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1. 12:51 AM - Re: Kitfox - how high have you gone ? (Heinz Lang)
2. 02:07 AM - Re: Re: rudder trim tab (JC Propeller Design)
3. 02:07 AM - Re: Re: rudder trim tab (JC Propeller Design)
4. 02:27 AM - (OFF-TOPIC) License WAS: rudder trim tab (Michel Verheughe)
5. 02:53 AM - Re: isogonic lines - semantics (Michel Verheughe)
6. 03:08 AM - Re: Re: rudder trim tab (Lynn Matteson)
7. 03:19 AM - Re: (OFF-TOPIC) License WAS: rudder trim tab (Lynn Matteson)
8. 03:19 AM - Re: Re: New Product Announcement (Summers, Mark)
9. 03:49 AM - Re: rudder trim tab (Michel Verheughe)
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15. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: Yahoo news article - The Great Ethanol Scam (Noel)
16. 01:37 PM - Re: (OFF-TOPIC) License WAS: rudder trim tab (Noel)
17. 02:11 PM - Re: Re: rudder trim tab (Noel)
18. 02:17 PM - Re: (OFF-TOPIC) License WAS: rudder trim tab (Noel)
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21. 05:00 PM - Re: (OFF-TOPIC) License WAS: rudder trim tab (Lynn Matteson)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox - how high have you gone ? |
Hello guys
Showing off with lots of altitude make no sense at all. The only real
number is the service ceiling as defined and with MTOM. Sorry to be so
blunt.
Heinz Lang
Kitfox IV-1200
R582
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| Subject: | Re: RE: rudder trim tab |
Michel,
Have you got your license back?
Jan
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From: "Michel Verheughe" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:44 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: rudder trim tab
>> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
>> I think heading is the direction that the plane is headed (duh!), and
>> course is the intended flight path.
>
> I believe it is, Lynn, on your side of the big pond.
>
> But the Royal Air Force Air Navigation published by the Air Ministry May
> 1944 says in Chapter One, page 15, paragraph 25, and I quote:
> - The direction in which an aircraft is heading is called its Course.
>
> Then, same page, paragraph 26:
> - The direction of the path of an aircraft over the Earth is called its
> track.
>
> Mind you, this is something I have been discussing with aviators and
> mariners for years and they mostly agree with you. But the R.A.F. doesn't.
> Terribly sorry, old chap! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
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| Subject: | Re: rudder trim tab |
A trim tab is something between 5 to 10% in size of the movable ruder
(or elevator) area behind the hinge line.
engine offset 1-2 degree normally, more on slow airplane less on fast
plane.
Jan
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From: Noel
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:28 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: rudder trim tab
Many airplanes are designed to have the vertical stab offset so the
prop wash won't skew the plane... in out planes we have the possibility
of changing from a left turning 582 to a right turning 912 so the
factory not knowing what we will install can only set the vert stab
straight. That means to me at least that some sort of tab is going to
be necessary.
noel
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Sent: 19 May 2009 12:07 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: rudder trim tab
Lynn, Lowell and Mike, others lurking,
I didn't mean to condemn trim tabs and especially cockpit controlled
trim tabs. The point I was hoping to make is that I feel the emphasis
should be on building a good airframe that is straight and true. I
don't want to have a bird that is all bent up and those imperfections
compensated for with hairy items hanging off of every control surface.
These are harsh sounding words I know. I am just trying to make the
point with exaggerations. Engine torque is proportional to power
setting and so is the resultant yaw. I want to cancel it immediately at
it's source with engine thrust line offset. Washers, shims, another
engine mount perhaps, are the cleaner ways to make an airplane fly
straight. What I want to accomplish is a glide that is straight and
true first and then do what has to be done to make the engine pull it in
as straight of a path as can be done even with the imperfections of that
rotating, torque inducing, P factor producing, wind mill out in front.
Of course a cockpit controlled trim tab is used for cross wind trim
and elevator trim is used for load CG variations. But, to permanently
bend a control surface to make up for a faulty thrust line is wrong I
feel. If your car has a front end alignment problem, do you alter the
rear axle alignment to make it go down the road straight? --Albeit in a
crab angle?
