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1. 12:08 AM - First post, any trailers available near WA/OR/ID ? (cschmokel)
2. 05:06 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox (Bob Brennan)
3. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: IFR KItfox (Weiss Richard)
4. 08:17 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox (Lowell Fitt)
5. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox (John W. Hart)
6. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox (Bob Brennan)
7. 09:16 AM - Diff pressure gauge (Clint Bazzill)
8. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox (Bob Brennan)
9. 10:38 AM - Re: IFR KItfox (JetPilot)
10. 10:41 AM - Re: IFR KItfox (JetPilot)
11. 10:56 AM - Re: Kitfox (jridgway)
12. 11:32 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox (Bob Brennan)
13. 12:44 PM - Re: IFR KItfox (Michel Verheughe)
14. 01:17 PM - Re: IFR KItfox (Michel Verheughe)
15. 03:45 PM - Brake lines filling (rosane beaule)
16. 03:55 PM - Re : Trailer available (rosane beaule)
17. 03:57 PM - Re: Rotec TBI success story (akflyer)
18. 04:00 PM - Re: Brake lines filling (akflyer)
19. 04:29 PM - Re: IFR KItfox (akflyer)
20. 04:35 PM - Re: Brake lines filling (Glenn Horne)
21. 05:42 PM - Re: Re: Rotec TBI success story (Lynn Matteson)
22. 05:48 PM - Re: Brake lines filling (Lynn Matteson)
23. 07:27 PM - Re: Kitfox (jridgway)
24. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
25. 09:02 PM - Tool for positioning a bolt or washer plus nut (Maurice)
26. 10:38 PM - Re: Re : Trailer available (cschmokel)
27. 11:32 PM - Re: Tool for positioning a bolt or washer plus nut (Lowell Fitt)
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| Subject: | First post, any trailers available near WA/OR/ID ? |
Hey guys, I'm looking for a trailer within a few hundred miles of Pullman, WA.
I'm just now learning how to weld and don't trust myself to fab a trailer which
will haul a $40k aircraft around!! Thanks
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256116#256116
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The FAA created the Light Sport category of the Experimental type for
Airworthiness Certification in 2005 and set an end date of January 31st 2008
for the conversion of non-registered aircraft to the new type. This
"amnesty" period applied to registration for an "N" number only, I
registered my Kitfox II in late 2007 and applied for and was granted and
ELSA Airworthiness Certificate in late 2008, after the closure of the
amnesty period, with no problems. Any aircraft previously issued any
Airworthiness type certificate was not eligible to convert to ELSA, only
unregistered uncertificated aircraft but I certainly wouldn't call my or
anyone else's aircraft that took advantage of this program "rogue".
An ELSA aircraft is type certificated as "Experimental" with the same
restrictions and privileges as EAB aircraft (Experimental - Amateur Built).
True there are additional restrictions on weight, adjustable props, landing
gear, and a few other things (see
http://www.pilotfriend.com/experimental/spt_cat.htm for a complete list) but
there is the added plus of being able to be the maintainer and inspector of
your own aircraft even if you are not the builder, which for me was a major
factor, and has absolutely nothing to do with the amnesty conversion period
at the beginning of the category creation.
No offense intended in correcting the statements in your post Jack, just
trying to keep the facts straight here to avoid further confusion.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jridgway
Sent: 05 August 2009 12:01 am
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
I just chatted with the A/P who does a lot of work with our EAA chapter. He
told me we have about half a dozen fixed wing aircraft in the local area
that are ELSA. These aircraft are home built but for numerous reasons were
never were licensed EXPERIMENTAL and were just being flown as VERY HEAVY
ULTRALIGHTS....lol..The FAA gave a chance for all these ROGUE aircraft to
get legal by licensing them under the ELSA. This was about 2 years ago and
terminated Dec 2008. If you did not take advantage of this AMNESTY you are
really *^^)(& if you ever need to get legal now on a plane that was not
registered by the original builder.
Jack
PS..Kind of interesting..If you purchased a EXPERIMENTAL aircraft (and were
not the builder) you need a A/P to do the annual. If you purchased the same
plane (and was unlicensed) under the ELSA amnesty anybody can go to a 2 day
course and get a REPAIRMANS CERTIFICATE and do the annuals and the same
aircraft..
PS..To be honest...the ELSA does have some restrictions that a fully
registered EXPERIMENTAL does not have.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256105#256105
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| Subject: | Re: RE: IFR KItfox |
Michel,
Congratulations on getting your medical back. Having once been in the
same mode, I know how happy you must be. Enjoy the flying!
