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1. 04:54 AM - Re: (Off topic) Towing or being towed (Ken Potter)
2. 05:17 AM - Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. (Hfirm)
3. 08:14 AM - Drain holes in wings (Dave G)
4. 08:44 AM - Re: Drain holes in wings (Weiss Richard)
5. 11:46 AM - Re: Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. (fox5flyer)
6. 11:57 AM - Re: Drain holes in wings (Dave G)
7. 01:09 PM - Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. (Hfirm)
8. 02:46 PM - Horizonal stab- access panel model 7 (Kitfox George)
9. 03:06 PM - Re: Drain holes in wings (Lynn Matteson)
10. 04:00 PM - Re: Drain holes in wings (Dave G)
11. 06:37 PM - Re: Drain holes in wings (dave)
12. 07:23 PM - Re: Drain holes in wings (akflyer)
13. 08:59 PM - Re: Drain holes in wings (Lynn Matteson)
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| Subject: | Re: (Off topic) Towing or being towed |
Michael, good pic of the failure area. In my work as a TSB Canada investigator
I see a fair number of component failures. I agree that the blade had a crack
from its trailing edge, as evidenced by the dark area which is actually oxidation.
The bright area is the final fracture and judging by the leading edge
it was probably a nick of some sort which propagated into a crack and then overstress
failure fairly rapidly. The trailing edge crack should have been noticeable
however during a pre-flight inspection.
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Model II, No. 483
Rotax 582, C-Box,
98% Complete
C-FJKP (marks reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. |
I'll take you up on that....It would be nice to save the $ and rebuild them....It
still may be a wiring issue....The builder does not remember checking the mags
individually....Deke, if you have that schematic handy, I'd love to take a
look at it.
On a side note, The -4 with the nosewheel is an easy plane on the ground. I miss
the tailwheel, but for anyone that is having trouble with the tailwheel, This
is the way to go...a monkey could land the kitfox with a nosewheel...
Howard
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| Subject: | Drain holes in wings |
I have just finished melting holes in my newly covered wings. Outboard
of each rib at the trailing edge and at the bottom of the rudder. They
look like the ultimate invitation to nasty flying bugs looking to build
nests to me. Does everyone have these holes? I need them with the
moisture here in the Maritimes Should I use the little hoods? Am I
concerned for no cause?
Dave Goddard
KF IV 1050 / 582 / Warp
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| Subject: | Re: Drain holes in wings |
Dave,
I wouldn't be too concerned about the bugs getting in, you can look
for that on your preflight. I would recommend you protect the hole
with either the seaplane grommets (little hoods as you say) or plain
ones, it's your choice. I used the seaplane grommets just in case I
decide to put my plane on floats. The grommets are used only to
protect your fabric. The holes allow moisture to drain from inside
the structure and everyone should have them. BTW, they are easy to
put on.
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
On Sep 12, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Dave G wrote:
> I have just finished melting holes in my newly covered wings.
> Outboard of each rib at the trailing edge and at the bottom of the
> rudder. They look like the ultimate invitation to nasty flying bugs
> looking to build nests to me. Does everyone have these holes? I need
> them with the moisture here in the Maritimes Should I use the little
> hoods? Am I concerned for no cause?
>
> Dave Goddard
> KF IV 1050 / 582 / Warp<IMG_0999.JPG>
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| Subject: | Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. |
Give me a few days, Howard. I'm away from home and as soon as I return I'll
take care of it.
I'm pretty sure the plug wires are a little out of whack.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 433+ TT
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
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From: "Hfirm" <zarpheous21@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:15 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
questions..
>
> I'll take you up on that....It would be nice to save the $ and rebuild
> them....It still may be a wiring issue....The builder does not remember
> checking the mags individually....Deke, if you have that schematic handy,
> I'd love to take a look at it.
>
> On a side note, The -4 with the nosewheel is an easy plane on the ground.
> I miss the tailwheel, but for anyone that is having trouble with the
> tailwheel, This is the way to go...a monkey could land the kitfox with a
> nosewheel...
