---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/21/09: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:24 AM - Re: Re: Charging system trouble shooting (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 2. 08:08 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 (Ed Gray) 3. 09:33 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 (akflyerbob) 4. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 (skyflyte@comcast.net) 5. 11:38 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 (Lynn Matteson) 6. 02:44 PM - Fw: Avid Gear (Don Hudgeon) 7. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 (Guy Buchanan) 8. 03:37 PM - Re: Fw: Avid Gear (Tom Jones) 9. 03:56 PM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 (Tom Jones) 10. 07:28 PM - Re: mismatched egt's (WurlyBird) 11. 07:33 PM - Re: lexan (WurlyBird) 12. 08:31 PM - Gross weight VS DA (WurlyBird) 13. 10:09 PM - Re: Gross weight VS DA (Guy Buchanan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:14 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Charging system trouble shooting The 22000 mf capacitor looks like a d battery in size and shape. =C2-its wiring is included in the wiring diagram of the VI and later. =C2-Check w ith John Mcbean or I can scan and send a diagram. =C2-It is wired in para llel off the voltage regulator as I recall and acts as a noise sink. =C2- In wiring the Hatz I took a lead off the output of the alternator to the ca pacitor then to ground. =C2-The Hatz alternator was internally regulated. John Kerr Classic IV, 912ul, GSC prop, 900 hrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "WurlyBird" Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:42:18 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Charging system trouble shooting l> Ummm. Where would it be and what does it look like? =C2-My guess is NO. -------- James Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop Just about ready to take my check ride. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249241#249241 =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:43 AM PST US From: "Ed Gray" Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 Kitfoxers, I am about ready to test fly my KII width 582 and GSC 3 blade prop. This is a 1990 Kit I bought and started working on last spring. Question: My horizontal stabilizer has two possible AOA settings, one places the surface parallel to the horizontal tube in the vertical fin. The other hole places the leading edge one half inch lower. My build manual suggests that I start with the lower position for more nose up trim. My local "expert" says make it parallel. I have the cambered wing. Any suggestions or advice? Ed Gray, Dallas -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kitfox-List Digest Server Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 1:59 AM Subject: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Kitfox-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Kitfox-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 09-06-18&Archive=Kitfox Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 2009-06-18&Archive=Kitfox =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/18/09: 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:26 PM - Re: WiebeFox Lite? (kitfoxnick) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:05 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: WiebeFox Lite? From: "kitfoxnick" This is a little off topic. What are you doing this weekend Bob. There is a fathers day fly-in at Shrevesport (62PA) this weekend. It's only 23nm from 8n7 there will be at least two Kitfoxes and maybe a couple of Avids. Father's Day 2009 - at Shreveport North. Friday features the legendary Prime Rib buffet while Saturday is highlighted by the opening ceremonies including the newly introduced "Parade of Sports Cars" featuring an original Stanley Steamer, a Model T Ford and a Ford Model A, plus the members of the Pennsylvania Triumph Club. This is followed by pilot games and competitions and the kids favorite "A Bear from the Air". The Saturday Picnic starts around 4:00 PM and Bingo is at 6:00. The pool, the volley ball courts and the horseshoe pits are open all weekend and food is available throughout at the Cross Winds Cafe. There are free movies and popcorn on the flightline on Friday and Saturday evenings after sundown. As they say down south - "Ya' all come!" Here is a link to their website http://www.footlightranch.com/ Anyway I'll be there on Sat and would like to meet you. -------- Nick Weiskopf Norrisville, MD kitfox !V-1200 Rotax 912ul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249048#249048 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:43 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 From: "akflyerbob" I have a Kit fox Mod 1 and wish it had two holes to choose from. I think it depends on where your weight and balance came in. If it is forward, like mine, I would chose the lower one for more nose up. Mine varies with speed, slower is hold back pressure, faster, 75 or more, hold forward pressure and trim with flaps. Bob -------- Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska KF Mod I and III Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249355#249355 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:40 AM PST US From: skyflyte@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 I have a model II (#490), 509 lbs.,582 w/GSC 3 blade prop.=C2- I built it with the stablizer in the lower of the two holes and never had a reason to move it up.