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1. 03:21 AM - Re: lacing tape (Lynn Matteson)
2. 03:23 AM - Re: lacing tape (Lynn Matteson)
3. 06:51 AM - Re: lacing tape (Noel)
4. 07:15 AM - Re: Re: Transponder Radio Noise? (Noel)
5. 07:38 AM - Re: lacing tape (Noel)
6. 07:41 AM - Re: lacing tape (Lowell Fitt)
7. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Transponder Radio Noise? (Lowell Fitt)
8. 11:07 AM - Re: lacing tape (Lynn Matteson)
9. 12:42 PM - Re: lacing tape (Noel)
10. 07:40 PM - Re: lacing tape (Roger Standley)
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Gotcha...I was thinking about the waxed lacing tape that I used for
my rib lacing. I used it firewall rearward for wire bundles, and
plastic ties firewall forward.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 647.4 hrs
Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On May 10, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Lynn,
>
> The lacing tape I used is polyester. We shrink our covering fabric
> to 350. I would sure hope that the wiring in the engine
> compartment won't get to 350. At the temperatures that would
> degrade the polyester, I think I would be more concerned about the
> fuel lines.
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:40 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: lacing tape
>
>
>>
>> Are you sure you want to subject lacing tape to the heat of the
>> engine compartment? I would test this tape under the same heat
>> conditions as under the cowl, before I committed to using it. The
>> tie wraps that I used...nothing special....hold up perfectly on
>> my plane.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 647.4 hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Status: flying
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2009, at 7:20 AM, bob noffs wrote:
>>
>>> hi all,
>>> i decided to use ''lacing tape'' from acs for wirjng my wood
>>> wings. i will put a wrap of silocon tape on the wire first, then
>>> attach. price of lacing tape was reasonable so i have plenty to
>>> replace the plastic tie wraps in the engine compartment if they
>>> dont take the heat. thanks for all the input.
>>> bob noffs
>>> www.matronics.com/contribution _-
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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I learned a good trick while attending an EAA weekend electrical
course....cut the ties really close with a beveled snipper found at
electrical stores, and the *usually* sharp edges that you usually get
are no more.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 647.4 hrs
Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On May 10, 2009, at 9:08 PM, Noel wrote:
>
> While I don't like using tie wraps any where a person may be
> reaching into
> they are far ahead of any adhesive unless you are planning on tying
> the
> tapes as well. You need something mechanically sound both in the
> engine
> compartment and in the wings. Mechanically sound means tie wraps
> or good
> solid knots not any adhesive tape.
>
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It's not the tape it's the adhesive that can weaken in the relative warm of
the engine compartment. That is one of the reasons you will seldom if ever
see a roll of electrical tape in an A&Ps tool box. Most adhesives can
become soft and gooey with the heat the compartment can endure while sitting
on the apron while you are having one of those famous $100.oo hamburgers.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob noffs
Sent: 11 May 2009 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: lacing tape
i believe the tape from acs was nylon. good or bad?
bob noffs
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Noel <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
While I don't like using tie wraps any where a person may be reaching into
they are far ahead of any adhesive unless you are planning on tying the
tapes as well. You need something mechanically sound both in the engine
compartment and in the wings. Mechanically sound means tie wraps or good
solid knots not any adhesive tape.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: 10 May 2009 03:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: lacing tape
Are you sure you want to subject lacing tape to the heat of the
engine compartment? I would test this tape under the same heat
conditions as under the cowl, before I committed to using it. The tie
wraps that I used...nothing special....hold up perfectly on my plane.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 647.4 hrs
Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On May 10, 2009, at 7:20 AM, bob noffs wrote:
> hi all,
> i decided to use ''lacing tape'' from acs for wirjng my wood
> wings. i will put a wrap of silocon tape on the wire first, then
> attach. price of lacing tape was reasonable so i have plenty to
> replace the plastic tie wraps in the engine compartment if they
> dont take the heat. thanks for all the input.
> bob noffs
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder Radio Noise? |
Standing Wave Reflection. It is caused if there is a problem with the
transmitting antenna and some of the power being pumped into that system is
reflected back to the output transistors. Most of what you have to know is
antenna systems are designed and tuned to have as low an SWR as is possible.
