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2. 05:47 AM - Re: Making tape stick (Lynn Matteson)
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4. 12:51 PM - AC 43.13-1b cancelled - replacement in 14 files. (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
5. 08:08 PM - Propeller failure - 1949 account of frightful event (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
6. 09:22 PM - Re: Propeller failure - 1949 account of frightful event (Lynn Matteson)
7. 10:39 PM - Re: Propeller failure - 1949 account of frightful event (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
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| Subject: | Re: Making tape stick |
Lynn,
Thanks for the excellent advice !! I will try the heat and cloth
method !
Right now I am at my cabin in the NC mountains driving my Triumph
TR3B through the curves ! What a blast !! Won't be dealing with my Fox fo
r a
month or more
The Internet over the phone lines up here in the mountains is a dismal
21
k. Boy is it slow ! No other way though. Don't believe I will be writing
much.
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| Subject: | Re: Making tape stick |
Watch out for those mountain curves, Dick....sounds like a blast,
alright!
Lynn
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On May 1, 2009, at 6:47 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
> Lynn,
> Thanks for the excellent advice !! I will try the heat and
> cloth method !
> Right now I am at my cabin in the NC mountains driving my
> Triumph TR3B through the curves ! What a blast !! Won't be dealing
> with my Fox for a month or more
> The Internet over the phone lines up here in the mountains is a
> dismal 21 k. Boy is it slow ! No other way though. Don't believe I
> will be writing much.
> Dick Maddux
> Bryson City, NC
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rc Allen Turn Coordinator Install |
I looked around for current specs on your particular T/B but could find
nothing. However, it is a relatively modern one, which means it is
probably very efficient. Even my noisy old T/B draws only 1/4 amp.
Therefore I would advise using a 2A circuit breaker and either 22 or 20
gauge wire.
AC43-13V requires some interpretation and it certainly doesn't tell
anyone how much current your T/B uses. However, it's the Bible. You will
find table 11-3 is most useful. The AC can be downloaded from
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.ns
f/key/AC%2043.13-1B
(One very common misconception is that a CB should be rated to for the
expected load. This is not right. But because of the misconception, some
guys will go through all kinds of trouble to find a 1.5-amp circuit
breaker for a piece of equipment that has a nameplate rating of 1.5 amps
when they're actually using a wire capable of carrying 10 amps. In
actuality, the CB should simply be sized to the wire gauge. This is
because a CB is meant to protect the wire, not the equipment. If the
equipment is going to smoke, a CB won't stop it.)
Mike Perkins
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| Subject: | AC 43.13-1b cancelled - replacement in 14 files. |
On Fri, May 1, 2009 6:57 am, Perkins, Mike wrote:
> AC43-13V requires some interpretation and it certainly doesn't tell
> anyone how much current your T/B uses. However, it's the Bible. You will
> find table 11-3 is most useful. The AC can be downloaded from
> http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.ns
> f/key/AC%2043.13-1B
Mike, going to that link does give you access to the entire 43.13-1B as a handy
.PDF
as a single file but it says on the page "This AC has been Cancelled." and directs
you
to the search page. I did that and I found this results page;
<http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet>
I then selected this page;
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument&Highlight=43.13>
Which claims to be the replacement. However, you now have to d/l 14 documents to
get
it all. So, maybe just using the 1998 version (now obsolete) which is:
<http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/8ce3f88c034ae31a85256981007848e7/ccfe0d58d41d2c8086256a55006c6b67/$FILE/AC43.13-1b.pdf>
is good enough since you get it all in a single file.
> (One very common misconception is that a CB should be rated to for the
> expected load. This is not right.
clip clip
> This is
> because a CB is meant to protect the wire, not the equipment. If the
> equipment is going to smoke, a CB won't stop it.)
Well said Mike. Same rule applies to your house too. Breaker and fuses aresized
to
protect the wiring which is concealed.
It looks like they still use the same table notation in Chap 11.
<http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99c827db9baac81b86256b4500596c4e/$FILE/Chapter%2011.pdf>
Which is 125 pages long. Table 11-3 is on page 11-15 and shows for 20 ga wire you
need
a 7.5 amp breaker and for 22 ga wire you need a 5 amp breaker and for both wire
sizes
a 5 amp fuse is the one. That's bigger than what you stated.
I'm laying out my wiring now and I'm not very confident that I'm not making mistakes.
I sure don't like the idea that the master contactor has to draw current to stay
on.
