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1. 05:53 AM - Re: Re: Long distance trailering (bjones@dmv.com)
2. 07:41 AM - Re: Long distance trailering (earnestj0)
3. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: Long distance trailering (Clint Bazzill)
4. 08:44 AM - Kitfox Model IV Prices with 582 (verizon)
5. 11:51 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 09/18/09 (Ed Gray)
6. 12:29 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 09/18/09 (Lynn Matteson)
7. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 09/18/09 (Patrick Reilly)
8. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 09/18/09 (Lynn Matteson)
9. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 09/18/09 (Lynn Matteson)
10. 03:52 PM - Tailwheels and Towing (was: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 09/18/09) (Michael Gibbs)
11. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: Long distance trailering (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
12. 04:42 PM - Re: Re: Long distance trailering (ctmcdowell@comcast.net)
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| Subject: | Re: Long distance trailering |
Re: trailering
I have trailered my model IV coast to coast and north to south border to
border more times than I can now remember. I stop where ever I want to
(all the usual tourist destinations) and fly. Just got back from trip
between Key West and Canada north of Vancover British Columbia and Bar
Harbor Maine. So I have loaded my model IV in a trailer and unloaded it
maybe 200 times, and trailered more than 50,000 miles with no known damage
done so far.
The tail is easy to lift with the wings out in flying position so I lift
it until the fuselage is level and set the tail wheel into a fixed
"cradle" on the trailer and pin it so it can't get lose.
Then I run a ~ 7 foot long 4 X 4 side to side under the tail, placing one
end up on a fixed mount. Next I lift the low end of the 4 X 4 up under the
front portion of the tail wheel spring to take some of the load off of the
tail wheel and immediately swing a support that is connected by large
hinges to the floor up into position to support that end of the 4 X 4.
The 3.5 foot lever arm from the tail wheel spring to that end of the 4 X 4
makes it relatively easy to lift the tail a bit and there is no risk of
hurting the plane or puncturing the fabric. Lifting the tail to position
it in a bracket to pin it in place can risk puncturing fabric in some
cases.
I then bolt two pieces of 3 inch aluminum angle to the 4 X 4 so that they
extend up on each side of the fuselage in a fixed position with a small
amount of space between fuselage and aluminum brackets for fender washers
and cushions. Next I run a bolt thru them and the tube thru the fuselage
frame that others have mentioned. Note that the tail is attached at two
points, the tail wheel and now the fuselage in case of accident or a
failure at one attach point. Trailer enough and things will get lose.
The long 4 X 4 provides a little "give" on rough roads (much like the idea
of soft tires). There is redundant support for the tail thru both the 4 X
4 and second the tail wheel spring but much of the load remains off of the
tail wheel spring and it can't flex and be stressed too much. The tail
wheel spring can't contact and possibly damage the rudder. In my Model IV
there is very little clearance in that area.
I find it quicker and easier to siphon fuel out of the wing tanks rather
than drain thru the gascolator or sump drains, and find that i get the
most fuel out when the tail is elevated so the fuselage is level and the
wings are folded. My early model IV has the large tanks if that makes a
difference.
BJ
N154K
443-480-1023
Bjones@dmv.com
>
> Thank you Lynn and all the other people who are giving good advice.
> Thiswill save me some damage=$$$.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 8:48:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Long distance trailering
>
>
> Keep the tire pressure low in the trailer so as to soften the ride.
> Chose a non-rainy day to tow. Drain all fuel, if any, from wing
> tanks. Make sure you have the "front-spar-to-lower-fuselage" braces
> in place. Keep weight off tail wheel by elevating tail slightly then
> attaching braces from trailer up to the tubing that is welded into
> the fuselage near the rear spring. This keeps the weight off the tail
> spring.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 770.6 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~230 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Lion8 wrote:
>
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>> Thanks for the info. I will check that.
>>
>> --------
>> Tom (Lion8), Currently Flying an LSA Trike
>> Kitfox IV coming soon.