(less is better!) If there is a break in the center conductor of the coax
or corrosion under the antenna etc the SWR will climb...and climb. This
puts a lot more pressure on your output transistors and they can even burn
out.
Electronic devices are not too bright. Give them a job to do and they will
do it. Make the job harder and the just try harder and harder to do the job
until they eventually burn themselves up. Electric motors are that way and
so are antenna systems. If you are getting a buzz when the XPNDR
(transponder) is transmitting then the problem is probably either in the
Xpndr itself or in the antenna system. Being that most modern electronic
devices are pretty much fool proof the only place to look for problems is in
the connection to the plane in this case that is the antenna. Once you have
your antenna, the coax and the connectors completely checked out then you
may have to spend a few dollars to have the Xpndr checked out. I did say
they were pretty much fool proof this is true but there is always the 10% of
the time that grounds are not the problems.
BTW do you notice any lowering of voltage or increase in current used when
the Xpndr is transmitting?
Several times in the past I've seen RMI (Radio Magnetic Interference)
problems that were fixed by the installation of additional grounds. No one
can quite figure out why but it did work. One of those things was on a
coast guard rescue boat. They have depth sounders and VHF (Very High
Frequency) radios similar to the ones on planes. Every time the sounder
made a ping a loud click went through the radio. Attaching a heavy duty
grounding strap to the depth sounder cured the interference. Note: the unit
was grounded to spec before but the extra ground caused the clicking to
stop.
I think I would try a ferrite ring with a few of turns of the hot wire to
your radio on it. Be sure to wrap it with heat shrink so it can't ground
and cause a little static of its own. I'd be surprised if that will work
because the power supplies of the radios are pretty well filtered inside the
boxes.
Clear as mud??
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of darinh
Sent: 11 May 2009 01:03 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Transponder Radio Noise?
Noel, What is SWR? I told you I am not an avionics guru so some of these
acronyms are not familiar to me. By the way, the plane is virtually brand
new and there is not corrosion. I did remove the antenna and checked anyway
and even sanded and brightened up the metal again. There is good ground
between the airframe and the antenna and I have had this problem since day
one. I have pretty much ignored it to this point as the buzz is not really
noticeable while flying due to cabin noise and ATC has never said anything
about it so I don't think they hear it. I think I will try the ferrite
option as it is inexpensive and easy.
Here is the question though...Where should I attach the ferrite cores? On
the antenna side or the Tx side? Or should I put them on both the radio and
the Tx?
Lowell, I ran all my power, grounds and other wires on the Right side of the
fuse...the Tx cable is in the center and the radio cable is on the left
side.
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
Read this topic online here:
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You can also go over the ends with a couple of swipes with a piece of
sandpaper. Unfortunately most people just reach in with the sidecuts and
when they hear the click of the end cutting off that's as far as it goes. I
have the scars to prove it does happen. Like a lot of homebuilders who are
not under time constraints you no doubt take the time to make your trims
properly. Once gashed twice leery.
I like the Koroseal lacing cord. It keeps things nice and snug without
allowing any wearing of insulation. You can't be cut with it and the
chances of cutting a wire in a bundle while removing it are a lot lower.
Basically I use it like wax chord (tape, string etc.) in the engine
compartment.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: 11 May 2009 07:53 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: lacing tape
I learned a good trick while attending an EAA weekend electrical
course....cut the ties really close with a beveled snipper found at
electrical stores, and the *usually* sharp edges that you usually get
are no more.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 647.4 hrs
Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On May 10, 2009, at 9:08 PM, Noel wrote:
>
> While I don't like using tie wraps any where a person may be
> reaching into
> they are far ahead of any adhesive unless you are planning on tying
> the
> tapes as well. You need something mechanically sound both in the
> engine
> compartment and in the wings. Mechanically sound means tie wraps
> or good
> solid knots not any adhesive tape.
>
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Bob,
The tape comes in Nylon and Polyester. Consider that the tie wraps some are
recomending are nylon, I don't see a problem. I read a forum piece on
another site where one of the guys said he had tried them both and he
perferred Nylon. I personally don't think it makes any difference as far as
security goes. I use Polyester simply because a guy on this forum got a
hold of a lot of it surplus and offered it at a great price.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "bob noffs" <icubob@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: lacing tape
>i believe the tape from acs was nylon. good or bad?
