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1. 12:30 AM - Re: Charging system trouble shooting (akflyer)
2. 03:49 AM - Re: Charging system trouble shooting (fox5flyer)
3. 04:58 AM - Re: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City (W Duke)
4. 05:19 AM - Tool Kit (fox5flyer)
5. 06:46 AM - Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation (Patrick Best)
6. 06:56 AM - Re: Charging system trouble shooting (Tom Jones)
7. 07:04 AM - Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation (Weiss Richard)
8. 07:12 AM - Re: Tool Kit (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
9. 07:47 AM - Re: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City (Lynn Matteson)
10. 07:47 AM - Re: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City (Lynn Matteson)
11. 07:49 AM - Re: New Control stick (Tom Jones)
12. 08:02 AM - Re: Big Foot Rudder Mods (Tom Jones)
13. 08:15 AM - Re: New Control stick (Cwehner)
14. 08:18 AM - Re: Tool Kit (Lowell Fitt)
15. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City (Pete Christensen)
16. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City (Lowell Fitt)
17. 09:04 AM - Re: Tool Kit (fox5flyer)
18. 09:08 AM - Re: Tool Kit (fox5flyer)
19. 09:10 AM - Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation (JetPilot)
20. 09:12 AM - Re: Tool Kit (JetPilot)
21. 09:17 AM - Re: Tool Kit (n85ae)
22. 09:31 AM - Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City (JetPilot)
23. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation (fox5flyer)
24. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Tool Kit (fox5flyer)
25. 09:35 AM - Re: Brake Lines (JetPilot)
26. 09:44 AM - Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation (n85ae)
27. 09:46 AM - Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation (n85ae)
28. 10:13 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation (Patrick Best)
29. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation (Patrick Best)
30. 10:40 AM - Re: Brake Lines (dave)
31. 10:43 AM - Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation (dave)
32. 10:46 AM - Re: Charging system trouble shooting (dave)
33. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City (Larry Huntley)
34. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: Brake Lines (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
35. 11:04 AM - Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation (n85ae)
36. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: Charging system trouble shooting (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
37. 11:29 AM - Re: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City (Pete Christensen)
38. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation (Lowell Fitt)
39. 12:34 PM - Speedster crash (Marco Menezes)
40. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
41. 02:39 PM - Re: Tool Kit (Noel Loveys)
42. 03:14 PM - Re: Tool Kit (Lynn Matteson)
43. 03:41 PM - Re: Tool Kit (Lynn Matteson)
44. 04:18 PM - Re: Charging system trouble shooting (WurlyBird)
45. 04:30 PM - Re: Tool Kit (Noel Loveys)
46. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: Charging system trouble shooting (Noel Loveys)
47. 04:53 PM - Re: Brake Lines (Ken Potter)
48. 05:13 PM - Re: Tool Kit (fox5flyer)
49. 05:27 PM - Re: Tool Kit (fox5flyer)
50. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: Charging system trouble shooting (fox5flyer)
51. 05:35 PM - Re: Tool Kit (Pete Christensen)
52. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: Brake Lines (Noel Loveys)
53. 05:41 PM - Re: Re: Brake Lines (Noel Loveys)
54. 06:17 PM - Re: GSC Prop was Brake Lines (Pete Christensen)
55. 06:21 PM - Re: Tool Kit (Noel Loveys)
56. 06:42 PM - Re: Tool Kit (Pete Christensen)
57. 06:47 PM - Re: Tool Kit (Lynn Matteson)
58. 06:50 PM - Re: Charging system trouble shooting (WurlyBird)
59. 06:52 PM - Re: Charging system trouble shooting (dave)
60. 07:05 PM - Re: Tool Kit (Lynn Matteson)
61. 07:19 PM - Re: Tool Kit (Noel Loveys)
62. 07:20 PM - Re: Charging system trouble shooting (Tom Jones)
63. 07:21 PM - Re: Big Foot Rudder Mods (nick4853)
64. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: Charging system trouble shooting (Noel Loveys)
65. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: Charging system trouble shooting (Noel Loveys)
66. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: Charging system trouble shooting (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
67. 09:34 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation (Patrick Best)
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| Subject: | Re: Charging system trouble shooting |
Same thing happened on my brothers KF II. I went to the key west thinking the
regulator had fried. Turned out much worse, the charging coils were fried in
a big way. It will only set ya back about a grand unless you can find a used
one. Hopefully your problem is much simpler.
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| Subject: | Re: Charging system trouble shooting |
James, you might consider subscribing to the Aeroelectric list on Matronics.
There are some real electrical geeks over there and would be glad to help.
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "WurlyBird" <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:21 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Charging system trouble shooting
> <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
> Looking for a few ideas of where to start with an issue I am having with
> the electrical system. Here is the run down;
>
> I bought my KF used and the prior owner kept it on a trickle charger when
> not flying and seemingly never flew it for more then an hour at a time.
> Running only a radio, an intercom, and a strobe the battery got so low in
> just 2 hours that in coming transmissions were unintelligible and the
> strobe could be observed working on the voltmeter.
>
> I installed a Key West voltage regulator with the understanding that it
> was able to route excess power from the mags to the battery to help charge
> it. Installation was SEEMINGLY simple, red, yellow, yellow, black.
> Everything runs great.
>
> Since then my Hobbs has only ticked off 1/10 of an hour (about 12 hours of
> flight time has elapsed) and the duration of my battery has gotten worse
> if anything. I had to reroute in flight during a cross country because I
> had to turn off my radio and strobe and so could not contact any towers.
>
> I suspect the battery is going bad or is just too small but my smart
> charger indicates that it is still good and holding 100%. The only real
> clue I have for any wiring issues is the Hobbs but I am not sure what
> could have been wired wrong, nor do I have any of the original wiring
> diagrams. Do the 2 yellows have a specific position on the Key West
> regulator?
>
> Since the regulator I have also installed push-to-intercom switches which
> use the common ground that the Hobbs also uses. Could this affect it at
> all? It does not make any sense that it could but no harm in questioning
> it.
>
> So, any ideas or similar experiences?
>
> --------
> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
> Soloed the Kitfox yesterday!!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240415#240415
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City |
Someone once told me a long cross country can really be a series of short c
ross country trips.=C2- My first weather rule is NOT to use the weather c
hannel (except to look at radar).=C2- They will paint half the country gr
een for a 10% chance of rain (maybe less).=C2- Online weather is great an
d look at the radar.=C2- You can see where the weather is and is going pr
etty readily.=C2- Went to OshKosh from Georgia in 2003.=C2- Weather did
not look good at about the half way point before leaving but we figured we
would get as far as we could and stop overnight.=C2- Luckily as we got t
here, things improved and we got through no problem.
=C2-
do not archive
Maxwell Duke
S6/TD/IO240
Dublin, GA
--- On Mon, 4/20/09, Pete Christensen <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net> wro
te:
From: Pete Christensen <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
<apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
Lynn,
And what about the lady who flew her ultralight from Oregon to Lakeland?
Pete
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwight Purdy"
<dpurdy@comteck.com>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
<dpurdy@comteck.com>
>
> Lynn
> I find that because of all the readily available weather today I tend to
not go. You really have to look at the percentages. An example would be a
typical August forecast on Weatherbug. Rain ,Rain,Rain,Rain. Now take a clo
ser
look. 15%,20%,30%,20%. You have a 75% chance of no rain at all.
>
> Dwight Purdy
> Model II
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
<lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
>
>
<lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>
>> I can't figure it out, Lowell....back then I was a 7-month rookie
pilot, didn't have Garmin's Pilot My-Cast on my cell phone, didn't
do any weather watching the first two days, but I did end up 4-5 miles fr
om my
2nd destination and had to turn back a few miles to find shelter from a st
orm.
I had 3 short-flying days out of 11 traveling days for the whole 6300-mile
trip, and the rest were beautiful, as was your fly-in. I can only chalk it
up
to rookie enthusiasm, AND flying alone. I think I would have set out for S
un
'n' Fun last Friday, had it not been for another pilot's input on
this trip. We were set to leave but he checked the weather one last time a
nd
didn't like what he saw, then the whole conversation turned to talk of
hurricanes, planes flipped upside down, stuck in motels, etc., and the tri
p was
off. Left alone, I probably would have headed out, but thinking back on it
, I
wasn't ALL that enthused about the trip in the first place...Sun
'n' Fun that is. So like a true Libra, I flip- flopped on my decision.
I'm pretty sure my decision would have been different if I had been
traveling alone, as I like to fly for more than the other flier's 4-5
hours, tops.
>>
>> Jeez, when I write it all down and look at it, I became a wuss on
this trip......or a brave soul on the California trip, whatever. Maybe you
need
to plan another BBQ, Lowell, to lure me back out there. : )
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Status: flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>>
<lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>
>>> Come, on Lynn, I'm offended now. You came to the very last
Cameron Park Kitfox fly-in and BBQ, and this way out on the Left Coast.
>>>
>>> Lowell
>>>
>>> Do not archive
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
<lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
>>>
>>>
<lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>>>
>>>> That's always the way isn't it? I watched the weather
channel, searched the weather on Pilot My-Cast, and it looked like a
marginally do-able two days of flight if everything went well, but not so
good
if it didn't, so I opted to stay home. It's a different matter if you
live closer, but a lot can happen within the 1000 miles that I would have
had
to fly. Hell, I was getting a pretty good bouncing around just flying dow
n to
Defiance, Ohio on Saturday.
>>>> So have fun guys, I'm setting my sights...again...on The
Festival of Flight in late May.....one of these days I'll actually get to
something besides Oshkosh. : )
>>>>
>>>> Lynn Matteson
>>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
>>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>>> Status: flying
>>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 19, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Already here....
>>>>>
>>>>> weather great today....
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 4/19/2009 6:25:17 P.M. Central Daylight
Time, lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
<lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have already cancelled my plans to go to S n F....too
many storms
>>>>> showing on the weather between here and there to try to
make a fly-in
>>>>> that is not at the top of my list of places to go.
>>>>> I don't particularly like their methods of charging in
advance and
>>>>> not giving back refunds. If this has changed, I'd like
to know so I
>>>>> don't hold a grudge against the organization. It's
just NOT Oshkosh
>>>>> in the way it operates....unless they've changed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn Matteson
>>>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
>>>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>>>> Status: flying
>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 19, 2009, at 3:51 PM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>>>>>
"FlyboyTR"
>>>>> <flyboytr@bellsouth.net>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Last year we flew into the Ultralight area. Always
liked the UL
>>>>> > area much better than the Homebuilt area for camping,
access, etc.
>>>>> > We have flown in and out of there many times in years
past=C3=A2=82=AC=C2but
>>>>> > this was the first time in the Vixen. No problems.
I hate we
>>>>> won=C3=A2
>>>>> > =82=AC=84=A2t be able to make this year. We have plans to
be at High Valley
>>>>> > Resort in north Georgia that weekend. I have several
pictures and
>>>>> > diagrams of routing into the UL area at SNF. I put
these together
>>>>> > for some of our local folks that are flying down. I
will post
>>>>> > them. ...hope they are helpful.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Travis :D
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --------
>>>>> > Travis Rayner
>>>>> > Mobile, AL
>>>>> > Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
>>>>> > Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
>>>>> > ADI-II Autopilot
>>>>> > AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240137#240137
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Attachments:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture1_206.jpg
>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_4_210.jpg
>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_3_991.jpg
>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_2_757.jpg
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I've gone through my tool kit list, added a few things and thrown out a
few others. The ones labeled optional may or may not be added. I need
to start looking around for a tool bag. Maybe Home Depot. Most of the
other things I already have on hand.
If anyone has any comments, pro or con, don't hesitate to post them.
There was one time when I wish I would have had this tool kit and I
suspect that there will be another time one day and I want to be
prepared, whether for me or to help out someone I'm flying with.