>> Southern New Jersey
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263621#263621
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| Subject: | Re: Long distance trailering |
I have a boat trailer that I have adapted for my Kitfox. I haven't seen a Vixen
being trailered, so this may be different from yours. I have included a picture.
Supports are always used, either homemade or purchased from John McBean.
Hope this helps.
Ted
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Ted (Earnest Jacques)
McCall, ID
Kitfox V Vixen/Subaru Turbo
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Long distance trailering |
That sounds great. How about some pictures=2C Thanks for sharing.
Clint Living with Kitfox in garage.
> : Sat=2C 19 Sep 2009 08:49:53 -0400
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Long distance trailering
> From: bjones@dmv.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Re: trailering
>
> I have trailered my model IV coast to coast and north to south border to
> border more times than I can now remember. I stop where ever I want to
> (all the usual tourist destinations) and fly. Just got back from trip
> between Key West and Canada north of Vancover British Columbia and Bar
> Harbor Maine. So I have loaded my model IV in a trailer and unloaded it
> maybe 200 times=2C and trailered more than 50=2C000 miles with no known d
amage
> done so far.
>
> The tail is easy to lift with the wings out in flying position so I lift
> it until the fuselage is level and set the tail wheel into a fixed
> "cradle" on the trailer and pin it so it can't get lose.
>
> Then I run a ~ 7 foot long 4 X 4 side to side under the tail=2C placing o
ne
> end up on a fixed mount. Next I lift the low end of the 4 X 4 up under th
e
> front portion of the tail wheel spring to take some of the load off of th
e
> tail wheel and immediately swing a support that is connected by large
> hinges to the floor up into position to support that end of the 4 X 4.
>
> The 3.5 foot lever arm from the tail wheel spring to that end of the 4 X
4
> makes it relatively easy to lift the tail a bit and there is no risk of
> hurting the plane or puncturing the fabric. Lifting the tail to position
> it in a bracket to pin it in place can risk puncturing fabric in some
> cases.
>
> I then bolt two pieces of 3 inch aluminum angle to the 4 X 4 so that they
> extend up on each side of the fuselage in a fixed position with a small
> amount of space between fuselage and aluminum brackets for fender washers
> and cushions. Next I run a bolt thru them and the tube thru the fuselage
> frame that others have mentioned. Note that the tail is attached at two
> points=2C the tail wheel and now the fuselage in case of accident or a
> failure at one attach point. Trailer enough and things will get lose.
>
> The long 4 X 4 provides a little "give" on rough roads (much like the ide
a
> of soft tires). There is redundant support for the tail thru both the 4 X
> 4 and second the tail wheel spring but much of the load remains off of th
e
> tail wheel spring and it can't flex and be stressed too much. The tail
> wheel spring can't contact and possibly damage the rudder. In my Model IV
> there is very little clearance in that area.
>
> I find it quicker and easier to siphon fuel out of the wing tanks rather
> than drain thru the gascolator or sump drains=2C and find that i get the
> most fuel out when the tail is elevated so the fuselage is level and the
> wings are folded. My early model IV has the large tanks if that makes a
> difference.
>
> BJ
> N154K
> 443-480-1023
> Bjones@dmv.com
>
>
> >
> > Thank you Lynn and all the other people who are giving good advice.=C2
> > Thiswill save me some damage=$$$.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Friday=2C September 18=2C 2009 8:48:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Ea
stern
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Long distance trailering
> >
> >
> > Keep the tire pressure low in the trailer so as to soften the ride. =C2
> > Chose a non-rainy day to tow. Drain all fuel=2C if any=2C from wing =C2
> > tanks. Make sure you have the "front-spar-to-lower-fuselage" braces =C2
> > in place. Keep weight off tail wheel by elevating tail slightly then
=C2
> > attaching braces from trailer up to the tubing that is welded into =C2
> > the fuselage near the rear spring. This keeps the weight off the tail
=C2
> > spring.
