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1. 01:52 AM - Re: 582 stuck (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
2. 03:53 AM - Re: Re: Kreem Problem Again...off topic (Lynn Matteson)
3. 03:54 AM - Re: Re:Oshkosh plans (Lynn Matteson)
4. 07:15 AM - Fuel Tanks (Don Hudgeon)
5. 07:49 AM - Re: 582 stuck (Noel)
6. 08:36 AM - Re: Fuel Tanks (Noel)
7. 08:36 AM - Re: 582 stuck (Mark Napier (napierm))
8. 08:55 AM - Re: Kreem Problem Again (Mark Napier (napierm))
9. 01:26 PM - owner performed maintenance (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
10. 01:57 PM - Re: owner performed maintenance (Bob Brennan)
11. 03:56 PM - Re: owner performed maintenance (Guy Buchanan)
12. 04:44 PM - Re: owner performed maintenance (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
13. 04:44 PM - Mod IV wheels and brakes (Dave G)
14. 04:56 PM - Re: Mod IV wheels and brakes (Dwight Purdy)
15. 06:19 PM - Re: Re:Oshkosh plans (kirk hull)
16. 07:30 PM - Re: Mod IV wheels and brakes (patrick reilly)
17. 07:31 PM - Re: Mod IV wheels and brakes (dave)
18. 07:32 PM - Full lotus 1220s Kitfox Rigging (dave)
19. 07:35 PM - Re: 582 stuck (dave)
20. 07:39 PM - Re: Kreem Problem Again (dave)
21. 07:41 PM - Re: Mod IV wheels and brakes (dave)
22. 07:56 PM - Re: Re:Oshkosh plans (Lynn Matteson)
23. 08:21 PM - Re: Mod IV wheels and brakes (Lowell Fitt)
24. 09:23 PM - Re: Re: Mod IV wheels and brakes (Dwight Purdy)
25. 09:43 PM - Re: Mod IV wheels and brakes (Dwight Purdy)
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Remove spark plugs and try to pull prop through by hand, pour small amount
of Marvel Mystery Oil or common automatic transmission fluid into cylinders
through spark plug holes, wait overnight, pull prop through by hand.
Check compression reading, look for damage, missing tools.
In a message dated 7/14/2009 1:20:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bnn@nethere.com writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
At 08:23 PM 7/13/2009, you wrote:
>Now the engine is stuck! Temps appx 60 deg. Help !
>Any ideas.?
Hydraulic lock? Any chance one of the cases has filled with fuel or
water or oil? Pull the exhaust at the elbow and look for fluid coming
out the exhaust port. It sounds like, at a minimum, you'll have to
pull the top end apart to check for seizure, leaks, and hydraulic lock.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting
**************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy
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| Subject: | Re: Kreem Problem Again...off topic |
I'll keep that in mind, Patrick. Last year, I stopped at the Brodhead
fly-in on Saturday, then headed out for Osh come Sunday morning. The
weather was getting bad by the time I got to Brodhead, so that was a
good place to put down, as well as having some local friends already
there.
In that case...Baraboo...I may have to think about leaving here on
Friday.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 702 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Jul 13, 2009, at 8:28 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> Lynn, Jim Clement has a fly in at Baraboo WI usually that weekend
> for Whittman Tailwinds on the way to Oshkosh. You might be
> interested in that. I stopped there last year on the way home from
> Door County. It was very interesting. Clement is the Tailwind guru
> since Steve Whittman died. Jim has built 13 or 14 of the Tailwinds
> with his own modifications and is a master craftsman.
> do not archive
> Pat
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| Subject: | Re:Oshkosh plans |
I agree, Kirk. In fact, I was checking out the merchandise at one of
the Brodhead tables, and there was a T-shirt with a Kitfox on it. It
was used as the official T-shirt of the 2006, I think, Brodhead fly-
in. I bought their last one. The depiction was of a real Kitfox,
complete with an N-number....maybe someone knows whose plane it is.
