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Mon 06/15/09


Total Messages Posted: 12



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     1. 04:27 AM - Re: radio noise (369PL)
     2. 05:04 AM - Re: Re: radio noiseradio noise (Catz631@aol.com)
     3. 05:43 AM - Ivo prop constant speed (eric)
     4. 06:11 AM - Re: Re: radio noise (Noel)
     5. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: radio noise (Noel)
     6. 07:41 AM - Re: Re: radio noiseradio noise (Noel)
     7. 09:18 AM - Re: What gear ratio are you running? (akflyer)
     8. 09:36 AM - Re: model 5 gear pictures (akflyer)
     9. 09:46 AM - Re: radio noise (akflyer)
    10. 06:39 PM - Re: radio noise (369PL)
    11. 07:46 PM - Re: What gear ratio are you running? (369PL)
    12. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: radio noise (Noel)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:27:00 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: radio noise
    From: "369PL" <n3pupnc@aol.com>
    I flew my plane yesterday for a about 30 min. I used batteries in the gps instead of the 12v plane power. I had no noise. I then unhooked the batteries and plugged back into the plane and still no noise. I guess I have a intermitten problem. My gps does not have a bluetooth. I checked the voltage with the gps it says 9.6 my volt meeter says 12.9 the volt meeter on the dash says almost 14. I have noticed that when I run my stobes my engine temp jumps up about 20 degrees (indicated not actual). I have a grey head 582. with a key west rectifier. How much joltage should I have. I will will take my cowl off this week and check the ground connection as suggested. Thanks guys for the suggestions Warren Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248174#248174


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    Time: 05:04:00 AM PST US
    From: Catz631@aol.com
    Subject: Re: RE: radio noiseradio noise
    Noel, I don't know where you came up with your ideas about why airlines don't allow GPS use but they are wrong. As a former airline pilot I have personally seen the results of a passenger using one as it effected my instruments during an instrument approach. I had the flight attendant hunt down the user and the erroneous indications stopped. GPS /cell phones can and do effect the instruments. Dick Maddux Fox 4 Milton,Fl **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! eExcfooterNO62)


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    Time: 05:43:07 AM PST US
    From: "eric" <iworonko@cox.net>
    Subject: Ivo prop constant speed
    there is a Ivo IFA Prop constant speed controller on eBay right now N58EW


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    Time: 06:11:34 AM PST US
    From: "Noel" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: RE: radio noise
    That actually came from the days when after every trans-Atlantic flight there would be several jugs on the huge 28 cylinder engines replaced. They used to say you could tell who the AME at the airport was... he always drove the biggest car! So much overtime replacing jugs. Years ago there was a guy who used to fly a connie from England to Canada as a freighter. On one trip in mid Atlantic he lost one engine. Rather than feathering the blades and dragging it the rest of the way. He didn't think he had the fuel to make it anywhere with his load, he fined the pitch and caused the prop to over rev until for lack of oil the engine seized and tore itself off the plane. He then landed in Gander and had the engine, mount, cowling etc. replaced. The other point is what you as a pilot could consider a standard operating procedure, a passenger who is on their first flight, could get worried about. Even ATC communications can be misinterpreted as a problem and create anxiety in the cabin. I remember talking to an aircraft maintenance instructor about his first flight in a BAE 146. When the tucked the gear he thought the side was coming out of the plane... it was worse when the gear was dropped! All that was normal but if it caused a seasoned maintenance engineer some concern imagine what it would do to some guy who heard on his pocket radio the plane sent for a go around because of wind shear! When I studied aircraft maintenance we had one young fellow in our class that you couldn't crowbar into a plane to go for a flight. He ended up joining the Canadian military and now he has to fly...not only that he has to fly on planes he is responsible for... Looks good on him J Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Weiss Richard Sent: 14 June 2009 11:49 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: radio noise On Jun 14, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Noel wrote: they never mention that almost every flight something minor goes wrong on the flight deck and they don't want you to start a panic behind them. Noel, Everything you said was alright until this point, but really, I flew RJ's (lots of electronics - EFIS, MFD, EICAS, etc.) for years and I had very few flights where anything went wrong. I'm not sure where you got the stats from, but they seem skewed. BTW, we didn't have Sat phones so royalties weren't an issue for us, I think you may be right about that one. Rick Weiss N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS SkyStar S/N 1 Port Orange, FL =


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    Time: 07:22:21 AM PST US
    From: "Noel" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Re: radio noise
    13.8V. Due to the limited output of the alternator (around 16A or 220 Watts) I'm a bit surprised about the temperature increase while running your strobes. If you turn the strobes off how long does it take for your temperature to come down again? Do you experience any loss of rpm? Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 369PL Sent: 15 June 2009 08:56 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: radio noise I flew my plane yesterday for a about 30 min. I used batteries in the gps instead of the 12v plane power. I had no noise. I then unhooked the batteries and plugged back into the plane and still no noise. I guess I have a intermitten problem. My gps does not have a bluetooth. I checked the voltage with the gps it says 9.6 my volt meeter says 12.9 the volt meeter on the dash says almost 14. I have noticed that when I run my stobes my engine temp jumps up about 20 degrees (indicated not actual). I have a grey head 582. with a key west rectifier. How much joltage should I have. I will will take my cowl off this week and check the ground connection as suggested. Thanks guys for the suggestions Warren Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248174#248174