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger
> > Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 770.6 hrs
> > Countdown to 1000 hrs~230 to go
> > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > Rotec TBI-40 injection
> > Status: flying
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 17=2C 2009=2C at 9:58 PM=2C Lion8 wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks for the info. I will check that.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> Tom (Lion8)=2C Currently Flying an LSA Trike
> >> Kitfox IV coming soon.
> >> Southern New Jersey
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263621#263621
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| Subject: | Kitfox Model IV Prices with 582 |
Would love to have some comments from you who have any idea what market
prices for Kitfox Model IV Prices with 582 with around 200 tac hours
since build. With a trailer for hauling.
In selling a fox is it better to part out the engine and plane seperate
in todays market?
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| Subject: | RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 09/18/09 |
Re: Towing the Kitfox on a trailer, Lynn your suggestions are excellent but
I have one question. My trailer elevates the tail wheel and the main gear
sits on a platform only one foot off the ground, so the plane is nearly
level. But I decided the extra shock absorption of the tailwheel spring
would be a benefit, since the tail surfaces are unsupported while towing. I
will accept your wisdom if you have good reasons.
I decided to thread the cross tubes on the aft fuselage and found that the
only tap in my set which would cut nice threads was a 9mm x 1.25 metric tap.
Then I discovered that 9mm bolts are hard to find, so I made some from 3/8
bolts. Then I realized that foreign car repair shops have lots of them
laying around from engine rebuilds. I think that is the size for Honda
bearing caps. But after all that, the bolts make a much easier connection
than running a threaded rod through the tube.
I didn't weigh all the 582 components in my plane, but I think the total
installation is only about 120 lbs, including water.
Ed Gray, Dallas, KII 582, taxi testing, waiting for FAA license. Do not
archive
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1. 05:50 AM - Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions..
(Michael Logan)
2. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Long distance trailering (Lynn Matteson)
3. 12:54 PM - NSI diodes (Jim Crowder)
4. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: Long distance trailering
(ctmcdowell@comcast.net)
5. 04:16 PM - FWF parts wanted for Rotax 912 (brentbidus@juno.com)
6. 07:35 PM - Re: Regarding the 582 weight.... (Noel Loveys)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 05:50:19 AM PST US
From: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
questions..
Deke and Jim,
The person that bought all of NSI's EA81 inventory was Mykal Templeman who
now runs Stratus ([mjt@camano.net]). I got my diodes from Mouser, they are
NTE517 5kV made for microwave ovens. They are a bit pricey for diodes.
Mike Logan
Dogwood Airpark
Fredericksburg, VA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Crowder
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:39 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
questions..
Deke,
I used a Dremel tool along with various other small tools to carefully
remove the potting compound and diodes. To test the diodes I took them to a
retired HP electrical engineer I had once built a house for and who became a
friend. He has a pretty complete lab at his house. As I remember due to
the size of the diodes it was difficult to fully test them. I obtained some
replacement diodes from a former NSI employee who I learned had purchased
NSI's inventory. I can't think of his name at this moment, but he builds
another well known EA81 aircraft conversion. I only replaced the diodes we
thought to be failed. You are correct in that they do fit tightly and I was
concerned that they might short out. I purchased the potting compound from
an electrical supply company. I think I still have the bottle at home and
will look for it along with my photos when I return from my current road
trip. I gave the unused diodes to the engine purchaser who took it all back
to Australia where he lives.
My work was successful and I ground ran the engine several times with no
problem after the repair--something I could not do before the repair.
Jim Crowder
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:19 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
> questions..
>
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Jim, I tore one of those isolation modules apart, mainly to see how
> they
> work. A friend and I determined that the failure wasn't from the
> diodes
> themselves, but the failure of the epoxy resin that is used as an
> electrical
> insulator to keep the high voltage from jumping across the diodes
> causing
> the engine to misfire. We also determined that the reason for the
> epoxy
> failure was the heat and vibration from the engine. Possibly placing
> the
> modules on the firewall away from the engine heat might prolong their
> life,
> but I think the module design would still cause failures eventually.