> bob noffs
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Noel <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>> While I don't like using tie wraps any where a person may be reaching
>> into
>> they are far ahead of any adhesive unless you are planning on tying the
>> tapes as well. You need something mechanically sound both in the engine
>> compartment and in the wings. Mechanically sound means tie wraps or good
>> solid knots not any adhesive tape.
>>
>> Noel
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
>> Matteson
>> Sent: 10 May 2009 03:11 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: lacing tape
>>
>>
>> Are you sure you want to subject lacing tape to the heat of the
>> engine compartment? I would test this tape under the same heat
>> conditions as under the cowl, before I committed to using it. The tie
>> wraps that I used...nothing special....hold up perfectly on my plane.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 647.4 hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Status: flying
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2009, at 7:20 AM, bob noffs wrote:
>>
>> > hi all,
>> > i decided to use ''lacing tape'' from acs for wirjng my wood
>> > wings. i will put a wrap of silocon tape on the wire first, then
>> > attach. price of lacing tape was reasonable so i have plenty to
>> > replace the plastic tie wraps in the engine compartment if they
>> > dont take the heat. thanks for all the input.
>> > bob noffs
>> > www.matronics.com/contribution _-
>> > ===========================================================
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder Radio Noise? |
Darin,
It sounds like you have done everything right. You may get another thought
on this, but it is my understanding that the ferrite cores are placed over
the power leads rather than the antennas to eliminate any noise passing into
the unit from those feeds.
SWR stands for Standing Wave Ratio. Personally, and this is my opinion
only, I don't think it would be a problem in your case as you are likely
using off the shelf antennas and mounted to the factory mounting pads. If
there was a problem in either of these areas, your noise situation would be
more common. SWR becomes a problem when you use antennas of the wrong
length. The desired length has to do with the frequency you are
transmitting.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:33 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Transponder Radio Noise?
>
> Noel, What is SWR? I told you I am not an avionics guru so some of these
> acronyms are not familiar to me. By the way, the plane is virtually brand
> new and there is not corrosion. I did remove the antenna and checked
> anyway and even sanded and brightened up the metal again. There is good
> ground between the airframe and the antenna and I have had this problem
> since day one. I have pretty much ignored it to this point as the buzz is
> not really noticeable while flying due to cabin noise and ATC has never
> said anything about it so I don't think they hear it. I think I will try
> the ferrite option as it is inexpensive and easy.
>
> Here is the question though...Where should I attach the ferrite cores? On
> the antenna side or the Tx side? Or should I put them on both the radio
> and the Tx?
>
> Lowell, I ran all my power, grounds and other wires on the Right side of
> the fuse...the Tx cable is in the center and the radio cable is on the
> left side.
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7
> 914 Turbo
> Kaysville, Utah
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243493#243493
>
>
>
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Yeah, I used to use every day side cutters, too, and often gashed
myself. Then I learned about the very small electronics snippers made
by Crescent. They don't bevel both sides of the cutting edge, just
one side. Thus you can cut right up close to the "fat" part of the
tie wrap, and all but eliminate any sharp edges.
I'll have to look into the Koroseal stuff.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 647.4 hrs
Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On May 11, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Noel wrote:
>
> You can also go over the ends with a couple of swipes with a piece of
> sandpaper. Unfortunately most people just reach in with the
> sidecuts and
> when they hear the click of the end cutting off that's as far as it
> goes. I
> have the scars to prove it does happen. Like a lot of homebuilders
> who are
> not under time constraints you no doubt take the time to make your
> trims
> properly. Once gashed twice leery.
>
> I like the Koroseal lacing cord. It keeps things nice and snug
> without
> allowing any wearing of insulation. You can't be cut with it and the
> chances of cutting a wire in a bundle while removing it are a lot
> lower.