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
On Aug 5, 2009, at 12:10 AM, Jose M. Toro wrote:
> Michel:
>
> I suppose this happen very recently. I'm glad you don't need a
> copilot anymore. I would guess your son disagree...now he has to
> seat down and wait for his turn :-)
>
> Saludos!
>
> Jos=E9
>
> From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 4:17:26 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: IFR KItfox
>
> I went flying alone in the mountains for the first time after I got
> my license back.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
> Do not archive
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Bob,
In the interest of keeping the facts straight, Anyone can do the maintenance
on an amateur built experimantal aircraft and can do the annual condition
inspection as well --if he can find an A&P who will sign certifying that
"this aircraft has been inspected on [date] according to....". You and I
are entitled to sign and affix our certificate numbers as the responsible
party after an inspection. In the approved wording, it doesn't specify who
did the inspection.
All that is required is that an owner find an A&P that is wiling to endorse
the log book. This procedure is done all the time and I expect by most list
non builder owners.
Regarding the Rogue comment. I think it is a fair assessment of the FAAs
incentive in beginning the ELSA program. There were numerous two place non
conforming "Ultralight trainers" that were being flown without any licensing
whatsoever. Many heavy non regulation conforming "ultralights" as well.
Enough in fact that the FAA considered it a major issue. These were the
rogue aircraft referred to in the original post. Your particular situation
is piggy backed onto the original intent of the ELSA program and correct me
if I am wrong, but your airplane was certified in another country and was
kindly treated by the FAA as a previously uncertified aircraft.
If the FAA had just decided to look the other way regarding the "rogue"
aircraft, your licensing of your imported aircraft would have to have taken
another route.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
Covering Fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:58 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
>
> The FAA created the Light Sport category of the Experimental type for
> Airworthiness Certification in 2005 and set an end date of January 31st
> 2008
> for the conversion of non-registered aircraft to the new type. This
> "amnesty" period applied to registration for an "N" number only, I
> registered my Kitfox II in late 2007 and applied for and was granted and
> ELSA Airworthiness Certificate in late 2008, after the closure of the
> amnesty period, with no problems. Any aircraft previously issued any
> Airworthiness type certificate was not eligible to convert to ELSA, only
> unregistered uncertificated aircraft but I certainly wouldn't call my or
> anyone else's aircraft that took advantage of this program "rogue".
>
> An ELSA aircraft is type certificated as "Experimental" with the same
> restrictions and privileges as EAB aircraft (Experimental - Amateur
> Built).
> True there are additional restrictions on weight, adjustable props,
> landing
> gear, and a few other things (see
> http://www.pilotfriend.com/experimental/spt_cat.htm for a complete list)
> but
> there is the added plus of being able to be the maintainer and inspector
> of
> your own aircraft even if you are not the builder, which for me was a
> major
> factor, and has absolutely nothing to do with the amnesty conversion
> period
> at the beginning of the category creation.
>
> No offense intended in correcting the statements in your post Jack, just
> trying to keep the facts straight here to avoid further confusion.
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
> ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jridgway
> Sent: 05 August 2009 12:01 am
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
>
> <jridgway@academicplanet.com>
>
> I just chatted with the A/P who does a lot of work with our EAA chapter.
> He
> told me we have about half a dozen fixed wing aircraft in the local area
> that are ELSA. These aircraft are home built but for numerous reasons were
> never were licensed EXPERIMENTAL and were just being flown as VERY HEAVY
> ULTRALIGHTS....lol..The FAA gave a chance for all these ROGUE aircraft to
> get legal by licensing them under the ELSA. This was about 2 years ago and
> terminated Dec 2008. If you did not take advantage of this AMNESTY you are
> really *^^)(& if you ever need to get legal now on a plane that was not
> registered by the original builder.
> Jack
> PS..Kind of interesting..If you purchased a EXPERIMENTAL aircraft (and
> were
> not the builder) you need a A/P to do the annual. If you purchased the
> same
> plane (and was unlicensed) under the ELSA amnesty anybody can go to a 2
> day
> course and get a REPAIRMANS CERTIFICATE and do the annuals and the same
> aircraft..
> PS..To be honest...the ELSA does have some restrictions that a fully
> registered EXPERIMENTAL does not have.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256105#256105
>
>
>
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65.85 Airframe rating; additional privileges.
top
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, a certificated
mechanic with an airframe rating may approve and return to service an
airframe, or any related part or appliance, after he has performed,
supervised, or inspected its maintenance or alteration (excluding major
repairs and major alterations). In addition, he may perform the 100-hour
inspection required by part 91 of this chapter on an airframe, or any
related part or appliance, and approve and return it to service.
