >> >> Lowell >> >> Do not archive >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net> >> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:15 PM >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City >> >> >>> >>> That's always the way isn't it? I watched the weather channel, >>> searched the weather on Pilot My-Cast, and it looked like a marginally >>> do-able two days of flight if everything went well, but not so good if >>> it didn't, so I opted to stay home. It's a different matter if you >>> live closer, but a lot can happen within the 1000 miles that I would >>> have had to fly. Hell, I was getting a pretty good bouncing around >>> just flying down to Defiance, Ohio on Saturday. >>> So have fun guys, I'm setting my sights...again...on The Festival of >>> Flight in late May.....one of these days I'll actually get to >>> something besides Oshkosh. : ) >>> >>> Lynn Matteson >>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger >>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs >>> Sensenich 62x46 >>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system >>> Status: flying >>> do not archive >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 19, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Aerobatics@aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> Already here.... >>>> >>>> weather great today.... >>>> >>>> In a message dated 4/19/2009 6:25:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >>>> lynnmatt@jps.net writes: >>>> >>>> I have already cancelled my plans to go to S n F....too many storms >>>> showing on the weather between here and there to try to make a fly-in >>>> that is not at the top of my list of places to go. >>>> I don't particularly like their methods of charging in advance and >>>> not giving back refunds. If this has changed, I'd like to know so I >>>> don't hold a grudge against the organization. It's just NOT Oshkosh >>>> in the way it operates....unless they've changed. >>>> >>>> Lynn Matteson >>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger >>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs >>>> Sensenich 62x46 >>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system >>>> Status: flying >>>> do not archive >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 19, 2009, at 3:51 PM, FlyboyTR wrote: >>>> >>>> <flyboytr@bellsouth.net> >>>> > >>>> > Last year we flew into the Ultralight area. Always liked the UL >>>> > area much better than the Homebuilt area for camping, access, etc. >>>> > We have flown in and out of there many times in years pastbut >>>> > this was the first time in the Vixen. No problems. I hate we >>>> won >>>> > t be able to make this year. We have plans to be at High Valley >>>> > Resort in north Georgia that weekend. I have several pictures and >>>> > diagrams of routing into the UL area at SNF. I put these together >>>> > for some of our local folks that are flying down. I will post >>>> > them. ...hope they are helpful. >>>> > >>>> > Travis :D >>>> > >>>> > -------- >>>> > Travis Rayner >>>> > Mobile, AL >>>> > Skystar Vixen, N-789DF >>>> > Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop >>>> > ADI-II Autopilot >>>> > AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Read this topic online here: >>>> > >>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240137#240137 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Attachments: >>>> > >>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture1_206.jpg >>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_4_210.jpg >>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_3_991.jpg >>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_2_757.jpg >>>> > >>>> > >>>> &================================================ the ties Day >>>> ================================================ - >>>> MATRONICS WEB FORUMS >>>> ============================ - List Contribution Web Site >>>> sp; ================================================== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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    Time: 05:48:51 PM PST US
    From: "Pete Christensen" <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
    Lynn, And what about the lady who flew her ultralight from Oregon to Lakeland? Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwight Purdy" <dpurdy@comteck.com> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City > > Lynn > I find that because of all the readily available weather today I tend to > not go. You really have to look at the percentages. An example would be a > typical August forecast on Weatherbug. Rain ,Rain,Rain,Rain. Now take a > closer look. 15%,20%,30%,20%. You have a 75% chance of no rain at all. > > Dwight Purdy > Model II > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:28 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City > > >> >> I can't figure it out, Lowell....back then I was a 7-month rookie pilot, >> didn't have Garmin's Pilot My-Cast on my cell phone, didn't do any >> weather watching the first two days, but I did end up 4-5 miles from my >> 2nd destination and had to turn back a few miles to find shelter from a >> storm. I had 3 short-flying days out of 11 traveling days for the whole >> 6300-mile trip, and the rest were beautiful, as was your fly-in. I can >> only chalk it up to rookie enthusiasm, AND flying alone. I think I would >> have set out for Sun 'n' Fun last Friday, had it not been for another >> pilot's input on this trip. We were set to leave but he checked the >> weather one last time and didn't like what he saw, then the whole >> conversation turned to talk of hurricanes, planes flipped upside down, >> stuck in motels, etc., and the trip was off. Left alone, I probably >> would have headed out, but thinking back on it, I wasn't ALL that >> enthused about the trip in the first place...Sun 'n' Fun that is. So >> like a true Libra, I flip- flopped on my decision. I'm pretty sure my >> decision would have been different if I had been traveling alone, as I >> like to fly for more than the other flier's 4-5 hours, tops. >> >> Jeez, when I write it all down and look at it, I became a wuss on this >> trip......or a brave soul on the California trip, whatever. Maybe you >> need to plan another BBQ, Lowell, to lure me back out there. : ) >> >> Lynn Matteson >> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger >> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs >> Sensenich 62x46 >> Electroair direct-fire ignition system >> Status: flying >> do not archive >> >> >> >> On Apr 20, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote: >> >>> >>> Come, on Lynn, I'm offended now. You came to the very last Cameron >>> Park Kitfox fly-in and BBQ, and this way out on the Left Coast. >>> >>> Lowell >>> >>> Do not archive >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net> >>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:15 PM >>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City >>> >>> >>>> >>>> That's always the way isn't it? I watched the weather channel, searched >>>> the weather on Pilot My-Cast, and it looked like a marginally do-able >>>> two days of flight if everything went well, but not so good if it >>>> didn't, so I opted to stay home. It's a different matter if you live >>>> closer, but a lot can happen within the 1000 miles that I would have >>>> had to fly. Hell, I was getting a pretty good bouncing around just >>>> flying down to Defiance, Ohio on Saturday. >>>> So have fun guys, I'm setting my sights...again...on The Festival of >>>> Flight in late May.....one of these days I'll actually get to something >>>> besides Oshkosh. : ) >>>> >>>> Lynn Matteson >>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger >>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs >>>> Sensenich 62x46 >>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system >>>> Status: flying >>>> do not archive >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 19, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Aerobatics@aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Already here.... >>>>> >>>>> weather great today.... >>>>> >>>>> In a message dated 4/19/2009 6:25:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >>>>> lynnmatt@jps.net writes: >>>>> >>>>> I have already cancelled my plans to go to S n F....too many storms >>>>> showing on the weather between here and there to try to make a fly-in >>>>> that is not at the top of my list of places to go. >>>>> I don't particularly like their methods of charging in advance and >>>>> not giving back refunds. If this has changed, I'd like to know so I >>>>> don't hold a grudge against the organization. It's just NOT Oshkosh >>>>> in the way it operates....unless they've changed. >>>>> >>>>> Lynn Matteson >>>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger >>>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs >>>>> Sensenich 62x46 >>>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system >>>>> Status: flying >>>>> do not archive >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 19, 2009, at 3:51 PM, FlyboyTR wrote: >>>>> >>>>> <flyboytr@bellsouth.net> >>>>> > >>>>> > Last year we flew into the Ultralight area. Always liked the UL >>>>> > area much better than the Homebuilt area for camping, access, etc. >>>>> > We have flown in and out of there many times in years pastbut >>>>> > this was the first time in the Vixen. No problems. I hate we >>>>> won >>>>> > t be able to make this year. We have plans to be at High Valley >>>>> > Resort in north Georgia that weekend. I have several pictures and >>>>> > diagrams of routing into the UL area at SNF. I put these together >>>>> > for some of our local folks that are flying down. I will post >>>>> > them. ...hope they are helpful. >>>>> > >>>>> > Travis :D >>>>> > >>>>> > -------- >>>>> > Travis Rayner >>>>> > Mobile, AL >>>>> > Skystar Vixen, N-789DF >>>>> > Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop >>>>> > ADI-II Autopilot >>>>> > AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Read this topic online here: >>>>> > >>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240137#240137 >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Attachments: >>>>> > >>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture1_206.jpg >>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_4_210.jpg >>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_3_991.jpg >>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_2_757.jpg >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> &================================================ the ties Day >>>>> ================================================ - >>>>> MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ============================ - List >>>>> Contribution Web Site sp; >>>>> ================================================== >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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    Time: 06:04:54 PM PST US
    From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Re: Brake Lines
    I've never had a blade departure but Dave has.... Not pretty! Good idea to at least talk with GSC before trusting your butt to the prop. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Potter Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Brake Lines Dave; The prop is probably 15 years old (came with the partially completed kit). Always stored inside in a heated shop. I'll check with GSC but they look fine to me based on visual inspection. Ken -------- Ken Potter Model II, No. 483 Rotax 582, C-Box, 98% Complete C-FJKP (marks reserved) Lanark, Ontario Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240383#240383


