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1. 03:59 AM - Re: attaching wing wiring (bob noffs)
2. 06:58 AM - Re: attaching wing wiring (Tom Jones)
3. 07:43 AM - Re: attaching wing wiring (Lowell Fitt)
4. 08:52 AM - Re: attaching wing wiring (Guy Buchanan)
5. 08:53 AM - Re: attaching wing wiring (bob noffs)
6. 12:12 PM - Re: Wheels (akflyer)
7. 06:07 PM - Re: Wheels (rosane beaule)
8. 06:39 PM - Re: attaching wing wiring (Noel)
9. 06:42 PM - Re: attaching wing wiring (Andy Fultz)
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| Subject: | Re: attaching wing wiring |
i am building a wood wing and need a way to fasten the wire to the wood
structure. noel, what is coraseal? where can i get it ? small plastic wire
ties would work but i dont know about their life expectancy.
bob noffs
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> I did the same thing with a length of heat shirnk where it enters and exits
> the spars. 900 hours in nine years.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:24 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: attaching wing wiring
>
>
> I ran mine down the rear spar. If there is any problems I can just tie on
>> a
>> new piece and pull it through. However I have had no issues in over 200
>> hours
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob noffs
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:23 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: attaching wing wiring
>>
>>
>>
>> hi all,
>>
>> any recommendations for ways/ materials to attach the wiring in a wing to
>> the wing structure that will last as long as the covering?wire ties seems
>> like a natural but will they last 20 yrs?
>>
>> any comments would be appreciated.
>>
>> bob noffs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: attaching wing wiring |
> i am building a wood wing and need a way to fasten the wire to the wood structure.
Adel clamps and lacing tapes. Here's the tapes at aircraft spruce, includes Koroseal.
http://aircraftspruce.com/search/search.php
AC 43.13-1b has good instructions and pictures of attaching the wire with "Offical" wrapping and knots along with the adel clamps. Electrical is Chapter 11. Wiring is in the "environmental section (section 9) It starts on page 11-51 and the lacing techniques start on page 11-159. here's chapter 11. http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99c827db9baac81b86256b4500596c4e/$FILE/Chapter%2011.pdf
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: attaching wing wiring |
Bob,
I think we were unaware of your wing when we all gave our advice. I
recently strung the wires for trim and aft position lights up the fuselage.
I used wire lacing tape spaced about every three inches along the stringer.
It can also be used where there is no attachment to a structure to bind the
bundle together for strength. Do a google search on lacing tape. There are
numerous sources. I used a "clove hitch" knot with a square knot to secure
it. The material is very light, wax coated so the knots don't tend to
loosen while working on them and will last forever.
I drilled small holes in the stringer every nine inches or so. This way, I
could attach the wire without the wrap creating a lump under the fabric. I
don't think I would be drilling any holes in a wing structure, though. If
there aren't internal structures you can tie to, you might try what the
Lancair guy did stringing his wiring. he got those flat adhesive backed zip
tie attachments available at Home Depot, etc. He ground off the adhesive,
drilled several holes through them for a mechanical lock and glued them to
the fuselage or wing skin with structural adhesive, then used the lacing
tape. Not as light as lacing tape alone, but strong and long lasting
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "bob noffs" <icubob@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 3:58 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: attaching wing wiring
>i am building a wood wing and need a way to fasten the wire to the wood
> structure. noel, what is coraseal? where can i get it ? small plastic wire
> ties would work but i dont know about their life expectancy.
> bob noffs
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I did the same thing with a length of heat shirnk where it enters and
>> exits
>> the spars. 900 hours in nine years.
>>
>> Lowell
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:24 PM
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: attaching wing wiring
>>
>>
>> I ran mine down the rear spar. If there is any problems I can just tie
>> on
>>> a
>>> new piece and pull it through. However I have had no issues in over
>>> 200
>>> hours
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _____
>>>
>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob noffs
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:23 PM
>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: attaching wing wiring
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> hi all,
>>>
>>> any recommendations for ways/ materials to attach the wiring in a wing
>>> to
>>> the wing structure that will last as long as the covering?wire ties
>>> seems
>>> like a natural but will they last 20 yrs?
>>>
>>> any comments would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> bob noffs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: attaching wing wiring |
At 03:58 AM 5/6/2009, you wrote:
>i am building a wood wing and need a way to fasten the wire to the
>wood structure.
When I was designing / building boats and masts, we never fixed wires
or hoses to structure in such a way that it would be difficult to
replace later. There are several techniques available to minimize
slop while still leaving the installations replaceable.
1. For straight runs you can run a tension wire to which the
electrical wire or hoses are affixed at intervals. They are attached
so they will not translate, but will slide. That way new wires can be
slid on while the old is slid off. This would work well in either
wing spar of a Kitfox wing.
2. For crooked runs we often used conduit, which restricts lateral
movement while allowing replacement.
3. If you are careful you can use bulls-eyes at intervals, but you
have to be really careful that things don't get hung up when pulling
new hardware. The eyes have to be placed so the pulled hardware runs
naturally from one to the next. You also have to be careful that the
bulls-eyes won't chafe through the wire or hose over time.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 300 hrs. and counting
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| Subject: | Re: attaching wing wiring |
i think the lacing tape is just what i need. i have plenty of ''geodetics''
in the ribs to attach to. thanks to all who helped on this one. bob noffs
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> I think we were unaware of your wing when we all gave our advice. I
> recently strung the wires for trim and aft position lights up the fuselage.
> I used wire lacing tape spaced about every three inches along the stringer.