(b) A certificated mechanic with an airframe rating can approve and return
to service an airframe, or any related part or appliance, of an aircraft
with a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category after
performing and inspecting a major repair or major alteration for products
that are not produced under an FAA approval provided the work was performed
in accordance with instructions developed by the manufacturer or a person
acceptable to the FAA.
[Doc. No. 1179, 27 FR 7973, Aug. 10, 1962, as amended by Amdt. 6510, 32 FR
5770, Apr. 11, 1967; Amdt. 6545, 69 FR 44879, July 27, 2004]
65.87 Powerplant rating; additional privileges.
top
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, a certificated
mechanic with a powerplant rating may approve and return to service a
powerplant or propeller or any related part or appliance, after he has
performed, supervised, or inspected its maintenance or alteration (excluding
major repairs and major alterations). In addition, he may perform the
100-hour inspection required by part 91 of this chapter on a powerplant or
propeller, or any part thereof, and approve and return it to service.
(b) A certificated mechanic with a powerplant rating can approve and return
to service a powerplant or propeller, or any related part or appliance, of
an aircraft with a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport
category after performing and inspecting a major repair or major alteration
for products that are not produced under an FAA approval, provided the work
was performed in accordance with instructions developed by the manufacturer
or a person acceptable to the FAA.
[Doc. No. 1179, 27 FR 7973, Aug. 10, 1962, as amended by Amdt. 6510, 32 FR
5770, Apr. 11, 1967; Amdt. 6545, 69 FR 44879, July 27, 2004]
John Hart
KFIV, NSI Subaru
Wilburton, OK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
Bob,
In the interest of keeping the facts straight, Anyone can do the maintenance
on an amateur built experimantal aircraft and can do the annual condition
inspection as well --if he can find an A&P who will sign certifying that
"this aircraft has been inspected on [date] according to....". You and I
are entitled to sign and affix our certificate numbers as the responsible
party after an inspection. In the approved wording, it doesn't specify who
did the inspection.
All that is required is that an owner find an A&P that is wiling to endorse
the log book. This procedure is done all the time and I expect by most list
non builder owners.
Regarding the Rogue comment. I think it is a fair assessment of the FAAs
incentive in beginning the ELSA program. There were numerous two place non
conforming "Ultralight trainers" that were being flown without any licensing
whatsoever. Many heavy non regulation conforming "ultralights" as well.
Enough in fact that the FAA considered it a major issue. These were the
rogue aircraft referred to in the original post. Your particular situation
is piggy backed onto the original intent of the ELSA program and correct me
if I am wrong, but your airplane was certified in another country and was
kindly treated by the FAA as a previously uncertified aircraft.
If the FAA had just decided to look the other way regarding the "rogue"
aircraft, your licensing of your imported aircraft would have to have taken
another route.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
Covering Fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:58 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
>
> The FAA created the Light Sport category of the Experimental type for
> Airworthiness Certification in 2005 and set an end date of January 31st
> 2008
> for the conversion of non-registered aircraft to the new type. This
> "amnesty" period applied to registration for an "N" number only, I
> registered my Kitfox II in late 2007 and applied for and was granted and
> ELSA Airworthiness Certificate in late 2008, after the closure of the
> amnesty period, with no problems. Any aircraft previously issued any
> Airworthiness type certificate was not eligible to convert to ELSA, only
> unregistered uncertificated aircraft but I certainly wouldn't call my or
> anyone else's aircraft that took advantage of this program "rogue".
>
> An ELSA aircraft is type certificated as "Experimental" with the same
> restrictions and privileges as EAB aircraft (Experimental - Amateur
> Built).
> True there are additional restrictions on weight, adjustable props,
> landing
> gear, and a few other things (see
> http://www.pilotfriend.com/experimental/spt_cat.htm for a complete list)
> but
> there is the added plus of being able to be the maintainer and inspector
> of
> your own aircraft even if you are not the builder, which for me was a
> major
> factor, and has absolutely nothing to do with the amnesty conversion
> period
> at the beginning of the category creation.
>
> No offense intended in correcting the statements in your post Jack, just
> trying to keep the facts straight here to avoid further confusion.
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
> ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jridgway
> Sent: 05 August 2009 12:01 am
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
>
> <jridgway@academicplanet.com>
>
> I just chatted with the A/P who does a lot of work with our EAA chapter.