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    Time: 06:28:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Big Foot Rudder Mods
    From: "nick4853" <nweiskopf@verizon.net>
    I want to see if any body has any Mods for us larger footed folks. Thanks, Nick W -------- kitfox !V-1200 Rotax 912ul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240402#240402


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    Time: 09:02:03 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Control stick
    From: "WurlyBird" <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
    If you had ordered 100 copies, I sure would have taken a couple off your hands. I'm just sayin . . . :D -------- James Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop Soloed the Kitfox yesterday!!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240414#240414


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    Time: 09:22:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Charging system trouble shooting
    From: "WurlyBird" <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
    Looking for a few ideas of where to start with an issue I am having with the electrical system. Here is the run down; I bought my KF used and the prior owner kept it on a trickle charger when not flying and seemingly never flew it for more then an hour at a time. Running only a radio, an intercom, and a strobe the battery got so low in just 2 hours that in coming transmissions were unintelligible and the strobe could be observed working on the voltmeter. I installed a Key West voltage regulator with the understanding that it was able to route excess power from the mags to the battery to help charge it. Installation was SEEMINGLY simple, red, yellow, yellow, black. Everything runs great. Since then my Hobbs has only ticked off 1/10 of an hour (about 12 hours of flight time has elapsed) and the duration of my battery has gotten worse if anything. I had to reroute in flight during a cross country because I had to turn off my radio and strobe and so could not contact any towers. I suspect the battery is going bad or is just too small but my smart charger indicates that it is still good and holding 100%. The only real clue I have for any wiring issues is the Hobbs but I am not sure what could have been wired wrong, nor do I have any of the original wiring diagrams. Do the 2 yellows have a specific position on the Key West regulator? Since the regulator I have also installed push-to-intercom switches which use the common ground that the Hobbs also uses. Could this affect it at all? It does not make any sense that it could but no harm in questioning it. So, any ideas or similar experiences? -------- James Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop Soloed the Kitfox yesterday!!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240415#240415


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    Time: 11:17:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Control stick
    From: "Cwehner" <1cewehner@cox.net>
    WurlyBird wrote: > If you had ordered 100 copies, I sure would have taken a couple off your hands. I'm just sayin . . . :D It seemed all the places around here with the proper equipment to do such a task were used to bending bigger more industrial pipe. After telling me that they weren't sure how they would turn out because of diameter and the thin wall, I was afraid I would end up with 100 ugly paper weights.....or I might have ordered 100:D -------- Chris Wehner Tulsa, Oklahoma Kitfox IV, 912, Final push for completion! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240420#240420




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