> Howard
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262691#262691
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Drain holes in wings |
Thanks Richard. I'll glue the hoods on. It was a poor picture but for
those who care that is my first attempt at finish using Stewarts System
water borne urethane paint. The whole system is very easy to use, has a
fairly easy learning curve and is non toxic (mostly) and non flammable.
I cannot tolerate the fumes from MEK at all, so a real boon for me. The
Stewarts people are also top notch at customer support.
----- Original Message -----
From: Weiss Richard
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Drain holes in wings
Dave,
I wouldn't be too concerned about the bugs getting in, you can look
for that on your preflight. I would recommend you protect the hole with
either the seaplane grommets (little hoods as you say) or plain ones,
it's your choice. I used the seaplane grommets just in case I decide to
put my plane on floats. The grommets are used only to protect your
fabric. The holes allow moisture to drain from inside the structure and
everyone should have them. BTW, they are easy to put on.
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
On Sep 12, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Dave G wrote:
I have just finished melting holes in my newly covered wings.
Outboard of each rib at the trailing edge and at the bottom of the
rudder. They look like the ultimate invitation to nasty flying bugs
looking to build nests to me. Does everyone have these holes? I need
them with the moisture here in the Maritimes Should I use the little
hoods? Am I concerned for no cause?
Dave Goddard
KF IV 1050 / 582 / Warp<IMG_0999.JPG>
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| Subject: | Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions.. |
OK Deke, thanks a lot.
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| Subject: | Horizonal stab- access panel model 7 |
I have the semi pre-cut (openings pre-cut) access panels covers for the horizontal
stabilizer to the fuselage. How do you slice the panel to the openings to
fit around the horizontal tubing at the front but more importantly at the the
back for a nice clean look. Picture would be great.
George
Sport Model - 914- almost, but not yet!
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Drain holes in wings |
The hoods will also mask the fact that you should have burned the
holes BEFORE the application of the color coat. I believe that
admonition is covered in the Poly-Fiber manual. Doesn't the Stewarts
System tell you that? Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but somebody
had to.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 765.7 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~234 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
On Sep 12, 2009, at 2:51 PM, Dave G wrote:
> Thanks Richard. I'll glue the hoods on. It was a poor picture but
> for those who care that is my first attempt at finish using
> Stewarts System water borne urethane paint. The whole system is
> very easy to use, has a fairly easy learning curve and is non toxic
> (mostly) and non flammable. I cannot tolerate the fumes from MEK at
> all, so a real boon for me. The Stewarts people are also top notch
> at customer support.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Weiss Richard
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Drain holes in wings
>
> Dave,
>
> I wouldn't be too concerned about the bugs getting in, you can look
> for that on your preflight. I would recommend you protect the hole
> with either the seaplane grommets (little hoods as you say) or
> plain ones, it's your choice. I used the seaplane grommets just in
> case I decide to put my plane on floats. The grommets are used
> only to protect your fabric. The holes allow moisture to drain
> from inside the structure and everyone should have them. BTW, they
> are easy to put on.
>
> Rick Weiss
> N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
> SkyStar S/N 1
> Port Orange, FL
>
>
> On Sep 12, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Dave G wrote:
>
>> I have just finished melting holes in my newly covered wings.
>> Outboard of each rib at the trailing edge and at the bottom of the
>> rudder. They look like the ultimate invitation to nasty flying
>> bugs looking to build nests to me. Does everyone have these holes?
>> I need them with the moisture here in the Maritimes Should I use
>> the little hoods? Am I concerned for no cause?
>>
>> Dave Goddard
>> KF IV 1050 / 582 / Warp<IMG_0999.JPG>
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| Subject: | Re: Drain holes in wings |
Did somebody really have to? No problem, it's one of those things I figure
can be done when it's convenient, if that turns out to cause a problem, then
I was wrong, wouldn't be the first time. The Stewarts system does not
mention drain holes at all, and I have not seen them use any in the videos.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Drain holes in wings
>
> The hoods will also mask the fact that you should have burned the holes
> BEFORE the application of the color coat. I believe that admonition is
> covered in the Poly-Fiber manual. Doesn't the Stewarts System tell you
> that? Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but somebody had to.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 765.7 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~234 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying
>
>
> On Sep 12, 2009, at 2:51 PM, Dave G wrote:
>
>> Thanks Richard. I'll glue the hoods on. It was a poor picture but for
>> those who care that is my first attempt at finish using Stewarts System
>> water borne urethane paint. The whole system is very easy to use, has a
>> fairly easy learning curve and is non toxic (mostly) and non flammable.