Seem like some kind of over-centering spring switch could be utilized so it stays
on
or off without drawing power would be a better choice since I really have to conserve
power.
It also seems ridiculous the cost of some of the stuff like the Whelen strobes.But
that is the subject for another post.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
425.440.9505 Office
What have we learned in 2,063 years??
"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt
should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and
controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome
become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public
assistance."
-- Cicero, ca. 55 BC
So, evidently nothing..
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
~~Margaret Thatcher~~
"Maybe we have it all backwards. Here's the basic story President Obama
wants to tell. The last eight years were an economic disaster because
President Bush and the Republicans ignored necessary government
regulations and 'investments.' The economic crisis has discredited
'market fundamentalism,' as some liberals call it. Now, thanks to
Bush's hands-off approach to the economy, Obama has no choice but to
get government much more involved. ... Indeed, Obama doesn't feel
compelled to merely remedy the mistakes of his predecessor; he believes
it is vital that we renew the New Deal-style economic policies we
strayed from when Ronald Reagan was elected. ... What if they're
looking at the economy through the wrong end of the telescope? For
starters, Bush was hardly a laissez-faire president who ignored Obama's
oft-stated domestic priorities. Sure, Bush was more laissez-faire than
Obama. But that's not a very high bar. Education spending under Bush
rose 58 percent faster than inflation. Medicare spending, thanks
largely to Bush's prescription drug benefit (the largest expansion in
entitlements since the Great Society), went up 51 percent during the
Bush years. Spending on health research and regulation rose 55 percent.
Spending on highways and mass transit went up by 22 percent. Maybe
that's too little in Obama's eyes, but it hardly validates Obama's
fictions about the last eight years."
-- National Review Editor Jonah Goldberg
"The fact is, we'll never build a lasting economic recovery by going
deeper into debt at a faster rate than we ever have before."
--Ronald Reagan
"When a business or an individual spends more than it makes, it goes
bankrupt. When government does it, it sends you the bill. And when
government does it for 40 years, the bill comes in two ways: higher
taxes and inflation. Make no mistake about it, inflation is a tax and
not by accident."
-- Ronald Reagan
Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short
phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And
if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-- Ronald Reagan (1986)
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| Subject: | Propeller failure - 1949 account of frightful event |
A couple weeks ago, the current thread of interest was propeller failure. I had
recalled the story of what I thought was a wood prop failure on nearly new aircraft
owned my uncle Victor R Franz with a mailing address of Ritzville WA but
actually residing on a farm in the Warden Lind area very close to Shrag WA which
has a railroad siding and wheat elevators about half a mile from what is now
I-90, but on the track of former US-10. The photos and memory of this significant
event are still vivid in my mind even though this even occurred when I was
not quite 4 years old. I was just talking to Vic via e-mail and informed me
that the prop that was replaced was not wood, but rather composite and the one
that failed in flight was an all metal one.
Vic had this to say in particular: "The propeller was a Hartzell Snap-o-matic prop
with metal blades. The original blade used on this type prop were composite.
I was surpised when the prop showed up with metal blades. This heavier metal
blades probably contributed to the hub failure. The Whole propeller hangs on
the wall in the farm shop."
Vic and his wife have been active members of Washington Flying farmers for about
60 years now and the following is an account of this accident that happened
about 10 miles or so from where I grew up on a farm in Othello WA. "Al" is mentioned
in the article. That is my father. I have attached two composite photos,
each with 4 scans on them. They are pretty big so if you have a modem connection
you might act accordingly.
MEMORIES STILL VIVID AFTER FIFTY YEARS!
by Vic and Phyllis Franz, Washington Flying Farmers
Even after fifty years, Vic Franz and his cousin Earl Franz are not likely to forget
what happened to them on October 16, 1949. For them, the memories of what
transpired that day during their flight in Eastern Washington are as vivid as
if they happened yesterday.
The Sunday was one of those cloudless bright autumn days just perfect for flying.
After attending the morning worship service, Vic and Earl made plans to enjoy
an afternoon flight. Vic, a pilot with 532 hours, was anxious to show Earl
what his plane, a 1948 Luscombe Sedan, Model 11A, could do with its new propeller
that had been installed just two months earlier. Flying was Vic's passion
and this was the fourth airplane he had owned since he began to learn to fly
at the Lind airport. His check ride for his private pilot's license had been
given to him by Opal Hicks three years earlier in November, 1946.