If I can find it...it's either in the wash, or scheduled for it.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 702 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Jul 13, 2009, at 9:18 PM, kirk hull wrote:
> I also will be leave Kansas City on Sat the weekend before they
> open, and stay for 4-5 days. However I plan to stop at Brodhead WI
> for the pete flyin. You can camp on the field for free eat dinner
> and breakfast with the eaa chapter and then make a short hop to OSH
> in on sun. If you have never been to Brodhead you will be amazed
> at the aircraft there and it is a Kitfox kind of airfield/ grass.
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:28 PM
> To: kitfox matronics
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kreem Problem Again
>
>
> Lynn, Jim Clement has a fly in at Baraboo WI usually that weekend
> for Whittman Tailwinds on the way to Oshkosh. You might be
> interested in that. I stopped there last year on the way home from
> Door County. It was very interesting. Clement is the Tailwind guru
> since Steve Whittman died. Jim has built 13 or 14 of the Tailwinds
> with his own modifications and is a master craftsman.
> do not archive
> Pat
>
> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kreem Problem Again
> > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:40:23 -0400
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > I'm probably going to leave here on Sat or Sun, the weekend before
> > they open, and stay for 4-5 days. I like to get there before the
> good
> > spots in homebuilt camping are all gone. By good spots, that means
> > close to the showers/johns, but more importantly the ICE!
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 702 hrs
> > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > Status: flying
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jul 13, 2009, at 3:59 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> >
> > > Lynn, What is your Oshkosh schedule? do not archive
> > >
> > > Pat Reilly
> > > Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> > > Rockford, IL
> > >
> > > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kreem Problem Again
> > > > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:22:20 -0400
> > > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > >
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> > > >
> > > > No leads on an alcohol-proof sealer, but just curious about your
> > > > statement "There are internal surfaces in the tank that will
> > > never be
> > > > reached by a sloshing operation"....I'm not sure what you
> mean by
> > > > this. And if you took the top off the tank, how would you
> ever seal
> > > > the inside seam where you re-joined the tank top?
> > > >
> > > > All this worry about resisting the alcohol in mogas makes me
> wonder
> > > > why people don't bite the bullet and use 100LL....it's safe,
> > > > convenient to airports, doesn't eat through (most) fuel
> tanks, and
> > > > until they do, it's the fuel that the Feds haven't mucked around
> > > > with...YET! I'm not rich, but I'd rather pay the little extra
> for
> > > > 100LL, and FLY, rather than putz around with fuel tank problems.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lynn Matteson
> > > > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > > > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 701.3 hrs
> > > > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> > > > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > > > Status: flying
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Mark Napier (napierm) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > <napierm@cisco.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Paul,
> > > > >
> > > > (snip)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Now I have a different problem. I want to make my tanks
> alcohol-
> > > proof
> > > > > and don't know how to do it short of buying new tanks from
> Kitfox.
> > > > > Not
> > > > > sure if any of the tank sealing products are really up to it.
> > > > > There are
> > > > > internal surfaces in the tank that will never be reached by a
> > > sloshing
> > > > > operation so to do it right would mean taking the top off of
> > > the tank
> > > > > and coating it inside with something. What that something is I
> > > don't
> > > > > know.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any one have some solid leads?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark Napier
> > > >
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I have some questions concerning fiberglass fuel tanks and auto fuel. I am
considering the purchase of an Avid MK4 that is a 1992 model. The kit was
first flown in 2005 and as far as I know has used auto fuel since then. I am
not sure about the history of the tanks as the builder is deceased.It has
about 170 hrs on the tach. Can anyone tell me how long it takes for the auto
fuel to damage the tank? How do I tell if there is damage? Is this Kreem
procedure discussed here the best way to protect or repair the tanks? I will
be exporting to Canada, so will be able to use non-ethanol fuel from now on.
