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1. 05:11 AM - Re: Re:Oshkosh plans (W Duke)
2. 05:24 AM - Re: owner performed maintenance (Catz631@aol.com)
3. 05:37 AM - Taking off from your backyard (Jeffrey Dill)
4. 06:43 AM - Re: Taking off from your backyard (fox5flyer)
5. 06:54 AM - Re: Taking off from your backyard (mic thiessen)
6. 07:30 AM - Re: Taking off from your backyard (Tom Jones)
7. 08:15 AM - Re: owner performed maintenance (Ron Liebmann)
8. 08:15 AM - Re: owner performed maintenance (Ron Liebmann)
9. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Taking off from your backyard (fox5flyer)
10. 08:41 AM - Re: owner performed maintenance (fox5flyer)
11. 08:56 AM - Re: Re:Oshkosh plans (Lynn Matteson)
12. 08:56 AM - Re: owner performed maintenance (Bob Brennan)
13. 09:15 AM - Re: owner performed maintenance (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
14. 09:18 AM - Re: owner performed maintenance (Lynn Matteson)
15. 09:20 AM - Re: Taking off from your backyard (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
16. 09:45 AM - Re: owner performed maintenance (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
17. 10:48 AM - Re: owner performed maintenance (Bob Brennan)
18. 10:57 AM - Re: Re:Oshkosh plans (W Duke)
19. 11:43 AM - Re: owner performed maintenance (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
20. 11:45 AM - Re: Taking off from your backyard (Randy Daughenbaugh)
21. 12:26 PM - Re: owner performed maintenance (Bob Brennan)
22. 03:01 PM - Re: Taking off from your backyard (mic thiessen)
23. 03:43 PM - Re: owner performed maintenance (Guy Buchanan)
24. 04:14 PM - Re: Taking off from your backyard (bjones@dmv.com)
25. 06:11 PM - Re: owner performed maintenance (Jim Feldmann)
26. 07:25 PM - Arlington Fly-in (jdmcbean)
27. 07:46 PM - FW: Re: owner performed maintenance (Bob Brennan)
28. 09:06 PM - Re: Taking off from your backyard (jjprobasco@comcast.net)
29. 10:11 PM - 582 stuck-still (Cecil Stokesberry)
30. 10:16 PM - 582 gasket set on Ebay (Cecil Stokesberry)
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| Subject: | Re:Oshkosh plans |
Probably a silly question.- Is there food available on the field in the d
ays leading up to opening day of OshKosh?
Maxwell Duke
S6/TD/IO240
Dublin, GA
--- On Tue, 7/14/09, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re:Oshkosh plans
I just found the shirt in question....I thought it had the year on it, but
it doesn't. It does say:---Brodhead Airport (above the plane) and the
n below: Chapter 431, Experimental Aircraft Association.---The Kitfox
IS white, N99GC. and says "Stars and Stripes Forever" on the side. But you
knew that, Kirk, having the shirt.
A bunch of Kitfox's....6-8....usually camp in the Homebuilt Camping area, s
cattered somewhere around rows 309-311, and maybe a few rows in either dire
ction. At least this has been the case for the last 2 years that I have flo
wn up there. Another group of about 8 parks near the flight line, near the
Homebuilt Registration building, but can not camp there. They get there abo
ut Thursday or Friday before the show opens, I am told.
John and Debra McBean usually have a supper thing about Thurs or Fri night
at a pub near the airport.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 704.4 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Jul 14, 2009, at 9:15 PM, kirk hull wrote:
>
> If it was a white fox then it is based on the field in Brodhead---t
he owned
> is the guy who laid out the shirts that year and is a member of the local
> eaa chapter.- I have 1 of those shirts as well.---Here is the lin
k to some
> info about the show
>
> http://www.pietenpols.org/id5.html
>
> I will be staying the night on the field but unfortunately will be drivin
g
> up as 205AK is in need of some repairs.- If you see a camp site with a
red
> grand prix stop by.- I was also wondering if there were any Kitfox get
> together's planned for OSH
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: owner performed maintenance |
Guy is correct. If you buy an experimental and you are not the original
builder, you can do all the maintenance but have to have an A&P do the
annual(conditional). You do not have to be an A&P to do the maintenance items.
This
has been this way for about 40-50 years and has not changed. (certainly thru
the 10 experimentals I have owned)
There are some things that would have to have FAA/DAR approval( ie: new
airworthness cert.) but generally you can do it all.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Milton Fl
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| Subject: | Taking off from your backyard |
I am dreaming about a two year plan of relocating to near Hendersonville, TN and
either living at an airpark, or simply buying a house on a wheat field or pasture
and taking off from my backyard. The airpark guys want to sell me a lot
at a tremendous mark-up and justify it by all the red tape required to build even
a small airport these days. But I see a distinction between building an airport
and taking off from your backyard. I have learned that the determining factor
is less the FAA and more local government ordinances. Here is my question,
who should I ask or where should I look to find out if a property would allow
me to do this?
--------
Jeff Dill
Model 2
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253107#253107
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| Subject: | Re: Taking off from your backyard |
Jeff, you would probably be better off to buy a 20 or 40 acre piece and put
your own runway in, the bigger piece the better. Don't say a word to
anyone. Just do it. I put a hangar and intersecting runways in nearly 20
years ago on my 80 acre farm and nobody has ever said a word. If you start
asking questions people will start to dig and the first thing you know
somebody will object for whatever reasons they can think up and I'm sure you
can figure out where that will go. As the old saying goes, "If you can't
stand the answer, don't ask the question". Just do it.