I love this forum because there are so many points of view that can
get aired. Dead horses are beaten. Feelings are even stepped on but,
when it all is tallied up some do and don't are discovered. Some best
practices are established and airplanes end up flying.
Got to turn in for the night.
John
John P. Marzluf
Columbus, Ohio
Outback (out back in the garage)
In a message dated 5/18/2009 9:44:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
orcabonita@hotmail.com writes:
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There is nothing wrong with trim tabs. All sorts of much more
advanced and high performance aircraft use trim tabs. Johns washer
idea is a good one, but I doubt it will be enough, and even when you get
close to correct, you will still probably get yaw changes with power,
which is exactly why many manufactured aircraft have rudder trim. Even
modern jet airliners have rudder trim... The theory of building a
perfectly straight airplane is good and something to strive for, but the
reality is that you will still probably need a trim tab in the end. An
electric adjustable rudder tab is even better...
Mike
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| Subject: | (OFF-TOPIC) License WAS: rudder trim tab |
> From: JC Propeller Design [propellerdesign@tele2.se]
> Have you got your license back?
Negative, Jan. Well ... I didn't lose it either. After my cardiac arrest of July,
I lost my driving license for one year and after notifying the Norwegian Aviation
Authorities, I grounded myself for one year.
Since I am over 50 years old and, according to the Norwegian Ultralight rule, I
need a medical certificate each year. My cardiac incident happened only three
weeks after that medical check.
I decided then to talk to my doctor who said that if I regain my driving license
next year, she would have no objection to let me fly again. The problem is:
I checked the Norwegian law and there is no difference for PPL or ultralight:
Heart attack = no license.
The think is: we all know that some pilots still fly after a cardiac problem. The
thing to do is: to find "doctor Nice." But I refuse to do that. My GP knows
me for years and I will work to make her understand that if I can drive a car,
I am certainly not more a danger for society if I fly my Kitfox.
I have now an appointment for the cardiologist the 10th of June, then an appointment
with my GP for the 18th of June. That day, at about 09:00, I will know if
I can open a bottle of Champagne! :-)
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | RE: isogonic lines - semantics |
> From: Paul Franz - Merlin GT [paul@eucleides.com]
> Heading and course are not the same. Course and track are the same.
Of course it is, my dear Paul. Of course, in your own language! My point was not
to tell what is "correct" but to stress that language is something that evolves
and has different meanings in different places. I hope you don't argue my
quoting of the R.A.F, do you?
I have been involved with maritime education in English, for the past 26 years
and if you wonder where I learnt English, being a native French speaker living
in Norway, it is from my profession, where I am in charge to ensure the quality
of our products, both graphically and verbally.
Which English to chose when you write for the international seafaring community?
We chose British English. And, in Britain, course and heading are the same thing.
Regarding the magnetic declination vs. the magnetic variation, I know very well
that, especially among American aviators, the variation is what is used. But
then, I ask: How do you call what I call the magnetic variation, i.e. the yearly
variation of the magnetic north?
The thing is: Seafarers are used to see that in the margin of their charts, as
they may want to adjust it since their charts may be a few years old. Note that
seafarers also use Mercator projections and not Lambert projections as airmen
do.
I guess that the notion of a yearly variation has become obsolete among pilots
since their charts must be up-to-date with the latest AIRAC that is published
every 28 days. Flying with years old aviation maps is dangerous!
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: RE: rudder trim tab |
Blimey! You mean to say, old boy, that the R.A.F. and the rest of the
world are not in agreement? Stop the presses, it's time to re-write
the History books. Shiver me timbers, mon ami, we'll just have to
agree to disagree. (How's that for a bit of mixed language metaphors,
or something....?)
A GPS sure takes a lot of the mystery out of flying, doesn't it? Pick
a spot to go to....climb up to your favorite altitude, and follow the
yellow brick...ooops, make that follow the pink line 'til it says
you're there. I love figuring out all the different angles, wind
speeds, headings, and courses, but when you just want to go someplace
for the joy of flying, nothing beats following the pink line, and of
course (there's that word again) following your progress with an
Aeronautical Chart.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 656.1 hrs
Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On May 19, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
>> I think heading is the direction that the plane is headed (duh!), and
>> course is the intended flight path.
>
> I believe it is, Lynn, on your side of the big pond.