Would appreciate comments and suggestions. Thaks. Don
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Will the engine turn over easily with one plug from each cylinder removed?
Is there any sign of fuel in the impulse line?
How do the plugs look?
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: 14 July 2009 02:44
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 582 stuck
At 08:23 PM 7/13/2009, you wrote:
>Now the engine is stuck! Temps appx 60 deg. Help !
>Any ideas.?
Hydraulic lock? Any chance one of the cases has filled with fuel or
water or oil? Pull the exhaust at the elbow and look for fluid coming
out the exhaust port. It sounds like, at a minimum, you'll have to
pull the top end apart to check for seizure, leaks, and hydraulic lock.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting
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I can't say too much about the tanks but the PM has passed legislation that
requires all service stations in Canada to sell 10% ethanol gas within the
next four years. Darned if I know how he is going to get the crap to remote
places or islands like Anticosti, Vancouver, Baffin or Newfoundland
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Hudgeon
Sent: 14 July 2009 11:22
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel Tanks
I have some questions concerning fiberglass fuel tanks and auto fuel. I am
considering the purchase of an Avid MK4 that is a 1992 model. The kit was
first flown in 2005 and as far as I know has used auto fuel since then. I am
not sure about the history of the tanks as the builder is deceased.It has
about 170 hrs on the tach. Can anyone tell me how long it takes for the auto
fuel to damage the tank? How do I tell if there is damage? Is this Kreem
procedure discussed here the best way to protect or repair the tanks? I will
be exporting to Canada, so will be able to use non-ethanol fuel from now on.
Would appreciate comments and suggestions. Thaks. Don
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Hey Cecil,
It sure sounds like that engine is severely seized. I can't imagine
what could stop the prop from turning unless a piston is stuck. Since
this is a water cooled engine it can damage the piston and cylinder wall
and not show much rise in water temperature.
My engine EGT's were always very cold on the ground, never much over
1000 even at high power. In the air as the engine unloads is where the
EGT's rise to 1100. 1200 is red line.
Take the top end apart and start looking at the cylinder walls. You
should see a pretty cross-hatch pattern with no deep vertical scratches.
Also check the pistons for galling and damage. The rings should be
free. If there is damage it probably means shipping your cylinders off
to South Mississippi for work.
Good Luck,
Mark Napier
Time: 08:28:06 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: 582 stuck
From: Cecil Stokesberry <stokesc@wildblue.net>
My 582 is stuck. I have put considerable force on the prop and it
simply will not move the engine (some movement due to the gear
box slop).
During the winter (temp appx 50 degrees) I broke in the engine using
rotax procedure. Every thing normal. No overheat or high EGT's
noted. Ran engine another half/hour checking things out. Replaced
bad EGT gage. Weather and other things kept the plane in the garage.
Began taxi testing in June. Engine starts nicely and after shutdown
hand swinging the prop can easily move the engine (temps appx 75 deg).
Then after a few taxi test of about 15 minutes, I noticed after shutdown
when hand swinging the prop it was stuck but could be easily forced
to move the engine. Temps are now appx 85 degrees. Water temp
stays at 175 deg and EGTs between 1100 and 1250 during the taxi runs.
Taxi runs are short - the runway is 2000' on grass.
Its has been raining so have not run the engine for a few days.
Now the engine is stuck! Temps appx 60 deg. Help !
Any ideas.?
Using premium car gas 91 Oct with no ethanol.
I purchased the kit and engine in 1992.
Engine has been stored as I received it. First run of engine in 2008
I have not flown airplane yet - still trying to qualify for insurance.
Cecil in North Idaho
Kitfox Md4 1050
582 grey head C box
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| Subject: | Re: Kreem Problem Again |
Thanks Tim,
Thank you, this is exactly what I'm looking for.
On the 12 gallon tank there is an internal baffle(s ??) that really
can't be coated with a slosh. Not unless you poured in about half a
tank's worth.