> The fact that you were able to rebuild one of the modules successfully
> speaks for your craftsmanship skills. Those little things are really
> packed
> in there. Did you use the same diodes? What sort of epoxy did you use
> for
> the potting compound? If you find the photos please post them.
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 433+ TT
> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Crowder" <jcrowder@lpbroadband.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:30 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
> questions..
>
>
> > <jcrowder@lpbroadband.net>
> >
> > Howard,
> > I at one time had that same engine and had a failure with one of the
> > modules. I successfully rebuilt the module and replaced the solid
> epoxy.
> > I
> > took some pictures of the operation to give to the individual who
> bought
> > the
> > engine. I am replacing that engine with a Jabiru 3300. I came
> across the
> > pictures a few weeks ago while purging my files. If you like I will
> try
> > to
> > find them again and attach them to an email to you. I am on the road
> > currently traveling through North Carolina with my wife and another
> couple
> > but have had internet connections at night. Rebuilding was much
> easier
> > than
> > I expected.
> >
> > Jim Crowder
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
> list-
> >> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hfirm
> >> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:56 AM
> >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
> >> questions..
> >>
> >>
> >> This is Howard for those of you who will remember me...I used to fly
> >> the purple monster in Northern Minnesota. I am helping a friend get
> his
> >> -4 in the air...we did a first flight last week....this plane had a
> >> landing incident and was converted to nosewheel.....a few flights on
> it
> >> now and everything is going nice...
> >> I'm having an ignition issue, I'm getting spark out of both A & B
> but,
> >> the module that the duel ign. goes to, is only letting half of the
> >> spark through to the plugs. Module A is blocking half and module B
> is
> >> blocking half. We have to have both ignitions on or it will only run
> on
> >> 2 cylinders. These modules seem to be solid epoxy and no way to
> >> open....Anything come up like this before? And while on the subject?
> >> Where did Lance Wheeler go off to? Anybody hear from him? I hope
> he's
> >> doing well...That NSI is a nice package..I have a lot of time behind
> >> them....It's fun to be in a kitfox again after so many years..
> >> Howard
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262589#262589
> >>
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Time: 07:24:14 AM PST US
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Long distance trailering
Keep the tire pressure low in the trailer so as to soften the ride.
Chose a non-rainy day to tow. Drain all fuel, if any, from wing
tanks. Make sure you have the "front-spar-to-lower-fuselage" braces
in place. Keep weight off tail wheel by elevating tail slightly then
attaching braces from trailer up to the tubing that is welded into
the fuselage near the rear spring. This keeps the weight off the tail
spring.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 770.6 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~230 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
On Sep 17, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Lion8 wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info. I will check that.
>
> --------
> Tom (Lion8), Currently Flying an LSA Trike
> Kitfox IV coming soon.
> Southern New Jersey
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263621#263621
>
>
________________________________ Message 3
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Time: 12:54:56 PM PST US
From: Jim Crowder <jcrowder@lpbroadband.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI diodes
Mike,
That's correct. It was Mr. Templeton I purchased them from.
Jim Crowder
Sent from my iPhone
________________________________ Message 4
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Time: 03:21:19 PM PST US
From: ctmcdowell@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Long distance trailering
Thank you Lynn and all the other people who are giving good advice.=C2- T
hiswill save me some damage=$$$.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 8:48:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Long distance trailering
Keep the tire pressure low in the trailer so as to soften the ride. =C2-
Chose a non-rainy day to tow. Drain all fuel, if any, from wing =C2-
tanks. Make sure you have the "front-spar-to-lower-fuselage" braces =C2-
in place. Keep weight off tail wheel by elevating tail slightly then =C2-
attaching braces from trailer up to the tubing that is welded into =C2-
the fuselage near the rear spring. This keeps the weight off the tail =C2
-
spring.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 770.6 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~230 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
On Sep 17, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Lion8 wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info. I will check that.
