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1. 01:19 AM - Re: Tool for positioning a bolt or washer plus nut (John Ciolino)
2. 03:04 AM - Re: Rotec TBI success story (Boilermaker2000)
3. 03:44 AM - Re: Re: Rotec TBI success story (lst)
4. 03:44 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox (lst)
5. 04:00 AM - WING BUILD START (lst)
6. 04:03 AM - Re: Rotec TBI success story (Av8r3400)
7. 04:37 AM - Re: Re: Rotec TBI success story (Larry Huntley)
8. 05:54 AM - Re: Rotec TBI success story (Boilermaker2000)
9. 06:00 AM - Re: WING BUILD START (Tom Jones)
10. 06:32 AM - Re: Brake lines filling (Roger Lee)
11. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: Rotec TBI success story (Marco Menezes)
12. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: WING BUILD START (Lowell Fitt)
13. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: Rotec TBI success story (Marco Menezes)
14. 07:55 AM - Re: Tool for positioning a bolt or washer plus nut (Scott DeMeyer)
15. 08:47 AM - Re: WING BUILD START (jdmcbean)
16. 09:26 AM - Re: IFR KItfox (JetPilot)
17. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: Rotec TBI success story (Lynn Matteson)
18. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: WING BUILD START (lst)
19. 01:41 PM - Re: WING BUILD START (lst)
20. 03:14 PM - Re: Seat pan (Patrick Reilly)
21. 03:34 PM - Re: Re: IFR KItfox (Patrick Reilly)
22. 04:01 PM - Pancakes - was Rotec TBI success story (Marco Menezes)
23. 04:03 PM - Re: IFR KItfox (n85ae)
24. 05:57 PM - Re: Re: WING BUILD START (bob noffs)
25. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: IFR KItfox (bob noffs)
26. 06:20 PM - Flyin U12 (Dee Young)
27. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: IFR KItfox (Guy Buchanan)
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| Subject: | Tool for positioning a bolt or washer plus nut |
Maurice,
Look at www.averytools.com, p/n 5866 for a bolt insertion tool. You could
make one of these pretty easily.
Also see p/n 41011TP if you have finger room. And p/n 23800 for washers.
These will hold nuts also. As Lowell suggested glue the washer and nut
together and use this tool to place on bolt.
John Ciolino
Model IV-1200
N9294Y
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Maurice
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:00 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tool for positioning a bolt or washer plus nut
I have not been able to successfully google where I can obtain a tool for
positioning a bolt, or washer plus nut, in a difficult to reach place. I
presently need it to mount my rudder.
One of our brethren has an Esco Hingemate Australia AN3 + AN4. I have
been unable to locate it or anything similar.
Any advice or help would be deeply appreciated.
Maurice 7A 912S 72" IVO GA
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| Subject: | Re: Rotec TBI success story |
What is the big obstacle in getting fuel injection for the Rotax two strokes?
Seems like this would have been figured out by now, but the only thing that comes
up in a google search is a really expensive one that was shown at AirVenture
1998.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256304#256304
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| Subject: | Re: Rotec TBI success story |
Hirth has FI on their two strokes and as someone mentioned earlier,
snowmobiles have used FI on their Rotax powered two strokes for many years.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Boilermaker2000" <wheeler.ryan@westfieldairport.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:02 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotec TBI success story
> <wheeler.ryan@westfieldairport.com>
>
> What is the big obstacle in getting fuel injection for the Rotax two
> strokes? Seems like this would have been figured out by now, but the only
> thing that comes up in a google search is a really expensive one that was
> shown at AirVenture 1998.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256304#256304
>
>
>
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I've had the privilege of being the second owner on two experimentals,
Pulsar XP and presently Long EZ. I perform all the maintenance during the
course of the year and pay an A&P to perform the annual conditional
inspections per the regs. I've had the benefit of a five time experimental
builder, 747 driver, A&P/IA perform several, which provides a great set of
expert highly experienced eyes. As I understand the regs the bottom line is
that the owner non-builder can perform any and all maintenance, but a
licensed A&P must perform (signoff), the conditional inspection. The EAA
site provides the regs and guidance to this effect.