I should be able to pry off the lid, clean, sand, coat every thing with
a very thin layer of glass and that epoxy, and put it back together with
the same epoxy. Apparently the tank also needs to be jigged to twist it
slightly one way or the other depending on if it is a left or right
tank.
I guess if the top seam leaks it could then be sloshed around the rim
with the same stuff to seal it.
It does sound like work but much cheaper than new tanks.
As for 100LL, Rotax engines don't like leaded fuel, esp. the 2-cycles.
On that I speak from experience. I know this is a whole other long
debate, but they really don't. The ideal is high octane car gas which
our *stupid* government is driving out of existence. I'm installing a
HKS engine and it doesn't like 100LL much either. You can run it but it
needs a different oil and have to change that oil every 25 hours to try
to prevent the lead deposits. Kind of like cholesterol in the arteries.
None is better.
Cheers,
Mark Napier
Time: 11:59:41 AM PST US
From: TIM VADER <vadert@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kreem Problem Again
Mark
I used this product. I phoned Caswell and they assured me that it was
ethanol
resistant. Methanol, they weren't so sure about.
http://www.caswellplating.com/aids/epoxygas.htm
Tim Vader
Kitfox IV
GPASC VW
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| Subject: | owner performed maintenance |
Bought a kit and wondered what you can do yourself? Here's a brief article that
describes those 31 allowable things you can do if you hold a pilot's certificate
under
part 61.
<http://www.globalair.com/articles/cox/article.asp>
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
"Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the
nation because the people were so poor. Now we are told we must
collectivize the nation because the people are so rich."
-- National Review founder William F. Buckley Jr. (1925-2008)
If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what
it costs when it's free!
-- P.J. O'Rourke
"Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you
resolve."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| Subject: | owner performed maintenance |
Note that in the "It's an Experimental, but I didn't build it myself."
section the author has missed one very important recent change to the rules:
if you buy or own an ELSA (Experimental Light Sport) certificated aircraft
you can take a 16 hour course and earn a Repairman's Certificate that has
all the privileges and advantages of being the repairman for the kit plane
you built yourself.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Franz -
Merlin GT
Sent: 14 July 2009 4:20 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: owner performed maintenance
<paul@eucleides.com>
Bought a kit and wondered what you can do yourself? Here's a brief article
that
describes those 31 allowable things you can do if you hold a pilot's
certificate under
part 61.
<http://www.globalair.com/articles/cox/article.asp>
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
"Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the
nation because the people were so poor. Now we are told we must
collectivize the nation because the people are so rich."
-- National Review founder William F. Buckley Jr. (1925-2008)
If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what
it costs when it's free!
-- P.J. O'Rourke
"Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you
resolve."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| Subject: | Re: owner performed maintenance |
At 01:19 PM 7/14/2009, you wrote:
>Bought a kit and wondered what you can do yourself?
I'm confused. If you bought a kit, and you finish it, you can do ALL
the maintenance. If you bought an experimental aircraft you can do
everything BUT the annual. (Conditional inspection.)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting
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| Subject: | Re: owner performed maintenance |
On Tue, July 14, 2009 3:53 pm, Guy Buchanan wrote:
>
> At 01:19 PM 7/14/2009, you wrote:
>>Bought a kit and wondered what you can do yourself?
>
> I'm confused. If you bought a kit, and you finish it, you can do ALL
> the maintenance.
...and the conditional inspection too as long as you applied for and were granted
the
Repairman's Certificate.
> If you bought an experimental aircraft you can do
> everything BUT the annual. (Conditional inspection.)
If you buy an experimental aircraft built by someone else, you have no additional
rights at all, just the 31 things you can do on any aircraft certificated or
otherwise.
The article didn't address Light Sport Aircraft fully as Bob Brennan pointed out.
