---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/14/09: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:00 AM - Re: S7 gross weights (Tom Jones) 2. 07:29 AM - Re: S7 gross weights (Roger McConnell) 3. 08:47 AM - Re: dry clutch (wingman) 4. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: dry clutch (Shane Sather) 5. 09:13 PM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 08/13/09 (Ed Gray) 6. 10:52 PM - Re: Re: dry clutch (Clint Bazzill) 7. 11:12 PM - Re: Re: dry clutch (Shane Sather) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:37 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: S7 gross weights From: "Tom Jones" My understanding and comment is the series 7 can be flown under sport pilot rules if the builder sets the Max gross weight at 1320. If you ask questions about "Light Sport Aircraft" the answers will confuse you in a hurry. Almost like playing with fire if you get into that discussion. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257633#257633 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:41 AM PST US From: "Roger McConnell" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: S7 gross weights John, I fly the non LSA Model 7 and it is rated with a gross weight of 1550 lb. It does also have the Grove gear. It is registered in the Experimental Homebuilt category. I too have never flown even close to the gross weight but I know the airframe and gear can handle it. Roger McConnell, Duncan, OK Model 7 Trigear, Rotax 912uls Flying sense Jan. 06 -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Reinking Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:36 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: S7 gross weights Gentlemen, I am looking at building the S7 because of it's features and design. Design selection had to include the load- carrying ability of the Aircraft. My problem: weight. 2 humans total 500 max plus full fuel 156 #. About 656. It will be built and licensed as E/AB LSA w/1320 gross wt limit. Adding the heavier landing gear rthe AIRCRAFT limit can go to 1550. (of course, no longer a LSA). Does that mean that the LSA aircraft can safely carry the 656# (if) it has the heavier landing gear? Don't plan on flying over gross EVER but is the licensing category the only element keeping me from being able to carry the heavier load at takeoff? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:43 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: dry clutch From: "wingman" it's just the sound of the clutch -------- Kitfox IV 1200 Rotax 912 ULS on full lotus floats Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257649#257649 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:23 PM PST US From: "Shane Sather" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: dry clutch It is not a good sound. It is the kind of sound that makes one happy to be on the ground and not in the air while it is happening. Maybe a bearing or something was too tight when the slipper parts were installed and when the engine gets hot it is too tight. ----- Original Message ----- From: "wingman" Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:45 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: dry clutch > > it's just the sound of the clutch > > -------- > Kitfox IV 1200 > Rotax 912 ULS > on full lotus floats > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257649#257649 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:21 PM PST US From: "Ed Gray" Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 08/13/09 Re: The question about what gauges to combine with an EFIS, my panel has a Grand Rapids Sport (with GPS and HITS) and a pitot airspeed as the only backup. Other instruments are water temp, egt, tach and fuel flow. I plan on a backup 12v. source (hobby battery) for the EFIS. The GRT provides the alt. data for the transponder. No vacuum source at all Plane is finished, waiting on FAA Cert. to go fly it--can't wait. Ed Gray, Dallas Mod. II, 582 B, do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kitfox-List Digest Server Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:59 AM Subject: Kitfox-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 08/13/09 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Kitfox-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Kitfox-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 09-08-13&Archive=Kitfox Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 2009-08-13&Archive=Kitfox =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/13/09: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:14 AM - Re: crankshaft tools (Mark Napier (napierm)) 2. 10:33 AM - Re: Avid ditches off Ireland shore (Tom Beirne) 3. 12:16 PM - Re: crankshaft tools (akflyer) 4. 12:18 PM - Re: crankshaft tools (akflyer) 5. 05:43 PM - S7 weights question (John Reinking) 6. 05:43 PM - S7 gross weights (John Reinking) 7. 05:45 PM - Re: crankshaft tools (JetPilot) 8. 06:05 PM - Re: EFIS (JetPilot) 9. 08:48 PM - Re: Re: crankshaft tools (Cecil Stokesberry) 10. 10:51 PM - dry clutch (Shane Sather) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:22 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: crankshaft tools From: "Mark Napier (napierm)" The harmonic balance puller is what I used to pull the flywheel from the PTO of my 582 also with a C box. I didn't use the fixation pin as I didn't want to put that much torque on the crank. Instead I just used another bar lever in-between two of the bolts to push against while tightening the puller. When you changed the gear ratio how did you pull the big gear off of the output shaft? Best Regards, Mark Time: 11:46:50 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: crankshaft tools From: "akflyer" you still need the rotax gear puller for the PTO end to change the seal. I broke down and bought one for changing the gear ratio on mine. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry aka SNAKE Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1450 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 hander outer of humorless darwin awards Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257329#257329 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:39 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Avid ditches off Ireland shore From: "Tom Beirne" SAR footage here -not sure if it will work outside Ireland. Skip to about 12min 30sec. No footage of the ditching but this was taken from the boat that was nearby Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257513#257513 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:02 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: crankshaft tools From: "akflyer" the rotax puller. I made a jig to hold the prop flange, then heat the gear up as it has red locktite on it. the rotax puller will pop it right off. I will be doing it again this time home going back to my 2.62 gears as i had better performance out of them. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry aka SNAKE Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1450 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 hander outer of humorless darwin awards Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257525#257525 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:01 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: crankshaft tools From: "akflyer" and I may have lied to you.. I know on a "B" box you dont have to pull the pinion gear off the crank to change the seal. I cant remember if the "C" gear is larger though. I will check it out when I get home next week and see if you can just slip the new seal on over the pinion gear. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry aka SNAKE Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 IVO IFA Full Lotus 1450 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 hander outer of humorless darwin awards Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257526#257526 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:42 PM PST US From: John Reinking Subject: Kitfox-List: S7 weights question Gentlemen, is the 1320# wt limit for the S7/LSA a paper limit? Reading the company site and their info brochures leads me to wonder if just adding the heavier landing gear (raising the wt limit on a NON LSA licensed aircraft) allows a wt limit of 1550#. Comments? Thanks, John Reinking/Woodinville, WA ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:42 PM PST US From: John Reinking Subject: Kitfox-List: S7 gross weights Gentlemen, I am looking at building the S7 because of it's features and design. Design selection had to include the load- carrying ability of the Aircraft. My problem: weight. 2 humans total 500 max plus full fuel 156 #. About 656. It will be built and licensed as E/AB LSA w/1320 gross wt limit. Adding the heavier landing gear rthe AIRCRAFT limit can go to 1550. (of course, no longer a LSA). Does that mean that the LSA aircraft can safely carry the 656# (if) it has the heavier landing gear? Don't plan on flying over gross EVER but is the licensing category the only element keeping me from being able to carry the heavier load at takeoff? ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:50 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: crankshaft tools From: "JetPilot" akflyer wrote: > > > the rotax puller.... > > #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 > > How much does the Rotax puller cost ??? Has it been that long already ? How time flys :) Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257589#257589 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:05 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: EFIS From: "JetPilot" I am installing a Grand Rapids EFIS in my Kitfox 7 SS. I will not be putting any backup instruments in it. I do not plan to fly IFR, and even if I lost the entire EFIS, anyone with a little skill and experience should be able to easily land a light plane like a Kitfox VFR with no instruments. A properly installed EFIS system is very reliable, probably more reliable than a panel full of old school vacuum driven Gyros, etc.... I have been flying EFIS airplanes thousands of hours for the last 10 years, EFIS is clearly superior to analog gages.. In a pinch, GPS makes a great backup for airspeed indicator. I know it reads ground speed, but I always have a pretty good idea of where the wind is coming from and how strong when I land, easy enough to get it within a few MPH if one has no skills and is not capable of doing a landing without airspeed [Wink] If I just had to have a backup, it would be a single airspeed indicator... Nothing else. For what its worth, I have seen several failures of mechanical airspeed indicators, but never an airspeed failure on an EFIS... In the end, its just a question if a builder is open minded enough to embrace new and better technology, or if he is so stuck in old ways, that he must have inferior analog gages... Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257596#257596 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: crankshaft tools From: Cecil Stokesberry Go on the CPS (California Power Systems) Web site and order their catalog. It is full of very useful info. www.800-airw2lf.com or www.leadingedgeadirfoils.com their catalog is very good but smaller. Both are rotax dealers with detailed descriptions and pictures of parts and tools. Cecil On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:43 PM, JetPilot wrote: > > > akflyer wrote: > > > > > > the rotax puller.... > > > > #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 > > > > > > > How much does the Rotax puller cost ??? > > Has it been that long already ? How time flys :) > > Mike > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have > !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257589#257589 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:42 PM PST US From: "Shane Sather" Subject: Kitfox-List: dry clutch I have a 912S and I had the clutch upgraded to the slipper clutch. I had the clutch done by a dealer but I had to remove and install the gear box myself. After I changed the clutch I ran the engine and it all seemed fine, no leaks and sounded good. Yesterday I taxied out on the water and took a few short runs just to check that all was well. Oil pressure was good, all temps were within limits. When I shut off the engine I could hear a dry sound. It appeared to be coming from the gearbox. I hand proped it and could hear the same sound almost a squeeking sound from the same area. Pulled the plugs to check them they were all fine (left them out) and after when the engine cooled a bit I hand proped it again and it sound normal. Is my gear box not getting oil? Or is something else wrong. Any ideas Shane ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:27 PM PST US From: Clint Bazzill Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: dry clutch What kind of oil are you using. No Moly I hope. Clint > From: shanesather@NETKASTER.CA > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: dry clutch > Date: Fri=2C 14 Aug 2009 17:39:07 -0600 > CA> > > It is not a good sound. It is the kind of sound that makes one happy to b e > on the ground and not in the air while it is happening. > Maybe a bearing or something was too tight when the slipper parts were > installed and when the engine gets hot it is too tight. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wingman" > To: > Sent: Friday=2C August 14=2C 2009 9:45 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: dry clutch > > > > > > it's just the sound of the clutch > > > > -------- > > Kitfox IV 1200 > > Rotax 912 ULS > > on full lotus floats > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257649#257649 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:27 PM PST US From: "Shane Sather" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: dry clutch I am using Honda 4 stroke oil. It is the same oil I have always used ----- Original Message ----- From: Clint Bazzill To: Kitfox list Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:44 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: dry clutch What kind of oil are you using. No Moly I hope. Clint > From: shanesather@NETKASTER.CA > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: dry clutch > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:39:07 -0600 > > > It is not a good sound. It is the kind of sound that makes one happy to be > on the ground and not in the air while it is happening. > Maybe a bearing or something was too tight when the slipper parts were > installed and when the engine gets hot it is too tight. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wingman" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:45 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: dry clutch > > > > > > it's just the sound of the clutch > > > > -------- > > Kitfox IV 1200 > > Rotax 912 ULS > > on full lotus floats > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257649#257649 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.