Vic had purchased his new Luscombe, paying $6,995 for it, in August, 1948. About
a year later, in a quest for more speed, he had the Hartzell Snap-O-Matic prop
with metal blades installed on the four passenger plane at Wallace Aviation
in Spokane. The day the installation was checked out and approved, it was not
necessary that every Civil Aeronautics Administration inspector in the Spokane
office fly in the plane, but they did out of curiosity and interest.
Vic took off from his farm strip west of Ritzville and quickly made the short flight
into the Ruff area where his cousin lived. After Vic landed in the wheat
stubble field near Earl's home, Earl hopped in and off they flew south to the
picturesque but rugged scab rock country northwest of Othello.
Soon they were over the farm strip of John Para, a fellow Flying Farmer friend
of Vic's. Vic "buzzed" the strip and pulled up in a steep climb. After leveling
off at around 800 feet, Vic shifted the propeller into high pitch....and
suddenly there was a violent vibration and for a moment it seemed as if the plane
was hanging in mid-air...then silence. Vic had no way of knowing exactly
what had happened, but he was sure the plane's whole engine had been torn away.
Ironically, earlier, Vic and Earl had discussed what Earl should do if they had
an engine failure. Vic had told Earl he should climb into the back seat to protect
himself. With this is mind, Vic started to tell Earl to climb into the
back and then immediately, Vic changed his mind and told Earl to remain in
his front seat to help stabilize the plane.
With his mind racing, Vic thought about a family that had recently died in an airplane
accident in the Ritzville area. Vic was sure that he and Earl were going
to die also and yet he wasn't afraid of dying. Earl also had the same feeling,
he was not afraid of the thought of death but he was terrified at the thought
of a plane crash!
Not panicking, Vic automatically put his piloting skills and knowledge of flight
to use and put the control wheel all the way forward. The plane handled well
with not much forward speed but enough to maintain flight. Vic did not have
much control over his choice of where to land and made some quick decisions in
the two or three minutes he had to guide the gliding plane own. With the
plane headed directly into a bluff, Vic made a ninety degree turn and in the remaining
few seconds, he realized the fence posts along the road where he was
going to land were too high to pass under the wings
so he landed the plane in the adjacent field. As he was making the turn to land
the tail went down even with full forward pressure on the controls and as a
result Vic made the best three point landing he had ever made with that airplane.
Vic and Earl can not remember what they said to each other after they were safely
on the ground. Surely, they each uttered their own prayer of thankfulness
as they walked to the front of the Luscombe and found the whole engine gone!
A short time later, a young couple happened by on the country road and gave them
a ride into Othello where Vic phoned his brother Walter to come pick them up.
Sleep did not come easily that night, as the incidents of the accident flooded
Vic's mind. He then remembered that he had been smoking a cigarette when
the engine tore loose. Wondering what he had done with the lit Camel, he felt
his fingers. They were blistered; automatically he had snuffed the cigarette
out in his hand.
John Klettke, in his Stinson Station-Wagon, flew Vic over the terrain the next
day and they located the engine in a rocky field about a mile from the location
of the airplane. A few days later, Vic took an inspector from the Spokane CAA
office to see the plane and engine. Later, personnel from the Seattle office
also visited the accident sites. It is interesting to note that a CAA Airworthiness
Directive on Hartzell Propellers was issued the next month, November
28, 1949!
Vic had to finish the fall seeding before he could get a truck and bring the plane
back to the farm. With the help of his hired man, he removed the wings and
loaded them and the engine on the truck and towed the plane home. Within a
few weeks, he purchased a J3 Cub so he could get back into the air and also to
use it as a spray plane. The next spring, Vic hauled the Luscombe to Spokane
and traded it in on a metal wing Cessna 170A. It was a thrilling day when he
took delivery of 9553A at the Cessna factory in Wichita, Kansas. About fours
years later, after his brother Al had started farming in the Othello area, Al
heard about a sheep herder that had found a piece of a prop. Sure enough, it
was the blade that left the plane with the failed hub. The two pieces were reunited
and now hang together in the farm shop.
After reading an article about the Luscombe Sedan in the January 1989 AOPA magazine
and also one in the Private Pilot magazine, a lot of curiosity was sparked
in Vic as to what had happened to Luscombe 1615B. He located it in the FAA
Aircraft Registry and contacted the owner, Charles M. Bratton of Kaufman, Texas.
Charles was delighted to hear from Vic, the original owner of his restored
Luscombe. He said the plane's logbook recorded that the plane had had a new
firewall installed but he did not know
the engine had been torn off. However, Charles had wondered about the dent on
the front corner of the fuselage. Vic sent him a copy of the original Bill of
Sale/Application of Registration of the Luscombe and Charles sent Vic a photo
of the plane.