You can only do those 31 specified tasks if you are a pilot having attained a license
under part 61. Not just anybody can do the limited routine maintenance. Seems odd
to
me that they restrict any activity requiring you to recompute weight and balance
yet
being able to do so is a specific requirement under part 61.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible
from
one party of the citizens to give to the other.
-- Voltaire (1764)
PARODY EXPRESSED - GOV'T IN 2009
A fellow citizen recently offered this parody on our elected Federal
Government: "I think the government will do a better job of spending my money
than I could. When we pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq, I know the Islamic
terrorists will stop trying to kill us. I believe people who can't tell us if
it will rain in two or three days can now tell us the polar ice caps will
disappear in a century if we don't comply with Orwellian government economic
oversight. English has no place being the official language in America. I'd
rather pay $4 for a gallon of gas than allow drilling for oil off the coasts of
America or in that vast Alaskan wasteland, ANWR. 'Big Oil's' five-percent
profit on a gallon of gas is obscene, but the government tax of 18 to 35
percent on the same gallon of gas is just fine."
The parody continues: "I believe businesses in America should not be allowed to
make profit -- it should be confiscated by the government so politicians and
bureaucrats can redistribute that profit as they see fit. I believe guns cause
crimes and murder, not the sociopaths using them, and, thus, should be
confiscated. Besides, when someone threatens my family, I know the government
can respond faster with a call to 911 than I can with a gun in my hand. We
should be able to marry whomever or whatever we want. It's a right to kill
millions of babies while objecting to the death penalty for murderers. I
believe five elitist liberal judges should rewrite the Constitution by diktat
to suit Leftist agendas that could never pass proper amendment. Freedom of
speech and religion are fine as long as nobody is offended by it."
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| Subject: | Mod IV wheels and brakes |
I have a Mod IV with 8" aluminum wheels that have a 3 lug iron disc
bolted to them. I have not flown this yet but wanted to rebuild the
brakes.
After installing the Matco rebuild kit and bolting it all back together
I noticed that neither disc runs true with about 1/8" or more of radial
runout. Both run true axially.
I can't detect any real damage to this setup and wondered is this
typical of Kitfox's. How does it affect braking?
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| Subject: | Re: Mod IV wheels and brakes |
I have had that problem after the tires were changed and they bent the
rims. I re-cut the lugs some and shimmed the one that did not clean up.
The brakes do not work well if the run out much.
Dwight Purdy
Model II
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 7:22 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Mod IV wheels and brakes
I have a Mod IV with 8" aluminum wheels that have a 3 lug iron disc
bolted to them. I have not flown this yet but wanted to rebuild the
brakes.
After installing the Matco rebuild kit and bolting it all back
together I noticed that neither disc runs true with about 1/8" or more
of radial runout. Both run true axially.
I can't detect any real damage to this setup and wondered is this
typical of Kitfox's. How does it affect braking?
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| Subject: | Re:Oshkosh plans |
If it was a white fox then it is based on the field in Brodhead the owned
is the guy who laid out the shirts that year and is a member of the local
eaa chapter. I have 1 of those shirts as well. Here is the link to some
info about the show
http://www.pietenpols.org/id5.html
I will be staying the night on the field but unfortunately will be driving
up as 205AK is in need of some repairs. If you see a camp site with a red
grand prix stop by. I was also wondering if there were any Kitfox get
together's planned for OSH
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re:Oshkosh plans
I agree, Kirk. In fact, I was checking out the merchandise at one of
the Brodhead tables, and there was a T-shirt with a Kitfox on it. It
was used as the official T-shirt of the 2006, I think, Brodhead fly-
in. I bought their last one. The depiction was of a real Kitfox,
complete with an N-number....maybe someone knows whose plane it is.
If I can find it...it's either in the wash, or scheduled for it.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 702 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Jul 13, 2009, at 9:18 PM, kirk hull wrote:
> I also will be leave Kansas City on Sat the weekend before they
> open, and stay for 4-5 days. However I plan to stop at Brodhead WI
> for the pete flyin. You can camp on the field for free eat dinner
> and breakfast with the eaa chapter and then make a short hop to OSH
> in on sun. If you have never been to Brodhead you will be amazed
> at the aircraft there and it is a Kitfox kind of airfield/ grass.