Deke
Some sort of combination screwdriver
Light weight box cutter
Duct tape, small roll. Could be also be wrapped around box cutter or
screw driver.
Silicone Rescue Tape...optional
1/4" compact socket set - optional
Small wire cutters -- optional
6" crescent type wrench
6" vice grips or equivalent
8 feet 18g insulated wire
Small roll safety wire .032
Tie wraps of various sizes
Leatherman or equivalent
Continuity tester
Spark plug wrench
Extra spark plugs
Canvas or Cordura type bag.
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| Subject: | Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation |
Hi Everyone;
I am looking at a Kitfox and a CH750. Given the recent problems zenith has
with flutter (killing pilots, etc), I was wondering if the kitfox uses a m
ass-balanced approach on their control surfaces, or uses simply cable tensi
on to mitigate this.
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| Subject: | Re: Charging system trouble shooting |
James, here's a link to the Keywest wiring diagram on a Rotax.
http://www.challengers101.com/RotaxChargeSys.html
Note there are two types of regulators/rectifiers.
I assume you removed a light duty voltage regulator and replaced it with a keywest
(heavy duty). You will recognize the Key west in the document I linked above.
There is a service letter about hour meter with a bridge rectifier installed causing charging system problems. http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/support/service_letters/sl40.htm
By the way, the lighting coil (Charging coils) wires coming out of the engine are
a (yellow wire and a yellow with black stripe wire). It is AC current so no
polarity. They connect to two of the yellow wires on the Key West. The black
wire on the Key West goes to the battery +. The third yellow wire on the Key
West is not connected to anything but can be used as a spare if one of the
other yellow wires fails inside the key West.
Good luck, you have certainly been learning a lot about your kitfox.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation |
Patrick,
The Kitfox uses mass balance weights (2 per flaperon.) The control
system for the flaperons (ailerons and flaps combined) do not use any
cables, they are all steel pushrods. Careful adjustment of the rods
ensures no flutter issues. The rudder uses cables, but there are no
flutter issues with it. Overall it's an excellent system.
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
On Apr 21, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Patrick Best wrote:
> Hi Everyone;
>
> I am looking at a Kitfox and a CH750. Given the recent problems
> zenith has with flutter (killing pilots, etc), I was wondering if
> the kitfox uses a mass-balanced approach on their control surfaces,
> or uses simply cable tension to mitigate this.
>
>
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On Tue, April 21, 2009 5:18 am, fox5flyer wrote:
> I've gone through my tool kit list, added a few things and thrown out a few others.
> The ones labeled optional may or may not be added. I need to start looking around
for
> a tool bag. Maybe Home Depot. Most of the other things I already have on hand.
>
> If anyone has any comments, pro or con, don't hesitate to post them. There was
one
> time when I wish I would have had this tool kit and I suspect that there will
be
> another time one day and I want to be prepared, whether for me or to help out
someone
> I'm flying with.
>
> Deke
Been discussed but your new list left off.
2 shop rags
smallest available (4 oz?) can of WD-40
your small clamptite for that safety wire
Watch for unnecessary duplicity. Your Leatherman might have the wire cutter function
and part of the screw driver collection. Since you are committed to using a bag
for
tools, I don't see the need for an overpriced Leatherman. Select just the tools
you
need. I'm not too fond of combination screwdrivers either. I think you can make
do
with a single phillips and a wedge blade. The wedge blade doubles as a pry bar
which I
find to be needed frequently. I would be easily dissuaded on this if you have torx,
squares, allen and others on your plane. I have a screwdriver made by Stanley I
got at
Wal-Mart with a set of bits that included all the torx, phillips, allen, square
tip
and wedge tip bits I need in a little hard plastic snap holder. You don't have
to dump
all the bits out in a pile and sort through it until you find the one you want.
You
you can see each tip. The driver is actually 1/4" drive with a coupler for the
bits.
The shop rags are probably the most often used items. Any oil spill you don't want
streaking the length of your plane, cleaning a giant squashed bug off the windshield
you got taxiing right at dusk or that nasty glob of grease you picked up near a
fuel
island on a tire or anything you need to wipe to see if you have stopped a leak.
Make sure you have what it takes to charge your cell phone from your plane's
electrical system too. Cell phone is especially good for solving those nagging
'miscellaneous' repair problems. The ones that give you a headache unless you can
fix
them at home.
You really think extra spark plugs are necessary for a 4 stroke engine? I don't.
> Some sort of combination screwdriver
>
> Light weight box cutter
>
> Duct tape, small roll. Could be also be wrapped around box cutter or screw driver.
>
> Silicone Rescue Tape...optional
>
> 1/4" compact socket set - optional
>
> Small wire cutters -- optional
>
> 6" crescent type wrench
>
> 6" vice grips or equivalent
>
> 8 feet 18g insulated wire
>
> Small roll safety wire .032
>
> Tie wraps of various sizes
>
> Leatherman or equivalent
>
> Continuity tester
>
> Spark plug wrench
>
> Extra spark plugs
>
> Canvas or Cordura type bag.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City |
I was gonna say that takes some balls, but.......
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Apr 20, 2009, at 8:47 PM, Pete Christensen wrote:
> <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Lynn,
>
> And what about the lady who flew her ultralight from Oregon to
> Lakeland?
>
> Pete
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwight Purdy" <dpurdy@comteck.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
>
>
>> <dpurdy@comteck.com>
>>
>> Lynn
>> I find that because of all the readily available weather today I
>> tend to not go. You really have to look at the percentages. An
>> example would be a typical August forecast on Weatherbug.
>> Rain ,Rain,Rain,Rain. Now take a closer look. 15%,20%,30%,20%. You
>> have a 75% chance of no rain at all.
>>
>> Dwight Purdy
>> Model II
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I can't figure it out, Lowell....back then I was a 7-month
>>> rookie pilot, didn't have Garmin's Pilot My-Cast on my cell
>>> phone, didn't do any weather watching the first two days, but I
>>> did end up 4-5 miles from my 2nd destination and had to turn
>>> back a few miles to find shelter from a storm. I had 3 short-
>>> flying days out of 11 traveling days for the whole 6300-mile
>>> trip, and the rest were beautiful, as was your fly-in. I can
>>> only chalk it up to rookie enthusiasm, AND flying alone. I think
>>> I would have set out for Sun 'n' Fun last Friday, had it not
>>> been for another pilot's input on this trip. We were set to
>>> leave but he checked the weather one last time and didn't like
>>> what he saw, then the whole conversation turned to talk of
>>> hurricanes, planes flipped upside down, stuck in motels, etc.,
>>> and the trip was off. Left alone, I probably would have headed
>>> out, but thinking back on it, I wasn't ALL that enthused about
>>> the trip in the first place...Sun 'n' Fun that is. So like a
>>> true Libra, I flip- flopped on my decision. I'm pretty sure my
>>> decision would have been different if I had been traveling
>>> alone, as I like to fly for more than the other flier's 4-5
>>> hours, tops.
>>>
>>> Jeez, when I write it all down and look at it, I became a wuss
>>> on this trip......or a brave soul on the California trip,
>>> whatever. Maybe you need to plan another BBQ, Lowell, to lure me
>>> back out there. : )
>>>
>>> Lynn Matteson
>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>> Status: flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 20, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>>>
>>>> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>
>>>> Come, on Lynn, I'm offended now. You came to the very last
>>>> Cameron Park Kitfox fly-in and BBQ, and this way out on the Left
>>>> Coast.
>>>>
>>>> Lowell
>>>>
>>>> Do not archive
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
>>>> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:15 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's always the way isn't it? I watched the weather channel,
>>>>> searched the weather on Pilot My-Cast, and it looked like a
>>>>> marginally do-able two days of flight if everything went well,
>>>>> but not so good if it didn't, so I opted to stay home. It's a
>>>>> different matter if you live closer, but a lot can happen
>>>>> within the 1000 miles that I would have had to fly. Hell, I
>>>>> was getting a pretty good bouncing around just flying down to
>>>>> Defiance, Ohio on Saturday.
>>>>> So have fun guys, I'm setting my sights...again...on The
>>>>> Festival of Flight in late May.....one of these days I'll
>>>>> actually get to something besides Oshkosh. : )
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn Matteson
>>>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
>>>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>>>> Status: flying
>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 19, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Already here....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> weather great today....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a message dated 4/19/2009 6:25:17 P.M. Central Daylight
>>>>>> Time, lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
>>>>>> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have already cancelled my plans to go to S n F....too many
>>>>>> storms
>>>>>> showing on the weather between here and there to try to make
>>>>>> a fly-in
>>>>>> that is not at the top of my list of places to go.
>>>>>> I don't particularly like their methods of charging in advance
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> not giving back refunds. If this has changed, I'd like to know
>>>>>> so I
>>>>>> don't hold a grudge against the organization. It's just NOT
>>>>>> Oshkosh
>>>>>> in the way it operates....unless they've changed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynn Matteson
>>>>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>>>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
>>>>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>>>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>>>>> Status: flying
>>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2009, at 3:51 PM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <flyboytr@bellsouth.net>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Last year we flew into the Ultralight area. Always liked
>>>>>> the UL
>>>>>> > area much better than the Homebuilt area for camping,
>>>>>> access, etc.
>>>>>> > We have flown in and out of there many times in years past
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> > this was the first time in the Vixen. No problems. I hate we
>>>>>> won
>>>>>> > t be able to make this year. We have plans to be at High
>>>>>> Valley
>>>>>> > Resort in north Georgia that weekend. I have several
>>>>>> pictures and
>>>>>> > diagrams of routing into the UL area at SNF. I put these
>>>>>> together
>>>>>> > for some of our local folks that are flying down. I will post
>>>>>> > them. ...hope they are helpful.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Travis :D
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --------
>>>>>> > Travis Rayner
>>>>>> > Mobile, AL
>>>>>> > Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
>>>>>> > Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
>>>>>> > ADI-II Autopilot
>>>>>> > AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240137#240137
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Attachments:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture1_206.jpg
>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_4_210.jpg
>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_3_991.jpg
>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_2_757.jpg
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
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| Subject: | Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City |
I got to thinking about the Weather Channel....would they purposely
predict a little higher/ worser (poor English) weather just so people
would tune in to see how bad it really is? That way they have more
people tuning in, and therefore higher "ratings" and sell more
advertising? Jeez, I must REALLY be getting paranoid!
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Apr 20, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Dwight Purdy wrote:
>
> Lynn
> I find that because of all the readily available weather today I
> tend to not go. You really have to look at the percentages. An
> example would be a typical August forecast on Weatherbug.
> Rain ,Rain,Rain,Rain. Now take a closer look. 15%,20%,30%,20%. You
> have a 75% chance of no rain at all.
>
> Dwight Purdy
> Model II
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
>
>
>>
>> I can't figure it out, Lowell....back then I was a 7-month rookie
>> pilot, didn't have Garmin's Pilot My-Cast on my cell phone, didn't
>> do any weather watching the first two days, but I did end up 4-5
>> miles from my 2nd destination and had to turn back a few miles to
>> find shelter from a storm. I had 3 short-flying days out of 11
>> traveling days for the whole 6300-mile trip, and the rest were
>> beautiful, as was your fly-in. I can only chalk it up to rookie
>> enthusiasm, AND flying alone. I think I would have set out for
>> Sun 'n' Fun last Friday, had it not been for another pilot's
>> input on this trip. We were set to leave but he checked the
>> weather one last time and didn't like what he saw, then the whole
>> conversation turned to talk of hurricanes, planes flipped upside
>> down, stuck in motels, etc., and the trip was off. Left alone, I
>> probably would have headed out, but thinking back on it, I wasn't
>> ALL that enthused about the trip in the first place...Sun 'n' Fun
>> that is. So like a true Libra, I flip- flopped on my decision. I'm
>> pretty sure my decision would have been different if I had been
>> traveling alone, as I like to fly for more than the other flier's
>> 4-5 hours, tops.