Lane Taylor
New Kitfox IV owner/builder and someday (soon) flyer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:44 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
> Note the word "supervised" is never used with regards to the annual or
> 100-hour inspections in either section, only the words "performed and
> inspected". A "friend" who signs off an inspection he did not perform
> could
> be liable for any accidents due to anything that should have been caught
> during a legal inspection and could/should(my opinion) lose his license.
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
> ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Hart
> Sent: 05 August 2009 11:39 am
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
>
> <helili@chahtatushka.net>
>
> 65.85 Airframe rating; additional privileges.
> top
>
> (a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, a certificated
> mechanic with an airframe rating may approve and return to service an
> airframe, or any related part or appliance, after he has performed,
> supervised, or inspected its maintenance or alteration (excluding major
> repairs and major alterations). In addition, he may perform the 100-hour
> inspection required by part 91 of this chapter on an airframe, or any
> related part or appliance, and approve and return it to service.
>
> (b) A certificated mechanic with an airframe rating can approve and return
> to service an airframe, or any related part or appliance, of an aircraft
> with a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category after
> performing and inspecting a major repair or major alteration for products
> that are not produced under an FAA approval provided the work was
> performed
> in accordance with instructions developed by the manufacturer or a person
> acceptable to the FAA.
>
> [Doc. No. 1179, 27 FR 7973, Aug. 10, 1962, as amended by Amdt. 65-10, 32
> FR
> 5770, Apr. 11, 1967; Amdt. 65-45, 69 FR 44879, July 27, 2004]
>
> 65.87 Powerplant rating; additional privileges.
> top
>
> (a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, a certificated
> mechanic with a powerplant rating may approve and return to service a
> powerplant or propeller or any related part or appliance, after he has
> performed, supervised, or inspected its maintenance or alteration
> (excluding
> major repairs and major alterations). In addition, he may perform the
> 100-hour inspection required by part 91 of this chapter on a powerplant or
> propeller, or any part thereof, and approve and return it to service.
>
> (b) A certificated mechanic with a powerplant rating can approve and
> return
> to service a powerplant or propeller, or any related part or appliance, of
> an aircraft with a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport
> category after performing and inspecting a major repair or major
> alteration
> for products that are not produced under an FAA approval, provided the
> work
> was performed in accordance with instructions developed by the
> manufacturer
> or a person acceptable to the FAA.
>
> [Doc. No. 1179, 27 FR 7973, Aug. 10, 1962, as amended by Amdt. 65-10, 32
> FR
> 5770, Apr. 11, 1967; Amdt. 65-45, 69 FR 44879, July 27, 2004]
>
>
> John Hart
> KFIV, NSI Subaru
> Wilburton, OK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:03 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
>
>
> Bob,
>
> In the interest of keeping the facts straight, Anyone can do the
> maintenance
>
> on an amateur built experimantal aircraft and can do the annual condition
> inspection as well --if he can find an A&P who will sign certifying that
> "this aircraft has been inspected on [date] according to....". You and I
> are entitled to sign and affix our certificate numbers as the responsible
> party after an inspection. In the approved wording, it doesn't specify
> who
> did the inspection.
>
> All that is required is that an owner find an A&P that is wiling to
> endorse
> the log book. This procedure is done all the time and I expect by most
> list
>
> non builder owners.
>
> Regarding the Rogue comment. I think it is a fair assessment of the FAAs
> incentive in beginning the ELSA program. There were numerous two place
> non
> conforming "Ultralight trainers" that were being flown without any
> licensing
>
> whatsoever. Many heavy non regulation conforming "ultralights" as well.