> He
> told me we have about half a dozen fixed wing aircraft in the local area
> that are ELSA. These aircraft are home built but for numerous reasons were
> never were licensed EXPERIMENTAL and were just being flown as VERY HEAVY
> ULTRALIGHTS....lol..The FAA gave a chance for all these ROGUE aircraft to
> get legal by licensing them under the ELSA. This was about 2 years ago and
> terminated Dec 2008. If you did not take advantage of this AMNESTY you are
> really *^^)(& if you ever need to get legal now on a plane that was not
> registered by the original builder.
> Jack
> PS..Kind of interesting..If you purchased a EXPERIMENTAL aircraft (and
> were
> not the builder) you need a A/P to do the annual. If you purchased the
> same
> plane (and was unlicensed) under the ELSA amnesty anybody can go to a 2
> day
> course and get a REPAIRMANS CERTIFICATE and do the annuals and the same
> aircraft..
> PS..To be honest...the ELSA does have some restrictions that a fully
> registered EXPERIMENTAL does not have.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256105#256105
>
>
>
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Hi Lowell,
Thanks for adding additional clarification to these points.
As was discussed before on this list the only requirement for an annual
inspection on Experimental Amateur-Built is that there be a signature and
valid "inspection rated" license number in the logbook certifying that the
aircraft is in "fit condition for safe operation" - this sign-off can be
done by the builder if he/she has applied for the proper license, or a
licensed A&P. It cannot however be signed off by an owner who did not build
the plane. Of course a "friend" A&P can sign off on a non-licensed owner's
word that the aircraft is safe, but most (my opinion) would not risk doing
that for a stranger, so we are talking a gray area here. Although people on
this list I'm sure are not short of licensed "friends" I am only saying that
is not the intent of the rules. The owner of an ELSA aircraft, by contrast,
can take a course and get a license and legally sign off on his/her own
inspections, even if he has no friends!
My UK imported Kitfox slipped in on the ELSA amnesty period yes that's true,
I was lucky! It never had an ICAO C of A, the CAA does not issue a
Certificate of Airworthiness to any aircraft other than Standard Type (STC)
spam-cans. I had to jump through hoops and pay lots of $$ to prove to the
FAA that the plane never had an Airworthiness Certificate (essential for
applying for an ELSA) and as you say mine was a unique case, but there was
no "kindness" from the FAA during the process believe me ;-)
Owners of aircraft that did legally take advantage of the amnesty program
for ELSA had non-registered aircraft that were being flown legally under the
old set of rules. They were not "rogue". An aircraft being flown now without
proper registration or certification would be rogue, and illegal under the
new rules.
Hope this clarifies things - good discussion!
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: 05 August 2009 11:03 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
Bob,
In the interest of keeping the facts straight, Anyone can do the maintenance
on an amateur built experimantal aircraft and can do the annual condition
inspection as well --if he can find an A&P who will sign certifying that
"this aircraft has been inspected on [date] according to....". You and I
are entitled to sign and affix our certificate numbers as the responsible
party after an inspection. In the approved wording, it doesn't specify who
did the inspection.
All that is required is that an owner find an A&P that is wiling to endorse
the log book. This procedure is done all the time and I expect by most list
non builder owners.
Regarding the Rogue comment. I think it is a fair assessment of the FAAs
incentive in beginning the ELSA program. There were numerous two place non
conforming "Ultralight trainers" that were being flown without any licensing
whatsoever. Many heavy non regulation conforming "ultralights" as well.
Enough in fact that the FAA considered it a major issue. These were the
rogue aircraft referred to in the original post. Your particular situation
is piggy backed onto the original intent of the ELSA program and correct me
if I am wrong, but your airplane was certified in another country and was
kindly treated by the FAA as a previously uncertified aircraft.
If the FAA had just decided to look the other way regarding the "rogue"
aircraft, your licensing of your imported aircraft would have to have taken
another route.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
Covering Fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:58 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
>
> The FAA created the Light Sport category of the Experimental type for
> Airworthiness Certification in 2005 and set an end date of January 31st
> 2008
> for the conversion of non-registered aircraft to the new type. This
> "amnesty" period applied to registration for an "N" number only, I
> registered my Kitfox II in late 2007 and applied for and was granted and
> ELSA Airworthiness Certificate in late 2008, after the closure of the
> amnesty period, with no problems. Any aircraft previously issued any
> Airworthiness type certificate was not eligible to convert to ELSA, only
> unregistered uncertificated aircraft but I certainly wouldn't call my or
> anyone else's aircraft that took advantage of this program "rogue".