>>
>> Jeez, when I write it all down and look at it, I became a wuss on
>> this trip......or a brave soul on the California trip, whatever.
>> Maybe you need to plan another BBQ, Lowell, to lure me back out
>> there. : )
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Status: flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>>
>>> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>
>>> Come, on Lynn, I'm offended now. You came to the very last
>>> Cameron Park Kitfox fly-in and BBQ, and this way out on the Left
>>> Coast.
>>>
>>> Lowell
>>>
>>> Do not archive
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson"
>>> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's always the way isn't it? I watched the weather channel,
>>>> searched the weather on Pilot My-Cast, and it looked like a
>>>> marginally do-able two days of flight if everything went well,
>>>> but not so good if it didn't, so I opted to stay home. It's a
>>>> different matter if you live closer, but a lot can happen
>>>> within the 1000 miles that I would have had to fly. Hell, I
>>>> was getting a pretty good bouncing around just flying down to
>>>> Defiance, Ohio on Saturday.
>>>> So have fun guys, I'm setting my sights...again...on The
>>>> Festival of Flight in late May.....one of these days I'll
>>>> actually get to something besides Oshkosh. : )
>>>>
>>>> Lynn Matteson
>>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
>>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>>> Status: flying
>>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 19, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Already here....
>>>>>
>>>>> weather great today....
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 4/19/2009 6:25:17 P.M. Central Daylight
>>>>> Time, lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
>>>>> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have already cancelled my plans to go to S n F....too many
>>>>> storms
>>>>> showing on the weather between here and there to try to make a
>>>>> fly-in
>>>>> that is not at the top of my list of places to go.
>>>>> I don't particularly like their methods of charging in advance and
>>>>> not giving back refunds. If this has changed, I'd like to know
>>>>> so I
>>>>> don't hold a grudge against the organization. It's just NOT
>>>>> Oshkosh
>>>>> in the way it operates....unless they've changed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn Matteson
>>>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
>>>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>>>> Status: flying
>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 19, 2009, at 3:51 PM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <flyboytr@bellsouth.net>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Last year we flew into the Ultralight area. Always liked the UL
>>>>> > area much better than the Homebuilt area for camping, access,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>> > We have flown in and out of there many times in years pastbut
>>>>> > this was the first time in the Vixen. No problems. I hate we
>>>>> won
>>>>> > t be able to make this year. We have plans to be at High
>>>>> Valley
>>>>> > Resort in north Georgia that weekend. I have several
>>>>> pictures and
>>>>> > diagrams of routing into the UL area at SNF. I put these
>>>>> together
>>>>> > for some of our local folks that are flying down. I will post
>>>>> > them. ...hope they are helpful.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Travis :D
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --------
>>>>> > Travis Rayner
>>>>> > Mobile, AL
>>>>> > Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
>>>>> > Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
>>>>> > ADI-II Autopilot
>>>>> > AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240137#240137
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Attachments:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture1_206.jpg
>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_4_210.jpg
>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_3_991.jpg
>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_2_757.jpg
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> &================================================ the ties Day
>>>>> ================================================ -
>>>>> MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ============================ -
>>>>> List Contribution Web Site sp;
>>>>> ==================================================
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: New Control stick |
Chris, Just some ideas, maybe I'm all wet. Without the stick contacting the seat,
strong arm force will be put on the elevator control tubes and rod ends at
full aft elevator when the rod end at the aft end of the control tube contacts
the vertical fin tail post. You will have some pretty significant leverage
advantage on those parts with the stick Might want to caution anyone else that
might fly the plane to stop pulling when the stop is felt. It is a very nice
looking modification.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Big Foot Rudder Mods |
nick4853 wrote:
> I want to see if any body has any Mods for us larger footed folks.
> Thanks,
> Nick W
Nick, bare feet. Sorry couldn't resist.
I have the same problem. It was a significant issue when I first started flying
my Kitfox. The tip of my right shoe would catch on the fuselage tubing or throttle
reverser bell crank right above it. I couldn't apply right brake or right
rudder on landings a few times and it got pretty exciting.
I ware shoes with the least sole and toe sticking out in front I could find and
make it a point o be sure my toes are just touching the top of the brake pedal
when I start the take off roll and the approach to land. With about 70 hours
in my kitfox now it doesn't seem to be an issue.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: New Control stick |
Tom Jones wrote:
> Chris, Just some ideas, maybe I'm all wet. Without the stick contacting the
seat, strong arm force will be put on the elevator control tubes and rod ends
at full aft elevator when the rod end at the aft end of the control tube contacts
the vertical fin tail post. You will have some pretty significant leverage
advantage on those parts with the stick Might want to caution anyone else
that might fly the plane to stop pulling when the stop is felt. It is a very
nice looking modification.
Hey Tom, You have a good point and I should have described that portion a little
better. About 3" from the bottom of the stick at the point where it bends forward,
it actually stops on the seat bar at the same time that the elevator stop
is reached. what I meant by not touching the seat was that the tick is not
buried in the cushion when aft. the stick still stops on the front seat bar.
--------
Chris Wehner
Tulsa, Oklahoma
Kitfox IV, 912, Final push for completion!
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Deke,
I think if I were looking for a light weight Tool bag, the first place I
would look is my wife's traveling cosmetics bag. Being a flight attendant,
she takes everything and trys to travel light. This might sound funny but
is meant to be serious - at least to the point of big pink flowers on the
"tool" bag.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:18 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit
I've gone through my tool kit list, added a few things and thrown out a few
others. The ones labeled optional may or may not be added. I need to start
looking around for a tool bag. Maybe Home Depot. Most of the other things
I already have on hand.
If anyone has any comments, pro or con, don't hesitate to post them. There
was one time when I wish I would have had this tool kit and I suspect that
there will be another time one day and I want to be prepared, whether for me
or to help out someone I'm flying with.
Deke
Some sort of combination screwdriver
Light weight box cutter
Duct tape, small roll. Could be also be wrapped around box cutter or screw
driver.
Silicone Rescue Tape...optional
1/4" compact socket set - optional
Small wire cutters -- optional
6" crescent type wrench
6" vice grips or equivalent
8 feet 18g insulated wire
Small roll safety wire .032
Tie wraps of various sizes
Leatherman or equivalent
Continuity tester
Spark plug wrench
Extra spark plugs
Canvas or Cordura type bag.
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| Subject: | Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City |
Lynn, I agree about the weather reports. Here in Hell Paso, a few years ago
a local weatherman predicted a huge snow storm so the schools closed and not
one flake fell. Boy did he learn a lesson. Some ticked off parents and
very happy kids.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
>
> I got to thinking about the Weather Channel....would they purposely
> predict a little higher/ worser (poor English) weather just so people
> would tune in to see how bad it really is? That way they have more people
> tuning in, and therefore higher "ratings" and sell more advertising?
> Jeez, I must REALLY be getting paranoid!
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Status: flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Apr 20, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Dwight Purdy wrote:
>
>>
>> Lynn
>> I find that because of all the readily available weather today I tend to
>> not go. You really have to look at the percentages. An example would be
>> a typical August forecast on Weatherbug. Rain ,Rain,Rain,Rain. Now take
>> a closer look. 15%,20%,30%,20%. You have a 75% chance of no rain at all.
>>
>> Dwight Purdy
>> Model II
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I can't figure it out, Lowell....back then I was a 7-month rookie
>>> pilot, didn't have Garmin's Pilot My-Cast on my cell phone, didn't do
>>> any weather watching the first two days, but I did end up 4-5 miles
>>> from my 2nd destination and had to turn back a few miles to find
>>> shelter from a storm. I had 3 short-flying days out of 11 traveling
>>> days for the whole 6300-mile trip, and the rest were beautiful, as was
>>> your fly-in. I can only chalk it up to rookie enthusiasm, AND flying
>>> alone. I think I would have set out for Sun 'n' Fun last Friday, had
>>> it not been for another pilot's input on this trip. We were set to
>>> leave but he checked the weather one last time and didn't like what he
>>> saw, then the whole conversation turned to talk of hurricanes, planes
>>> flipped upside down, stuck in motels, etc., and the trip was off. Left
>>> alone, I probably would have headed out, but thinking back on it, I
>>> wasn't ALL that enthused about the trip in the first place...Sun 'n'
>>> Fun that is. So like a true Libra, I flip- flopped on my decision. I'm
>>> pretty sure my decision would have been different if I had been
>>> traveling alone, as I like to fly for more than the other flier's 4-5
>>> hours, tops.
>>>
>>> Jeez, when I write it all down and look at it, I became a wuss on this
>>> trip......or a brave soul on the California trip, whatever. Maybe you
>>> need to plan another BBQ, Lowell, to lure me back out there. : )
>>>
>>> Lynn Matteson
>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>> Status: flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 20, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>>>
>>>> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>
>>>> Come, on Lynn, I'm offended now. You came to the very last Cameron
>>>> Park Kitfox fly-in and BBQ, and this way out on the Left Coast.
>>>>
>>>> Lowell
>>>>
>>>> Do not archive
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:15 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's always the way isn't it? I watched the weather channel,
>>>>> searched the weather on Pilot My-Cast, and it looked like a
>>>>> marginally do-able two days of flight if everything went well, but
>>>>> not so good if it didn't, so I opted to stay home. It's a different
>>>>> matter if you live closer, but a lot can happen within the 1000
>>>>> miles that I would have had to fly. Hell, I was getting a pretty
>>>>> good bouncing around just flying down to Defiance, Ohio on
>>>>> Saturday.
>>>>> So have fun guys, I'm setting my sights...again...on The Festival of
>>>>> Flight in late May.....one of these days I'll actually get to
>>>>> something besides Oshkosh. : )
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn Matteson
>>>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
>>>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>>>> Status: flying
>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 19, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Already here....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> weather great today....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a message dated 4/19/2009 6:25:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>>>>> lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have already cancelled my plans to go to S n F....too many storms
>>>>>> showing on the weather between here and there to try to make a
>>>>>> fly-in
>>>>>> that is not at the top of my list of places to go.
>>>>>> I don't particularly like their methods of charging in advance and
>>>>>> not giving back refunds. If this has changed, I'd like to know so I
>>>>>> don't hold a grudge against the organization. It's just NOT Oshkosh
>>>>>> in the way it operates....unless they've changed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynn Matteson
>>>>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>>>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
>>>>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>>>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>>>>> Status: flying
>>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2009, at 3:51 PM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <flyboytr@bellsouth.net>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Last year we flew into the Ultralight area. Always liked the UL
>>>>>> > area much better than the Homebuilt area for camping, access,
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>> > We have flown in and out of there many times in years pastbut
>>>>>> > this was the first time in the Vixen. No problems. I hate we
>>>>>> won
>>>>>> > t be able to make this year. We have plans to be at High
>>>>>> Valley
>>>>>> > Resort in north Georgia that weekend. I have several
>>>>>> pictures and
>>>>>> > diagrams of routing into the UL area at SNF. I put these
>>>>>> together
>>>>>> > for some of our local folks that are flying down. I will post
>>>>>> > them. ...hope they are helpful.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Travis :D
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --------
>>>>>> > Travis Rayner
>>>>>> > Mobile, AL
>>>>>> > Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
>>>>>> > Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
>>>>>> > ADI-II Autopilot
>>>>>> > AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240137#240137
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Attachments:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture1_206.jpg
>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_4_210.jpg
>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_3_991.jpg
>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_2_757.jpg
>>>>>> >
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| Subject: | Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City |
The Weather Channel! I don't suppose you folks in the other 50 pay much
attention to it, but ourselves out here on the West Coast, can't understand
why the talking body, insists on standing in front of the California part of
the weather map at all times, even when talking about California
eather. -- Oh!, I get it now.