> Enough in fact that the FAA considered it a major issue. These were the
> rogue aircraft referred to in the original post. Your particular
> situation
> is piggy backed onto the original intent of the ELSA program and correct
> me
> if I am wrong, but your airplane was certified in another country and was
> kindly treated by the FAA as a previously uncertified aircraft.
>
> If the FAA had just decided to look the other way regarding the "rogue"
> aircraft, your licensing of your imported aircraft would have to have
> taken
> another route.
>
> Lowell Fitt
> Cameron Park, CA
> Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
> Covering Fuselage
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:58 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
>
>
>> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>>
>>
>> The FAA created the Light Sport category of the Experimental type for
>> Airworthiness Certification in 2005 and set an end date of January 31st
>> 2008
>> for the conversion of non-registered aircraft to the new type. This
>> "amnesty" period applied to registration for an "N" number only, I
>> registered my Kitfox II in late 2007 and applied for and was granted and
>> ELSA Airworthiness Certificate in late 2008, after the closure of the
>> amnesty period, with no problems. Any aircraft previously issued any
>> Airworthiness type certificate was not eligible to convert to ELSA, only
>> unregistered uncertificated aircraft but I certainly wouldn't call my or
>> anyone else's aircraft that took advantage of this program "rogue".
>>
>> An ELSA aircraft is type certificated as "Experimental" with the same
>> restrictions and privileges as EAB aircraft (Experimental - Amateur
>> Built).
>> True there are additional restrictions on weight, adjustable props,
>> landing
>> gear, and a few other things (see
>> http://www.pilotfriend.com/experimental/spt_cat.htm for a complete list)
>> but
>> there is the added plus of being able to be the maintainer and inspector
>> of
>> your own aircraft even if you are not the builder, which for me was a
>> major
>> factor, and has absolutely nothing to do with the amnesty conversion
>> period
>> at the beginning of the category creation.
>>
>> No offense intended in correcting the statements in your post Jack, just
>> trying to keep the facts straight here to avoid further confusion.
>>
>> Bob Brennan - N717GB
>> ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
>> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
>> Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
>> Wrightsville Pa
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jridgway
>> Sent: 05 August 2009 12:01 am
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox
>>
>> <jridgway@academicplanet.com>
>>
>> I just chatted with the A/P who does a lot of work with our EAA chapter.
>> He
>> told me we have about half a dozen fixed wing aircraft in the local area
>> that are ELSA. These aircraft are home built but for numerous reasons
>> were
>> never were licensed EXPERIMENTAL and were just being flown as VERY HEAVY
>> ULTRALIGHTS....lol..The FAA gave a chance for all these ROGUE aircraft to
>> get legal by licensing them under the ELSA. This was about 2 years ago
>> and
>> terminated Dec 2008. If you did not take advantage of this AMNESTY you
>> are
>> really *^^)(& if you ever need to get legal now on a plane that was not
>> registered by the original builder.
>> Jack
>> PS..Kind of interesting..If you purchased a EXPERIMENTAL aircraft (and
>> were
>> not the builder) you need a A/P to do the annual. If you purchased the
>> same
>> plane (and was unlicensed) under the ELSA amnesty anybody can go to a 2
>> day
>> course and get a REPAIRMANS CERTIFICATE and do the annuals and the same
>> aircraft..
>> PS..To be honest...the ELSA does have some restrictions that a fully
>> registered EXPERIMENTAL does not have.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256105#256105
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | WING BUILD START |
I'm just beginning my Model IV wing layout. I have the original 1993
manual and the newest build manual from Kitfox for the IV. Both manuals
have language that infers that the wing is constructed in the jig with
the wing upright, "..place the spars with the strut brace outlines
facing down." One manual indicates placing the washout block under the
rear spar while the other indicates placing under the front spar. Both
have many pictures showing the wing being constructed in its inverted
position. Two manuals--perhaps too much information. I'd appreciate
any guidance as to what the wing build orientation is (if it matters),
and under which spar is the 1/2" washout block, which does matter. I
also realize that the washout block's position if relative to the wing
being constructed upright or inverted.