Later while traveling in Texas, Earl was able to visit Charles and see Luscombe
1615B. When Earl sat in the plane....the whole hallowing experience once again
tumbled through his mind.
What happened to Vic and Earl that Sunday afternoon could have abruptly ended their
young lives. But fortunately the story has a happy ending. Each young man
got married, raised a family, were successful farmers and an asset to the community,
and now is enjoying his grandchildren and retirement. Vic went on to
fly another forty years, owning a total of twelve different airplanes. His
interest in flying was passed on to his family with his wife, Phyllis, and two
sons, Randy and Curt, all obtaining their pilot's licenses. Now his grandson,
Peter, has soloed. Vic's love of flying took him on flights over much of Canada
and the United States. He also flew into Mexico thirteen times and to Central
America twice. Many of these trips were to take part in Flying Farmer conventions
or tours. Vic was the 1984-1985 International Flying Farmer president.
Harry Blunt, a former Alaska bush pilot friend of Vic's, after hearing about the
incident told Vic that since he had survived this accident, he would always be
safe while flying from then on. This proved to be true and Vic also has an unique
flying story to share with other pilots.
--------
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
425.440.9505 Office
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller failure - 1949 account of frightful event |
So we can now take the wooden propellor off the dangerous list, and
put it in the category of things that are safe, but have gotten a bad
rap. Good story...scary for the fliers, of course. I hope hearing
this clarification will allow you to put the fears to rest, Paul, as
there are thousands of wood props out there, and people fly behind
them every day...I do.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 635.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On May 1, 2009, at 11:07 PM, Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote:
> <paul@eucleides.com>
>
> A couple weeks ago, the current thread of interest was propeller
> failure. I had
> recalled the story of what I thought was a wood prop failure on
> nearly new aircraft owned my uncle Victor R Franz with a mailing
> address of Ritzville WA but actually residing on a farm in the
> Warden Lind area very close to Shrag WA which has a railroad siding
> and wheat elevators about half a mile from what is now I-90, but on
> the track of former US-10. The photos and memory of this
> significant event are still vivid in my mind even though this even
> occurred when I was not quite 4 years old. I was just talking to
> Vic via e-mail and informed me that the prop that was replaced was
> not wood, but rather composite and the one that failed in flight
> was an all metal one.
>
> Vic had this to say in particular: "The propeller was a Hartzell
> Snap-o-matic prop with metal blades. The original blade used on
> this type prop were composite. I was surpised when the prop showed
> up with metal blades. This heavier metal blades probably
> contributed to the hub failure. The Whole propeller hangs on the
> wall in the farm shop."
>
> Vic and his wife have been active members of Washington Flying
> farmers for about 60 years now and the following is an account of
> this accident that happened about 10 miles or so from where I grew
> up on a farm in Othello WA. "Al" is mentioned in the article. That
> is my father. I have attached two composite photos, each with 4
> scans on them. They are pretty big so if you have a modem
> connection you might act accordingly.
>
> MEMORIES STILL VIVID AFTER FIFTY YEARS!
>
> by Vic and Phyllis Franz, Washington Flying Farmers
>
> Even after fifty years, Vic Franz and his cousin Earl Franz are not
> likely to forget what happened to them on October 16, 1949. For
> them, the memories of what transpired that day during their flight
> in Eastern Washington are as vivid as if they happened yesterday.
>
> The Sunday was one of those cloudless bright autumn days just
> perfect for flying. After attending the morning worship service,
> Vic and Earl made plans to enjoy an afternoon flight. Vic, a pilot
> with 532 hours, was anxious to show Earl what his plane, a 1948
> Luscombe Sedan, Model 11A, could do with its new propeller that had
> been installed just two months earlier. Flying was Vic's passion
> and this was the fourth airplane he had owned since he began to
> learn to fly at the Lind airport. His check ride for his private
> pilot's license had been given to him by Opal Hicks three years
> earlier in November, 1946.
>
> Vic had purchased his new Luscombe, paying $6,995 for it, in
> August, 1948. About a year later, in a quest for more speed, he
> had the Hartzell Snap-O-Matic prop with metal blades installed on
> the four passenger plane at Wallace Aviation in Spokane. The day
> the installation was checked out and approved, it was not necessary
> that every Civil Aeronautics Administration inspector in the
> Spokane office fly in the plane, but they did out of curiosity and
> interest.