FWIW
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Dill" <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 8:35 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Taking off from your backyard
> <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
>
> I am dreaming about a two year plan of relocating to near Hendersonville,
> TN and either living at an airpark, or simply buying a house on a wheat
> field or pasture and taking off from my backyard. The airpark guys want to
> sell me a lot at a tremendous mark-up and justify it by all the red tape
> required to build even a small airport these days. But I see a distinction
> between building an airport and taking off from your backyard. I have
> learned that the determining factor is less the FAA and more local
> government ordinances. Here is my question, who should I ask or where
> should I look to find out if a property would allow me to do this?
>
> --------
> Jeff Dill
> Model 2
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253107#253107
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| Subject: | Taking off from your backyard |
Hi Jeff
Thats a great idea. Not sure about the US but here in Canada you buy the la
nd...invite all the neigboers over for a BBQ...have your Kitfox visible and
let them ask questions...offer rides when you get your runway built and 99
% will not object and away you go. Have a yearly get together with your new
friends so they see how much fun you are having flying and invite more fly
ing friends with there planes and soon you have neigboers who love to watch
the planes come and go and can attach a face and a friend to aviation. Don
't do any barnstorming or stupid stunts over there homes and evryone is ha
ppy. After about 5 years you apply for permanent landing status and put you
r strip on the map and it is official. No problem...
mic
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Taking off from your backyard
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> Date: Wed=2C 15 Jul 2009 05:35:40 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
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to sell me a lot at a tremendous mark-up and justify it by all the red tape
required to build even a small airport these days. But I see a distinction
between building an airport and taking off from your backyard. I have lear
ned that the determining factor is less the FAA and more local government o
rdinances. Here is my question=2C who should I ask or where should I look t
o find out if a property would allow me to do this?
>
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> Model 2
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Taking off from your backyard |
There are cities and counties that have rules against "Airports". I would check
with them before buying property I intended to make a landing strip on.
If you have it put on the sectional chart then it is more difficult for someone
to shut it down later on.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253129#253129
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| Subject: | Re: owner performed maintenance |
When I received my FAA approval and got my paperwork for my Fox, I was told
that I had to apply for a specific, my plane only, A&P license which I did.
They told me that without it, I could not do my own condition inspection
even though I built the plane. Is this true? I have just assumed it to
be.
Ron
> At 01:19 PM 7/14/2009, you wrote:
>>Bought a kit and wondered what you can do yourself?
>
> I'm confused. If you bought a kit, and you finish it, you can do ALL the
> maintenance. If you bought an experimental aircraft you can do everything
> BUT the annual. (Conditional inspection.)
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: owner performed maintenance |
When I received my FAA approval and got my paperwork for my Fox, I was told
that I had to apply for a specific, my plane only, A&P license which I did.
They told me that without it, I could not do my own condition inspection
even though I built the plane. Is this true? I have just assumed it to
be.
Ron
> At 01:19 PM 7/14/2009, you wrote:
>>Bought a kit and wondered what you can do yourself?
>
> I'm confused. If you bought a kit, and you finish it, you can do ALL the
> maintenance. If you bought an experimental aircraft you can do everything
> BUT the annual. (Conditional inspection.)
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Taking off from your backyard |
Good advice before plonking down money, but I would ask around the local
airports before I'd go to the authorities with any questions about it. That
might make it come at their next meeting and if there wasn't a rule before,
there might be one soon. I'm sure it varies state to state, county to
county, and town to town. I know I'm sounding cynical, but I sure wouldn't
want it brought up in any meetings.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:27 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Taking off from your backyard
>
> There are cities and counties that have rules against "Airports". I
> would check with them before buying property I intended to make a landing
> strip on.
>
> If you have it put on the sectional chart then it is more difficult for
> someone to shut it down later on.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253129#253129
>
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| Subject: | Re: owner performed maintenance |
I think that is basically true, Ron, except that it's a Repairman's
Certificate rather than A&P. I think that if you don't tell your inspector
you want one and he doesn't offer it, you don't get one. You have to apply.
It's just a form.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Liebmann" <rliebmann@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: owner performed maintenance
>
> When I received my FAA approval and got my paperwork for my Fox, I was
> told that I had to apply for a specific, my plane only, A&P license which
> I did. They told me that without it, I could not do my own condition
> inspection even though I built the plane. Is this true? I have just
> assumed it to be.
>
> Ron
>
>
>> At 01:19 PM 7/14/2009, you wrote:
>>>Bought a kit and wondered what you can do yourself?
>>
>> I'm confused. If you bought a kit, and you finish it, you can do ALL the
>> maintenance. If you bought an experimental aircraft you can do everything
>> BUT the annual. (Conditional inspection.)
>>
>>
>> Guy Buchanan
>> San Diego, CA
>> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:Oshkosh plans |
I'm pretty sure that there is, but I've never arrived any earlier
than Sun before. I always take some snackin' stuff just in case,
though. Come to think of it, the Red Barn is open, as well as the
little store in the campgrounds. And if you fly in and stay in the
homebuilt camping area, there are courtesy vehicles that will pick
you up and take you very near the Red Barn, if not right to it. Last
year, I was met by one of these modified pickups (with bench seats on
either side of the bed), and it was driven by a guy from my home
chapter. When I asked if he could take me to the Red Barn, he said
"For a beer run? You bet....hop in!"
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 704.4 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Jul 15, 2009, at 7:57 AM, W Duke wrote:
> Probably a silly question. Is there food available on the field in
> the days leading up to opening day of OshKosh?
>
> Maxwell Duke
> S6/TD/IO240
> Dublin, GA
>
> --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re:Oshkosh plans
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 10:53 PM
>
>
> I just found the shirt in question....I thought it had the year on
> it, but it doesn't. It does say: Brodhead Airport (above the
> plane) and then below: Chapter 431, Experimental Aircraft
> Association. The Kitfox IS white, N99GC. and says "Stars and
> Stripes Forever" on the side. But you knew that, Kirk, having the
> shirt.
