---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/11/09: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:40 AM - Re: Engine Options (lst) 2. 04:15 AM - Re: ENGINE OPTIONS (lst) 3. 08:19 AM - Engine Options (RONAL SMITH) 4. 08:57 AM - Re: Landing Lights - was Series 7 Completion (jdmcbean) 5. 10:37 AM - Re: Jabiru 2200 oil cooler, was Engine Options (Jose M. Toro) 6. 01:16 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 oil cooler, was Engine Options (Lynn Matteson) 7. 03:18 PM - Re: ENGINE OPTIONS (Patrick Reilly) 8. 11:41 PM - crankshaft tools (Cecil Stokesberry) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:03 AM PST US From: "lst" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Engine Options Ron, Thanks for your feedback. ----- Original Message ----- From: RONAL SMITH To: Kitfox-List Digest Server Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:32 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine Options I have a KF IV with a Jabiru 2200, and I am pleased with it's performance. I would recommend using the Skyfox cowl instead of the round cowl. Cooling is a major issue, but if you have sufficient air flow over the cylinders, it doesn't seem to be a problem. Also you might need to rejet the Bing carb to control the EGTs. Ronal Smith, KF IV Jabiru 2200, S/N 2030, 150hrs. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:38 AM PST US From: "lst" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ENGINE OPTIONS Hi Pat, It came with the C box and a GSC ground adjustable three blade prop. Are you using the 582 grey head? If so, are you satisfied with it and what kind of performance are you experiencing? Appreciate your feedback. Lane ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Reilly To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ENGINE OPTIONS Lane, Why not use the 582? What reduction box is with it? Pat Reilly Mod3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 8:11 AM, lst wrote: I've performed a search regarding engine selection specific to VW applications and the AeroVee. Did anyone follow through with an AeroVee installation and if so, are you satisfied with performance? I have a new grey head 582 complete FF setup for my model IV, but am continuing to research other options. Appreciate any feedback. I've also been evaluating the Jabiru 2200. Lane arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:43 AM PST US From: "RONAL SMITH" Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine Options My oil cooler is located right in front of cooling fins on the Jabiru 2200 oil pan or case. There is about 0.5 inch clearance between the two. I have a bump-out over the cooler on the cowling with an opening at the bottom of the bump-out. This is so the air coming in the opening on the bottom cowl can flow over the oil cooler/engine case and then exit without pressurizing the bottom of the engine compartment. When I got my cowling, John McBean was not in business. If he has the smooth cowl for the Kitfox IV, I would certainly look at that. My dealings with John have been excellent. Ron Smith, Kitfox IV Jabiru 2200, S/N 2030, 150 hrs. Lewes, DE ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:56 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Landing Lights - was Series 7 Completion Roger, We now have several versions of lights that are Super Bright LED=99s Lower power consumption and longer life. I have one mounted in the nose of the 7 cowling Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean Ph 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" -----Original Message----- From: Roger McConnell Sent: Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:07 pm Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Series 7 Completion Chris, Nice looking plane. Could you give a little info on the lights you have attached to the landing gear? I am wanting to install some sort of landing lights on my Model 7 and need some ideas..thanks Roger McConnell, Duncan, OK Model 7 Trigear, Rotax 912uls Flying sense Jan. 06 _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [ mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CDE2fly@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:15 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Series 7 Completion After 3 1/2 years of construction, Series 7 N725CE took off for the firs t time on July 28th. I'm happy to report that the first flight was uneventful and required no trimming to fly hands off. Power is provided by a Rotax 912S turning a three bladed IVO electronically adjustable prop and it is a joy to fly with excellent control authority and stability (intercoastals were used on both the rudder and stabilizer). The panel includes includes a Dynon D100, Flight Cheetah FL210 moving map GPS with satellite weather and synthetic vision, EIS engine analyzer, icom A200 radio, and EP Load Center. Custom features include cockpit adjustable rudder trim and custom built hinge gap seals for the elevator which result in very effective elevator control and easy three point landings just above stall speed. The polyfiber system was used for coving and Aerothane paint was used throughout. Empty weight is 838 pounds...several photos attached. Looking forward to flying off the 40 hours! Chris Engler Kitfox 7 Rotax 912S _____ st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:04 AM PST US From: "Jose M. Toro" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru 2200 oil cooler, was Engine Options Ron:=0A=0AIs it the air flowing through the oil cooler COMPLETELY isolated from the air that flows through the cylinders?- If so, what means do you use to create a seal to keep both air flows separated.=0A=0ADid you build t he oil cooler attachments?=0A=0AThanks for your support!=0A=0AJos=E9=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: RONAL SMITH =0ATo: Kitfox-List Digest Server =0ASent : Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:15:25 AM=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Engine Optio ns=0A=0A=0AMy oil cooler is located right in front of cooling fins on the J abiru 2200 oil pan or case.