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of patrick reilly
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:28 PM
> To: kitfox matronics
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kreem Problem Again
>
>
> Lynn, Jim Clement has a fly in at Baraboo WI usually that weekend
> for Whittman Tailwinds on the way to Oshkosh. You might be
> interested in that. I stopped there last year on the way home from
> Door County. It was very interesting. Clement is the Tailwind guru
> since Steve Whittman died. Jim has built 13 or 14 of the Tailwinds
> with his own modifications and is a master craftsman.
> do not archive
> Pat
>
> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kreem Problem Again
> > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:40:23 -0400
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > I'm probably going to leave here on Sat or Sun, the weekend before
> > they open, and stay for 4-5 days. I like to get there before the
> good
> > spots in homebuilt camping are all gone. By good spots, that means
> > close to the showers/johns, but more importantly the ICE!
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 702 hrs
> > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > Status: flying
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jul 13, 2009, at 3:59 PM, patrick reilly wrote:
> >
> > > Lynn, What is your Oshkosh schedule? do not archive
> > >
> > > Pat Reilly
> > > Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> > > Rockford, IL
> > >
> > > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kreem Problem Again
> > > > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:22:20 -0400
> > > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > >
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> > > >
> > > > No leads on an alcohol-proof sealer, but just curious about your
> > > > statement "There are internal surfaces in the tank that will
> > > never be
> > > > reached by a sloshing operation"....I'm not sure what you
> mean by
> > > > this. And if you took the top off the tank, how would you
> ever seal
> > > > the inside seam where you re-joined the tank top?
> > > >
> > > > All this worry about resisting the alcohol in mogas makes me
> wonder
> > > > why people don't bite the bullet and use 100LL....it's safe,
> > > > convenient to airports, doesn't eat through (most) fuel
> tanks, and
> > > > until they do, it's the fuel that the Feds haven't mucked around
> > > > with...YET! I'm not rich, but I'd rather pay the little extra
> for
> > > > 100LL, and FLY, rather than putz around with fuel tank problems.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lynn Matteson
> > > > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > > > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 701.3 hrs
> > > > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> > > > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > > > Status: flying
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Mark Napier (napierm) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > <napierm@cisco.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Paul,
> > > > >
> > > > (snip)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Now I have a different problem. I want to make my tanks
> alcohol-
> > > proof
> > > > > and don't know how to do it short of buying new tanks from
> Kitfox.
> > > > > Not
> > > > > sure if any of the tank sealing products are really up to it.
> > > > > There are
> > > > > internal surfaces in the tank that will never be reached by a
> > > sloshing
> > > > > operation so to do it right would mean taking the top off of
> > > the tank
> > > > > and coating it inside with something. What that something is I
> > > don't
> > > > > know.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any one have some solid leads?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark Napier
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| Subject: | Mod IV wheels and brakes |
Dave=2C The Mod 3 I am rebuilding had a 1/16" aluminum shim between the bra
ke disc and the rim on one mounting bolt. The wheels I have are pretty well
beat up so it isn't surprising the disc is shimmed. But=2C that would be w
hat you call axial run out I think. Seems like 1/8 " radial run out would b
e quite alot of radial run out. I don't know how you would correct radial r
unout except to relocate & redrill 3 new mounting holes in the disc=2C if I
am understanding your radial=2C axial terminology.
Pat Reilly
mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford=2C IL
From: dpurdy@comteck.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mod IV wheels and brakes
I have had that problem after the tires were changed and they bent the rims
. I re-cut the lugs some and shimmed the one that did not clean up. The bra
kes do not work well if the run out much.