I never look at the weather channel. In my opinion, It is the worst
"reality" TV in the system.
Lowell
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
>
> I got to thinking about the Weather Channel....would they purposely
> predict a little higher/ worser (poor English) weather just so people
> would tune in to see how bad it really is? That way they have more people
> tuning in, and therefore higher "ratings" and sell more advertising?
> Jeez, I must REALLY be getting paranoid!
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Status: flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Apr 20, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Dwight Purdy wrote:
>
>>
>> Lynn
>> I find that because of all the readily available weather today I tend to
>> not go. You really have to look at the percentages. An example would be
>> a typical August forecast on Weatherbug. Rain ,Rain,Rain,Rain. Now take
>> a closer look. 15%,20%,30%,20%. You have a 75% chance of no rain at all.
>>
>> Dwight Purdy
>> Model II
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I can't figure it out, Lowell....back then I was a 7-month rookie
>>> pilot, didn't have Garmin's Pilot My-Cast on my cell phone, didn't do
>>> any weather watching the first two days, but I did end up 4-5 miles
>>> from my 2nd destination and had to turn back a few miles to find
>>> shelter from a storm. I had 3 short-flying days out of 11 traveling
>>> days for the whole 6300-mile trip, and the rest were beautiful, as was
>>> your fly-in. I can only chalk it up to rookie enthusiasm, AND flying
>>> alone. I think I would have set out for Sun 'n' Fun last Friday, had
>>> it not been for another pilot's input on this trip. We were set to
>>> leave but he checked the weather one last time and didn't like what he
>>> saw, then the whole conversation turned to talk of hurricanes, planes
>>> flipped upside down, stuck in motels, etc., and the trip was off. Left
>>> alone, I probably would have headed out, but thinking back on it, I
>>> wasn't ALL that enthused about the trip in the first place...Sun 'n'
>>> Fun that is. So like a true Libra, I flip- flopped on my decision. I'm
>>> pretty sure my decision would have been different if I had been
>>> traveling alone, as I like to fly for more than the other flier's 4-5
>>> hours, tops.
>>>
>>> Jeez, when I write it all down and look at it, I became a wuss on this
>>> trip......or a brave soul on the California trip, whatever. Maybe you
>>> need to plan another BBQ, Lowell, to lure me back out there. : )
>>>
>>> Lynn Matteson
>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>> Status: flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 20, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>>>
>>>> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>
>>>> Come, on Lynn, I'm offended now. You came to the very last Cameron
>>>> Park Kitfox fly-in and BBQ, and this way out on the Left Coast.
>>>>
>>>> Lowell
>>>>
>>>> Do not archive
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:15 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's always the way isn't it? I watched the weather channel,
>>>>> searched the weather on Pilot My-Cast, and it looked like a
>>>>> marginally do-able two days of flight if everything went well, but
>>>>> not so good if it didn't, so I opted to stay home. It's a different
>>>>> matter if you live closer, but a lot can happen within the 1000
>>>>> miles that I would have had to fly. Hell, I was getting a pretty
>>>>> good bouncing around just flying down to Defiance, Ohio on
>>>>> Saturday.
>>>>> So have fun guys, I'm setting my sights...again...on The Festival of
>>>>> Flight in late May.....one of these days I'll actually get to
>>>>> something besides Oshkosh. : )
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn Matteson
>>>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
>>>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>>>> Status: flying
>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 19, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Already here....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> weather great today....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a message dated 4/19/2009 6:25:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>>>>> lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have already cancelled my plans to go to S n F....too many storms
>>>>>> showing on the weather between here and there to try to make a
>>>>>> fly-in
>>>>>> that is not at the top of my list of places to go.
>>>>>> I don't particularly like their methods of charging in advance and
>>>>>> not giving back refunds. If this has changed, I'd like to know so I
>>>>>> don't hold a grudge against the organization. It's just NOT Oshkosh
>>>>>> in the way it operates....unless they've changed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynn Matteson
>>>>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>>>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
>>>>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>>>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>>>>> Status: flying
>>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2009, at 3:51 PM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <flyboytr@bellsouth.net>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Last year we flew into the Ultralight area. Always liked the UL
>>>>>> > area much better than the Homebuilt area for camping, access,
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>> > We have flown in and out of there many times in years pastbut
>>>>>> > this was the first time in the Vixen. No problems. I hate we
>>>>>> won
>>>>>> > t be able to make this year. We have plans to be at High
>>>>>> Valley
>>>>>> > Resort in north Georgia that weekend. I have several
>>>>>> pictures and
>>>>>> > diagrams of routing into the UL area at SNF. I put these
>>>>>> together
>>>>>> > for some of our local folks that are flying down. I will post
>>>>>> > them. ...hope they are helpful.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Travis :D
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --------
>>>>>> > Travis Rayner
>>>>>> > Mobile, AL
>>>>>> > Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
>>>>>> > Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
>>>>>> > ADI-II Autopilot
>>>>>> > AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240137#240137
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Attachments:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture1_206.jpg
>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_4_210.jpg
>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_3_991.jpg
>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_2_757.jpg
>>>>>> >
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Thanks Paul. Your input is always welcome. See below:
Rags are a given. Always in the airplane anyway.
Can't see the value of wd40
Clamptite would be a duplication of the pliers/leatherman
Already have the Leatherman and it's very handy to have.
Cell phone is always with me and I charge it every night. On an overnight
trip I have a charger in my ditty bag.
Spark plugs probably are over kill, until you need one.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
>
> Been discussed but your new list left off.
>
> 2 shop rags
> smallest available (4 oz?) can of WD-40
> your small clamptite for that safety wire
>
> Watch for unnecessary duplicity. Your Leatherman might have the wire
> cutter function
> and part of the screw driver collection. Since you are committed to using
> a bag for
> tools, I don't see the need for an overpriced Leatherman. Select just the
> tools you
> need. I'm not too fond of combination screwdrivers either. I think you can
> make do
> with a single phillips and a wedge blade. The wedge blade doubles as a pry
> bar which I
> find to be needed frequently. I would be easily dissuaded on this if you
> have torx,
> squares, allen and others on your plane. I have a screwdriver made by
> Stanley I got at
> Wal-Mart with a set of bits that included all the torx, phillips, allen,
> square tip
> and wedge tip bits I need in a little hard plastic snap holder. You don't
> have to dump
> all the bits out in a pile and sort through it until you find the one you
> want. You
> you can see each tip. The driver is actually 1/4" drive with a coupler for
> the bits.
> The shop rags are probably the most often used items. Any oil spill you
> don't want
> streaking the length of your plane, cleaning a giant squashed bug off the
> windshield
> you got taxiing right at dusk or that nasty glob of grease you picked up
> near a fuel
> island on a tire or anything you need to wipe to see if you have stopped a
> leak.
>
> Make sure you have what it takes to charge your cell phone from your
> plane's
> electrical system too. Cell phone is especially good for solving those
> nagging
> 'miscellaneous' repair problems. The ones that give you a headache unless
> you can fix
> them at home.
>
> You really think extra spark plugs are necessary for a 4 stroke engine? I
> don't.
>
>> Some sort of combination screwdriver
>>
>> Light weight box cutter
>>
>> Duct tape, small roll. Could be also be wrapped around box cutter or
>> screw driver.
>>
>> Silicone Rescue Tape...optional
>>
>> 1/4" compact socket set - optional
>>
>> Small wire cutters -- optional
>>
>> 6" crescent type wrench
>>
>> 6" vice grips or equivalent
>>
>> 8 feet 18g insulated wire
>>
>> Small roll safety wire .032
>>
>> Tie wraps of various sizes
>>
>> Leatherman or equivalent
>>
>> Continuity tester
>>
>> Spark plug wrench
>>
>> Extra spark plugs
>>
>> Canvas or Cordura type bag.
> --
>
>
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Thanks, Lowell. I'll see what I can find. Not sure though if a cosmetics
bag would be durable enough, but I'm keeping an open mind. Can I get one in
camo? :-)
Deke
do not archive
>
> Deke,
>
> I think if I were looking for a light weight Tool bag, the first place I
> would look is my wife's traveling cosmetics bag. Being a flight
> attendant, she takes everything and trys to travel light. This might
> sound funny but is meant to be serious - at least to the point of big pink
> flowers on the "tool" bag.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> To: "Kitfox List" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:18 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit
>
>
> I've gone through my tool kit list, added a few things and thrown out a
> few others. The ones labeled optional may or may not be added. I need to
> start looking around for a tool bag. Maybe Home Depot. Most of the other
> things I already have on hand.
>
> If anyone has any comments, pro or con, don't hesitate to post them.
> There was one time when I wish I would have had this tool kit and I
> suspect that there will be another time one day and I want to be prepared,
> whether for me or to help out someone I'm flying with.
>
> Deke
>
>
> Some sort of combination screwdriver
>
> Light weight box cutter
>
> Duct tape, small roll. Could be also be wrapped around box cutter or screw
> driver.
>
> Silicone Rescue Tape...optional
>
> 1/4" compact socket set - optional
>
> Small wire cutters -- optional
>
> 6" crescent type wrench
>
> 6" vice grips or equivalent
>
> 8 feet 18g insulated wire
>
> Small roll safety wire .032
>
> Tie wraps of various sizes
>
> Leatherman or equivalent
>
> Continuity tester
>
> Spark plug wrench
>
> Extra spark plugs
>
> Canvas or Cordura type bag.
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation |
Patrick,
The Kitfox is a far Superior airplane to the Zenith Air CH-750. The CH750 is slow,
and a real dog in the air compared to the Kitfox. The Kitfox is faster,
more agile, and does everything the CH-750 will do but better.
The ridiculously fat wing of the CH-750 is horrible for a lot of reasons. Flutter
would not be my concern here, flutter problems can be easily solved as I am
sure Zenith Air will now quickly do. The bad design of the CH-750 is something
that can not be fixed.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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The black canvas reusable shopping bags that Wal Mart sells are great ! They are
light, strong, durable, and only cost a dollar. Even with a screwdriver, you
would have a hard time poking a hole through one, and they are the perfect
size to wrap around a portable tool kit.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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A ziploc bag with a few bandages, and some handy wipes is always a good
toolkit addition.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City |
peteohms wrote:
> Lynn,
>
> And what about the lady who flew her ultralight from Oregon to Lakeland?
>
> Pete
>
> ---
That lady is Arty Trost, she flew her Drifter with a 582 from Oregon to Lakland
and will be flying back after the airshow. She has a nice webpage with daily
stories about her flight and pictures. Its very well done and well worth reading,
you can see it here:
http://www.lessonsfromtheedge.com/b2evolution/blog1.php
To see her journey from the start, click on the first day of the calender of the
lower right hand side of the page, and then go from there.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation |
I believe the flutter problem was with the 601 only. Someone correct me if
I'm wrong.
Deke
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----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:09 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation
>
> Patrick,
>
> The Kitfox is a far Superior airplane to the Zenith Air CH-750. The CH750
> is slow, and a real dog in the air compared to the Kitfox. The Kitfox is
> faster, more agile, and does everything the CH-750 will do but better.
>
> The ridiculously fat wing of the CH-750 is horrible for a lot of reasons.
> Flutter would not be my concern here, flutter problems can be easily
> solved as I am sure Zenith Air will now quickly do. The bad design of the
> CH-750 is something that can not be fixed.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240480#240480
>
>
>
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That kinda transitions to a "survival" kit, which I intend to research next.
Thanks.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
----- Original Message -----
From: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tool Kit
>
> A ziploc bag with a few bandages, and some handy wipes is always a good
> toolkit addition.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240484#240484
>
>
>
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The best idea is to not use a GSC. There are many stronger, better, more efficient,
and more modern propellers you can use now days. Warp Drive with the nickel
leading edges is a very good prop, what I use now, and what I will defiantly
be using on my Kitfox.