Thanks in advance,
Lane
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| Subject: | Re: Rotec TBI success story |
Boilermaker2000 wrote:
> What is the big obstacle in getting fuel injection for the Rotax two strokes?
Lawyers. As soon as any of the component manufacturers hear aircraft they either
run for cover or increase pricing by a factor of 10 (or more). This is the
same reason for the lack of fuel injection on the 900 series motors.
This is not me pontificating, this came from Brian from LEAF and Phil Lockwood
during their seminars at Airventure.[/i]
--------
Thanks,
Av8r3400
Kitfox Model IV-1200
912UL
IVO-IFA
Grove Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Rotec TBI success story |
Hmmmm, can we possibly get lawyers barred from the field of aviation because
of the hazards they provide by indirectly stopping inovation that could make
our machines safer. It is simple logic to me,but who am I? ;o) Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Av8r3400" <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:01 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotec TBI success story
Lawyers. As soon as any of the component manufacturers hear aircraft they
either run for cover or increase pricing by a factor of 10 (or more). This
is the same reason for the lack of fuel injection on the 900 series motors.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotec TBI success story |
Av8r3400 wrote:
> As soon as any of the component manufacturers hear aircraft they either run for
cover or increase pricing by a factor of 10 (or more).
It seems like there should be an aftermarket atv/pwc set-up that is available.
I'm not aware of a two-stroker used on a certified/production aircraft, so it
doesn't seem much different than all of the other non-aviation parts we use.
Except that we would want it to be pretty reliable and keep the engine making
noise.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256317#256317
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| Subject: | Re: WING BUILD START |
Lane, you will end up turning that wing over about 500 times before you finish
it. It is very important to have the washout block under the correct end of the
correct spar when you start.
I'll go get my builders log and look at the pictures so I can remember how I did
it.
Okay I am looking at a picture. I started with the wing upside down. The washout
block is under the Front spar tip.[u]
Now before you go beyond the point of no return wait for someone else on the list
to verify this. Just for a double check.
Be sure to build one left wing and one right wing. If you use the same jig you
will need to move the washout block so it is under the [u]front spar tip when
the wing is upside down.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Brake lines filling |
Here is what I use. From Ace Hardware for about $10. I used to use an oil can,
but this is so much faster and easier. You slip the plastic tube over the nipple,
loosen the nipple and pressure the lever. Air pressure forces it at a fast
rate through the system for filling and takes all bubbles with it. I put a plastic
water bottle on the other end with another tube at the reservoir to catch
the over flow from the flush. Piece of cake.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: Rotec TBI success story |
Like I said Lynn, pancakes in Cadillac Saturday and/or at Sugar Springs Sun
day. Be there or be square.
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
-
do not archive
-
--- On Wed, 8/5/09, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotec TBI success story
It seems low, Leonard, but today I was climbing at 800 fpm at 8200' altitud
e, and it kept right on climbing, for as long as I held the stick back, so
it must be ok. It just doesn't seem right....
I can't wait to make a trip with it and see how much fuel I burn in a pract
ical test. I'm getting bored "runnin' up and down the same ol' strip, gotta
find a new place where the kids are hip"
....geez, did I REALLY say that?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 723.8 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: TBI installation done...tests flights underway
On Aug 5, 2009, at 6:54 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
> Lyn, I would not think the fuel flow is that out of line.- When I went
from carbed to FI on my boat, I went from 23 GPH WOT to 13 GPH WOT.- Crui
se went from 18 GPH to just under 7 GPH.
>
> I know that when running the snowmachines, the EFI 800 burns WAY less fue
l than my carbed 600 and WAY WAY less fuel than my carbed 800.- Hence my
wanting to put the AC 800 EFI in my Avid.- 120 HP and 100# Tq at 6800....
on EFI.... dang would that be nice or what!