>
> Vic took off from his farm strip west of Ritzville and quickly made
> the short flight into the Ruff area where his cousin lived. After
> Vic landed in the wheat stubble field near Earl's home, Earl hopped
> in and off they flew south to the picturesque but rugged scab rock
> country northwest of Othello.
>
> Soon they were over the farm strip of John Para, a fellow Flying
> Farmer friend of Vic's. Vic "buzzed" the strip and pulled up in a
> steep climb. After leveling off at around 800 feet, Vic shifted
> the propeller into high pitch....and suddenly there was a violent
> vibration and for a moment it seemed as if the plane was hanging in
> mid-air...then silence. Vic had no way of knowing exactly what had
> happened, but he was sure the plane's whole engine had been torn away.
>
> Ironically, earlier, Vic and Earl had discussed what Earl should do
> if they had an engine failure. Vic had told Earl he should climb
> into the back seat to protect himself. With this is mind, Vic
> started to tell Earl to climb into the back and then immediately,
> Vic changed his mind and told Earl to remain in his front seat to
> help stabilize the plane.
>
> With his mind racing, Vic thought about a family that had recently
> died in an airplane accident in the Ritzville area. Vic was sure
> that he and Earl were going to die also and yet he wasn't afraid of
> dying. Earl also had the same feeling, he was not afraid of the
> thought of death but he was terrified at the thought of a plane crash!
>
> Not panicking, Vic automatically put his piloting skills and
> knowledge of flight to use and put the control wheel all the way
> forward. The plane handled well with not much forward speed but
> enough to maintain flight. Vic did not have much control over his
> choice of where to land and made some quick decisions in the two
> or three minutes he had to guide the gliding plane own. With the
> plane headed directly into a bluff, Vic made a ninety degree turn
> and in the remaining few seconds, he realized the fence posts along
> the road where he was going to land were too high to pass under the
> wings
> so he landed the plane in the adjacent field. As he was making the
> turn to land the tail went down even with full forward pressure on
> the controls and as a result Vic made the best three point landing
> he had ever made with that airplane.
>
> Vic and Earl can not remember what they said to each other after
> they were safely on the ground. Surely, they each uttered their
> own prayer of thankfulness as they walked to the front of the
> Luscombe and found the whole engine gone!
>
> A short time later, a young couple happened by on the country road
> and gave them a ride into Othello where Vic phoned his brother
> Walter to come pick them up. Sleep did not come easily that night,
> as the incidents of the accident flooded Vic's mind. He then
> remembered that he had been smoking a cigarette when the engine
> tore loose. Wondering what he had done with the lit Camel, he
> felt his fingers. They were blistered; automatically he had
> snuffed the cigarette out in his hand.
>
> John Klettke, in his Stinson Station-Wagon, flew Vic over the
> terrain the next day and they located the engine in a rocky field
> about a mile from the location of the airplane. A few days later,
> Vic took an inspector from the Spokane CAA office to see the plane
> and engine. Later, personnel from the Seattle office also visited
> the accident sites. It is interesting to note that a CAA
> Airworthiness Directive on Hartzell Propellers was issued the next
> month, November 28, 1949!
>
> Vic had to finish the fall seeding before he could get a truck and
> bring the plane back to the farm. With the help of his hired man,
> he removed the wings and loaded them and the engine on the truck
> and towed the plane home. Within a few weeks, he purchased a J3
> Cub so he could get back into the air and also to use it as a spray
> plane. The next spring, Vic hauled the Luscombe to Spokane and
> traded it in on a metal wing Cessna 170A. It was a thrilling day
> when he took delivery of 9553A at the Cessna factory in Wichita,
> Kansas. About fours years later, after his brother Al had started
> farming in the Othello area, Al heard about a sheep herder that had
> found a piece of a prop. Sure enough, it was the blade that left
> the plane with the failed hub. The two pieces were reunited and
> now hang together in the farm shop.
>
> After reading an article about the Luscombe Sedan in the January
> 1989 AOPA magazine and also one in the Private Pilot magazine, a
> lot of curiosity was sparked in Vic as to what had happened to
> Luscombe 1615B. He located it in the FAA Aircraft Registry and
> contacted the owner, Charles M. Bratton of Kaufman, Texas. Charles
> was delighted to hear from Vic, the original owner of his restored
> Luscombe. He said the plane's logbook recorded that the plane had
> had a new firewall installed but he did not know
> the engine had been torn off. However, Charles had wondered about
> the dent on the front corner of the fuselage. Vic sent him a copy
> of the original Bill of Sale/Application of Registration of the
> Luscombe and Charles sent Vic a photo of the plane.