The GSC prop does make excellent firewood though :)
Mike
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation |
Uh, hmm ... Well I would definetly not go so far as to say that ...
Being a builder of BOTH a Kitfox, and a Zenith I see it slightly differently.
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation |
Deke -
The 601 has the flutter/wing shedding problem.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation |
Jeff, what are you impressions of both? Which models did you own?
The reason why I'm very much interested in the 750 is because I am a large guy
(6'5 , 260lbs) and the bubble doors appealed to me. Also, I was interested in
using an O-200 but still having a good useful load.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of n85ae
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:42 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation
Uh, hmm ... Well I would definetly not go so far as to say that ...
Being a builder of BOTH a Kitfox, and a Zenith I see it slightly differently.
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation |
Mike, what about the design of the 750 has turned you towards the kitfox?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JetPilot
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:10 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation
Patrick,
The Kitfox is a far Superior airplane to the Zenith Air CH-750. The CH750 is slow,
and a real dog in the air compared to the Kitfox. The Kitfox is faster,
more agile, and does everything the CH-750 will do but better.
The ridiculously fat wing of the CH-750 is horrible for a lot of reasons. Flutter
would not be my concern here, flutter problems can be easily solved as I am
sure Zenith Air will now quickly do. The bad design of the CH-750 is something
that can not be fixed.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
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Mike, Any prop can fail. I have seen some of them fail.
Do you have some Factual information for your slanderous comments ?
I have posted pics of WARP, IVO and GSC that have failed. can you post your facts
?
Dave
JetPilot wrote:
> The best idea is to not use a GSC. There are many stronger, better, more efficient,
and more modern propellers you can use now days. The GSC has a history
of failures, and a very short life span limitation, that should tell you something....
Warp Drive with the nickel leading edges is a very good prop, what
I use now, and what I will defiantly be using on my Kitfox.
>
> The GSC prop does make excellent firewood though :)
>
> Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation |
I posted that info here the other day
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=57186
Kitfox had flutter issues as well in the early days and not all Kitfox have 2 counter
weights per flapperon only the Speedster did. Others have one for each
flapperon..
It was just the 601 xl this note was about and a serious issue as they have had
more than 1 inflight break ups .
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| Subject: | Re: Charging system trouble shooting |
James, Have you checked your battery ?
- Fluid level -- top with distilled water and slow charge over night
- once charge put on a load test.
I assume that after you put on the key west regulator that you ran a voltage check
? You should be getting about 14 V with engine running and 12.5 to 13.2
with engine off
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City |
It must be a regional thing. When they report on New York out here they
stand in front of New York State. Isn't it about time they wised up to
laser pointers? Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
>
> The Weather Channel! I don't suppose you folks in the other 50 pay much
> attention to it, but ourselves out here on the West Coast, can't
> understand
> why the talking body, insists on standing in front of the California part
> of
> the weather map at all times, even when talking about California
> eather. -- Oh!, I get it now.
>
> I never look at the weather channel. In my opinion, It is the worst
> "reality" TV in the system.
>
> Lowell
>
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
>
>
>>
>> I got to thinking about the Weather Channel....would they purposely
>> predict a little higher/ worser (poor English) weather just so people
>> would tune in to see how bad it really is? That way they have more
>> people
>> tuning in, and therefore higher "ratings" and sell more advertising?
>> Jeez, I must REALLY be getting paranoid!
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Status: flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Dwight Purdy wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>> I find that because of all the readily available weather today I tend
>>> to
>>> not go. You really have to look at the percentages. An example would be
>>> a typical August forecast on Weatherbug. Rain ,Rain,Rain,Rain. Now take
>>> a closer look. 15%,20%,30%,20%. You have a 75% chance of no rain at
>>> all.
>>>
>>> Dwight Purdy
>>> Model II
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:28 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can't figure it out, Lowell....back then I was a 7-month rookie
>>>> pilot, didn't have Garmin's Pilot My-Cast on my cell phone, didn't do
>>>> any weather watching the first two days, but I did end up 4-5 miles
>>>> from my 2nd destination and had to turn back a few miles to find
>>>> shelter from a storm. I had 3 short-flying days out of 11 traveling
>>>> days for the whole 6300-mile trip, and the rest were beautiful, as
>>>> was
>>>> your fly-in. I can only chalk it up to rookie enthusiasm, AND flying
>>>> alone. I think I would have set out for Sun 'n' Fun last Friday, had
>>>> it not been for another pilot's input on this trip. We were set to
>>>> leave but he checked the weather one last time and didn't like what
>>>> he
>>>> saw, then the whole conversation turned to talk of hurricanes, planes
>>>> flipped upside down, stuck in motels, etc., and the trip was off.
>>>> Left
>>>> alone, I probably would have headed out, but thinking back on it, I
>>>> wasn't ALL that enthused about the trip in the first place...Sun 'n'
>>>> Fun that is. So like a true Libra, I flip- flopped on my decision. I'm
>>>> pretty sure my decision would have been different if I had been
>>>> traveling alone, as I like to fly for more than the other flier's 4-5
>>>> hours, tops.
>>>>
>>>> Jeez, when I write it all down and look at it, I became a wuss on
>>>> this
>>>> trip......or a brave soul on the California trip, whatever. Maybe you
>>>> need to plan another BBQ, Lowell, to lure me back out there. : )
>>>>
>>>> Lynn Matteson
>>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
>>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>>> Status: flying
>>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 20, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> Come, on Lynn, I'm offended now. You came to the very last Cameron
>>>>> Park Kitfox fly-in and BBQ, and this way out on the Left Coast.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lowell
>>>>>
>>>>> Do not archive
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:15 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's always the way isn't it? I watched the weather channel,
>>>>>> searched the weather on Pilot My-Cast, and it looked like a
>>>>>> marginally do-able two days of flight if everything went well, but
>>>>>> not so good if it didn't, so I opted to stay home. It's a different
>>>>>> matter if you live closer, but a lot can happen within the 1000
>>>>>> miles that I would have had to fly. Hell, I was getting a pretty
>>>>>> good bouncing around just flying down to Defiance, Ohio on
>>>>>> Saturday.
>>>>>> So have fun guys, I'm setting my sights...again...on The Festival
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> Flight in late May.....one of these days I'll actually get to
>>>>>> something besides Oshkosh. : )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynn Matteson
>>>>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>>>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
>>>>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>>>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>>>>> Status: flying
>>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Already here....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> weather great today....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a message dated 4/19/2009 6:25:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>>>>>> lynnmatt@jps.net writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have already cancelled my plans to go to S n F....too many storms
>>>>>>> showing on the weather between here and there to try to make a
>>>>>>> fly-in
>>>>>>> that is not at the top of my list of places to go.
>>>>>>> I don't particularly like their methods of charging in advance and
>>>>>>> not giving back refunds. If this has changed, I'd like to know so I
>>>>>>> don't hold a grudge against the organization. It's just NOT Oshkosh
>>>>>>> in the way it operates....unless they've changed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lynn Matteson
>>>>>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>>>>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
>>>>>>> Sensenich 62x46
>>>>>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>>>>>> Status: flying
>>>>>>> do not archive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 19, 2009, at 3:51 PM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <flyboytr@bellsouth.net>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Last year we flew into the Ultralight area. Always liked the UL
>>>>>>> > area much better than the Homebuilt area for camping, access,
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>> > We have flown in and out of there many times in years pastbut
>>>>>>> > this was the first time in the Vixen. No problems. I hate we
>>>>>>> won
>>>>>>> > t be able to make this year. We have plans to be at High
>>>>>>> Valley
>>>>>>> > Resort in north Georgia that weekend. I have several
>>>>>>> pictures and
>>>>>>> > diagrams of routing into the UL area at SNF. I put these
>>>>>>> together
>>>>>>> > for some of our local folks that are flying down. I will post
>>>>>>> > them. ...hope they are helpful.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Travis :D
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > --------
>>>>>>> > Travis Rayner
>>>>>>> > Mobile, AL
>>>>>>> > Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
>>>>>>> > Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
>>>>>>> > ADI-II Autopilot
>>>>>>> > AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240137#240137
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Attachments:
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>>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture1_206.jpg
>>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_4_210.jpg
>>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_3_991.jpg
>>>>>>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/snf_ul_2_757.jpg
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
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On Tue, April 21, 2009 9:33 am, JetPilot wrote:
>
> The best idea is to not use a GSC. There are many stronger, better, more efficient,
> and more modern propellers you can use now days. Warp Drive with the nickel
leading
> edges is a very good prop, what I use now, and what I will defiantly be using
on my
> Kitfox.
Mike, you certainly express your thoughts in a conclusive manner. Did you know
that
Jabiru requires the use of wood propellers on their engines?
<http://www.jabiru.net.au/propellerbodyFrame-1.htm>
It would be helpful if you provided a little more backup to your conclusion. I've
heard it said many times that wood props are especially susceptible to water damage
and that makes them less than ideal for use with float operations. Since Jabiru
requires them, they wouldn't be the engine of choice for float ops. Must be something
nice about wood props or an engine manufacturer wouldn't specify them by preference.
Could be an accidental misspelling but why is using a Warp Drive with nickel edges
being defiant? I don't think there is a hard and fast rule directing one to use
some
other prop, wood, metal, composite or otherwise on the KF. Maybe you meant
'definitely' rather than defiantly.
Must be something good about GSC, they sure sell a lot of props. Maybe it's price,
maybe performance or weight. Must be some reason people are buying them and some
reason why an engine manufacturer specifies them.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
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"President Obama proclaims no more of George W. Bush's 'War on
Terror,' even as he silently keeps most of it in place. The result
is as confusing as it soon will be dangerous. In these first 100
days of his presidency, Barack Obama has promised that the
Guantanamo Bay detention facility will be closed within a year. He
has assured us wiretapping and overseas rendition are under
re-examination. The Obama administration has also been busy
tweaking terminology in an effort to put a kinder, gentler face to
the war. There is no longer a 'Global War on Terror': It has been
replaced by 'overseas contingency operations.' ... According to
Janet Napolitano, the new secretary of Homeland Security, there is
not even 'terrorism' but 'man-caused disasters.' ... Despite
American apologies and softer language, radical Islamists still
think we are at war -- and that they can defeat us. In short, we
are in a new, surreal, and dangerous phase of the old war, doing
enough killing to enrage our enemies even as we act sometimes as
if we are not. ... Fighting a clear war against enemies is
dangerous. Clearly not fighting a war against enemies may be more
dangerous. But sort of fighting a war, while acting as if we are
sort of not, may be the most dangerous thing of all."
-- Hoover Institution historian Victor Davis Hanson
There is no distinctly native American criminal class...save Congress
-- Mark Twain
"It is necessary for every American, with becoming energy to endeavor
to stop the dissemination of principles evidently destructive of the
cause for which they have bled. It must be the combined virtue of the
rulers and of the people to do this, and to rescue and save their
civil and religious rights from the outstretched arm of tyranny, which
may appear under any mode or form of government."
-- Mercy Warren, History of the Rise, Progress, and Termination of the
American Revolution, 1805
"The idea that American 'hate groups' are right-wing and bristling with vets
got new life with JFK's assassination at the hands of a disgruntled vet named Lee
Harvey Oswald. Everybody knew right away that Oswald was an agent of 'hate' --
and
hate was code for right-wing and racist. Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren
summed up the instantaneous conventional wisdom when he blamed the 'climate of
hatred' for Kennedy's death. Everybody knew that the right was involved. There
was
just one inconvenient truth: Oswald was a communist who, according to the Warren
report, had 'an extreme dislike of the rightwing' and had actually tried to murder
a
right-wing former Army general. When Hollywood filmed the Tom Clancy novel 'The
Sum
of All Fears,' it changed the real villains from Jihadi terrorists to a bunch of
European CEOs who were secret Nazis. Because 'everybody knows' that's where the
real
threat lies. Sen. John Kerry belonged to an organization of vets that considered
assassinating American politicians. (Kerry denied participating in those meetings.)