>
> But the Royal Air Force Air Navigation published by the Air
> Ministry May 1944 says in Chapter One, page 15, paragraph 25, and I
> quote:
> - The direction in which an aircraft is heading is called its Course.
>
> Then, same page, paragraph 26:
> - The direction of the path of an aircraft over the Earth is called
> its track.
>
> Mind you, this is something I have been discussing with aviators
> and mariners for years and they mostly agree with you. But the
> R.A.F. doesn't. Terribly sorry, old chap! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
> Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: (OFF-TOPIC) License WAS: rudder trim tab |
I'll buy a bottle a few days before the 18th of June....let me know
if I should open it. : ) (I probably will anyway, but it would
be good to have a GOOD reason)
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 656.1 hrs
Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On May 20, 2009, at 5:25 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>> From: JC Propeller Design [propellerdesign@tele2.se]
>> Have you got your license back?
>
> Negative, Jan. Well ... I didn't lose it either. After my cardiac
> arrest of July, I lost my driving license for one year and after
> notifying the Norwegian Aviation Authorities, I grounded myself for
> one year.
>
> Since I am over 50 years old and, according to the Norwegian
> Ultralight rule, I need a medical certificate each year. My cardiac
> incident happened only three weeks after that medical check.
>
> I decided then to talk to my doctor who said that if I regain my
> driving license next year, she would have no objection to let me
> fly again. The problem is: I checked the Norwegian law and there is
> no difference for PPL or ultralight: Heart attack = no license.
>
> The think is: we all know that some pilots still fly after a
> cardiac problem. The thing to do is: to find "doctor Nice." But I
> refuse to do that. My GP knows me for years and I will work to make
> her understand that if I can drive a car, I am certainly not more a
> danger for society if I fly my Kitfox.
>
> I have now an appointment for the cardiologist the 10th of June,
> then an appointment with my GP for the 18th of June. That day, at
> about 09:00, I will know if I can open a bottle of Champagne! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
> Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Product Announcement |
I have wanted to move my throttle control to the left side for left hand
operation for some time, this looks like it may make that move simpler
Mark Summers
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| Subject: | RE: rudder trim tab |
> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
> A GPS sure takes a lot of the mystery out of flying, doesn't it?
Yep, and I think we can conclude this way, Lynn: We can thank the Yanks for making
the GPS and the Brits for making ... the English language! :-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Cutting 2/12in. hole in Plexiglass doors |
Tom,
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just above the center line of the door and towards the front. That is whe
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| Subject: | bushing for rudder |
I removed my rudder (Model ll)-for a little maint. and when I got ready t
o re-install I noticed one of the bushings missing.-l -Has anybody boug
ht or made any of these?
Charles Cook
N363KF -582
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We have been offering a similar throttle cable for some time. The throttle
ends are done and the cable is sized for the Kitfox.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Summers, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:19 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: New Product Announcement
I have wanted to move my throttle control to the left side for left hand
operation for some time, this looks like it may make that move simpler
Mark Summers
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| Subject: | Re: bushing for rudder |
you can pic the tubing up at most any hardware store. It is just the tubing used
for running water to the ice maker in your fridge. If the OD is too large,
you can put a small section in a drill spin it up and hit it with a file or sand
paper to turn it down to the desired OD. Same with ID if you cant find the
right diameter, just run a bit through it. I ordered 20' of new bushing material
from Airdale and had to turn both the ID and OD. only took a few minutes
to make it happen.
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| Subject: | RE: Yahoo news article - The Great Ethanol Scam |
I am the first to appreciate how an immediate cut of ethanol production
could have serious ramifications for farmers. I do think the government has
to stop throwing money at using ethanol as a fuel they don't have to stop
entirely tomorrow. I also think the pork & poultry producers will be able
to take up a lot of the excess corn produced.
Dave seems to be try9ing to find out how high he can get on hooch!