>
> An ELSA aircraft is type certificated as "Experimental" with the same
> restrictions and privileges as EAB aircraft (Experimental - Amateur
> Built).
> True there are additional restrictions on weight, adjustable props,
> landing
> gear, and a few other things (see
> http://www.pilotfriend.com/experimental/spt_cat.htm for a complete list)
> but
> there is the added plus of being able to be the maintainer and inspector
> of
> your own aircraft even if you are not the builder, which for me was a
> major
> factor, and has absolutely nothing to do with the amnesty conversion
> period
> at the beginning of the category creation.
>
> No offense intended in correcting the statements in your post Jack, just
> trying to keep the facts straight here to avoid further confusion.
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
> ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jridgway
> Sent: 05 August 2009 12:01 am
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
>
> <jridgway@academicplanet.com>
>
> I just chatted with the A/P who does a lot of work with our EAA chapter.
> He
> told me we have about half a dozen fixed wing aircraft in the local area
> that are ELSA. These aircraft are home built but for numerous reasons were
> never were licensed EXPERIMENTAL and were just being flown as VERY HEAVY
> ULTRALIGHTS....lol..The FAA gave a chance for all these ROGUE aircraft to
> get legal by licensing them under the ELSA. This was about 2 years ago and
> terminated Dec 2008. If you did not take advantage of this AMNESTY you are
> really *^^)(& if you ever need to get legal now on a plane that was not
> registered by the original builder.
> Jack
> PS..Kind of interesting..If you purchased a EXPERIMENTAL aircraft (and
> were
> not the builder) you need a A/P to do the annual. If you purchased the
> same
> plane (and was unlicensed) under the ELSA amnesty anybody can go to a 2
> day
> course and get a REPAIRMANS CERTIFICATE and do the annuals and the same
> aircraft..
> PS..To be honest...the ELSA does have some restrictions that a fully
> registered EXPERIMENTAL does not have.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256105#256105
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Diff pressure gauge |
Does anyone in the SF Bay area have a diff pressue gauge I can borrow until
I get my new one.
Thanks
Clint (928) 499-8344
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Note the word "supervised" is never used with regards to the annual or
100-hour inspections in either section, only the words "performed and
inspected". A "friend" who signs off an inspection he did not perform could
be liable for any accidents due to anything that should have been caught
during a legal inspection and could/should(my opinion) lose his license.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Hart
Sent: 05 August 2009 11:39 am
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
65.85 Airframe rating; additional privileges.
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(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, a certificated
mechanic with an airframe rating may approve and return to service an
airframe, or any related part or appliance, after he has performed,
supervised, or inspected its maintenance or alteration (excluding major
repairs and major alterations). In addition, he may perform the 100-hour
inspection required by part 91 of this chapter on an airframe, or any
related part or appliance, and approve and return it to service.
(b) A certificated mechanic with an airframe rating can approve and return
to service an airframe, or any related part or appliance, of an aircraft
with a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category after
performing and inspecting a major repair or major alteration for products
that are not produced under an FAA approval provided the work was performed
in accordance with instructions developed by the manufacturer or a person
acceptable to the FAA.
[Doc. No. 1179, 27 FR 7973, Aug. 10, 1962, as amended by Amdt. 6510, 32 FR
5770, Apr. 11, 1967; Amdt. 6545, 69 FR 44879, July 27, 2004]
65.87 Powerplant rating; additional privileges.
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(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, a certificated
mechanic with a powerplant rating may approve and return to service a
powerplant or propeller or any related part or appliance, after he has
performed, supervised, or inspected its maintenance or alteration (excluding
major repairs and major alterations). In addition, he may perform the
100-hour inspection required by part 91 of this chapter on a powerplant or
propeller, or any part thereof, and approve and return it to service.
(b) A certificated mechanic with a powerplant rating can approve and return
to service a powerplant or propeller, or any related part or appliance, of
an aircraft with a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport
category after performing and inspecting a major repair or major alteration
for products that are not produced under an FAA approval, provided the work
was performed in accordance with instructions developed by the manufacturer
or a person acceptable to the FAA.