Barack Obama was friends with, and a colleague of, a domestic terrorist whose
organization plotted to murder soldiers and their wives at a social at Fort Dix.
A
young Hillary Clinton sympathized with the Black Panthers, a paramilitary gang
of
racist murderers and cop killers. Bring that up and you're a paranoid nutcase out
of
'Dr. Strangelove.' But if you're terrified of a bunch of citizens who throw tea
in
the water and demand lower taxes and less government spending, well, that's just
a
sign of political seriousness. Because everyone knows who the real threat to the
country is."
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation |
I built and fly a Series 5 Kitfox with an IO-240B, and am most of the way
through building a CH801. Given your size, you will be VERY cramped in a Kitfox.
I am quite a bit smaller, and I find it cramped (and yes I have
the bubble doors). I can't speak for the 750, but the 801 has a LOT more
room inside.
Kit quality is the same, just different. The manuals I got for the Kitfox
were better than those for the Zenith. However the Zenith has a lot of
good drawings.
My hangar neighbors have a Murphy Moose, they complain just as much
about the Murphy kit as do I about Zenith, or previously the Kitfox. So
I would say - They're all about the same with regard to building. The
kits are all ok, but none of them are perfect.
The Zenith IS a draggy plane, BUT it is probably less affected by weight
than the Kitfox. The Kitfox flies great light, but the wing is NOT a load
hauler. So they are different flyers. The Zenith will take off shorter, and
land shorter than a Kitfox, but it won't go as fast. I really hate to say it,
but I really don't think of the Kitfox as being STOL. I think of it as being
a pretty straight forward tube and fabric high wing taildragger. I've been
flying it for almost 7 years now, so I think my opinion is pretty well
formed.
Light weight, solo, the Kitfox gets of the ground really fast. But put two
in it, and it's just another airplane.
I think if you want to haul a load, and get in and out of small places
and aren't worried about cruise speed (or looks). The 750 & 801 are
better planes than the Kitfox. If most of your flying is solo, and you
like flying in and out of grass strips, etc. The Kitfox is the plane.
If you weigh 260, I'd seriously look at the Zenith's. The Kitfox is very
small inside.
I like both planes, they are different. I definetly would not say one is
better than the other.
Regards,
Jeff
> Jeff, what are you impressions of both? Which models did you own?
>
> The reason why I'm very much interested in the 750 is because I am a large guy
(6'5 , 260lbs) and the bubble doors appealed to me. Also, I was interested in
using an O-200 but still having a good useful load.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Charging system trouble shooting |
My experience has been that these small batteries are only good for 12-18 months.
Good advise.
John Kerr
Classic IV 912ul 784hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: dave
Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:46:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Charging system trouble shooting
James, Have you checked your battery ?
- Fluid level -- top with distilled water and slow charge over night
- once charge put on a load test.
I assume that after you put on the key west regulator that you ran a voltage check
? You should be getting about 14 V with engine running and 12.5 to 13.2
with engine off
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City |
I saw Arty Trost at Las Cruces, NM when I landed over a week ago. Did not
get a chance to talk to her. It was too bumpy up there for me. I can
imagine how it was up there for her.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:28 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
>
>
> peteohms wrote:
>> Lynn,
>>
>> And what about the lady who flew her ultralight from Oregon to Lakeland?
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> ---
>
>
> That lady is Arty Trost, she flew her Drifter with a 582 from Oregon to
> Lakland and will be flying back after the airshow. She has a nice webpage
> with daily stories about her flight and pictures. Its very well done and
> well worth reading, you can see it here:
>
> http://www.lessonsfromtheedge.com/b2evolution/blog1.php
>
> To see her journey from the start, click on the first day of the calender
> of the lower right hand side of the page, and then go from there.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240487#240487
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation |
Jet Pilot,
Just curious, Have you flown Both??. Or are you just passing on some
internet hearsay. Not to get me wrong, I love my Kitfox, but, I like to
post where I have some personal experience. To simply pass on rumor or
hear-say as fact sounds pretty much like most internet information. FYI, I
know some dedicated and experienced Kitfox folks who are experimenting with
a "fat" wing. I really don't know if anyone can simply look at a wing and
decide if it will enhance performance or hurt it. Some enterprizing soul
will prove the concept. Until then we will get lots of opinions.
Another question, do you always have to trash anything you don't personally
own?
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:09 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation
>
> Patrick,
>
> The Kitfox is a far Superior airplane to the Zenith Air CH-750. The CH750
> is slow, and a real dog in the air compared to the Kitfox. The Kitfox is
> faster, more agile, and does everything the CH-750 will do but better.
>
> The ridiculously fat wing of the CH-750 is horrible for a lot of reasons.
> Flutter would not be my concern here, flutter problems can be easily
> solved as I am sure Zenith Air will now quickly do. The bad design of the
> CH-750 is something that can not be fixed.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240480#240480
>
>
>
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Anybody know anything about this? http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.
php?id=59629
-
Pilot was David Long of Burkesville, KY.
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 c-Box 3:1 w/clutch=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City |
Arty is really something to be flying all over the country like this. And
when you realize that she is 65 years old also...... Quite the gal!!! I'v
e followed her blog every day as she has flown accross the country and it i
s well worth reading. Jim Chuk Avids Kitfox 4 Mn
> From: apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
> Date: Tue=2C 21 Apr 2009 12:28:44 -0600
>
sbcglobal.net>
>
> I saw Arty Trost at Las Cruces=2C NM when I landed over a week ago. Did n
ot
> get a chance to talk to her. It was too bumpy up there for me. I can
> imagine how it was up there for her.
>
> Pete
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday=2C April 21=2C 2009 10:28 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Sun 'n' Fun....Paradise City
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> >
> >
> > peteohms wrote:
> >> Lynn=2C
> >>
> >> And what about the lady who flew her ultralight from Oregon to Lakelan
d?
> >>
> >> Pete
> >>
> >> ---
> >
> >
> > That lady is Arty Trost=2C she flew her Drifter with a 582 from Oregon
to
> > Lakland and will be flying back after the airshow. She has a nice webpa
ge
> > with daily stories about her flight and pictures. Its very well done an
d
> > well worth reading=2C you can see it here:
> >
> > http://www.lessonsfromtheedge.com/b2evolution/blog1.php
> >
> > To see her journey from the start=2C click on the first day of the cale
nder
> > of the lower right hand side of the page=2C and then go from there.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --------
> > "=3BNO FEAR"=3B - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as
you
> > could have !!!
> >
> > Kolb MK-III Xtra=2C 912-S
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240487#240487
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Scrap the tie wraps and put in a small length of string... nylon would be
good.... You will be able to use the string for everything to holding up
shelters to tourniquets if necessary. You w0uld even be able to stitch up a
wing with it if you had to. Your leatherman could make the holes wax from
a candle would make the end of the string stiff enough to push through the
holes and the tape would seal the repair until you get home. String can
also be used to do just about anything tie wraps can do only more.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:49 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit
I've gone through my tool kit list, added a few things and thrown out a few
others. The ones labeled optional may or may not be added. I need to start
looking around for a tool bag. Maybe Home Depot. Most of the other things
I already have on hand.
If anyone has any comments, pro or con, don't hesitate to post them. There
was one time when I wish I would have had this tool kit and I suspect that
there will be another time one day and I want to be prepared, whether for me
or to help out someone I'm flying with.
Deke
Some sort of combination screwdriver
Light weight box cutter
Duct tape, small roll. Could be also be wrapped around box cutter or screw
driver.
Silicone Rescue Tape...optional
1/4" compact socket set - optional
Small wire cutters -- optional
6" crescent type wrench
6" vice grips or equivalent
8 feet 18g insulated wire
Small roll safety wire .032
Tie wraps of various sizes
Leatherman or equivalent
Continuity tester
Spark plug wrench
Extra spark plugs
Canvas or Cordura type bag.
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Jeez, Deke, I hadn't heard you were switching to Jabiru power. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Apr 21, 2009, at 8:18 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
> There was one time when I wish I would have had this tool kit and
> I suspect that there will be another time one day and I want to be
> prepared
>
> Deke
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Taking that thought a step further, how about a length of rib lacing
cord? It's already got the wax impregnated in it. I used it to bundle
some of the wires in my plane, so if I forgot to take it along with
me, I could just rob some from the plane and not tell the FAA that
I've now got some wires dangling. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Apr 21, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> Scrap the tie wraps and put in a small length of string... nylon
> would be good.... You will be able to use the string for
> everything to holding up shelters to tourniquets if necessary. You
> w0uld even be able to stitch up a wing with it if you had to. Your
> leatherman could make the holes wax from a candle would make the
> end of the string stiff enough to push through the holes and the
> tape would seal the repair until you get home. String can also be
> used to do just about anything tie wraps can do only more.
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Charging system trouble shooting |
Thanks for the responses.
Tom, I sure have been learning a lot, in a good way I think. I am getting to do
a lot of construction and repair type items but the plane is flyable through
most of the problems so it keeps me entertained. I don't really follow with
what you are saying about the Key West though. The Rotax regulator I removed
had two yellow wires (no black stripe), a black, and a red, which all wired directly
to the Key West.
Dave, besides taking the battery to the auto parts store how do you do a load test?
The water is good and I always slow charge it.
When I first flip in the Master I usually have 12.5 to 13 volts indicated and it
never gets any higher then that. Does this mean that there is no charging going
on at all? I wouldn't doubt it.
Thanks again.
--------
James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
Just about ready to take my check ride.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240552#240552
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Great idea. Wax chord could also be used to start a fire or floss your
teeth. :-) Seriously wax chord was used extensively in aircraft before the
advent of nylon tie wraps. I have a beef with the tie wraps and that is
when cropped if not rounded they will gash open hands reaching into an
engine compartment tugging on things to check they are solid.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit
Taking that thought a step further, how about a length of rib lacing
cord? It's already got the wax impregnated in it. I used it to bundle
some of the wires in my plane, so if I forgot to take it along with
me, I could just rob some from the plane and not tell the FAA that
I've now got some wires dangling. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Apr 21, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
> Scrap the tie wraps and put in a small length of string... nylon
> would be good.... You will be able to use the string for
> everything to holding up shelters to tourniquets if necessary. You
> w0uld even be able to stitch up a wing with it if you had to. Your
> leatherman could make the holes wax from a candle would make the
> end of the string stiff enough to push through the holes and the
> tape would seal the repair until you get home. String can also be
> used to do just about anything tie wraps can do only more.
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Re: Charging system trouble shooting |
When it is charging (engine running) you should see a minimum of 13.8V and
a max of 14.8V.
BTW the trickle charger is not the best for small batteries a pulse charger
is much better to maintain the electrical form of the battery. There are
pulse chargers for motorcycles that do fantastic jobs of keeping potteries
in tip top shape.
It sounds to me you have one of two problems. Either the voltage regulator
is not wired up correctly ( the black and red wires) or your lighting coil
in the mag is toast. Check the lighting coil for an open with an ohm meter.
If there is continuity start the engine and check there is AC voltage across
the two yellow wires. That requires you set your voltmeter to ACV not DCV a
common enough mistake.
An additional problem you may have is one of poor grounding. The regulator
senses the voltage level against a system ground. (battery -) Generally
this is done through the case of the regulator. If the regulator is mounted
on an insulated sheet or has a poor ground then the regulator may not work.
Make sure the metal under the regulator is nice and clean and shiny.