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: 19 May 2009 11:07 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Yahoo news article - The Great Ethanol Scam
Noel - you give far too much credit to farmers! I live in farm country and
am all too aware of farmers worried about gambling what to put their acres
up in given that by the time the corn is ready for market the politicians
and the speculators could have trashed their life savings. It's a nasty
situation but the farmers are just pawns in the game, they stand to make
good money or lose their overalls over decisions they have absolutely no
control over. Maybe farmers should join an organisation with the political
clout of the NRA, then you could blame farmers. But then they might shoot
back! ;-)
"Voting farmers" - in farm country you have 1 or 2 votes per 100 acres of
farmland, in a suburb how many votes per 100 acres - none of them farmers! I
doubt the vote matters. Personally I think ethanol is just viewed as "doing
something" about our dependence on foreign oil, without really researching
whether that something is a good solution at all.
But, bringing it back to Kitfoxes, I am *still* rebuilding my entire fuel
system to run on the inevitable corn-gas that I have to use, so I do tend to
rant on the topic, sorry. Fire up your blowtorch and flame away Dave, just
keep it away from your ethanol reserves... ;-)
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel
Sent: 19 May 2009 8:21 am
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Yahoo news article - The Great Ethanol Scam
There are no redeeming qualities to burning ethanol as engine fuel. If the
politicians didn't keep throwing huge quantities of money, our money, at it
the whole idea would dry up and blow away. Problem is there would be a lot
of voting farmers who would be really peeved. I'm also willing to bet the
next fuel replacement program will also involve farmers so their peeve won't
last too long.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
Sent: 17 May 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Yahoo news article - The Great Ethanol Scam
Mike, If ethanol polluted gasoline has virtually no redeeming
characteristics, and government mandating interference in the market economy
promotes only costly inefficienties, as government market interference
always does, there IS only one side! The U.S. feeds the world with corn and
to mandate burning food for energy when there are other sources is... well
you draw your own conclusion.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:10:10 +0200
> From: michel@online.no
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Yahoo news article - The Great Ethanol Scam
>
> > From: Rexinator [rexinator@gmail.com]
> > Not that I'm trying to create any debate (certainly here we all agree
ethanol is bad).
> > This just neatly explains the issue.
>
> Yes, I agree that ethanol is bad, Rex, and because of that, I need now to
pay twice as much for Avgas in my Kitfox (with tax deduction I can make,
Mogas is half Avgas in Norway).
>
> But how can anyone pay attention to an article that is aimed only at one
thing: Discredit ethanol? It would be like asking the Pope if he believes in
God.
>
> The idea is to use carbon dioxide neutral energy. Fossil fuel is something
that was supposed to release CO2 millions of years ago. That is the problem!
>
> Is ethanol the correct CO2 neutral fuel? I leave that question to those
who know better than me. But the article from Yahoo was one-sided and if I
am to read that, I may as well read ... er, hum ... Mao's little red book!
:-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | (OFF-TOPIC) License WAS: rudder trim tab |
I know one commercial helicopter pilot who flew for years after bypass
surgery.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: 20 May 2009 06:56 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: (OFF-TOPIC) License WAS: rudder trim tab
> From: JC Propeller Design [propellerdesign@tele2.se]
> Have you got your license back?
Negative, Jan. Well ... I didn't lose it either. After my cardiac arrest of
July, I lost my driving license for one year and after notifying the
Norwegian Aviation Authorities, I grounded myself for one year.
Since I am over 50 years old and, according to the Norwegian Ultralight
rule, I need a medical certificate each year. My cardiac incident happened
only three weeks after that medical check.
I decided then to talk to my doctor who said that if I regain my driving
license next year, she would have no objection to let me fly again. The
problem is: I checked the Norwegian law and there is no difference for PPL
or ultralight: Heart attack = no license.
The think is: we all know that some pilots still fly after a cardiac
problem. The thing to do is: to find "doctor Nice." But I refuse to do that.
My GP knows me for years and I will work to make her understand that if I
can drive a car, I am certainly not more a danger for society if I fly my
Kitfox.
I have now an appointment for the cardiologist the 10th of June, then an
appointment with my GP for the 18th of June. That day, at about 09:00, I
will know if I can open a bottle of Champagne! :-)
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | RE: rudder trim tab |
Me, I love DR. Give me a chart and a whiz wheel and I'll have fun...
Yes I do have a GPS but to be honest with the restricted range (three hours)
of the Kitfox it's use hasn't been necessary... yet.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: 20 May 2009 07:38 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: rudder trim tab
Blimey! You mean to say, old boy, that the R.A.F. and the rest of the
world are not in agreement? Stop the presses, it's time to re-write
the History books. Shiver me timbers, mon ami, we'll just have to
agree to disagree. (How's that for a bit of mixed language metaphors,
or something....?)