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1450
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256239#256239
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: WING BUILD START |
I second Tom's position.
The plan is to have the outboard end of the wing at less angle of attack
during flight. This improves stall characteristics as the outboard end will
stall slightly later than the root end. So if the wing is upright, the
washout block will be at the trailing edge of the outboard end. If the wing
is inverted, the block would be under the leading edge, outboard.
Excellent advice on buildint one right and one left wing. Sounds simple,
but it has been done the other way - Oops.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Second Build Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
Covering Fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:58 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: WING BUILD START
>
> Lane, you will end up turning that wing over about 500 times before you
> finish it. It is very important to have the washout block under the
> correct end of the correct spar when you start.
>
> I'll go get my builders log and look at the pictures so I can remember how
> I did it.
>
> Okay I am looking at a picture. I started with the wing upside down. The
> washout block is under the Front spar tip.[u]
>
> Now before you go beyond the point of no return wait for someone else on
> the list to verify this. Just for a double check.
>
> Be sure to build one left wing and one right wing. If you use the same
> jig you will need to move the washout block so it is under the [u]front
> spar tip when the wing is upside down.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256319#256319
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotec TBI success story |
That's like blaming the axe-for the axe murder, Larry. People tend to for
get that Lawyers are just tools.-It takes a litigious individual or griev
ing family to file the multimillion dollar-product liability lawsuit that
results in stifled innovation. (Not to mention a receptive jury).--
-
Our aircraft are, afterall, "experimental." So, we-experiment/ innovate a
nd to hell with-potential litigation. And, if the snowmachine, boat, auto
or homemade-part installed in our airplane fails, we resist the temptati
on to look for someone to sue.
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
-
do not archive
--- On Thu, 8/6/09, Larry Huntley <asq@roadrunner.com> wrote:
From: Larry Huntley <asq@roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotec TBI success story
Hmmmm, can we possibly get lawyers barred from the field of aviation becaus
e of the hazards they provide by indirectly stopping inovation that could m
ake our machines safer. It is simple logic to me,but who am I?---;o)
---Larry
----- Original Message ----- From: "Av8r3400" <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:01 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotec TBI success story
Lawyers.- As soon as any of the component manufacturers hear aircraft the
y either run for cover or increase pricing by a factor of 10 (or more).-
This is the same reason for the lack of fuel injection on the 900 series mo
tors.
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Tool for positioning a bolt or washer plus nut |
When I worked at Boeing, I used the "glue the nut and washer to a stick" me
thod daily. Works well!
--- On Wed, 8/5/09, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tool for positioning a bolt or washer plus nut
Maurice,
This might seem a bit primitive, but when I was helping the guy across the
street build his Lancair, we used a lot of instant glue - cyanoacrylate. Fo
r the insertion of the rudder bolts, I made some- aluminum strips - .040
X 1/2 inch - and glued the head of the bolt to the end of a strip and bent
it to the shape I needed.- I suspect you could glue the washer to the nut
and the combination to an aluminum strip and get a turn or two using a wre
nch on the bolt.
Also Harbor Freight has very larve hemostat like tools that I have used on
my Kitfox build.
Lowell Fitt
Cameron Park, CA
Model IV-1200 R-912 UL
Covering- Fuselage
----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice" <mo44d@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:59 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tool for positioning a bolt or washer plus nut
I have not been able to successfully google where I can obtain a tool for p
ositioning a bolt, or washer plus nut, in a difficult to reach place.- I
presently need it to mount my rudder.
---One of our brethren has an Esco Hingemate Australia AN3 + AN4.-
I have been unable to locate it or anything similar.
---Any advice or help would be deeply appreciated.