- There is about 0.5 inch clearance between th e two.- I have a bump-out over the cooler on the cowling with an opening at the bottom of the bump-out.- This is so the air coming in the opening on the bottom cowl can flow over the oil cooler/engine case and then exit w ithout pressurizing the bottom of the engine compartment.- =0A-=0AWhen I got my cowling, John McBean was not in business.- If he has the smooth cowl for the Kitfox IV, I would certainly look at that.- My-dealings wi th John have been excellent.=0A-=0ARon Smith, Kitfox IV=0AJabiru 2200, S/ N 2030, 150 hrs.=0ALewes, DE=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:59 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Jabiru 2200 oil cooler, was Engine Options Just to throw another thought out there, Jose, I don't have the bump- out that Ron does, and I have the exact same cowl (also purchased before John McBean got into business). I just brought my cowl a tiny bit more forward than Ron did, and this gave me a little bit more clearance between the cowl and the cooler. However, I think Ron chose to bump his cowl for the air exit rather than the clearance needs....eh, Ron? I have found that I didn't need to exit the air before the rear cowl exit....mine also works, and cools the engine just fine. Because these Skyfox cowls are kinda long, the builder can choose to move them forward and down to suit where the engine sits, and that is all based on how the engine mount is configured. I really had a lot of fun (NOT!!) trying to fit my cowl to the top of the engine, to the oil cooler placement, and to the back of the prop flange. And of course, fitting it to the windshield would have been a real pain in the ass, if it hadn't been for Dave Jalanti's excellent article about that very thing. If you're not aware, do a Google search for Dave, and the article that he wrote in Kitplanes Magazine back in 2000 and 2001, I believe it was. I also think that there's a CD that might be available from Pete Krotje regarding the same. There, like any good NASCAR driver, I think I've got all the sponsors names in, and now we go to commercial......: ) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 730.7 hrs Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection Status: flying On Aug 11, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Jose M. Toro wrote: > Ron: > > Is it the air flowing through the oil cooler COMPLETELY isolated > from the air that flows through the cylinders? If so, what means > do you use to create a seal to keep both air flows separated. > > Did you build the oil cooler attachments? > > Thanks for your support! > > Jos > > From: RONAL SMITH > To: Kitfox-List Digest Server > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:15:25 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Engine Options > > My oil cooler is located right in front of cooling fins on the > Jabiru 2200 oil pan or case. There is about 0.5 inch clearance > between the two. I have a bump-out over the cooler on the cowling > with an opening at the bottom of the bump-out. This is so the air > coming in the opening on the bottom cowl can flow over the oil > cooler/engine case and then exit without pressurizing the bottom of > the engine compartment. > > When I got my cowling, John McBean was not in business. If he has > the smooth cowl for the Kitfox IV, I would certainly look at that. > My dealings with John have been excellent. > > Ron Smith, Kitfox IV > Jabiru 2200, S/N 2030, 150 hrs. > Lewes, DE > > ============================================================ _- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ENGINE OPTIONS From: Patrick Reilly Lane I am still about 2 weeks away from having mine airborne. I am rebuilding a mod 3 that was set up for a 912. I was going to install a 912 but found a 100 hr 582 grey head C box FWF for about 1/3 of what a good used 912 would cost. The 582 is so much lighter that it should out climb the 912. I am an old 2 stroke dirt bike racer so I am comfortable with, understand, and like 2 stroke engines. The older lighter KF seem to me to be a bush plane that I wouldn't relish taking long trips in no matter what engine it had. If you want to know if the 582's are acceptable talk with Dave in Canada, Noel in Newfoundland and Lenoard in Alaska. They are on this web and between the 3 of them have more 582 experience than the rest of the world put together. Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:07 AM, lst wrote: > Hi Pat, It came with the C box and a GSC ground adjustable three blade > prop. Are you using the 582 grey head? If so, are you satisfied with it > and what kind of performance are you experiencing? Appreciate your feedback. > > Lane > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Patrick Reilly > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2009 4:33 PM > *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: ENGINE OPTIONS > > Lane, Why not use the 582? What reduction box is with it? > > Pat Reilly > Mod3 582 Rebuild > Rockford, IL > > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 8:11 AM, lst wrote: > >> I've performed a search regarding engine selection specific to VW >> applications and the AeroVee. Did anyone follow through with an AeroVee >> installation and if so, are you satisfied with performance? I have a new >> grey head 582 complete FF setup for my model IV, but am continuing >> to research other options. Appreciate any feedback. I've also been >> evaluating the Jabiru 2200. >> >> Lane >> >> * >> >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:46 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: crankshaft tools From: Cecil Stokesberry I want to remove the crankshaft in my 582 grey head C box to inspect it and replace the seals. Is there any way to dis assemble the engine without using the specific rotax pullers? They are detailed in the LEAF and CPS catalogs. Cecil in N. 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