>
> A bunch of Kitfox's....6-8....usually camp in the Homebuilt Camping
> area, scattered somewhere around rows 309-311, and maybe a few rows
> in either direction. At least this has been the case for the last 2
> years that I have flown up there. Another group of about 8 parks
> near the flight line, near the Homebuilt Registration building, but
> can not camp there. They get there about Thursday or Friday before
> the show opens, I am told.
>
> John and Debra McBean usually have a supper thing about Thurs or
> Fri night at a pub near the airport.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 704.4 hrs
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Status: flying
> do not archive
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2009, at 9:15 PM, kirk hull wrote:
>
> >
> > If it was a white fox then it is based on the field in Brodhead
> the owned
> > is the guy who laid out the shirts that year and is a member of
> the local
> > eaa chapter. I have 1 of those shirts as well. Here is the
> link to some
> > info about the show
> >
> > http://www.pietenpols.org/id5.html
> >
> > I will be staying the night on the field but unfortunately will
> be driving
> > up as 205AK is in need of some repairs. If you see a camp site
> with a red
> > grand prix stop by. I was also wondering if there were any
> Kitfox get
> > togom/Navigator?Kitfox-List" --> http:=======================
>
>
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| Subject: | owner performed maintenance |
Looking at my own certificate, it says specifically:
Ratings:
Repairman Light Sport Aircraft
Limitations:
Inspection, Airplane, N# and Ser#
which means I can legally repair and inspect (annual condition) my airplane,
and only my airplane. There is very specific wording that needs to be used
for the inspection in the log book along with my certificate number for the
airplane to be legal to fly.
The only difference I believe for a certificate for someone who has built an
airplane themselves is that the Rating will read "Repairman Experimental
Amateur Built" and the qualification for the certificate is that the builder
has "demonstrated proficiency" to an FAA representative, usually the DAR at
the time of airworthiness certification. I had to take a 16 hour course and
pass a test since I did not build the airplane.
Hope that helps...
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Liebmann
Sent: 15 July 2009 11:09 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: owner performed maintenance
When I received my FAA approval and got my paperwork for my Fox, I was told
that I had to apply for a specific, my plane only, A&P license which I did.
They told me that without it, I could not do my own condition inspection
even though I built the plane. Is this true? I have just assumed it to
be.
Ron
> At 01:19 PM 7/14/2009, you wrote:
>>Bought a kit and wondered what you can do yourself?
>
> I'm confused. If you bought a kit, and you finish it, you can do ALL the
> maintenance. If you bought an experimental aircraft you can do everything
> BUT the annual. (Conditional inspection.)
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: owner performed maintenance |
On Wed, July 15, 2009 5:21 am, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
> Guy is correct.
Probably, he usually says stuff you can bank on.
I didn't make the situation clear in my original posting. I said "kit" when I meant
"kit built by someone else".
> If you buy an experimental and you are not the original
> builder, you can do all the maintenance but have to have an A&P do the
> annual(conditional).
Not exactly. You can only do preventative maintenance to the same extent as you
can on
a certificated aircraft, if and only if you hold a pilots certificate under part
61 or
are an A&P. Preventative maintenance is limited to the 31 items specified in I.A.W.
cfr. 14, FAR 43, Appendix A, and you do not operate your aircraft under part 121,
127,
129, or 135.
> You do not have to be an A&P to do the maintenance items. This
> has been this way for about 40-50 years and has not changed. (certainly thru
> the 10 experimentals I have owned)
> There are some things that would have to have FAA/DAR approval( ie: new
> airworthness cert.) but generally you can do it all.
Not so, the list is very limited. Just the 31 Preventative Maintenance items:
What is Preventative Maintenance?
"Preventive maintenance" means:
simple or minor preservation operations and the replacement of small standard parts
not involving complex assembly operations.
The list is spelled out clearly in the original link I posted:
<http://www.globalair.com/articles/cox/article.asp>
I would agree that you can probably get away with doing quite a bit but even
recovering other than a minor patch not requiring rib lacing is prohibited, for
example. The regulations specify that if you are not the original builder or an
A&P
you have no more rights to repair an experimental than a certificated aircraft.
I am not an expert and don't want to be the arbiter of issues here. I just presented
what the apparent expert says.
There are nine domestic FAA Regions that are home to 83 Flight Standards District
Offices (FSDO's) in the U.S.A. Each FSDO is staffed by knowledgeable Maintenance
Inspectors, who have been trained to oversee, assist and provide you with guidance
in
the field of aircraft maintenance. To get the location of your FSDO office, call
the
FAA Aviation Safety Hotline at: 1-866-835-53222.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
"Men, to act with vigour and effect, must have time to mature measures,
and judgment and experience, as to the best method of applying them.
They must not be hurried on to their conclusions by the passions, or the
fears of the multitude. They must deliberate, as well as resolve."
-- Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution, January 6, 1833
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the
blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing
of misery.
-- Winston Churchill
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when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them."
-- Patrick Henry
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| Subject: | Re: owner performed maintenance |
Same experience here, Ron, but mine states that (my name) "has been
found to be properly qualified to exercise the privileges of
Repairman Experimental Aircraft Builder." On the back side, under
item XIII Limitations it says: "Inspection certificate for
experimental aircraft make Matteson Lynn C, model Kitfox IV-1200
serial number ADU150, certification date: 11 Mar 2006."
With this I can do anything on my plane that I want to, including the
annual condition inspection.
Just to split hairs, I don't think you got an actual *A&P
license*...that one takes some time in study, apprenticeship (I
think), and on-job training. At least that's what I've been told by
people who have one. I've been working with an A&P/IA on restoring
some of his planes, and while not really looking into the printed
steps and hoops to jump through, I've decided not to pursue this
aspect. I'll just get all the experience I can from him and call it a
day. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 704.4 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
On Jul 15, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Ron Liebmann wrote:
> <rliebmann@comcast.net>
>
> When I received my FAA approval and got my paperwork for my Fox, I
> was told that I had to apply for a specific, my plane only, A&P
> license which I did. They told me that without it, I could not do
> my own condition inspection even though I built the plane. Is this
> true? I have just assumed it to be.