A GPS sure takes a lot of the mystery out of flying, doesn't it? Pick
a spot to go to....climb up to your favorite altitude, and follow the
yellow brick...ooops, make that follow the pink line 'til it says
you're there. I love figuring out all the different angles, wind
speeds, headings, and courses, but when you just want to go someplace
for the joy of flying, nothing beats following the pink line, and of
course (there's that word again) following your progress with an
Aeronautical Chart.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 656.1 hrs
Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
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On May 19, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>> From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt@jps.net]
>> I think heading is the direction that the plane is headed (duh!), and
>> course is the intended flight path.
>
> I believe it is, Lynn, on your side of the big pond.
>
> But the Royal Air Force Air Navigation published by the Air
> Ministry May 1944 says in Chapter One, page 15, paragraph 25, and I
> quote:
> - The direction in which an aircraft is heading is called its Course.
>
> Then, same page, paragraph 26:
> - The direction of the path of an aircraft over the Earth is called
> its track.
>
> Mind you, this is something I have been discussing with aviators
> and mariners for years and they mostly agree with you. But the
> R.A.F. doesn't. Terribly sorry, old chap! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
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| Subject: | (OFF-TOPIC) License WAS: rudder trim tab |
Lynn:
The only reason I need to open a bottle of Champaign is the same as to fly
the plane.... it's there!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: 20 May 2009 07:47 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: (OFF-TOPIC) License WAS: rudder trim tab
I'll buy a bottle a few days before the 18th of June....let me know
if I should open it. : ) (I probably will anyway, but it would
be good to have a GOOD reason)
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 656.1 hrs
Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
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On May 20, 2009, at 5:25 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>> From: JC Propeller Design [propellerdesign@tele2.se]
>> Have you got your license back?
>
> Negative, Jan. Well ... I didn't lose it either. After my cardiac
> arrest of July, I lost my driving license for one year and after
> notifying the Norwegian Aviation Authorities, I grounded myself for
> one year.
>
> Since I am over 50 years old and, according to the Norwegian
> Ultralight rule, I need a medical certificate each year. My cardiac
> incident happened only three weeks after that medical check.
>
> I decided then to talk to my doctor who said that if I regain my
> driving license next year, she would have no objection to let me
> fly again. The problem is: I checked the Norwegian law and there is
> no difference for PPL or ultralight: Heart attack = no license.
>
> The think is: we all know that some pilots still fly after a
> cardiac problem. The thing to do is: to find "doctor Nice." But I
> refuse to do that. My GP knows me for years and I will work to make
> her understand that if I can drive a car, I am certainly not more a
> danger for society if I fly my Kitfox.
>
> I have now an appointment for the cardiologist the 10th of June,
> then an appointment with my GP for the 18th of June. That day, at
> about 09:00, I will know if I can open a bottle of Champagne! :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox - how high have you gone ? |
hlang(at)bluewin.ch wrote:
> Hello guys
> Showing off with lots of altitude make no sense at all. The only real
> number is the service ceiling as defined and with MTOM. Sorry to be so
> blunt.
>
> Heinz Lang
> Kitfox IV-1200
> R582
I could not disagree more, there are so many differences in Kitfoxes, that maximum
altitude will vary greatly. I don't give @#%@ what some definition somewhere
says, the only number important to me is what my plane will actually do...
And its fun to compare the highest altitudes, highest speeds, etc. etc. people
have been doing that for a hundred years with their airplanes. Human nature
is to see how high it will actually go, when people ask me about my planes,
they ask how high it will go, not some garbage about definitions and service
ceilings. Ever heard of racing, its based on maximum performance of machines,
not definitions [Laughing]
Mike
--------
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Yahoo news article - The Great Ethanol Scam |
Ethanol is here . I did not have a choice so I use it
almost 600 hours now in just over 2 years .
Trouble free so far .
Seems like only a few have issues and there are not 100 % proven to be ethanol.