>
> Later while traveling in Texas, Earl was able to visit Charles and
> see Luscombe 1615B. When Earl sat in the plane....the whole
> hallowing experience once again tumbled through his mind.
>
> What happened to Vic and Earl that Sunday afternoon could have
> abruptly ended their young lives. But fortunately the story has a
> happy ending. Each young man got married, raised a family, were
> successful farmers and an asset to the community, and now is
> enjoying his grandchildren and retirement. Vic went on to fly
> another forty years, owning a total of twelve different airplanes.
> His interest in flying was passed on to his family with his wife,
> Phyllis, and two sons, Randy and Curt, all obtaining their pilot's
> licenses. Now his grandson, Peter, has soloed. Vic's love of
> flying took him on flights over much of Canada and the United
> States. He also flew into Mexico thirteen times and to Central
> America twice. Many of these trips were to take part in Flying
> Farmer conventions or tours. Vic was the 1984-1985 International
> Flying Farmer president.
>
> Harry Blunt, a former Alaska bush pilot friend of Vic's, after
> hearing about the
> incident told Vic that since he had survived this accident, he
> would always be safe while flying from then on. This proved to be
> true and Vic also has an unique flying story to share with other
> pilots.
>
> --------
> Paul A. Franz, P.E.
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
> 425.440.9505 Office
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242370#242370
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/luscombe_sedan_1_129.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/luscombe_sedan_176.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller failure - 1949 account of frightful event |
On Fri, May 1, 2009 9:21 pm, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> So we can now take the wooden propellor off the dangerous list, and
> put it in the category of things that are safe, but have gotten a bad
> rap. Good story...scary for the fliers, of course. I hope hearing
> this clarification will allow you to put the fears to rest, Paul, as
> there are thousands of wood props out there, and people fly behind
> them every day...I do.
I don't have any preconceived notions about wood propellers but I do see a couple
of
drawbacks. I believe they are more vulnerable to damage when used on the water
such as
with a plane on floats and no one can dispute that wood can shrink and swell and
rot
with the presence of water and weather. Users have pointed out that it's easy to
over-torque the bolts as they only need 100 in-lbs of torque and that is something
you
can easily overshoot pulling the wrench with just a little pinky. I'm not shopping
for
a wooden propeller either because I don't think I could ever keep one dry all the
time. I fly in the rain, and sometimes have to park and tie down an airplane where
it
is going to get exposed to the elements while on a trip or just waiting for weather
to
clear. So, I don't think I would score well in the care and use of a wooden propeller.
I also want a constant speed propeller or at least a cockpit adjustable one and
I'm
not aware of any that use wooden blades. That might not be the case, just that
I don't
know of any. And Lynn, since you've made an engine choice where the manufacturer
mandates a wood prop, you're locked in. Since you hangar the airplane all the time
and
keep that propeller dry even on trips, you're used to whatever accommodation it
requires. Your locale and your willingness to give proper care make the use of
a wood
prop more suitable for you than for me.
In the case of my Uncle Vic's propeller, the original factory prop was a composite
and
it is not the one that failed. He ordered a newly designed Hartzell which was either
a
fully pitch adjustable in-flight propeller or a two speed deal. The upgrade used
all
metal blades and it is thought that the all-metal heavier blades were the cause
of the
hub failure. The details of this propeller aren't clear to me. I believe the original
composite propeller was a wood composite rather than the modern day carbon fiber
plastic composites. The original factory propeller was not the one that failed.
In
another photo of that airplane before that fateful Sunday afternoon it looks like
a
wood prop to me.
Unfortunately when I did the posting on the forum interface, I posted the original
scans my uncle Vic sent me rather than the rotated and resized ones. I have attached
the little buggers to this e-mail.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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hour? That 150 lawyers should do business together ought not to be
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All of them presented in the Library of Congress
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high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
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posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
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- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller failure - 1949 account of frightful event |
Wow, amazing they weren't hurt. So this brings up a question I have not yet tackled.
My father and I are in the finishing stages of our Kitfox IV build and just
recently were discussing if anyone was securing the engine to the frame by
cable. He seems to remember discussions of it in the past. Just wondering if
any one has done this?
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Chris Wehner
Tulsa, Oklahoma
Kitfox IV, 912, Final push for completion!
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