Dwight Purdy
Model II
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G
Sent: Tuesday=2C July 14=2C 2009 7:22 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Mod IV wheels and brakes
I have a Mod IV with 8" aluminum wheels that have a 3 lug iron disc bolted
to them. I have not flown this yet but wanted to rebuild the brakes.
After installing the Matco rebuild kit and bolting it all back together I n
oticed that neither disc runs true with about 1/8" or more of radial runout
. Both run true axially.
I can't detect any real damage to this setup and wondered is this typical o
f Kitfox's. How does it affect braking?
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| Subject: | Re: Mod IV wheels and brakes |
Dave,
Question is what it not running true ?
Wheel , hub or tabs welded on........ Put on a lathe and spin it.
Go from there.
Rotor itself likely not the cause.
Dave
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| Subject: | Full lotus 1220s Kitfox Rigging |
http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=131
Ready to bolt on -- 1 hours and you on floats.
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Did you break in with pre mix?
Has the oil level gone done in the pre mix bottle ?
Rather than pulling off the top end just pull the exhaust and /or Y pipe to look
at cylinders. You will see scoring if there is any.
Could be hydraulic locked.... has the fuel level gone done?
That a good start
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Kreem Problem Again |
> As for 100LL, Rotax engines don't like leaded fuel, esp. the 2-cycles.
> On that I speak from experience. I know this is a whole other long
> debate, but they really don't. The ideal is high octane car gas which
> our *stupid* government is driving out of existence. I'm installing a
> HKS engine and it doesn't like 100LL much either. You can run it but it
> needs a different oil and have to change that oil every 25 hours to try
> to prevent the lead deposits. Kind of like cholesterol in the arteries.
> None is better.
Rotax has approved 10% ethanol usage. 503 582 912 ul
I have no Kreem in my wing tanks and I have no problems using regular grade auto
ethanol gas. You do not need over regular grade gas in the above engines.
AVGAS is ok from time to time but certainly not a good thing for your Rotax engine.
If my tanks die i going to try wingtanks.com tanks . Has anyone used these?
I got 2 more Kitfoxes in that want them installed.
??
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| Subject: | Re: Mod IV wheels and brakes |
[quote="dwight purdy"]I have had that problem after the tires were changed and
they bent the rims. I re-cut the lugs some and shimmed the one that did not
clean up. The brakes do not work well if the run out much.
Dwight Purdy
Model II
> ---
HArd to bend ATV wheels if you use the correct tools.
http://www.cfisher.com/kingfox.html
Dave
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| Subject: | Re:Oshkosh plans |
I just found the shirt in question....I thought it had the year on
it, but it doesn't. It does say: Brodhead Airport (above the plane)
and then below: Chapter 431, Experimental Aircraft Association. The
Kitfox IS white, N99GC. and says "Stars and Stripes Forever" on the
side. But you knew that, Kirk, having the shirt.
A bunch of Kitfox's....6-8....usually camp in the Homebuilt Camping
area, scattered somewhere around rows 309-311, and maybe a few rows
in either direction. At least this has been the case for the last 2
years that I have flown up there. Another group of about 8 parks near
the flight line, near the Homebuilt Registration building, but can
not camp there. They get there about Thursday or Friday before the
show opens, I am told.
John and Debra McBean usually have a supper thing about Thurs or Fri
night at a pub near the airport.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 704.4 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Jul 14, 2009, at 9:15 PM, kirk hull wrote:
>
> If it was a white fox then it is based on the field in Brodhead
> the owned
> is the guy who laid out the shirts that year and is a member of the
> local
> eaa chapter. I have 1 of those shirts as well. Here is the link
> to some
> info about the show
>
> http://www.pietenpols.org/id5.html
>
> I will be staying the night on the field but unfortunately will be
> driving
> up as 205AK is in need of some repairs. If you see a camp site
> with a red
> grand prix stop by. I was also wondering if there were any Kitfox get
> together's planned for OSH
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| Subject: | Re: Mod IV wheels and brakes |
Dave,
I'll take a stab at this. First, as I understand your post, when you spin
the wheels, the brake linings run true with the disk as it spins,but the
disk dances up and down between the linings. If this is the case, I think
the worst case scenario would be a slight out of balance when you leave the
ground and the wheel continues to spin a bit.