>> I cannot tolerate the fumes from MEK at all, so a real boon for me. The
>> Stewarts people are also top notch at customer support.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Weiss Richard
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Drain holes in wings
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> I wouldn't be too concerned about the bugs getting in, you can look for
>> that on your preflight. I would recommend you protect the hole with
>> either the seaplane grommets (little hoods as you say) or plain ones,
>> it's your choice. I used the seaplane grommets just in case I decide to
>> put my plane on floats. The grommets are used only to protect your
>> fabric. The holes allow moisture to drain from inside the structure and
>> everyone should have them. BTW, they are easy to put on.
>>
>> Rick Weiss
>> N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
>> SkyStar S/N 1
>> Port Orange, FL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 12, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Dave G wrote:
>>
>>> I have just finished melting holes in my newly covered wings. Outboard
>>> of each rib at the trailing edge and at the bottom of the rudder. They
>>> look like the ultimate invitation to nasty flying bugs looking to build
>>> nests to me. Does everyone have these holes? I need them with the
>>> moisture here in the Maritimes Should I use the little hoods? Am I
>>> concerned for no cause?
>>>
>>> Dave Goddard
>>> KF IV 1050 / 582 / Warp<IMG_0999.JPG>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Drain holes in wings |
Dave,
Too late for seaplane grommets now if you already painted. Make sure you got
drain holes in flapperons as well at elevator and bottom of fuselage at rear.
If and when water gets in you certainly want it out. I would not worry about
bugs much.
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| Subject: | Re: Drain holes in wings |
not quite.. I put mine on (sea plane grommets) after the paint. A little Plast-i-zap
and some paint and you would never know the difference. So far, they are
holding on just fine.
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| Subject: | Re: Drain holes in wings |
When I said "somebody had to" (mention that the drain holes should
have been burned into the fabric...preferably during the Poly Spray
stage of the Poly Fiber process), it was to let you and *others* know
that by doing so, the burned edges of the holes can still be sanded,
THEN painted and thereby prevent the burned look the the pictured
holes display. The goal of this List is to let each other know the
proper way to perform certain tasks, and that way we all learn. I
used the Poly Fiber system, and they teach...I believe in their
manual...that the holes be burned at the Poly Spray stage....the
sanding stage, so that the final color will cover the burned and
sanded area, even IF no sanding is done. My comment was not to
degrade your work, but to let you and others, who may still be
building/learning, the proper procedure for burning the drain holes.
If you took exception to my remark, I apologize, but it was done for
the "greater good" as the popular phrase these days goes. As to
adding the so-called "seaplane drains" (I think they are called),
yes, they can be added after the paint, as they are clear, at least
the ones I've seen, and won't really detract from the finished
appearance of the job. And it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong
either. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 765.7 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~234 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
On Sep 12, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Dave G wrote:
>
> Did somebody really have to? No problem, it's one of those things I
> figure can be done when it's convenient, if that turns out to cause
> a problem, then I was wrong, wouldn't be the first time. The
> Stewarts system does not mention drain holes at all, and I have not
> seen them use any in the videos.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 6:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Drain holes in wings
>
>
>>
>> The hoods will also mask the fact that you should have burned the
>> holes BEFORE the application of the color coat. I believe that
>> admonition is covered in the Poly-Fiber manual. Doesn't the
>> Stewarts System tell you that? Sorry to be the bearer of bad news
>> but somebody had to.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 765.7 hrs
>> Countdown to 1000 hrs~234 to go
>> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Rotec TBI-40 injection
>> Status: flying
>>
>>
>>
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