>
> --------
> Tom (Lion8), Currently Flying an LSA Trike
> Kitfox IV coming soon.
> Southern New Jersey
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263621#263621
>
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Time: 04:16:12 PM PST US
From: "brentbidus@juno.com" <brentbidus@juno.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: FWF parts wanted for Rotax 912
Good evening,
I bought my FWF from someone who didn't finish his project and I've
discovered
I'm missing some parts. Before I order them, I thought I'd check with the
list
to see if anyone has any they would like to sell.
All parts needed for a Rotax 912.
Rectifier/regulator connector housing (I have the regulator, just need the
black
connector) Rotax part number 965 335
New style oil tank dipstick (looks square vice round at top) Rotax part
number
956 151
Coolant expansion tank, Rotax part number 922 312 or 922 317
CHT or oil temp sender (screw in type, come with engine), Rotax part number
965
530 (need 2)
throttle splitter package for dual carb
choke splitter package
oil cooler
Thanks,
Brent Bidus
Kitfox 4/912
Colorado Springs CO
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Time: 07:35:33 PM PST US
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Regarding the 582 weight....
The 582 is also a two cylinder and carries a PSRU. The radiators and
associated plumbing also have a weight penalty. For all that for 64 hp the
582 is pretty good bang for the buck.
As for oil being heavier... Doesn't oil float on water and isn't antifreeze
heavier than water?
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:18 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Regarding the 582 weight....
<matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Hey Lynn - Call me stupid but the 582 is liquid cooled but a 2-stroker, and
the Jab is air-cooled and a 4-stroker, so the 582 "wet" has the weight of
the coolant and no oil and the Jab wet has the weight of the engine oil and
no coolant. I don't know what the liquid capacities are but doesn't that
kind of balance out? In fact I would think the oil is heavier?
>From an open, but somewhat confused, mind...
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:00 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Regarding the 582 weight....
I just happened to run across this on another group:
"The weight of the 582 plus liquids wound up being somewhat more than
the entire Jab installation (about three pounds) with no change in W/
B. I figure I lost a few pounds and gained 24 hp."
This was found on TeamKitfox (or whatever they call themselves), and
it was from a guy who pulled his 582 and installed a Jab 2200. I'm
not trying to sell Jabs, just trying to keep all our minds open.
Maybe the ENGINE doesn't weigh as much as a Jabiru, but you can't RUN
the engine without all the associated goodies. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 770.6 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~230 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
do not archive
On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:39 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
> Lynn, I will make a set of those spacers if I don't find them in
> the misc. fasteners I have left over. I think you are wrong on the
> Rotax 582 weight. I don't think it is anywhere near 132#. I have
> seen a weight on it but it escapes my memory right now. Your right,
> the 4" taller gear can't have much effect on the castor angle. I
> don't think my bush gear with 21"x12"x8" inch tires and tubes
> weighs much less than your landing gear. Those tires and tubes are
> heavy.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> wrote:
>
> For some reason I thought that the 582 was pretty close to the 132
> (advertised) lbs of the Jabiru, but I could be wrong. Oh,oh, I see
> another engine-weight battle looming on the horizon. : )
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Mine sits about the same way....front wheels in a "well" of sorts,
maybe 8" off the ground. The tailwheel is slightly elevated, and you
are right, the tailwheel should maybe be sprung somewhat....I was so
engrossed in getting the load off the tail spring, that I just built
two stiff bars to take the load off. I should have used a telescoping
spring arrangement to elevate the tailwheel, but give the frame some
spring. Good call, Ed. I think some folks were dropping the tailwheel
onto an inflated inner tube, or some other sort of "springy-thingy."
Maybe if I leave mine alone, I'll never have to trailer it ever
again....yeah, that's the ticket!