Dave
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Awesome *New Forum *
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Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
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| Subject: | Re: (OFF-TOPIC) License WAS: rudder trim tab |
And both excellent reasons, Noel.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 656.1 hrs
Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On May 20, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Noel wrote:
>
> Lynn:
>
> The only reason I need to open a bottle of Champaign is the same as
> to fly
> the plane.... it's there!
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: 20 May 2009 07:47 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: (OFF-TOPIC) License WAS: rudder trim tab
>
>
> I'll buy a bottle a few days before the 18th of June....let me know
> if I should open it. : ) (I probably will anyway, but it would
> be good to have a GOOD reason)
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 656.1 hrs
> Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Status: flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On May 20, 2009, at 5:25 AM, Michel Verheughe wrote:
>
>>> From: JC Propeller Design [propellerdesign@tele2.se]
>>> Have you got your license back?
>>
>> Negative, Jan. Well ... I didn't lose it either. After my cardiac
>> arrest of July, I lost my driving license for one year and after
>> notifying the Norwegian Aviation Authorities, I grounded myself for
>> one year.
>>
>> Since I am over 50 years old and, according to the Norwegian
>> Ultralight rule, I need a medical certificate each year. My cardiac
>> incident happened only three weeks after that medical check.
>>
>> I decided then to talk to my doctor who said that if I regain my
>> driving license next year, she would have no objection to let me
>> fly again. The problem is: I checked the Norwegian law and there is
>> no difference for PPL or ultralight: Heart attack = no license.
>>
>> The think is: we all know that some pilots still fly after a
>> cardiac problem. The thing to do is: to find "doctor Nice." But I
>> refuse to do that. My GP knows me for years and I will work to make
>> her understand that if I can drive a car, I am certainly not more a
>> danger for society if I fly my Kitfox.
>>
>> I have now an appointment for the cardiologist the 10th of June,
>> then an appointment with my GP for the 18th of June. That day, at
>> about 09:00, I will know if I can open a bottle of Champagne! :-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michel Verheughe
>> Norway
>> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox - how high have you gone ? |
Be blunt, but you're missing out! Fly the airplane!
-----Original Message-----
From: Heinz Lang <hlang@bluewin.ch>
Sent: Wed, 20 May 2009 1:50 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox - how high have you gone ?
Hello guys
Showing off with lots of altitude make no sense at all. The only real
number is the service ceiling as defined and with MTOM. Sorry to be so
blunt.
Heinz Lang
Kitfox IV-1200
R582
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox - how high have you gone ? |
I put in the data for a Kitfox 1200 65 hp in my propeller program, it is
using a curve for 4-stroke engine when it come to altitude performance, I
don't know if the 2-stroke is different in loosing power with alt. but any
way.
where it climb 100 fpm is said to be practical ceiling
assuming it will do 102 mph at sea level WOT, (drag calc) it will reach
almost 12000 (Climbing 100 fpm) this at MTOW 1200 lbs.
with TOW 1000 lbs it will reach 16000 (climb 100 fpm)
with 80 HP (max speed 108.6 mph) it will go to 15000 at 1200 lb
and 19000 at 1000 lb
max alt will be 3000 feet higher, (where it "climb" at 0 fpm) it will take
60 min to climb the last 3000 feet!
this is theory and it use a standard atmosphere,
and differences in aircraft drag have big influence at alt, where power is
limited, ( at 15000 power is 55%)
less drag and there is more power leftover for climb.
Jan
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:55 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox - how high have you gone ?
>
>
> hlang(at)bluewin.ch wrote:
>> Hello guys
>> Showing off with lots of altitude make no sense at all. The only real
>> number is the service ceiling as defined and with MTOM. Sorry to be so
>> blunt.
>>
>> Heinz Lang
>> Kitfox IV-1200
>> R582
>
>
> I could not disagree more, there are so many differences in Kitfoxes, that
> maximum altitude will vary greatly. I don't give @#%@ what some
> definition somewhere says, the only number important to me is what my
> plane will actually do... And its fun to compare the highest altitudes,
> highest speeds, etc. etc. people have been doing that for a hundred years
> with their airplanes. Human nature is to see how high it will actually
> go, when people ask me about my planes, they ask how high it will go, not
> some garbage about definitions and service ceilings. Ever heard of
> racing, its based on maximum performance of machines, not definitions
> [Laughing]
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=244836#244836
>
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