Best of luck
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WurlyBird
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:47 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Charging system trouble shooting
<james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
Thanks for the responses.
Tom, I sure have been learning a lot, in a good way I think. I am getting
to do a lot of construction and repair type items but the plane is flyable
through most of the problems so it keeps me entertained. I don't really
follow with what you are saying about the Key West though. The Rotax
regulator I removed had two yellow wires (no black stripe), a black, and a
red, which all wired directly to the Key West.
Dave, besides taking the battery to the auto parts store how do you do a
load test? The water is good and I always slow charge it.
When I first flip in the Master I usually have 12.5 to 13 volts indicated
and it never gets any higher then that. Does this mean that there is no
charging going on at all? I wouldn't doubt it.
Thanks again.
--------
James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
Just about ready to take my check ride.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240552#240552
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Wow, I sure didn't intend to start debate about propellors but glad I did. I'm
concerned about safety for sure, but also am concerned about long term cost.
This is my first kitplane and I'm used to certified aircraft and props.
I I told Dave earlier I'm to going to contact GSC for advice. The prop looks good
under visual inspection. I work for the Transportation Safety Board of Canada
as an investigator and see enough accident reports that I do not want to
take a chance. If a GSC prop has an automatic 5 year expiry date (with no hours)
then I consider it a "disposable" prop, and, even though I inherited it with
the kit I bought, would not consider one again just based on TBO.
That said, I plan to put the plane on floats in the next two years and may need
to change the prop anyways.
Cheers, and keep up the discussion!!!
Ken
--------
Ken Potter
Model II, No. 483
Rotax 582, C-Box,
98% Complete
C-FJKP (marks reserved)
Lanark, Ontario
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No, not yet anyway. What happened was shortly after my annual I failed to
completely tighten one of the fittings on the header tank and the fuel smell
made me land at the nearest airport where I had to borrow tools and go to
town for tie wraps because it required removing the seat to get at the
fittings. It didn't start leaking until midway through the second flight.
Not a real big deal, but would have been much easier if I'd had a tool kit
with me. Because of that I plan to have enough tie wraps to replace the
seat should it become necessary. They weight next to nothing and don't take
up much space.
When is that wind going to stop blowing?
Deke
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit
>
> Jeez, Deke, I hadn't heard you were switching to Jabiru power. : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Status: flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Apr 21, 2009, at 8:18 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
>> There was one time when I wish I would have had this tool kit and I
>> suspect that there will be another time one day and I want to be
>> prepared
>>
>> Deke
>
>
>
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To Lynn and Noel. Good one. Already added to my list!
Thanks
do not archive
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit
>
> Taking that thought a step further, how about a length of rib lacing
> cord? It's already got the wax impregnated in it. I used it to bundle
> some of the wires in my plane, so if I forgot to take it along with
> me, I could just rob some from the plane and not tell the FAA that
> I've now got some wires dangling. : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Status: flying
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 21, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
>> Scrap the tie wraps and put in a small length of string... nylon
>> would be good.... You will be able to use the string for
>> everything to holding up shelters to tourniquets if necessary. You
>> w0uld even be able to stitch up a wing with it if you had to. Your
>> leatherman could make the holes wax from a candle would make the
>> end of the string stiff enough to push through the holes and the
>> tape would seal the repair until you get home. String can also be
>> used to do just about anything tie wraps can do only more.
>>
>> Noel
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Charging system trouble shooting |
>
> When I first flip in the Master I usually have 12.5 to 13 volts indicated
> and it never gets any higher then that. Does this mean that there is no
> charging going on at all? I wouldn't doubt it.
> Thanks again.
> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
> Just about ready to take my check ride.
With engine running you should be getting somewhere around 14.5v at the
battery. If not you have a charging problem. Recheck your regulator wiring
before you start tearing things apart.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
"The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
- Joseph Joubert
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6 pack of Miller Light
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My plane came with a three blade GSC. I had problems getting the three
blades pitched the same... I expect an earlier owner over torque the prop
bolts. I flew it on floats for several hours but couldn't get the pitch the
way I wanted. So after checking around I decided to go with an Ivo IFA prop
that was just a bit shorter than the GSC.
The first flight with the Ivo was fantastic in terms of smoothness! Not to
mention power handling. It was on the second or third flight with the Ivo
that I found out that my tach was reading a consistent 20% too high. This
means I never got all the power into the GSC that the engine was capable of.
I feel lucky because I really don't think that prop would have taken the
full power from the 582.
One of the things I learned from the Ivo and the GSC was the importance of
having a reasonably calibrated or corrected torque wrench. Too tight and
you compress the fibres of the prop and you may never see it. Too loose and
it will change itch and elongate the mounting bolt holes. Especially with
the Ivo the torque is quite critical and they indicate the torque should be
checked on regular bassis.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Potter
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:23 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Brake Lines
Wow, I sure didn't intend to start debate about propellors but glad I did.
I'm concerned about safety for sure, but also am concerned about long term
cost. This is my first kitplane and I'm used to certified aircraft and
props.
I I told Dave earlier I'm to going to contact GSC for advice. The prop
looks good under visual inspection. I work for the Transportation Safety
Board of Canada as an investigator and see enough accident reports that I do
not want to take a chance. If a GSC prop has an automatic 5 year expiry date
(with no hours) then I consider it a "disposable" prop, and, even though I
inherited it with the kit I bought, would not consider one again just based
on TBO.
That said, I plan to put the plane on floats in the next two years and may
need to change the prop anyways.
Cheers, and keep up the discussion!!!
Ken
--------
Ken Potter
Model II, No. 483
Rotax 582, C-Box,
98% Complete
C-FJKP (marks reserved)
Lanark, Ontario
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Check out this from the GSC site:
http://www.ultralightprops.com/bulletins/051799_sb.pdf
Close to the bottom of the page TBO
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Potter
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:23 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Brake Lines
Wow, I sure didn't intend to start debate about propellors but glad I did.
I'm concerned about safety for sure, but also am concerned about long term
cost. This is my first kitplane and I'm used to certified aircraft and
props.
I I told Dave earlier I'm to going to contact GSC for advice. The prop
looks good under visual inspection. I work for the Transportation Safety
Board of Canada as an investigator and see enough accident reports that I do
not want to take a chance. If a GSC prop has an automatic 5 year expiry date
(with no hours) then I consider it a "disposable" prop, and, even though I
inherited it with the kit I bought, would not consider one again just based
on TBO.
That said, I plan to put the plane on floats in the next two years and may
need to change the prop anyways.
Cheers, and keep up the discussion!!!
Ken
--------
Ken Potter
Model II, No. 483
Rotax 582, C-Box,
98% Complete
C-FJKP (marks reserved)
Lanark, Ontario
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List:GSC Prop was Brake Lines |
I read somewhere that the GSC torque spec was reduced because the torque of
100 in/lb was too much. My GSC blades came loose on a trip. I bought an
IVO.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:40 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Brake Lines
>
> Check out this from the GSC site:
>
> http://www.ultralightprops.com/bulletins/051799_sb.pdf
>
> Close to the bottom of the page TBO
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Potter
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:23 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Brake Lines
>
>
> Wow, I sure didn't intend to start debate about propellors but glad I
> did.
> I'm concerned about safety for sure, but also am concerned about long
> term
> cost. This is my first kitplane and I'm used to certified aircraft and
> props.
> I I told Dave earlier I'm to going to contact GSC for advice. The prop
> looks good under visual inspection. I work for the Transportation Safety
> Board of Canada as an investigator and see enough accident reports that I
> do
> not want to take a chance. If a GSC prop has an automatic 5 year expiry
> date
> (with no hours) then I consider it a "disposable" prop, and, even though
> I
> inherited it with the kit I bought, would not consider one again just
> based
> on TBO.
>
> That said, I plan to put the plane on floats in the next two years and
> may
> need to change the prop anyways.
>
> Cheers, and keep up the discussion!!!
> Ken
>
> --------
> Ken Potter
> Model II, No. 483
> Rotax 582, C-Box,
> 98% Complete
> C-FJKP (marks reserved)
> Lanark, Ontario
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240565#240565
>
>
>
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Why didn't I think of that one???
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit
<apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
6 pack of Miller Light
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6 pack was the only tool on my list.
After drinking a 6 pack ya can't fly anyway so you don't need tools.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:21 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit
>
> Why didn't I think of that one???
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
> Christensen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:05 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit
>
> <apeterchristensen@sbcglobal.net>
>
> 6 pack of Miller Light
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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When I attended an Electrical and Avionics weekend workshop, one of
the great things I took away from there was the use of a pair of
really close cutters (available from an electronics store) that
almost eliminate that problem. They also suggested the use of
fingernail clippers to trim the tie wraps close.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Apr 21, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Great idea. Wax chord could also be used to start a fire or floss
> your
> teeth. :-) Seriously wax chord was used extensively in aircraft
> before the
> advent of nylon tie wraps. I have a beef with the tie wraps and
> that is
> when cropped if not rounded they will gash open hands reaching into an
> engine compartment tugging on things to check they are solid.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:07 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit
>
>
> Taking that thought a step further, how about a length of rib lacing
> cord? It's already got the wax impregnated in it. I used it to bundle
> some of the wires in my plane, so if I forgot to take it along with
> me, I could just rob some from the plane and not tell the FAA that
> I've now got some wires dangling. : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Status: flying
>
>
> On Apr 21, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
>> Scrap the tie wraps and put in a small length of string... nylon
>> would be good.... You will be able to use the string for
>> everything to holding up shelters to tourniquets if necessary. You
>> w0uld even be able to stitch up a wing with it if you had to. Your
>> leatherman could make the holes wax from a candle would make the
>> end of the string stiff enough to push through the holes and the
>> tape would seal the repair until you get home. String can also be
>> used to do just about anything tie wraps can do only more.
>>
>> Noel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Charging system trouble shooting |
Red flags are going up all of a sudden.
1. There is NO charging going on at the battery as is evidenced by the fact that
the voltmeter does not indicate anything different between running and not.
2. The Key West is mounted to the front of the firewall which is covered on BOTH
sides with fire retardant mats (this is where the original regulator was mounted).
So it is pretty easy to say that there is either very little or no grounding
at all between the regulator housing and the plane or battery.
So, if I were to cut away the matting behind the regulator should the firewall
provide sufficient grounding?
When I "Check the lighting coil for an open" am I checking at the yellow wires?
Can I check for this open as well as for an AC voltage at the terminals of the
regulator without having to disconnect any other wires? Hopefully this will
be as simple as doing a little cutting and then just running the engine out
in the cul de sac, it's not like my neighbors don't already think I am nuts. [Laughing]
--------
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Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
Just about ready to take my check ride.
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| Subject: | Re: Charging system trouble shooting |
Key West regulator should not be showing over 14 V, Thy will usually be 13.8 to
13.9 volts that is one of their attributes. ON a Rotax regulator you cold get
14 to 18 v , I stay away from them.
James, Have you checked your battery ?
- Fluid level -- top with distilled water and slow charge over night
- once charge put on a load test.
I assume that after you put on the key west regulator that you ran a voltage check
? You should be getting about 14 V with engine running and 12.5 to 13.2 with
engine off
Dave
Fox5flyer wrote:
>
> >
> > When I first flip in the Master I usually have 12.5 to 13 volts indicated
> > and it never gets any higher then that. Does this mean that there is no
> > charging going on at all? I wouldn't doubt it.
> > Thanks again.
> > James
> > Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
> > Just about ready to take my check ride.
> >
> >
>
> With engine running you should be getting somewhere around 14.5v at the
> battery. If not you have a charging problem. Recheck your regulator wiring
> before you start tearing things apart.
>
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but progress."
> - Joseph Joubert
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Speaking of seat security, mine is held in place by 4 hose
clamps...there used to be 8, but that seemed like overkill, so I
reduced the number.