> It can also be used where there is no attachment to a structure to bind the
> bundle together for strength. Do a google search on lacing tape. There are
> numerous sources. I used a "clove hitch" knot with a square knot to secure
> it. The material is very light, wax coated so the knots don't tend to
> loosen while working on them and will last forever.
>
> I drilled small holes in the stringer every nine inches or so. This way, I
> could attach the wire without the wrap creating a lump under the fabric. I
> don't think I would be drilling any holes in a wing structure, though. If
> there aren't internal structures you can tie to, you might try what the
> Lancair guy did stringing his wiring. he got those flat adhesive backed zip
> tie attachments available at Home Depot, etc. He ground off the adhesive,
> drilled several holes through them for a mechanical lock and glued them to
> the fuselage or wing skin with structural adhesive, then used the lacing
> tape. Not as light as lacing tape alone, but strong and long lasting
>
> Lowell
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob noffs" <icubob@gmail.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 3:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: attaching wing wiring
>
>
> i am building a wood wing and need a way to fasten the wire to the wood
>> structure. noel, what is coraseal? where can i get it ? small plastic wire
>> ties would work but i dont know about their life expectancy.
>> bob noffs
>>
>> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I did the same thing with a length of heat shirnk where it enters and
>>> exits
>>> the spars. 900 hours in nine years.
>>>
>>> Lowell
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:24 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: attaching wing wiring
>>>
>>>
>>> I ran mine down the rear spar. If there is any problems I can just tie
>>> on
>>>
>>>> a
>>>> new piece and pull it through. However I have had no issues in over
>>>> 200
>>>> hours
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _____
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob noffs
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:23 PM
>>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: attaching wing wiring
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hi all,
>>>>
>>>> any recommendations for ways/ materials to attach the wiring in a wing
>>>> to
>>>> the wing structure that will last as long as the covering?wire ties
>>>> seems
>>>> like a natural but will they last 20 yrs?
>>>>
>>>> any comments would be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> bob noffs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Leonard,
>
> I wonder if $100 would do it. I have often thought of how I would do it.
>
> > From what I have experienced with the wheels supplied by Denney and later
> > Skystar, these are precision units. Clunky, Yes, but precision
> >
>
> never-the-less. The rotor fits snugly and the holes line up in any rotor
> postion - and most importantly the rotor spins true.
>
> Quick and dirty would give very poor rotor alignment unless you had the
> already shaped and drilled tabs in stock that could be jigged and welded.
> This, of course means you would either have to fabricate the jigs or have
> them on hand. All this costs. Let's see - fabricate six lugs, drill and
> tap them, position them precisely, weld in place, check for accuracy -
> start over again.
>
> I agree that $400 is a lot of money, but we are talking here of a production
> run of two. I would love to see the $100 wheels.
>
> Lowell
>
> ---
We build entire pipe systems everyday that bolt in and fit with 0 tolerance, a
brake rotor is not a huge undertaking. I guess I am just a get it done guy and
don't spend alot of time analyzing every thing that could go wrong. I just
roll my sleeves and get'er done. No need for me to put things on paper or look
at it a hundred ways from sunday 99% of the time, just get an idea and run
with it.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1260
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242948#242948
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I have a set of wheels with the lugs already welded on and the turf
tires for sale.
Contact me off list if interested : rob10@tlb.sympatico.ca
Jack-Classic-1V-1200
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| Subject: | attaching wing wiring |
My bad, it's called Koroseal Lacing. something like an elastic tie wrap. I
think it's available from Leavens In Canada or Aviall south of the 49th. It
can be used to protect parts to bind wires to structure. It's a bit on the
expensive side for bundling wires. For that I like wax cord. Someone said
dental floss would work as well for bundling and I think they're right.
Properly used it looks a lot better then nylon and there is no chance of the
stuff ever rubbing through insulation on a wire.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob noffs
Sent: 06 May 2009 08:28 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: attaching wing wiring
i am building a wood wing and need a way to fasten the wire to the wood
structure. noel, what is coraseal? where can i get it ? small plastic wire
ties would work but i dont know about their life expectancy.
bob noffs
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I did the same thing with a length of heat shirnk where it enters and exits
the spars. 900 hours in nine years.
Lowell
----- Original Message ----- From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: attaching wing wiring
I ran mine down the rear spar. If there is any problems I can just tie on a
new piece and pull it through. However I have had no issues in over 200
hours
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob noffs
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:23 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: attaching wing wiring
hi all,
any recommendations for ways/ materials to attach the wiring in a wing to
the wing structure that will last as long as the covering?wire ties seems
like a natural but will they last 20 yrs?
any comments would be appreciated.
bob noffs
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| Subject: | attaching wing wiring |
A diameter just, large enough for your wiring, of plastic tubing from your
local hardware store will make a good conduit for your wiring. Secure it to
the wood structure with a few wraps of rib lacing cord. Doesn't add much
weight but does add a lot of protection for the wiring.
Andy F.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of bob noffs
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:58 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: attaching wing wiring
i am building a wood wing and need a way to fasten the wire to the wood
structure. noel, what is coraseal? where can i get it ? small plastic wire
ties would work but i dont know about their life expectancy.
bob noffs
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I did the same thing with a length of heat shirnk where it enters and
exits the spars. 900 hours in nine years.
Lowell
----- Original Message ----- From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: attaching wing wiring
I ran mine down the rear spar. If there is any problems I can just
tie on a
new piece and pull it through. However I have had no issues in over
200
hours
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob noffs
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:23 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: attaching wing wiring
hi all,
any recommendations for ways/ materials to attach the wiring in a wing
to
the wing structure that will last as long as the covering?wire ties
seems
like a natural but will they last 20 yrs?
any comments would be appreciated.
bob noffs
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