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    Time: 07:41:15 AM PST US
    From: "Noel" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: RE: radio noiseradio noise
    The GPS is another quintal of fish... They actually have microprocessors in them that certainly can for whatever reason interfere with your onboard system that drives your EFIS. If the passenger had been in a different seat you may never have known he was there... and maybe you would have. Problem for you is today even some phones have more computing power than it took to put a man in orbit. This means Blackberries and the sort can interfere with your instruments. Hand held receivers for com frequencies and straight cell phones probably won't interfere with you in the slightest. I hope you wrote up the incident in the log so the avionics guys can go over your systems to make sure that it wasn't a wakeup call for a more serious problem. Personally I have no problem with the restrictions on what you can and can't take on a plane. I generally tell anyone who has to know when I'm landing so using a sky phone, for me, actually interferes with the enjoyment of the flight. I'm sure there are those who would like to use their laptops in flight but with the RF noise they produce... no thanks. My point is that not all the regs are based on the possibility of interference with the operation of the plane. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catz631@aol.com Sent: 15 June 2009 09:27 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: radio noiseradio noise Noel, I don't know where you came up with your ideas about why airlines don't allow GPS use but they are wrong. As a former airline pilot I have personally seen the results of a passenger using one as it effected my instruments during an instrument approach. I had the flight attendant hunt down the user and the erroneous indications stopped. GPS /cell phones can and do effect the instruments. Dick Maddux Fox 4 Milton,Fl _____ An Excellent Credit Score is215/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26 hmpgID=62%26bcd=JuneExcfooterNO62>See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!


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    Time: 09:18:47 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: What gear ratio are you running?
    From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
    dave wrote: > Leni, > > You must be talking about me reco'ing those gears ? > > My Kitfox IV 582 3 to 1 Gearbox 68" Warp Square tip with 21" tires cruises 90 to 92 mph 5800 to 6000 rpm . fuel flow 18 litres per hour Summer, 20 litres a hour in winter > On Aerocet amphibs cruise is 85-86 mph. > > I did try 2.62 gears once and lost at least 5 mph cruise if i recall. I actually thought I might gain some speed and was surprized otherwise. > > I think that you might find Skystar found the gain with going to 3 to 1 on a C box from the 2.58 :1 B box was a huge improvement. > > You never did say what prop and settings that you used when you made the gear change? I only made my pitch finer. > > > Dave Hmm Maybe lol. I used my 72" IVO 3 blade when I first swapped, then took the 68" brolga off Bobs plane and tried it. Same results. Slower and higher fuel burn. I have not put the fairings on the struts yet, but I flew all winter without them. I did note that it is not as smooth with the 3:1 either, you feel every impulse. Going back to 2:62 today and will post numbers later. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry aka SNAKE Soldotna AK Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 hander outer of humorless darwin awards Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248251#248251


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    Time: 09:36:49 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: model 5 gear pictures
    From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
    This will give you a visual. The bottom pic is a shot of the gear leg where the bungee wraps around on my brothers KF II. As you can see from the rust it was cracked for awhile before it turned loose on a hard landing. This is right at the toe of the weld where one would expect a crack to start, and the pic represents exactly what also happened to my Avid TWICE before I got it. Take it with a grain of salt, after all, I do sell snake oil lol -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry aka SNAKE Soldotna AK Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 hander outer of humorless darwin awards Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248254#248254 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gear_leg_copy_946.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc06034_450.jpg


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    Time: 09:46:58 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: radio noise
    From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
    sounds more and more like a bad ground to me. The temp jumping when you hit the strobes is a pretty good indicator, and the noise going away when you unplugged then plugged the GPS back in would suggest a loose connection or possible broken wire. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry aka SNAKE Soldotna AK Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1260 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 hander outer of humorless darwin awards Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248261#248261


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    Time: 06:39:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: radio noise
    From: "369PL" <n3pupnc@aol.com>
    Noel. The temp drops as soon as you tune the switch off. It raises as soon as you turn it on.It does the same with the position lights and the cabin heater. The rpms stay constant. Warren Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248369#248369


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    Time: 07:46:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: What gear ratio are you running?
    From: "369PL" <n3pupnc@aol.com>
    I am running 3to1 with a 3 blade GSC prop. At 6000 rpm I indicate 110mph but I think the actual airspeed is 90mph. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248379#248379


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    Time: 08:02:47 PM PST US
    From: "Noel" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
    Subject: Re: radio noise
    Sounds like a problem with the temp gauge... is it a standard thermocouple? ( unpowered) Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 369PL Sent: 15 June 2009 23:09 Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: radio noise Noel. The temp drops as soon as you tune the switch off. It raises as soon as you turn it on.It does the same with the position lights and the cabin heater. The rpms stay constant. Warren Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248369#248369




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