>
> Ron
>
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| Subject: | Re: Taking off from your backyard |
On Wed, July 15, 2009 5:35 am, Jeffrey Dill wrote:
>
> I am dreaming about a two year plan of relocating to near Hendersonville, TN
and
> either living at an airpark, or simply buying a house on a wheat field or pasture
and
> taking off from my backyard. The airpark guys want to sell me a lot at a tremendous
> mark-up and justify it by all the red tape required to build even a small airport
> these days.
Certainly a bit of truth to that. Often an environmental impact statement is inescapable.
> But I see a distinction between building an airport and taking off from
> your backyard. I have learned that the determining factor is less the FAA and
more
> local government ordinances. Here is my question, who should I ask or where should
I
> look to find out if a property would allow me to do this?
I've actually gotten interested in this myself. It turns out that it is entirely
subjective, that is are the neighbors going to complain? So select a property with
no
neighbors, such as a national park or national forest and physical barriers adjacent
to the property such as a river that would separate you from possible complainers.
If
growth puts houses in your neighborhood, you can expect zoning enforcement. If
it is
not already specifically disapproved you might be able to get your strip designated
as
a private use airstrip by your state aeronautics commission without too much trouble.
That was simple to accomplish on a large wheat farm in Eastern Washington. But
no
neighbors for miles and they too had airstrips.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
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| Subject: | Re: owner performed maintenance |
On Wed, July 15, 2009 8:08 am, Ron Liebmann wrote:
>
> When I received my FAA approval and got my paperwork for my Fox, I was told
> that I had to apply for a specific, my plane only, A&P license which I did.
> They told me that without it, I could not do my own condition inspection
> even though I built the plane. Is this true? I have just assumed it to be.
It's not an "A&P License" it is called a Repairman's Certificate.
Reference cfr 14, FAR Section 65.104
To be eligible for a repairman certificate (experimental aircraft builder), an
individual must:
1. Be at least 18 years of age;
2. Be the primary builder of the aircraft to which the privileges of the
certificate are applicable in the case of an Experimental Aircraft. In the case
of
a Light Sport Aircraft the applicant must undergo 120 hours of classroom training
for an Airplane, 104 hours for a Weight-shift Control or Powered Parachute, and
80
hours for a Lighter than Air, or Glider;
3. Show to the satisfaction of the Administrator that the individual has the
requisite skill to determine whether the aircraft is in a condition for safe
operations; and Be a citizen of the United States or an individual citizen of a
foreign country who has lawfully been admitted for permanent residence in the
United States.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
"We maintain our strength in order to deter and defend against aggression -- to
preserve freedom and peace. Since the dawn of the atomic age, we've sought to
reduce the risk of war by maintaining a strong deterrent and by seeking genuine
arms control. 'Deterrence' means simply this: making sure any adversary who
thinks about attacking the United States, or our allies, or our vital
interests, concludes that the risks to him outweigh any potential gains. Once
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| Subject: | owner performed maintenance |
> In the case of a Light Sport Aircraft the applicant must undergo 120 hours
of classroom training
for an Airplane
Paul - it's 16 hours and passing a written test for ELSA, I don't know about
the other aircraft types but I expect they are even shorter.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Franz -
Merlin GT
Sent: 15 July 2009 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: owner performed maintenance
<paul@eucleides.com>
On Wed, July 15, 2009 8:08 am, Ron Liebmann wrote:
>
> When I received my FAA approval and got my paperwork for my Fox, I was
told
> that I had to apply for a specific, my plane only, A&P license which I
did.
> They told me that without it, I could not do my own condition inspection
> even though I built the plane. Is this true? I have just assumed it to
be.
It's not an "A&P License" it is called a Repairman's Certificate.
Reference cfr 14, FAR Section 65.104
To be eligible for a repairman certificate (experimental aircraft builder),
an
individual must:
1. Be at least 18 years of age;
2. Be the primary builder of the aircraft to which the privileges of the
certificate are applicable in the case of an Experimental Aircraft. In the
case of
a Light Sport Aircraft the applicant must undergo 120 hours of classroom
training
for an Airplane, 104 hours for a Weight-shift Control or Powered Parachute,
and 80
hours for a Lighter than Air, or Glider;
3. Show to the satisfaction of the Administrator that the individual has
the
requisite skill to determine whether the aircraft is in a condition for safe
operations; and Be a citizen of the United States or an individual citizen
of a
foreign country who has lawfully been admitted for permanent residence in
the
United States.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
"We maintain our strength in order to deter and defend against aggression --
to
preserve freedom and peace. Since the dawn of the atomic age, we've sought
to
reduce the risk of war by maintaining a strong deterrent and by seeking
genuine
arms control. 'Deterrence' means simply this: making sure any adversary who
thinks about attacking the United States, or our allies, or our vital
interests, concludes that the risks to him outweigh any potential gains.
Once
he understands that, he won't attack. We maintain the peace through our
strength; weakness only invites aggression."
-- Ronald Reagan
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| Subject: | Re:Oshkosh plans |
Thanks, my wife, son, and I plan on arriving Sunday in the Maule.-
Maxwell Duke
S6/TD/IO240
Dublin, GA
--- On Wed, 7/15/09, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re:Oshkosh plans
I'm pretty sure that there is, but I've never arrived any earlier than Sun
before. I always take some snackin' stuff just in case, though. Come to thi
nk of it, the Red Barn is open, as well as the little store in the campgrou
nds. And if you fly in and stay in the homebuilt camping area, there are co
urtesy vehicles that will pick you up and take you very near the Red Barn,
if not right to it. Last year, I was met by one of these modified pickups (
with bench seats on either side of the bed), and it was driven by a guy fro
m my home chapter. When I asked if he could take me to the Red Barn, he sai
d "For a beer run? You bet....hop in!"