[Doc. No. 1179, 27 FR 7973, Aug. 10, 1962, as amended by Amdt. 6510, 32 FR
5770, Apr. 11, 1967; Amdt. 6545, 69 FR 44879, July 27, 2004]
John Hart
KFIV, NSI Subaru
Wilburton, OK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
Bob,
In the interest of keeping the facts straight, Anyone can do the maintenance
on an amateur built experimantal aircraft and can do the annual condition
inspection as well --if he can find an A&P who will sign certifying that
"this aircraft has been inspected on [date] according to....". You and I
are entitled to sign and affix our certificate numbers as the responsible
party after an inspection. In the approved wording, it doesn't specify who
did the inspection.
All that is required is that an owner find an A&P that is wiling to endorse
the log book. This procedure is done all the time and I expect by most list
non builder owners.
Regarding the Rogue comment. I think it is a fair assessment of the FAAs
incentive in beginning the ELSA program. There were numerous two place non
conforming "Ultralight trainers" that were being flown without any licensing
whatsoever. Many heavy non regulation conforming "ultralights" as well.
Enough in fact that the FAA considered it a major issue. These were the
rogue aircraft referred to in the original post. Your particular situation
is piggy backed onto the original intent of the ELSA program and correct me
if I am wrong, but your airplane was certified in another country and was
kindly treated by the FAA as a previously uncertified aircraft.
If the FAA had just decided to look the other way regarding the "rogue"
aircraft, your licensing of your imported aircraft would have to have taken
another route.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
Covering Fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:58 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
>
> The FAA created the Light Sport category of the Experimental type for
> Airworthiness Certification in 2005 and set an end date of January 31st
> 2008
> for the conversion of non-registered aircraft to the new type. This
> "amnesty" period applied to registration for an "N" number only, I
> registered my Kitfox II in late 2007 and applied for and was granted and
> ELSA Airworthiness Certificate in late 2008, after the closure of the
> amnesty period, with no problems. Any aircraft previously issued any
> Airworthiness type certificate was not eligible to convert to ELSA, only
> unregistered uncertificated aircraft but I certainly wouldn't call my or
> anyone else's aircraft that took advantage of this program "rogue".
>
> An ELSA aircraft is type certificated as "Experimental" with the same
> restrictions and privileges as EAB aircraft (Experimental - Amateur
> Built).
> True there are additional restrictions on weight, adjustable props,
> landing
> gear, and a few other things (see
> http://www.pilotfriend.com/experimental/spt_cat.htm for a complete list)
> but
> there is the added plus of being able to be the maintainer and inspector
> of
> your own aircraft even if you are not the builder, which for me was a
> major
> factor, and has absolutely nothing to do with the amnesty conversion
> period
> at the beginning of the category creation.
>
> No offense intended in correcting the statements in your post Jack, just
> trying to keep the facts straight here to avoid further confusion.
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
> ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jridgway
> Sent: 05 August 2009 12:01 am
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
>
> <jridgway@academicplanet.com>
>
> I just chatted with the A/P who does a lot of work with our EAA chapter.
> He
> told me we have about half a dozen fixed wing aircraft in the local area
> that are ELSA. These aircraft are home built but for numerous reasons were
> never were licensed EXPERIMENTAL and were just being flown as VERY HEAVY
> ULTRALIGHTS....lol..The FAA gave a chance for all these ROGUE aircraft to
> get legal by licensing them under the ELSA. This was about 2 years ago and
> terminated Dec 2008. If you did not take advantage of this AMNESTY you are
> really *^^)(& if you ever need to get legal now on a plane that was not
> registered by the original builder.
> Jack
> PS..Kind of interesting..If you purchased a EXPERIMENTAL aircraft (and
> were
> not the builder) you need a A/P to do the annual. If you purchased the
> same
> plane (and was unlicensed) under the ELSA amnesty anybody can go to a 2
> day
> course and get a REPAIRMANS CERTIFICATE and do the annuals and the same
> aircraft..
> PS..To be honest...the ELSA does have some restrictions that a fully
> registered EXPERIMENTAL does not have.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256105#256105
>
>
>
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Small single engine airplanes are great fun and nice to go somewhere when you do
not have to get somewhere at a certain time... But trying to use a small single
engine airplane to go somewhere you have to be is a great way to die. I
would not even recommend a Cessna 172 for what you are talking about. This F-16
pilot obviously does not understand the limitations and differences of flying
a single engine light plane in weather. With the pressure to get to work,
or get home, people make really stupid choices and end up crashing. 100 miles
is not that far, he would be much better off just driving it in his car.
Given the amount of time to CHECK THE WEATHER, Fuel, Untie, Preflight, get to where
you are going, do an instrument approach, and tie the airplane down, it would
actually take LONGER than driving a car. I would have expected a little
better judgment from an F-16 Driver.