Maurice 7A 912S 72" IVO GA
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | WING BUILD START |
Lane,
Remember the intent is to have less angle of attack at
the
outboard (tip) leading edge than the root. =BD=94 block equals about 1
degree
of washout (twist)
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lst
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:57 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: WING BUILD START
I'm just beginning my Model IV wing layout. I have the original 1993
manual
and the newest build manual from Kitfox for the IV. Both manuals have
language that infers that the wing is constructed in the jig with the
wing
upright, "..place the spars with the strut brace outlines facing down."
One
manual indicates placing the washout block under the rear spar while the
other indicates placing under the front spar. Both have many pictures
showing the wing being constructed in its inverted position. Two
manuals--perhaps too much information. I'd appreciate any guidance as
to
what the wing build orientation is (if it matters), and under which spar
is
the 1/2" washout block, which does matter. I also realize that the
washout
block's position if relative to the wing being constructed upright or
inverted.
Thanks in advance,
Lane
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Michel wrote:
>
> > From: JetPilot [orcabonita@hotmail.com]
> > This guy obviously did not consider Icing flying IFR in winter.
> >
> >
>
> I know, Mike, I have a friend who went flying in icing fog. He reached only 200
ft AGL before he went down on the top of the trees. Broke the wings but could
walk away from it. The snow makes an excellent cushion.
>
> Anyway, this Danish guy who asks about Kitfox is a F-16 pilot and I don't feel
like teaching him aviation meteorology.
>
> Incidentally, he writes now, wondering if he has a chance to buy a IFR instrumented
Kitfox in the US. If anyone knows one for sale.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Norway
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
> Do not archive
>
>
Michael,
I know where you are coming from, you want to keep him as a friend. If you like
feel free to send him a link to this thread so that he can see my posts, I don't
mind taking the heat ;) A Kitfox is a great and very rewarding airplane
to have, flying is worth every cent you spend on it, but it is recreation.
When one trys to justify a single engine airplane as " Practical Transportation
" to work and back thats when bad choices are made in relation to weather and
people get themselves killed. I spent a bunch of money on my Kitfox, and is
worth every cent, but I will always remember its recreation and enjoying life...
It does not need to be practical :)
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Rotec TBI success story |
Count me in for Sunday....Cadillac is a bit of a jaunt (geez, ever
since I bought this Rotec TBI from the blokes in Australia, I've
adapted their lingo) for me right now, but the Sugar Springs thing
sounds like my kind of mission. I've been venturing further and
further away from 'home' each time I fly it since I installed the new
fuel system, and I don't want to get too far away in case something
goes bad.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 724.6 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: TBI installation done...tests flights underway
do not archive
On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> Like I said Lynn, pancakes in Cadillac Saturday and/or at Sugar
> Springs Sunday. Be there or be square.
>
> Marco Menezes N99KX
> Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
>
> do not archive
>
>
> --- On Wed, 8/5/09, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotec TBI success story
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 8:39 PM
>
>
> It seems low, Leonard, but today I was climbing at 800 fpm at 8200'
> altitude, and it kept right on climbing, for as long as I held the
> stick back, so it must be ok. It just doesn't seem right....
> I can't wait to make a trip with it and see how much fuel I burn in
> a practical test. I'm getting bored "runnin' up and down the same
> ol' strip, gotta find a new place where the kids are hip"
> ....geez, did I REALLY say that?
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 723.8 hrs
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: TBI installation done...tests flights underway
>
>
> On Aug 5, 2009, at 6:54 PM, akflyer wrote:
>
> <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Lyn, I would not think the fuel flow is that out of line. When I
> went from carbed to FI on my boat, I went from 23 GPH WOT to 13 GPH
> WOT. Cruise went from 18 GPH to just under 7 GPH.
> >
> > I know that when running the snowmachines, the EFI 800 burns WAY
> less fuel than my carbed 600 and WAY WAY less fuel than my carbed
> 800. Hence my wanting to put the AC 800 EFI in my Avid. 120 HP
> and 100# Tq at 6800.... on EFI.... dang would that be nice or what!