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 704.4 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
do not archive
On Jul 15, 2009, at 7:57 AM, W Duke wrote:
> Probably a silly question.- Is there food available on the field in the
days leading up to opening day of OshKosh?
>
> Maxwell Duke
> S6/TD/IO240
> Dublin, GA
>
> --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re:Oshkosh plans
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 10:53 PM
>
>
> I just found the shirt in question....I thought it had the year on it, bu
t it doesn't. It does say:---Brodhead Airport (above the plane) and t
hen below: Chapter 431, Experimental Aircraft Association.---The Kitf
ox IS white, N99GC. and says "Stars and Stripes Forever" on the side. But y
ou knew that, Kirk, having the shirt.
>
> A bunch of Kitfox's....6-8....usually camp in the Homebuilt Camping area,
scattered somewhere around rows 309-311, and maybe a few rows in either di
rection. At least this has been the case for the last 2 years that I have f
lown up there. Another group of about 8 parks near the flight line, near th
e Homebuilt Registration building, but can not camp there. They get there a
bout Thursday or Friday before the show opens, I am told.
>
> John and Debra McBean usually have a supper thing about Thurs or Fri nigh
t at a pub near the airport.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 704.4 hrs
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Status: flying
> do not archive
>
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2009, at 9:15 PM, kirk hull wrote:
>
> >
> > If it was a white fox then it is based on the field in Brodhead--
-the owned
> > is the guy who laid out the shirts that year and is a member of the loc
al
> > eaa chapter.- I have 1 of those shirts as well.---Here is the l
ink to some
> > info about the show
> >
> > http://www.pietenpols.org/id5.html
> >
> > I will be staying the night on the field but unfortunately will be driv
ing
> > up as 205AK is in need of some repairs.- If you see a camp site with
a red
> > grand prix stop by.- I was also wondering if there were any Kitfox ge
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| Subject: | owner performed maintenance |
On Wed, July 15, 2009 10:29 am, Bob Brennan wrote:
>
>> In the case of a Light Sport Aircraft the applicant must undergo 120 hours
> of classroom training
> for an Airplane
>
> Paul - it's 16 hours and passing a written test for ELSA, I don't know about
> the other aircraft types but I expect they are even shorter.
That article I quoted is brand new. It probably needs to be updated. Worth sending
a
note to the author. How did you find out it was only 16 hours instead of what was
120
hours? As I understand from what you said, you got a Repairman's Certificate for
an
Experimental you did not build by taking a class and passing an exam. That is so
significant, it should be written up and submitted to Jeremy Cox, the author of
the
article. I didn't see an e-mail address but the article has a link for posting
comments.
<http://www.globalair.com/articles/cox/article.asp#replies>
You should definitely tell him that it looks like his info needs updating because
you
were able to get the repairman's certificate without being the original builder
and
tell me how you did it. I'm glad I posted the e-mail. Lots of people probably buying
a
completed kit would gladly take 20 hours of instruction, study for a test and pass
it
so they can get a repairman's certificate. I know I would. Especially if you bought
one of those modified SuperCubs that is now an Experimental and want to work on
it
yourself.
I just thought of something. You said ELSA. That's Experimental Light Sport Aircraft.
Maybe the 16 hour class only applies to that and not to a regular Experimental?
Maybe
you can't get the Repairman's Certificate if it isn't LSA and you didn't build
it
yourself?
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
"What's called the public debt stands at $11 trillion and growing.
That pales in comparison to the federal government's unfunded
liability -- obligations that are not covered by an asset of equal
or greater value. Mike Whalen, former policy chairman of the
Dallas-based National Center for Policy Analysis, commenting on
last year's Social Security Trustees annual report on the state of
the Social Security and Medicare programs, said, 'The report on the
state of entitlement programs is rather grim -- the combined
unfunded liabilities of both programs are $101 trillion.' What that
means is that in order for government to make good on its promises,
Congress would have to put aside tens of trillions of dollars in
the bank today. Keep in mind that our GDP is only $14 trillion. In
the absence of massive tax increases or cuts in benefits, in order
to meet its promises Congress must cease spending on one in four
programs by 2020, such as education and highway construction, and
one in two by 2030, and by 2050 or so all federal revenue will be
spent supporting Social Security, Medicare and prescription drug
benefits. Such a scenario is unsustainable. There will be economic
and political chaos. Today's politicians are not likely to take
measures to avoid the coming chaos because senior citizens, the
major beneficiaries of Social Security and Medicare, vote in large
numbers and will exact a high political price. Plus, neither
today's senior citizens nor today's politicians will be alive in
2050. I'd be more optimistic if my fellow Americans were simply
suffering from congressional deception as opposed to their not
caring about the economic calamity that awaits tomorrow's
Americans."
-- George Mason University economics professor Walter E. Williams
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| Subject: | Taking off from your backyard |
Good advice Mic.
I have been flying from my land for about 6 years. I have given rides to
most neighbors. Still need to meet one of them. Maybe a BBQ is the way to
go.
Randy
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mic thiessen
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:51 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Taking off from your backyard
Hi Jeff
Thats a great idea. Not sure about the US but here in Canada you buy the
land...invite all the neigboers over for a BBQ...have your Kitfox visible
and let them ask questions...offer rides when you get your runway built and
99% will not object and away you go. Have a yearly get together with your
new friends so they see how much fun you are having flying and invite more
flying friends with there planes and soon you have neigboers who love to
watch the planes come and go and can attach a face and a friend to aviation.