Mike
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have !!!
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Michel wrote:
> Hello guys,
> But, because he must fly all days, also in the winter, be must do it IFR. He
has all the licenses he needs for it but ...
>
This guy obviously did not consider Icing flying IFR in winter. Icing conditions
will make a small single engine plane crash very quickly. The pressure to
get home or get to work will assure that this guy will push his luck and fly in
conditions that he should not. This sounds like one of the worst plans I have
heard in a long time.
mike
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have !!!
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If the aircraft weighs 600 lbs/2place and is flying with out FAA registration..then
I (and the FAA) called that a rouge aircraft ( whether it is a 2 place ultralight
or a kitfox or ???)..just my 2 cents...
Jack
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The FAA called them Red(rouge) aircraft!!??
Exactly where did you get this fact Jack? A search of the FAA site, and in
fact the entire Internet
(http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="rogue+aircraft"&aq=f&oq=&aqi=) for
"rogue aircraft" reveals only the kind of aircraft that people want to shoot
down, not Kitfoxes and ultralights. Although I'm sure some folks might want
to...
Sorry list, couldn't resist, and I hope you have a sense of humor there
Jack, just having a bit o' fun with this - it's a slow day.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jridgway
Sent: 05 August 2009 1:54 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
If the aircraft weighs 600 lbs/2place and is flying with out FAA
registration..then I (and the FAA) called that a rouge aircraft ( whether it
is a 2 place ultralight or a kitfox or ???)..just my 2 cents...
Jack
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> From: JetPilot [orcabonita@hotmail.com]
> This guy obviously did not consider Icing flying IFR in winter.
I know, Mike, I have a friend who went flying in icing fog. He reached only 200
ft AGL before he went down on the top of the trees. Broke the wings but could
walk away from it. The snow makes an excellent cushion.
Anyway, this Danish guy who asks about Kitfox is a F-16 pilot and I don't feel
like teaching him aviation meteorology.
Incidentally, he writes now, wondering if he has a chance to buy a IFR instrumented
Kitfox in the US. If anyone knows one for sale.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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> From: Weiss Richard [MDKitfox@aol.com]
> Congratulations on getting your medical back. Having once been in the
> same mode, I know how happy you must be. Enjoy the flying!
Tanks, Rick. Getting back my driving license was just as good! You see, I need
to get to the airfield before I can fly! :-)
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Brake lines filling |
I'M sure someone out there has a trick to fill those matco brake lines
with brake fluid. I tried pumping the oil from the bleeder on the
caliper with my hand oiler pump but din't make it. What do you guys use
to do that? Is there an existing tool or do we have to make one?
Jack
Kitfox 4-Rotax 912
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| Subject: | Re : Trailer available |
I have a heavy duty trailer for sale. Located in Canada but have a
friend who is trucking your way every week.
Jack
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| Subject: | Re: Rotec TBI success story |
Lyn, I would not think the fuel flow is that out of line. When I went from carbed
to FI on my boat, I went from 23 GPH WOT to 13 GPH WOT. Cruise went from
18 GPH to just under 7 GPH.
I know that when running the snowmachines, the EFI 800 burns WAY less fuel than
my carbed 600 and WAY WAY less fuel than my carbed 800. Hence my wanting to
put the AC 800 EFI in my Avid. 120 HP and 100# Tq at 6800.... on EFI.... dang
would that be nice or what!
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
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| Subject: | Re: Brake lines filling |
That is how I fill them. Just did it last week on a new install. Make sure the
bleeder is not plugged off with grime in the end.
AHHHH one other thing to check. Did you by chance rebuild your masters? If so,
the little rubber pad you have to install and sand down did not get sanded down
enough and it wont let the fluid flow. I did this TWICE before I figured
it out. They give you a figure to sand it down to and I was just a couple thousandths
over that so I figured what the heck, close enough. Wrong. Gotta be
on the money with that one.
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Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
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congrats on the medical! you are a better man than I. If I lost my medical, I
would still have kept on flying. The only way they can keep me out of the air
is to lock me up! Does not mean I dont want to be legal, just means I love
flying more than the laws.
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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
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| Subject: | Re: Brake lines filling |
Did you have the cylinder bleeder screw out?
GLENN HORNE
Kitfox Model II
----- Original Message -----
From: rosane beaule
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:41 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Brake lines filling
I'M sure someone out there has a trick to fill those matco brake lines
with brake fluid. I tried pumping the oil from the bleeder on the
caliper with my hand oiler pump but din't make it. What do you guys use
to do that? Is there an existing tool or do we have to make one?