> >
> > --------
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> > Soldotna AK
> > Avid "C" / Mk IV
> > 582 IVO IFA
> > Full Lotus 1450
> > #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
> >
> > hander outer of humorless darwin awards
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256239#256239
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http:=======================
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: WING BUILD START |
Thanks Tom and John confirms as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: WING BUILD START
>
> Lane, you will end up turning that wing over about 500 times before you
> finish it. It is very important to have the washout block under the
> correct end of the correct spar when you start.
>
> I'll go get my builders log and look at the pictures so I can remember how
> I did it.
>
> Okay I am looking at a picture. I started with the wing upside down. The
> washout block is under the Front spar tip.[u]
>
> Now before you go beyond the point of no return wait for someone else on
> the list to verify this. Just for a double check.
>
> Be sure to build one left wing and one right wing. If you use the same
> jig you will need to move the washout block so it is under the [u]front
> spar tip when the wing is upside down.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256319#256319
>
>
>
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Thanks again John; great to be able to confirm with experts and
undoubtedly I'll look for more confirmation as I work through this very
exciting build.
----- Original Message -----
From: jdmcbean
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:24 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: WING BUILD START
Lane,
Remember the intent is to have less angle of attack at
the outboard (tip) leading edge than the root. =BD" block equals about
1 degree of washout (twist)
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lst
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:57 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: WING BUILD START
I'm just beginning my Model IV wing layout. I have the original 1993
manual and the newest build manual from Kitfox for the IV. Both manuals
have language that infers that the wing is constructed in the jig with
the wing upright, "..place the spars with the strut brace outlines
facing down." One manual indicates placing the washout block under the
rear spar while the other indicates placing under the front spar. Both
have many pictures showing the wing being constructed in its inverted
position. Two manuals--perhaps too much information. I'd appreciate
any guidance as to what the wing build orientation is (if it matters),
and under which spar is the 1/2" washout block, which does matter. I
also realize that the washout block's position if relative to the wing
being constructed upright or inverted.
Thanks in advance,
Lane
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Mike, Sorry to take this long to reply. I'm having trouble with this new
gmail format. I bet it would be very expensive to ship that seat pan. How
much would it take to purchase it? If the price is right maybe it would be
worth the postage.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Michael Laundy <mikelaundy@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
> Patrick,
>
> If you still want a seat pan I know where there may be one, but its over
> here in the UK. so postage costs may be a bit expensive. My engineering
> inspector has the remains of a KF 3 which is not repairable due to
> corrosion. (It turned over during a water landing and water got into the
> tubing and corroded them from the inside).
>
> He has supplied me with the pilots harness to replace my damaged one, and
> may have other useable bits and pieces.
>
> Mike Laundy
>
> KF 3, Rotax 582, UK
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 3/8/09, patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: patrick reilly <patreilly43@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Seat pan
> To: "kitfox matronics" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Monday, 3 August, 2009, 1:19 AM
>
> Kitfoxers, Does anyone have a fibre glass seat pan for a Model 3 that I can
> buy? I hacked mine up trying to redesign it.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
> **
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Len, Back in the early 50's they ended up taking away my great grandfather's
car. Taking his lisence didn't stop him. After all he was a retired road
commissioner of the county. Do Not Archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:26 PM, akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> congrats on the medical! you are a better man than I. If I lost my
> medical, I would still have kept on flying. The only way they can keep me
> out of the air is to lock me up! Does not mean I dont want to be legal,
> just means I love flying more than the laws.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1450
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256249#256249
>
>
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| Subject: | Pancakes - was Rotec TBI success story |
Hope to see you on Sunday then. BTW, Cadillac ((KCAD)-is all of 8 minutes
latitude further North than Sugar Springs (OMI1). :-)
-
Rain forecast for Saturday anyway. All you other Michigan Kitfox drivers, c
ome on up!