Don't do any barnstorming or stupid stunts over there homes and evryone is
happy. After about 5 years you apply for permanent landing status and put
your strip on the map and it is official. No problem...
mic
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Taking off from your backyard
> From: 1dillfamily@comcast.net
> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:35:40 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
<1dillfamily@comcast.net>
>
> I am dreaming about a two year plan of relocating to near Hendersonville,
TN and either living at an airpark, or simply buying a house on a wheat
field or pasture and taking off from my backyard. The airpark guys want to
sell me a lot at a tremendous mark-up and justify it by all the red tape
required to build even a small airport these days. But I see a distinction
between building an airport and taking off from your backyard. I have
learned that the determining factor is less the FAA and more local
government ordinances. Here is my question, who should I ask or where should
I look to find out if a property would allow me to do this?
>
> --------
> Jeff Dill
> Model 2
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253107#253107
>
>
>
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| Subject: | owner performed maintenance |
Hi Paul,
Looks like you thought it through to the proper conclusion at the end of
your email!
The Repairman's Certificate course I took is for ELSA aircraft only, owned
by the applicant. It is given by SportAir Workshops supported by the EAA - a
2 1/2 day (16 hour) course in many locations around the country. Here is the
webpage:
http://www.sportair.com/workshops/1Repairman%20(LSA)%20Inspection-Airplane.h
tml#TopOfPage0
The aircraft MUST be owned by the applicant and MUST have an ELSA
(Experimental, Light Sport Aircraft) Airworthiness Certificate. The
Repairman's Certificate is issued to the applicant and the airplane
combined.
Any airplane that already has an Airworthiness Type Certification cannot be
converted to ELSA, *except* SLSA (Special LSA, manufactured under an SLSA
Type Certificate). A J3 Cub, even one being flown under Experimental or
Light Sport rules, cannot become ELSA because it already has a Standard Type
Certification.
A builder of a kit can elect to certificate it as ELSA as long as it meets
all LSA requirements (ie weight, 2 persons only, no in-flight adjustable
prop, etc). However if the airplane has *ever* held an EAB (Experimental -
Amateur Built) AC it can never be converted to ELSA.
I got lucky and had to jump through hoops to get my 1989 Kitfox II (flying
since 1991 in the UK) an ELSA AC. First of all I got in under the now-closed
deadline to get it Registered as Light Sport. Then I had to prove it had
never had a AC in the UK, no easy task. Once I got it certificated as ELSA I
took the course and Bob's your Repairman ;-)
My advice to builders not yet certificated - get an ELSA Airworthiness
Certification for it. As builder it will make no difference, but when you go
to sell it the new owner will be able to get his own Repairman's Certificate
for that plane. IMHO the airplane will be worth more when up for sale as
ELSA, but that's just an opinion.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Franz -
Merlin GT
Sent: 15 July 2009 2:41 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: owner performed maintenance
<paul@eucleides.com>
On Wed, July 15, 2009 10:29 am, Bob Brennan wrote:
<matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
>> In the case of a Light Sport Aircraft the applicant must undergo 120
hours
> of classroom training
> for an Airplane
>
> Paul - it's 16 hours and passing a written test for ELSA, I don't know
about
> the other aircraft types but I expect they are even shorter.
That article I quoted is brand new. It probably needs to be updated. Worth
sending a
note to the author. How did you find out it was only 16 hours instead of
what was 120
hours? As I understand from what you said, you got a Repairman's Certificate
for an
Experimental you did not build by taking a class and passing an exam. That
is so
significant, it should be written up and submitted to Jeremy Cox, the author
of the
article. I didn't see an e-mail address but the article has a link for
posting
comments.
<http://www.globalair.com/articles/cox/article.asp#replies>
You should definitely tell him that it looks like his info needs updating
because you
were able to get the repairman's certificate without being the original
builder and
tell me how you did it. I'm glad I posted the e-mail. Lots of people
probably buying a
completed kit would gladly take 20 hours of instruction, study for a test
and pass it
so they can get a repairman's certificate. I know I would. Especially if you
bought
one of those modified SuperCubs that is now an Experimental and want to work
on it
yourself.
I just thought of something. You said ELSA. That's Experimental Light Sport
Aircraft.
Maybe the 16 hour class only applies to that and not to a regular
Experimental? Maybe
you can't get the Repairman's Certificate if it isn't LSA and you didn't
build it
yourself?
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
"What's called the public debt stands at $11 trillion and growing.
That pales in comparison to the federal government's unfunded
liability -- obligations that are not covered by an asset of equal
or greater value. Mike Whalen, former policy chairman of the
Dallas-based National Center for Policy Analysis, commenting on
last year's Social Security Trustees annual report on the state of
the Social Security and Medicare programs, said, 'The report on the
state of entitlement programs is rather grim -- the combined
unfunded liabilities of both programs are $101 trillion.' What that
means is that in order for government to make good on its promises,
Congress would have to put aside tens of trillions of dollars in
the bank today. Keep in mind that our GDP is only $14 trillion. In
the absence of massive tax increases or cuts in benefits, in order
to meet its promises Congress must cease spending on one in four
programs by 2020, such as education and highway construction, and
one in two by 2030, and by 2050 or so all federal revenue will be
spent supporting Social Security, Medicare and prescription drug
benefits. Such a scenario is unsustainable. There will be economic
and political chaos. Today's politicians are not likely to take
measures to avoid the coming chaos because senior citizens, the
major beneficiaries of Social Security and Medicare, vote in large
numbers and will exact a high political price. Plus, neither
today's senior citizens nor today's politicians will be alive in
2050. I'd be more optimistic if my fellow Americans were simply
suffering from congressional deception as opposed to their not
caring about the economic calamity that awaits tomorrow's
Americans."