Jack
Kitfox 4-Rotax 912
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| Subject: | Re: Rotec TBI success story |
It seems low, Leonard, but today I was climbing at 800 fpm at 8200'
altitude, and it kept right on climbing, for as long as I held the
stick back, so it must be ok. It just doesn't seem right....
I can't wait to make a trip with it and see how much fuel I burn in a
practical test. I'm getting bored "runnin' up and down the same ol'
strip, gotta find a new place where the kids are hip"
....geez, did I REALLY say that?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 723.8 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: TBI installation done...tests flights underway
On Aug 5, 2009, at 6:54 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
> Lyn, I would not think the fuel flow is that out of line. When I
> went from carbed to FI on my boat, I went from 23 GPH WOT to 13 GPH
> WOT. Cruise went from 18 GPH to just under 7 GPH.
>
> I know that when running the snowmachines, the EFI 800 burns WAY
> less fuel than my carbed 600 and WAY WAY less fuel than my carbed
> 800. Hence my wanting to put the AC 800 EFI in my Avid. 120 HP
> and 100# Tq at 6800.... on EFI.... dang would that be nice or what!
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1450
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256239#256239
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake lines filling |
When pumping from the wheel cylinder, make sure that the bleeder
screw is on the BOTTOM. To any car mechanic, it looks backwards, but
it is the only way to bleed from the wheel cylinder back to the
master cylinder(s). When I first got my plan, I thought some dummy
got the bleeder screws on the wrong end of things, so when all else
fails "read the directions" and sure enough the directions were
right...bleeders go on the bottom, so the air is forced out the lines
and back to the master cyls. The air must/will travel upwards, so if
there's a pocket where the air can stop off "for a quickie" it will,
and you'll have a spongy pedal.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 723.8 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: TBI installation done...tests flights underway
On Aug 5, 2009, at 6:41 PM, rosane beaule wrote:
> I'M sure someone out there has a trick to fill those matco brake
> lines with brake fluid. I tried pumping the oil from the bleeder on
> the caliper with my hand oiler pump but din't make it. What do you
> guys use to do that? Is there an existing tool or do we have to
> make one?
> Jack
> Kitfox 4-Rotax 912
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Bob..you got me...I will get you next time...lol...
happy flying..jack
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Same would go for a 255 lb single seater. It was always illeagle to fly un
registered and over weight=2C both before and after sport pilot and LSA ca
me about. Take care=2C Jim Chuk Avids=2C Kitfox=2C Mn
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
> From: jridgway@academicplanet.com
> Date: Wed=2C 5 Aug 2009 10:54:10 -0700
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
m>
>
> If the aircraft weighs 600 lbs/2place and is flying with out FAA registra
tion..then I (and the FAA) called that a rouge aircraft ( whether it is a 2
place ultralight or a kitfox or ???)..just my 2 cents...
> Jack
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256191#256191
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| Subject: | Tool for positioning a bolt or washer plus nut |
I have not been able to successfully google where I can obtain a tool
for positioning a bolt, or washer plus nut, in a difficult to reach
place. I presently need it to mount my rudder.
One of our brethren has an Esco Hingemate Australia AN3 + AN4. I
have been unable to locate it or anything similar.
Any advice or help would be deeply appreciated.
Maurice 7A 912S 72" IVO GA
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| Subject: | Re: Re : Trailer available |
Sent you an email, thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: Tool for positioning a bolt or washer plus nut |
Maurice,
This might seem a bit primitive, but when I was helping the guy across the
street build his Lancair, we used a lot of instant glue - cyanoacrylate.
For the insertion of the rudder bolts, I made some aluminum strips - .040 X
1/2 inch - and glued the head of the bolt to the end of a strip and bent it
to the shape I needed. I suspect you could glue the washer to the nut and
the combination to an aluminum strip and get a turn or two using a wrench on
the bolt.
Also Harbor Freight has very larve hemostat like tools that I have used on
my Kitfox build.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
Covering Fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: "Maurice" <mo44d@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:59 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tool for positioning a bolt or washer plus nut
I have not been able to successfully google where I can obtain a tool for
positioning a bolt, or washer plus nut, in a difficult to reach place. I
presently need it to mount my rudder.
One of our brethren has an Esco Hingemate Australia AN3 + AN4. I have
been unable to locate it or anything similar.
Any advice or help would be deeply appreciated.
Maurice 7A 912S 72" IVO GA
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