And also speaking of seat security, I'm glad mine is held in position
so well, as the following incident will attest. I wrote this up the
other day and sent to a few folks, and I'll paste it here:
********************
I had my first "zero gravity" encounter yesterday. I had just left
the Saturday morning fly-in at a close-by field, and came back to
buzz the field. I was crankin' along pretty good....in the yellow
band (108 mph+)....and when I got within a safe distance from the
trees on the north end of the field, I yanked it back, saw nothin'
but sky, then pushed the nose down. At that point, all my charts, a
jacket, and other stuff hit the cabin roof. That was pretty cool, and
when I got it leveled out and was heading for home, I noticed that a
screwdriver that I keep on the floor of the plane was laying between
my legs on the seat. That's a pretty good display of zero gravity in
my book. Good thing I had the belts tight, and shoulder straps.
*********************
One of the guys who was at the field said later that I was angled up
at about 45 degrees, but I could have sworn it was straight up or
even over on its back. I don't intend on making a career out of doing
this sort of thing, but it's nice to know the Kitfox will hold up (?)
to such occasional outbursts of exuberance on the part of the pilot.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Apr 21, 2009, at 8:12 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> No, not yet anyway. What happened was shortly after my annual I
> failed to completely tighten one of the fittings on the header tank
> and the fuel smell made me land at the nearest airport where I had
> to borrow tools and go to town for tie wraps because it required
> removing the seat to get at the fittings. It didn't start leaking
> until midway through the second flight. Not a real big deal, but
> would have been much easier if I'd had a tool kit with me. Because
> of that I plan to have enough tie wraps to replace the seat should
> it become necessary. They weight next to nothing and don't take up
> much space.
> When is that wind going to stop blowing?
> Deke
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit
>
>
>>
>> Jeez, Deke, I hadn't heard you were switching to Jabiru power. : )
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
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A few swipes with a piece of sandpaper over the cut ends of the tie wrap
works wonders too. Problem is most people just don't take the time to do
it. Helicopter crews do it right. They pretty well go over every job with
a piece of loose cloth.. if the cloth grabs an where it is fixed so not to.
Even the cotter pins they install are done in such a way so you can wipe
them down without hooking the cloth.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit
When I attended an Electrical and Avionics weekend workshop, one of
the great things I took away from there was the use of a pair of
really close cutters (available from an electronics store) that
almost eliminate that problem. They also suggested the use of
fingernail clippers to trim the tie wraps close.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Apr 21, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Great idea. Wax chord could also be used to start a fire or floss
> your
> teeth. :-) Seriously wax chord was used extensively in aircraft
> before the
> advent of nylon tie wraps. I have a beef with the tie wraps and
> that is
> when cropped if not rounded they will gash open hands reaching into an
> engine compartment tugging on things to check they are solid.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:07 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool Kit
>
>
> Taking that thought a step further, how about a length of rib lacing
> cord? It's already got the wax impregnated in it. I used it to bundle
> some of the wires in my plane, so if I forgot to take it along with
> me, I could just rob some from the plane and not tell the FAA that
> I've now got some wires dangling. : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 632.8 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Status: flying
>
>
> On Apr 21, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
>> Scrap the tie wraps and put in a small length of string... nylon
>> would be good.... You will be able to use the string for
>> everything to holding up shelters to tourniquets if necessary. You
>> w0uld even be able to stitch up a wing with it if you had to. Your
>> leatherman could make the holes wax from a candle would make the
>> end of the string stiff enough to push through the holes and the
>> tape would seal the repair until you get home. String can also be
>> used to do just about anything tie wraps can do only more.
>>
>> Noel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Charging system trouble shooting |
> I don't really follow with what you are saying about the Key West though. The
Rotax regulator I removed had two yellow wires (no black stripe), a black, and
a red, which all wired directly to the Key West.
James, One of the alternator wires coming out of the engine that should be yellow
with black stripe, it connects to a yellow wire on the regulator. aaaaathe
other alternator wire coming out of the engine is solid yellow and connects
to another yellow wire on the regulator. if your key West has a red wire I can't
help as mine only has 3 yellow wires and one black wire.
The red wire on the old Rotax wire should have been connected to the battery.
On the Key west the Black wire should be connected to the battery.
The black wire on the old Rotax regulator should have been connected to ground.
The Key west case must be connected to ground either by a mounting screw or
attach a wire from a mounting screw to ground. The fire wall may not be the best
ground. I run my ground wire all the way back to the engine.
Your yellow wire connections should be okay as they go to the lighting coils on
both the old and new regulators.
Take a look at the wireing diagrams and the pictures of the rotax and Key west
regulators at the bottom of the article in this link again.
http://www.challengers101.com/RotaxChargeSys.html
The last wiring diagram is the Rotax regulator. The second to last diagram is
the Key West regulator. See the difference? Is this any help?
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Big Foot Rudder Mods |
That's what I've been doing. I find boating shoes tend to work the best.
I have about 70 hrs also but definitely aware of my feet and the brakes on final.
I have the older style c pedals. The other thing is the rudder cable attach
point gets in the way to. Just wondering if somebody came up with a different
design.
--------
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Rotax 912ul
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| Subject: | Re: Charging system trouble shooting |
Answer to 2 is it should make sure the metal is shiny behind the regulator.
Most regulators ground through the back of the case. Some have additional
ground wires. It's worth checking the back of the regulator every three or
four years... more often in corrosive climates.
Check the continuity of the two yellow wires from the lighting coil.
Continuity testing will not tell you if there is a short in the coil but it
will tell you if there is a full open anywhere in the coil. Yes this is the
same two wires you check for AC voltage when you run your engine.
Disconnect at least one of the yellow connections to the regulator when you
do the AC-V and continuity tests.
You won't be the first to run an engine in a Cul De Sac... try to do it when
kids are in school and everybody else is off to work. Do not try to bribe
any cops who may turn up!
Finally, laugh at the neighbours from 3000 feet.
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WurlyBird
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:19 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Charging system trouble shooting
<james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
Red flags are going up all of a sudden.
1. There is NO charging going on at the battery as is evidenced by the fact
that the voltmeter does not indicate anything different between running and
not.
2. The Key West is mounted to the front of the firewall which is covered on
BOTH sides with fire retardant mats (this is where the original regulator
was mounted). So it is pretty easy to say that there is either very little
or no grounding at all between the regulator housing and the plane or
battery.
So, if I were to cut away the matting behind the regulator should the
firewall provide sufficient grounding?
When I "Check the lighting coil for an open" am I checking at the yellow
wires? Can I check for this open as well as for an AC voltage at the
terminals of the regulator without having to disconnect any other wires?
Hopefully this will be as simple as doing a little cutting and then just
running the engine out in the cul de sac, it's not like my neighbors don't
already think I am nuts. [Laughing]
--------
James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
Just about ready to take my check ride.
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| Subject: | Re: Charging system trouble shooting |
Guaranteed any regulator that allows buss voltage to climb to 18V will only
burn up your battery or worse!
Being a fan of Murphy and O'Tooles' laws I'd expect worse...much worse!
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:22 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Charging system trouble shooting
Key West regulator should not be showing over 14 V, Thy will usually be
13.8 to 13.9 volts that is one of their attributes. ON a Rotax regulator you
cold get 14 to 18 v , I stay away from them.
James, Have you checked your battery ?
- Fluid level -- top with distilled water and slow charge over night
- once charge put on a load test.
I assume that after you put on the key west regulator that you ran a voltage
check ? You should be getting about 14 V with engine running and 12.5 to
13.2 with engine off
Dave
Fox5flyer wrote:
>
> >
> > When I first flip in the Master I usually have 12.5 to 13 volts
indicated
> > and it never gets any higher then that. Does this mean that there is
no
> > charging going on at all? I wouldn't doubt it.
> > Thanks again.
> > James
> > Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
> > Just about ready to take my check ride.
> >
> >
>
> With engine running you should be getting somewhere around 14.5v at the
> battery. If not you have a charging problem. Recheck your regulator
wiring
> before you start tearing things apart.
>
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 402+ TT
> "The aim of an argument or discussion should not be victory, but
progress."
> - Joseph Joubert
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Charging system trouble shooting |
On Tue, April 21, 2009 5:30 pm, fox5flyer wrote:
> With engine running you should be getting somewhere around 14.5v at the
> battery. If not you have a charging problem. Recheck your regulator wiring
> before you start tearing things apart.
How was it that Johnny used to interrupt ed McMahon? Whoa, lead acid breath, let's
review this.
As pointed out earlier today in a post, an hour meter (Hobbs?) wired into the system,
might prevent the regulator from working. Or make it seem like the lighting coils
were
ineffective. So, in the absence of any particular wisdom about his system, I think
it
is appropriate to first isolate it to the battery, the charging system and a simple
DC
load, like a headlamp.
Next, batteries don't have to be charged to capacity and in fact it is not at all
uncommon to have a vehicle manufacturer select a fully charged voltage of 13.6
to 13.8
volts. The batteries are thought to last longer doing so. Now, the maximum charged
voltage I've seen is 14.1 or 14.2 volts. I am under the impression that if you
set a
battery charger to maintain a voltage higher than about that, it will just boil
the
battery dry. So, what I am saying is, are you sure it's OK to see an applied voltage
that is sustained of 14.5 volts at the battery? I don't have test data right at
hand,
but having it set that high might be cause for reduced battery life.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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Teddy Roosevelt wrote these instructive words in his first message
to the Congress: 'The American people are slow to wrath, but when
their wrath is once kindled, it burns like a consuming flame.' Well,
perhaps that kind of wrath will be deserved if our answer to these
serious problems is to repeat the mistakes of the past."
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working class as passive, mindless victims in desperate need of
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation |
Thanks so much for your insight. Very appreciated.
________________________________________
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of n85ae [n85ae@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 2:04 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox Control Surface Flutter Mitigation
I built and fly a Series 5 Kitfox with an IO-240B, and am most of the way
through building a CH801. Given your size, you will be VERY cramped in a Kitfox.
I am quite a bit smaller, and I find it cramped (and yes I have
the bubble doors). I can't speak for the 750, but the 801 has a LOT more
room inside.
Kit quality is the same, just different. The manuals I got for the Kitfox
were better than those for the Zenith. However the Zenith has a lot of
good drawings.
My hangar neighbors have a Murphy Moose, they complain just as much
about the Murphy kit as do I about Zenith, or previously the Kitfox. So
I would say - They're all about the same with regard to building. The
kits are all ok, but none of them are perfect.
The Zenith IS a draggy plane, BUT it is probably less affected by weight
than the Kitfox. The Kitfox flies great light, but the wing is NOT a load
hauler. So they are different flyers. The Zenith will take off shorter, and
land shorter than a Kitfox, but it won't go as fast. I really hate to say it,
but I really don't think of the Kitfox as being STOL. I think of it as being
a pretty straight forward tube and fabric high wing taildragger. I've been
flying it for almost 7 years now, so I think my opinion is pretty well
formed.
Light weight, solo, the Kitfox gets of the ground really fast. But put two
in it, and it's just another airplane.
I think if you want to haul a load, and get in and out of small places
and aren't worried about cruise speed (or looks). The 750 & 801 are
better planes than the Kitfox. If most of your flying is solo, and you
like flying in and out of grass strips, etc. The Kitfox is the plane.
If you weigh 260, I'd seriously look at the Zenith's. The Kitfox is very
small inside.
I like both planes, they are different. I definetly would not say one is
better than the other.
Regards,
Jeff
> Jeff, what are you impressions of both? Which models did you own?
>
> The reason why I'm very much interested in the 750 is because I am a large guy
(6'5 , 260lbs) and the bubble doors appealed to me. Also, I was interested in
using an O-200 but still having a good useful load.
>
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