> Basically I use it like wax chord (tape, string etc.) in the engine
> compartment.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: 11 May 2009 07:53 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: lacing tape
>
>
> I learned a good trick while attending an EAA weekend electrical
> course....cut the ties really close with a beveled snipper found at
> electrical stores, and the *usually* sharp edges that you usually get
> are no more.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 647.4 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Status: flying
>
>
> On May 10, 2009, at 9:08 PM, Noel wrote:
>
>>
>> While I don't like using tie wraps any where a person may be
>> reaching into
>> they are far ahead of any adhesive unless you are planning on tying
>> the
>> tapes as well. You need something mechanically sound both in the
>> engine
>> compartment and in the wings. Mechanically sound means tie wraps
>> or good
>> solid knots not any adhesive tape.
>>
>
>
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Nylon is a lot faster to install and it does give a good mechanical hold.
That's not my beef with it... being sliced on several occasions is and of
course those slices although not as deep as a knife blade would make they
are a lot more painful and there is the slight matter of all the blood
dripping everywhere.
I sure wish I'd seen the surplus sale.. The polyester can be a little on
the dear side.
I'd love to see nylon ties do a clean job like this that you could pull a
cloth over.
Koroseal.jpg
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: 11 May 2009 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: lacing tape
Bob,
The tape comes in Nylon and Polyester. Consider that the tie wraps some are
recomending are nylon, I don't see a problem. I read a forum piece on
another site where one of the guys said he had tried them both and he
perferred Nylon. I personally don't think it makes any difference as far as
security goes. I use Polyester simply because a guy on this forum got a
hold of a lot of it surplus and offered it at a great price.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "bob noffs" <icubob@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: lacing tape
>i believe the tape from acs was nylon. good or bad?
> bob noffs
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Noel <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>> While I don't like using tie wraps any where a person may be reaching
>> into
>> they are far ahead of any adhesive unless you are planning on tying the
>> tapes as well. You need something mechanically sound both in the engine
>> compartment and in the wings. Mechanically sound means tie wraps or good
>> solid knots not any adhesive tape.
>>
>> Noel
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
>> Matteson
>> Sent: 10 May 2009 03:11 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: lacing tape
>>
>>
>> Are you sure you want to subject lacing tape to the heat of the
>> engine compartment? I would test this tape under the same heat
>> conditions as under the cowl, before I committed to using it. The tie
>> wraps that I used...nothing special....hold up perfectly on my plane.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 647.4 hrs
>> Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Status: flying
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2009, at 7:20 AM, bob noffs wrote:
>>
>> > hi all,
>> > i decided to use ''lacing tape'' from acs for wirjng my wood
>> > wings. i will put a wrap of silocon tape on the wire first, then
>> > attach. price of lacing tape was reasonable so i have plenty to
>> > replace the plastic tie wraps in the engine compartment if they
>> > dont take the heat. thanks for all the input.
>> > bob noffs
>> > www.matronics.com/contribution _-
>> > ===========================================================
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Has anyone tried Rescue Tape?
----- Original Message -----
From: bob noffs<mailto:icubob@gmail.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: lacing tape
i believe the tape from acs was nylon. good or bad?
bob noffs
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Noel
<noelloveys@yahoo.ca<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca>> wrote:
<noelloveys@yahoo.ca<mailto:noelloveys@yahoo.ca>>
While I don't like using tie wraps any where a person may be
reaching into
they are far ahead of any adhesive unless you are planning on tying
the
tapes as well. You need something mechanically sound both in the
engine
compartment and in the wings. Mechanically sound means tie wraps or
good
solid knots not any adhesive tape.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@ma
tronics.com>
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-kitfox-list-s
erver@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: 10 May 2009 03:11 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: lacing tape
<lynnmatt@jps.net<mailto:lynnmatt@jps.net>>
Are you sure you want to subject lacing tape to the heat of the
engine compartment? I would test this tape under the same heat
conditions as under the cowl, before I committed to using it. The
tie
wraps that I used...nothing special....hold up perfectly on my
plane.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 647.4 hrs
Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On May 10, 2009, at 7:20 AM, bob noffs wrote:
> hi all,
> i decided to use ''lacing tape'' from acs for wirjng my wood
> wings. i will put a wrap of silocon tape on the wire first, then
> attach. price of lacing tape was reasonable so i have plenty to
> replace the plastic tie wraps in the engine compartment if they
> dont take the heat. thanks for all the input.
> bob noffs
>
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