Many guys trim the brake disk in a fashon that eliminates all metal not
touching the linings with three tabs that connect to the bolts. You could
do this by marking the disks as they spin and using a metal cutting band
saw. The metal is cast iron and cuts pretty easily.
I just re-read your post and it appears that they might already be trimmed.
If so try rotating them by 1/3rd and see if this trues it a bit. Are you
the original buider? If they they are trimmed and don't run true, I don't
think braking would be seriously affected as some will drill lightening
holes in the braking face without diminishing brake effeciency. The latter
is just an opinion, though.
If I misunderstood what is not running true, disregard.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
Covering
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G" <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 4:22 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Mod IV wheels and brakes
I have a Mod IV with 8" aluminum wheels that have a 3 lug iron disc bolted
to them. I have not flown this yet but wanted to rebuild the brakes.
After installing the Matco rebuild kit and bolting it all back together I
noticed that neither disc runs true with about 1/8" or more of radial
runout. Both run true axially.
I can't detect any real damage to this setup and wondered is this typical of
Kitfox's. How does it affect braking?
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| Subject: | Re: Mod IV wheels and brakes |
Dave
I have never been able brake down the tire from rim after installed with
that black goo. The place I take them used to do a nice job. I think the new
young hires are the problem. This is not strictly an ATV shop but they do
allot of small lawn tires. Those are steel though.
Dwight Purdy
model II
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:39 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Mod IV wheels and brakes
>
> [quote="dwight purdy"]I have had that problem after the tires were
> changed and they bent the rims. I re-cut the lugs some and shimmed the one
> that did not clean up. The brakes do not work well if the run out much.
>
> Dwight Purdy
> Model II
>
>> ---
>
>
> HArd to bend ATV wheels if you use the correct tools.
>
> http://www.cfisher.com/kingfox.html
>
>
> Dave
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> http://www.cfisher.com/
> Awesome *New Forum *
> http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/
> Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253065#253065
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mod IV wheels and brakes |
I guess I had axial and radial turned around.
Dwight Purdy
model II
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Mod IV wheels and brakes
>
> Dave,
>
> I'll take a stab at this. First, as I understand your post, when you spin
> the wheels, the brake linings run true with the disk as it spins,but the
> disk dances up and down between the linings. If this is the case, I think
> the worst case scenario would be a slight out of balance when you leave
> the ground and the wheel continues to spin a bit.
>
> Many guys trim the brake disk in a fashon that eliminates all metal not
> touching the linings with three tabs that connect to the bolts. You could
> do this by marking the disks as they spin and using a metal cutting band
> saw. The metal is cast iron and cuts pretty easily.
>
> I just re-read your post and it appears that they might already be
> trimmed. If so try rotating them by 1/3rd and see if this trues it a bit.
> Are you the original buider? If they they are trimmed and don't run true,
> I don't think braking would be seriously affected as some will drill
> lightening holes in the braking face without diminishing brake effeciency.
> The latter is just an opinion, though.
>
> If I misunderstood what is not running true, disregard.
>
> Lowell Fitt
> Cameron Park, CA
> Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
> Covering
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave G" <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 4:22 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Mod IV wheels and brakes
>
>
> I have a Mod IV with 8" aluminum wheels that have a 3 lug iron disc bolted
> to them. I have not flown this yet but wanted to rebuild the brakes.
>
> After installing the Matco rebuild kit and bolting it all back together I
> noticed that neither disc runs true with about 1/8" or more of radial
> runout. Both run true axially.
>
> I can't detect any real damage to this setup and wondered is this typical
> of Kitfox's. How does it affect braking?
>
>
>
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