-- George Mason University economics professor Walter E. Williams
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| Subject: | Taking off from your backyard |
Randy
The BBQ sure works for us. We started out with maybe 10 people and 1 aircra
ft 6 years ago. grew to 30 plus and 10 aircraft about 3 years ago. Switched
to a breakfast on saturday morning(supper was costing to much) and last ye
ar we had 100 plus people and close to 25 aircraft. The neighboers have sta
rted to invite there city friends for the event.
We may have to have a regional show soon.LOL
From: rjdaugh@rapidnet.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Taking off from your backyard
Good advice Mic.
I have been flying from my land for about 6 years. I have given rides to m
ost neighbors. Still need to meet one of them. Maybe a BBQ is the way to
go.
Randy
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mic thiessen
Sent: Wednesday=2C July 15=2C 2009 7:51 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Taking off from your backyard
Hi Jeff
Thats a great idea. Not sure about the US but here in Canada you buy the la
nd...invite all the neigboers over for a BBQ...have your Kitfox visible and
let them ask questions...offer rides when you get your runway built and 99
% will not object and away you go. Have a yearly get together with your new
friends so they see how much fun you are having flying and invite more fly
ing friends with there planes and soon you have neigboers who love to watch
the planes come and go and can attach a face and a friend to aviation. Don
't do any barnstorming or stupid stunts over there homes and evryone is ha
ppy. After about 5 years you apply for permanent landing status and put you
r strip on the map and it is official. No problem...
mic
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Taking off from your backyard
> From: 1dillfamily@comcast.net
> Date: Wed=2C 15 Jul 2009 05:35:40 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
t>
>
> I am dreaming about a two year plan of relocating to near Hendersonville
=2C TN and either living at an airpark=2C or simply buying a house on a whe
at field or pasture and taking off from my backyard. The airpark guys want
to sell me a lot at a tremendous mark-up and justify it by all the red tape
required to build even a small airport these days. But I see a distinction
between building an airport and taking off from your backyard. I have lear
ned that the determining factor is less the FAA and more local government o
rdinances. Here is my question=2C who should I ask or where should I look t
o find out if a property would allow me to do this?
>
> --------
> Jeff Dill
> Model 2
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253107#253107
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: owner performed maintenance |
At 05:21 AM 7/15/2009, you wrote:
>Guy is correct. If you buy an experimental and you are not the
>original builder, you can do all the maintenance but have to have an
>A&P do the annual(conditional).
You mean I got one RIGHT!? OMIGOD I think I'm going to faint. ;-)
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting
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| Subject: | Re: Taking off from your backyard |
> Jeff
Lots of good advice so far. Check with the GA office of your state
aviation administration. That office is usually very GA friendly and knows
a good deal about how local jurisdictions handle private personal use
strips. One county nearby had a pilot as county commissioner who got
zoning language specifically approving personal use strips in agridultural
and combined Ag-residential. Others allow private strips as a "permitted"
conditional use with conditions dependent on neighbors comments during
public proceedings. In very rural areas there are a lot of private strips
that operate without formal approvals, usually without nearby neighbors
who might squawk, and where the strip is owned by the pilot or their
family. Being friends with your neighbors is a big deal.
As an aside I was circling over a group of kids in a tree lined back yard
at about 500 feet and the kids did not hear the powered back Kitfox until
a flash of reflected sunlight caught my son's attention and he looked up.
Ever since that time there has been a running joke among the kids about
the Kitfox being a CIA SPY plane. The take away message is that some
planes are not much of a noise nusance.
Good Luck! Have fun.
BJ
Kitfox IV
912 Rotax
443-480-1023
Kitfox-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Dill"
> <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
>
> I am dreaming about a two year plan of relocating to near Hendersonville,
> TN and either living at an airpark, or simply buying a house on a wheat
> field or pasture and taking off from my backyard. The airpark guys want to
> sell me a lot at a tremendous mark-up and justify it by all the red tape
> required to build even a small airport these days. But I see a distinction
> between building an airport and taking off from your backyard. I have
> learned that the determining factor is less the FAA and more local
> government ordinances. Here is my question, who should I ask or where
> should I look to find out if a property would allow me to do this?
>
> --------
> Jeff Dill
> Model 2
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253107#253107
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: owner performed maintenance |
There seems to be some confusion here between the rules covering ELSA aircraft
and Experimental, Amateur-Built aircraft. With regard to the latter; here is
a quote from the EAA website:
I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?
FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not apply to experimental,
amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just maintenance)
on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by anyone regardless of
credentials. (This does not apply to the condition inspection). Let common sense
be your guide as to what maintenance you conduct yourself.
Guy is right. If you buy an airplane registered as an "Experimental, Amateur-Built"
you can do anything except the annual Condition Inspection.
--------
Jim Feldmann, 3rd owner
1994 Kitfox IV Speedster / 912
Working on my Sport Pilot Certificate
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253262#253262
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| Subject: | Arlington Fly-in |
Good Evening..
Wow.. Arlington then Oshkosh..
The Arlington show was a great show for Kitfox and although the attendance
was down slightly the folks are always friendly and when the weather is good
it is a great show. Weather was great Thursday through Saturday, traffic
was good and sales were better than expected.
Nice treat was Kitfox earns 2 awards.
Mark & Renee Smith - Custom Built Kits - Workmanship Award
MR-Arlington.JPG
Greg Beard - Light Plane - Grand Champion
Greg's aircraft is also known as Uncle Otis. The family's favorite Bulldog.
uncle-otis-tw.jpguncle-otis-tri.jpg
Congrats !! Thank you for displaying your aircraft and proudly representing
Kitfox Aircraft.
Now we are readying for our trek east to Oshkosh. Hope to see you there.
We will also be posting some info on the Kitfox Factory Fly-in labor day
weekend shortly.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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| Subject: | Re: owner performed maintenance |
Jim,
Sorry but it is confusing to the list to say "you can do anything except the
annual Condition Inspection." There are specific things you can do which
have already been listed in this thread. Specifically anything that will
cause the Annual Condition Inspection to fail are things you should not do,
and technically can not do.
