---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/11/09: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:13 AM - model 5 gear pictures (kirk hull) 2. 08:19 AM - Re: model 5 gear pictures (Lowell Fitt) 3. 08:31 AM - Re: model 5 gear pictures (AKFLYERBOB) 4. 09:13 AM - Re: model 5 gear pictures (Larry Huntley) 5. 06:23 PM - Re: model 5 gear pictures (kirk hull) 6. 06:51 PM - Re: model 5 gear pictures (Frank Miles) 7. 07:12 PM - Re: model 5 gear pictures (Lynn Matteson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:59 AM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: Kitfox-List: model 5 gear pictures Is there anybody out there with a model 5 that is not covered that could take some pics of the area where the gear connects and the front seat supports(where the bungees would connect. I am going to strengthen my classic 4 in these areas after I got some bent tubes and would like to see what changes were made to the model 5. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:16 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model 5 gear pictures Kirk, I realize this is not a specific response to your question, but I know of several guys that eliminated the limit cables after Dr. Downhill bent his bungee bulkhead in a hard landing. I guess the limit cables are to protect the prop from a ground strike, but there have been more reports of bulkhead failures than prop strikes. Maybe lengthing the cables a bit might be prudent if they are left on. Lowell Fitt Cameron Park, CA Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Covering ----- Original Message ----- From: "kirk hull" Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:12 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: model 5 gear pictures > Is there anybody out there with a model 5 that is not covered that could > take some pics of the area where the gear connects and the front seat > supports(where the bungees would connect. I am going to strengthen my > classic 4 in these areas after I got some bent tubes and would like to see > what changes were made to the model 5. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:43 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: model 5 gear pictures From: "AKFLYERBOB" Thats bad advice The cables are to keep the prop and "WING" from hitting the ground. Even with broken bungees and bent gear you can still fly home on the safety cable. What should be eliminated is the HARD LANDINGS if possible. Bob -------- Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska KF Mod I and III Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247687#247687 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:27 AM PST US From: "Larry Huntley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model 5 gear pictures Bulkhead damage OR a wing and a prop(and maybe engine crank)?? I think I might leave them on and practice landings. OMO Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model 5 gear pictures > > Kirk, > > I realize this is not a specific response to your question, but I know of > several guys that eliminated the limit cables after Dr. Downhill bent his > bungee bulkhead in a hard landing. I guess the limit cables are to > protect > the prop from a ground strike, but there have been more reports of > bulkhead > failures than prop strikes. > > Maybe lengthing the cables a bit might be prudent if they are left on. > > Lowell Fitt > Cameron Park, CA > Model IV-1200 R-912 UL > Covering > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kirk hull" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:12 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: model 5 gear pictures > > >> Is there anybody out there with a model 5 that is not covered that could >> take some pics of the area where the gear connects and the front seat >> supports(where the bungees would connect. I am going to strengthen my >> classic 4 in these areas after I got some bent tubes and would like to >> see >> what changes were made to the model 5. >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 05:53:00 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:57 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: model 5 gear pictures Right now the plan is to change to the grove gear. We have been kicking the idea around for a while now anyway as my Step father and co-owner of the plane is just now learning how to fly so there are bound to be some more hard landings. I have seen some pics of model 5's with out cover and noticed a gusset on the side where the gear connects to the plane. I would like to add this to the plane and some good pictures showing location would be great. I got 1 from Kitfox but it is to close to really tell what tubes it is covering. Also if anybody has any pictures for a model4 with the grove gear showing where it mounts those would also be helpful. If anybody can help it would be greatly appreciated Thanks Kirk hull Kitfox Classic VI N205AK Kansas City MO. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model 5 gear pictures Kirk, I realize this is not a specific response to your question, but I know of several guys that eliminated the limit cables after Dr. Downhill bent his bungee bulkhead in a hard landing. I guess the limit cables are to protect the prop from a ground strike, but there have been more reports of bulkhead failures than prop strikes. Maybe lengthing the cables a bit might be prudent if they are left on. Lowell Fitt Cameron Park, CA Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Covering ----- Original Message ----- From: "kirk hull" Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:12 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: model 5 gear pictures > Is there anybody out there with a model 5 that is not covered that could > take some pics of the area where the gear connects and the front seat > supports(where the bungees would connect. I am going to strengthen my > classic 4 in these areas after I got some bent tubes and would like to see > what changes were made to the model 5. > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:17 PM PST US From: "Frank Miles" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: model 5 gear pictures I have a Mdl. III with the Grove gear, wheels and brakes. Much more stable than the old gear and very forgiving. I have put about 70 hours on it and would not go back. If I remember right, it is about six inches wider. See attached picture. I think that the four is very similar. Frank Miles Lewiston, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kirk hull Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:23 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: model 5 gear pictures Right now the plan is to change to the grove gear. We have been kicking the idea around for a while now anyway as my Step father and co-owner of the plane is just now learning how to fly so there are bound to be some more hard landings. I have seen some pics of model 5's with out cover and noticed a gusset on the side where the gear connects to the plane. I would like to add this to the plane and some good pictures showing location would be great. I got 1 from Kitfox but it is to close to really tell what tubes it is covering. Also if anybody has any pictures for a model4 with the grove gear showing where it mounts those would also be helpful. If anybody can help it would be greatly appreciated Thanks Kirk hull Kitfox Classic VI N205AK Kansas City MO. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model 5 gear pictures Kirk, I realize this is not a specific response to your question, but I know of several guys that eliminated the limit cables after Dr. Downhill bent his bungee bulkhead in a hard landing. I guess the limit cables are to protect the prop from a ground strike, but there have been more reports of bulkhead failures than prop strikes. Maybe lengthing the cables a bit might be prudent if they are left on. Lowell Fitt Cameron Park, CA Model IV-1200 R-912 UL Covering ----- Original Message ----- From: "kirk hull" Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:12 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: model 5 gear pictures > Is there anybody out there with a model 5 that is not covered that could > take some pics of the area where the gear connects and the front seat > supports(where the bungees would connect. I am going to strengthen my > classic 4 in these areas after I got some bent tubes and would like to see > what changes were made to the model 5. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:39 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model 5 gear pictures Kirk- Here are pictures of my IV with Grove gear. As you can see, the Grove gear uses the front two float brackets on each side, to mount the gear. I kept the picture size small to avoid a lengthy download. This shot was taken during the temporary assembly stage, and does not show that actual hardware that I used. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 672.2 hrs Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop Electroair direct-fire ignition system Status: flying On Jun 11, 2009, at 9:23 PM, kirk hull wrote: > Right now the plan is to change to the grove gear. We have been > kicking the > idea around for a while now anyway as my Step father and co-owner > of the > plane is just now learning how to fly so there are bound to be some > more > hard landings. I have seen some pics of model 5's with out cover and > noticed a gusset on the side where the gear connects to the plane. > I would > like to add this to the plane and some good pictures showing > location would > be great. I got 1 from Kitfox but it is to close to really tell > what tubes > it is covering. Also if anybody has any pictures for a model4 with > the > grove gear showing where it mounts those would also be helpful. > If anybody can help it would be greatly appreciated > > > Thanks > Kirk hull > Kitfox Classic VI > N205AK Kansas City MO. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell > Fitt > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:15 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: model 5 gear pictures > > > > Kirk, > > I realize this is not a specific response to your question, but I > know of > several guys that eliminated the limit cables after Dr. Downhill > bent his > bungee bulkhead in a hard landing. I guess the limit cables are to > protect > the prop from a ground strike, but there have been more reports of > bulkhead > failures than prop strikes. > > Maybe lengthing the cables a bit might be prudent if they are left on. > > Lowell Fitt > Cameron Park, CA > Model IV-1200 R-912 UL > Covering > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kirk hull" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:12 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: model 5 gear pictures > > >> Is there anybody out there with a model 5 that is not covered that >> could >> take some pics of the area where the gear connects and the front seat >> supports(where the bungees would connect. I am going to >> strengthen my >> classic 4 in these areas after I got some bent tubes and would >> like to see >> what changes were made to the model 5. >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.