=C2- I trim it with the flapperons and always want just a bit of back pressure during straight & level flight. Mike Cannon do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "akflyerbob" Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:32:59 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 > I have a Kit fox Mod 1 and wish it had two holes to choose from. I think it depends on where your weight and balance came in. If it is forward, like mine, I would chose the lower one for more nose up. Mine varies with speed, slower is hold back pressure, faster, 75 or more, hold forward pressure and trim with flaps. Bob -------- Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska KF Mod I and III Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249355#249355 =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:02 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 The instructions say to use the lower hole...I would follow the instructions versus the local "expert" who probably ISN'T familiar with the Kitfox. On my plane I ended up drilling a hole even lower that the two provided...and I'm still using that same bottom hole, almost 700 hours later. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 680.8 hrs Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop Electroair direct-fire ignition system Status: flying On Jun 21, 2009, at 11:07 AM, Ed Gray wrote: > > Kitfoxers, I am about ready to test fly my KII width 582 and GSC 3 > blade > prop. This is a 1990 Kit I bought and started working on last spring. > Question: My horizontal stabilizer has two possible AOA settings, one > places the surface parallel to the horizontal tube in the vertical > fin. The > other hole places the leading edge one half inch lower. My build > manual > suggests that I start with the lower position for more nose up > trim. My > local "expert" says make it parallel. I have the cambered wing. Any > suggestions or advice? > > Ed Gray, Dallas > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kitfox- > List > Digest Server > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 1:59 AM > To: Kitfox-List Digest List > Subject: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 > > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Kitfox-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked > Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII > version > of the Kitfox-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php? > Style=82701&View=html&Chapter > 09-06-18&Archive=Kitfox > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php? > Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter > 2009-06-18&Archive=Kitfox > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Kitfox-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Thu 06/18/09: 1 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 07:26 PM - Re: WiebeFox Lite? (kitfoxnick) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:26:05 PM PST US > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: WiebeFox Lite? > From: "kitfoxnick" > > > This is a little off topic. What are you doing this weekend Bob. > There is > a fathers > day fly-in at Shrevesport (62PA) this weekend. It's only 23nm from > 8n7 > there will be at least two Kitfoxes and maybe a couple of Avids. > > Father's Day 2009 - at Shreveport North. Friday features the > legendary > Prime > Rib buffet while Saturday is highlighted by the opening ceremonies > including > the > newly introduced "Parade of Sports Cars" featuring an original Stanley > Steamer, > a Model T Ford and a Ford Model A, plus the members of the > Pennsylvania > Triumph > Club. This is followed by pilot games and competitions and the kids > favorite > "A Bear from the Air". The Saturday Picnic starts around 4:00 PM > and Bingo > is at 6:00. The pool, the volley ball courts and the horseshoe > pits are > open all weekend and food is available throughout at the Cross > Winds Cafe. > There > are free movies and popcorn on the flightline on Friday and Saturday > evenings > after sundown. As they say down south - "Ya' all come!" > > Here is a link to their website http://www.footlightranch.com/ > > Anyway I'll be there on Sat and would like to meet you. > > -------- > Nick Weiskopf > Norrisville, MD > kitfox !V-1200 > Rotax 912ul > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249048#249048 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:40 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Fwd: Avid Gear From: Don Hudgeon I am I new poster and have a few questions in reference to the discussion on landing gear and bungees. I am seriously considering purchasing an Avid MK 4 with about 160 hours total time. It has Stratus EA81 and lengthened fuselage. The truss assembly shown in the pics has been bent and obviously been repaired quite poorly. I have checked with Airdale and they now have a updated version available from heavier wall 5/8 tubing. Airdale advises they have supplied about 3 or 4 of these just this spring! Anyway someone here has stated that this is a most difficult structural repair to make. Have any of you ever done this and what should I be on the lookout for. Also can anyone give me an opinion as to what else I should be suspecting or is this a fairly common failure to this truss. You comments are WELCOME!!! Hope the pic is OK Cheers Don ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:07:25 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 At 08:07 AM 6/21/2009, you wrote: >My build manual >suggests that I start with the lower position for more nose up trim. My >local "expert" says make it parallel. I have the cambered wing. Any >suggestions or advice? You've got a light engine and prop. The CG is probably fairly far back.This usually leads to a desire for less negative incidence on the horizontal. (i.e. parallel) I run my horizontal as high in the front as I can. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 300 hrs. and counting ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:00 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fwd: Avid Gear From: "Tom Jones" > Have any of you ever done this and what should I be on the lookout for. I haven't replaced a bungee truss myself but I have talked with the old Skystar factory welder that has replaced them in a kitfox. The welder said it is not a difficult job for someone that knows how to do it. The thing to watch out for is the fuselage can " flex out of alignment" when the old truss is cut out and must be "Tweaked" back when welding the new one in. By the looks of that one the fuselage may already be tweaked. I would ask Airdale if they have the specifications and method to measure/check the fuselage. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249406#249406 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:09 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 From: "Tom Jones" Ed, this may be apples and oranges as my experience is in a Classic 4. It has three front horizontal stab mount holes spaced 1/2 inch between each. With the front stab mount bolt in the top hole it takes a slight one finger back pressure on the stick to maintain level flight. In the middle hole it takes a slight one finger foreward pressure to maintain level. That kitfox is designed to trim the nose down with a little bit of flaps. For best rigging you are looking for a slight forward pressure on the stick to maintain level flight. Then you can trim the nose down to level with a little bit of flaps. Anyhow it shouldn't be a significant problem to fly with either, you'll just have to try it and see where it flys best. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249413#249413 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:18 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: mismatched egt's From: "WurlyBird" I doubt this is the case since you say your plugs are also indicating the difference, but it could be exasperating the situation. My EGT display went bad and started indicating 75+ degrees difference. The first test I did was swap wires from the front and rear exhaust ports. Left needle was higher then the right before and after the swap so I knew it was the instrument which prevented me from digging into the carbs (that day at least). Good luck with it. James -------- James Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop Just about ready to take my check ride. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249440#249440 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:45 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: lexan From: "WurlyBird" Not that it matters to me because I did it anyway when I replaced my windshield, but shouldn't ALL holes be drilled a little larger then the hardware going through it to allow for expansion and contraction? I think I used a 1/4" bit foe 10-32 hardware and it had about the right wiggle room. -------- James Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop Just about ready to take my check ride. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249442#249442 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:09 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Gross weight VS DA From: "WurlyBird" I am not sure if I just got spoiled learning to fly my KF3 during winter/spring and then taking a little break or what but here is what I am wondering. The KF would climb pretty good, about 500+ fpm with 360 pounds of pilots and about 10 gallons when it was cool out, 50-65 F on the ground. I fly out of a field that is almost always between 500 and 800 feet PA and usually fly 500-1500 agl. I was down for a while and went flying this weekend when it was about 85 F and the thing climbed, with the same pilot load and about half the fuel, like a fat anemic pig. I barely got 300 fpm and it felt like it wanted to fall down rather then climb. How much does DA cripple this plane? What kind of DA do you fly at where you still feel like you have good climb authority? I actually climbed up to 5000 msl and everything handled like I was more accustomed to although it still didn't climb like the home-sick angel I am used to. What is "normal" as you go through the seasons with this plane? -------- James Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop Just about ready to take my check ride. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249456#249456 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:39 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gross weight VS DA At 08:30 PM 6/21/2009, you wrote: >I barely got 300 fpm and it felt like it wanted to fall down rather >then climb. How much does DA cripple this plane? What kind of DA >do you fly at where you still feel like you have good climb authority? James, I had a good laugh with your post. Try laying off for a while, then loading to gross to go on a long cross country. I actually put mine back down once because I was CERTAIN I wasn't getting full power. Well, I wasn't. (DA + weight =, you know.) After some reflection and some ground runs I realized I was getting all I could expect and took off "like a fat anemic pig". One caveat, however. You have a 582, like I do. I have noticed that when the DA is up, if I lean before launch I can sometimes dramatically improve my performance. (I've got HACman.) Check your EGT's on launch. Make sure they're over 1000F. You may have to do some re-jetting. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 300 hrs. and counting ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.