As a certified repairman and inspector for my own airplane I am aware of
what I should and should not do to it, and can and cannot do to it, for
instance rebuild the engine without further training. An A&P inspector has
the responsibility to tell kit builders what they can and cannot do, and
should and should not have done to an airplane they did not build.
Better to stick with the list of 31 things you *can* do than announce to the
list that you can do "anything", don't you think?
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Feldmann
Sent: 15 July 2009 9:09 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: owner performed maintenance
There seems to be some confusion here between the rules covering ELSA
aircraft and Experimental, Amateur-Built aircraft. With regard to the
latter; here is a quote from the EAA website:
I am going to buy a used homebuilt, what work can I perform myself?
FAR Part 43 specifically states that the rules of that part do not apply to
experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Therefore, any work (not just
maintenance) on an experimental aircraft can be performed virtually by
anyone regardless of credentials. (This does not apply to the condition
inspection). Let common sense be your guide as to what maintenance you
conduct yourself.
Guy is right. If you buy an airplane registered as an "Experimental,
Amateur-Built" you can do anything except the annual Condition Inspection.
--------
Jim Feldmann, 3rd owner
1994 Kitfox IV Speedster / 912
Working on my Sport Pilot Certificate
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253262#253262
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| Subject: | Re: Taking off from your backyard |
Jeff,
I=C2- established my own airport .=C2- Here's what I did:
1.=C2- Identify a piece of land that you can afford and has the physical
characteristics needed for an airstrip.
2.=C2- Study the ordinances regarding airports for the municipality.=C2
- Decide if you think you meet the requirements or if you will need to re
quest a use variance.=C2- In my case the ordinances were poorly written a
nd conflicting.=C2- This was the openi where =C2-my=C2-latrer request
for a var iance was judged favorably.
3.=C2- Contact the state DOT Aeronautics division for state requirements
for a private individual airport.=C2- There's=C2-probably a website wit
h all the information and request forms.=C2- State DOT is primarily inter
ested in safe airport configuration.
4.=C2- Check out the FAA website for notice of proposed airport and airsp
ace reservations.=C2- =C2-Primarily the Feds will be mostly interested
in the airport location for purposes of airspace reservation and minimizing
conflicts with other nearby=C2- airports.
5.=C2- If the project looks like it might just work, make an offer=C2-f
or the land contingent on=C2-approvals for the airstrip.=C2- The owner
can help for local approvals since it is in his interest to conclude the sa
le .=C2- Plan three months for application and approvals.
6.=C2- Enter applications for the municipality, state DOT and FAA .=C2-
I found the most difficult part was interpreting the rules and sketching o
ut a conforming layout for the airstrip on the attachments to the applicati
ons.=C2- Follow your nose a bit here. You will likely find someone at eac
h level that is willing to help through the paper work.=C2- In my case, T
he Penn. DOT Division of Aeronautics was very helpful in making sure I got
the state and federal applications right.=C2- If you need a local use var
iance, you can represent yourself at the planning board meeting.=C2- I ga
ve a short presentation of my plans and answered any questions.=C2- Most
of the people who came to the meeting were just curious.=C2- Some wanted
to make sure that=C2-I wouldn't be flying big noisy airplanes that would
scare their cows, or wouldn't be be buzzing the church on Sundays.=C2- Th
ey took me at my word.
7.=C2- Close the property purchase when all the initial approvals are obt
ained.
8.=C2- Construct the airstrip within the time allowed by the airspace res
ervation.=C2- The scary part was not being sure if I could complete the c
onstruction on time.=C2- This fear was relieved when I later filed for an
extension.
9.=C2- Obtain Final inspection from the state DOT and notify FAA of the c
ompleted airport.=C2-
The fun part is knowing that I was able follow all the rules and create a l
egal "backyard"=C2-airstrip for my future Kit Fox without the help or exp
ense of legal council, etc.=C2- It shows t here are still some freedoms t
o be enjoyed in the US!
Jeff Probasco
Model 5 under construction
EA81, CAP
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Dill" <1dillfamily@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 8:35:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Kitfox-List: Taking off from your backyard
I am dreaming about a two year plan of relocating to near Hendersonville, T
N and either living at an airpark, or simply buying a house on a wheat fiel
d or pasture and taking off from my backyard. The airpark guys want to sell
me a lot at a tremendous mark-up and justify it by all the red tape requir
ed to build even a small airport these days. But I see a distinction betwee
n building an airport and taking off from your backyard. I have learned tha
t the determining factor is less the FAA and more local government ordinanc
es. Here is my question, who should I ask or where should I look to find ou
t if a property would allow me to do this?
--------
Jeff Dill
Model 2
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253107#253107
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Thank you for all your comments - they have been very helpful.
So far -
the plugs are a nice tan color.
The cyl's looking through the exhaust port, I can
see the cross hatch marks.
I can also see two scratch marks one horz and
one ver appx length of 1/4 inch.
No visible scratch marks on the pistons.
With the plugs out the engine still sticks.
Although after my last post I was able to move
the prop with some effort. But then, each time it
sat for a while it stuck again, even with plugs out
it stuck.
The engine was stored here in North Idaho for about
10 years and a good chance that moisture got into the
crankcase and some rust developed on the bearings.
So the only way to find out is to tear it down.
I'll let you all know what I find.
Cecil
Kitfox 4 1050 582 C Ser# 1451
N161CP
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| Subject: | 582 gasket set on Ebay |
Is it possible to use the gaskets again after dismantling
the engine after 3 hours use.
There are brand X gasket sets sold on Ebay for about half
what Rotax sells them. Are they good replacements or
just junk and not worth the savings?
Cecil
kitfox 4 1050 582 C
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