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
do not archive
--- On Thu, 8/6/09, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotec TBI success story
Count me in for Sunday....Cadillac is a bit of a jaunt (geez, ever since I
bought this Rotec TBI from the blokes in Australia, I've adapted their ling
o) for me right now, but the Sugar Springs thing sounds like my kind of mis
sion. I've been venturing further and further away from 'home' each time I
fly it since I installed the new fuel- system, and I don't want to get to
o far away in case something goes bad.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 724.6 hrs
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: TBI installation done...tests flights underway
do not archive
On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> Like I said Lynn, pancakes in Cadillac Saturday and/or at Sugar Springs S
unday. Be there or be square.
>
> Marco Menezes N99KX
> Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
>
> do not archive=0A=0A=0A
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Mine is IFR, with a full panel, not just pseudo IFR but with Vor, glideslope,
markers, gps, etc. I'm instrument rated, however I don't, and won't fly it
IFR except for punching layers or very simple stuff. It is simply too much
a hands on airplane. I think going flying IFR in the soup in a Kitfox, is
asking for trouble. Even VFR it can be a pain to hold a precise heading
and altitude. I flew a Diamond DA-20 recently that was considered
sensitive, and it felt like a school bus as far as sensitivity goes compared
to the Kitfox.
Some might think they could do it, and probably will, but I'm not
one of them.
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: WING BUILD START |
lane,
it is easy to reason this out. washout is made so the root end of the wing
quits ''flying'' before the tip. this is so a stall wont make the airplane
roll over. it will make the nose drop. so the wing is twisted so the root
has the most angle of attack and stalls first. the tips have less angle of
attack and are still ''flying'' as the nose drops. airspeed now picks up and
the whole wing is soon generating lift again.
bob noffs
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net> wrote:
>
> Lane, you will end up turning that wing over about 500 times before you
> finish it. It is very important to have the washout block under the correct
> end of the correct spar when you start.
>
> I'll go get my builders log and look at the pictures so I can remember how
> I did it.
>
> Okay I am looking at a picture. I started with the wing upside down. The
> washout block is under the Front spar tip.[u]
>
> Now before you go beyond the point of no return wait for someone else on
> the list to verify this. Just for a double check.
>
> Be sure to build one left wing and one right wing. If you use the same jig
> you will need to move the washout block so it is under the [u]front spar tip
> when the wing is upside down.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256319#256319
>
>
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jeff, your judgement is very good.
bob noffs
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:01 PM, n85ae <n85ae@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Mine is IFR, with a full panel, not just pseudo IFR but with Vor,
> glideslope,
> markers, gps, etc. I'm instrument rated, however I don't, and won't fly it
> IFR except for punching layers or very simple stuff. It is simply too much
> a hands on airplane. I think going flying IFR in the soup in a Kitfox, is
> asking for trouble. Even VFR it can be a pain to hold a precise heading
> and altitude. I flew a Diamond DA-20 recently that was considered
> sensitive, and it felt like a school bus as far as sensitivity goes
> compared
> to the Kitfox.
>
> Some might think they could do it, and probably will, but I'm not
> one of them.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256426#256426
>
>
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We are having a flyin in St. Anthony=2C Idaho on September the 12th startin
g at 10:00am till 2:00pm. Good spot to do some mountain flying and see some
great country. The airport is U12 Standford Field. Good stip - paved - 100
LL available on the field. Hope to see you here=2C head to hanger 18 for so
me RR and a cold drink and maybe a donut or ? Set in my hanger and watch th
e strip from a nice location. Coffee will be on by 6:30am.
See you here
Dee
Model II
N345DY
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At 12:27 PM 8/5/2009, you wrote:
>Incidentally, he writes now, wondering if he has a chance to buy a
>IFR instrumented Kitfox in the US. If anyone knows one for sale.
I volunteer to deliver it!
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting
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