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 775.1 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~225 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
On Sep 19, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Ed Gray wrote:
>
> Re: Towing the Kitfox on a trailer, Lynn your suggestions are
> excellent but
> I have one question. My trailer elevates the tail wheel and the
> main gear
> sits on a platform only one foot off the ground, so the plane is
> nearly
> level. But I decided the extra shock absorption of the tailwheel
> spring
> would be a benefit, since the tail surfaces are unsupported while
> towing. I
> will accept your wisdom if you have good reasons.
>
> I decided to thread the cross tubes on the aft fuselage and found
> that the
> only tap in my set which would cut nice threads was a 9mm x 1.25
> metric tap.
> Then I discovered that 9mm bolts are hard to find, so I made some
> from 3/8
> bolts. Then I realized that foreign car repair shops have lots of
> them
> laying around from engine rebuilds. I think that is the size for
> Honda
> bearing caps. But after all that, the bolts make a much easier
> connection
> than running a threaded rod through the tube.
>
> I didn't weigh all the 582 components in my plane, but I think the
> total
> installation is only about 120 lbs, including water.
>
> Ed Gray, Dallas, KII 582, taxi testing, waiting for FAA license.
> Do not
> archive
>
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>
> 1. 05:50 AM - Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
> questions..
> (Michael Logan)
> 2. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Long distance trailering (Lynn Matteson)
> 3. 12:54 PM - NSI diodes (Jim Crowder)
> 4. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: Long distance trailering
> (ctmcdowell@comcast.net)
> 5. 04:16 PM - FWF parts wanted for Rotax 912
> (brentbidus@juno.com)
> 6. 07:35 PM - Re: Regarding the 582 weight.... (Noel Loveys)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:50:19 AM PST US
> From: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
> questions..
>
>
> Deke and Jim,
>
> The person that bought all of NSI's EA81 inventory was Mykal
> Templeman who
> now runs Stratus ([mjt@camano.net]). I got my diodes from Mouser,
> they are
> NTE517 5kV made for microwave ovens. They are a bit pricey for
> diodes.
>
> Mike Logan
> Dogwood Airpark
> Fredericksburg, VA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Crowder
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:39 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
> questions..
>
>
> Deke,
> I used a Dremel tool along with various other small tools to carefully
> remove the potting compound and diodes. To test the diodes I took
> them to a
> retired HP electrical engineer I had once built a house for and who
> became a
> friend. He has a pretty complete lab at his house. As I remember
> due to
> the size of the diodes it was difficult to fully test them. I
> obtained some
> replacement diodes from a former NSI employee who I learned had
> purchased
> NSI's inventory. I can't think of his name at this moment, but he
> builds
> another well known EA81 aircraft conversion. I only replaced the
> diodes we
> thought to be failed. You are correct in that they do fit tightly
> and I was
> concerned that they might short out. I purchased the potting
> compound from
> an electrical supply company. I think I still have the bottle at
> home and
> will look for it along with my photos when I return from my current
> road
> trip. I gave the unused diodes to the engine purchaser who took it
> all back
> to Australia where he lives.
>
> My work was successful and I ground ran the engine several times
> with no
> problem after the repair--something I could not do before the repair.
>
> Jim Crowder
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
>> list-
>> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:19 AM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
>> questions..
>>
>> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>>
>> Jim, I tore one of those isolation modules apart, mainly to see how
>> they
>> work. A friend and I determined that the failure wasn't from the
>> diodes
>> themselves, but the failure of the epoxy resin that is used as an
>> electrical
>> insulator to keep the high voltage from jumping across the diodes
>> causing
>> the engine to misfire. We also determined that the reason for the
>> epoxy
>> failure was the heat and vibration from the engine. Possibly placing
>> the
>> modules on the firewall away from the engine heat might prolong their
>> life,
>> but I think the module design would still cause failures eventually.
>> The fact that you were able to rebuild one of the modules
>> successfully
>> speaks for your craftsmanship skills. Those little things are really
>> packed
>> in there. Did you use the same diodes? What sort of epoxy did
>> you use
>> for
>> the potting compound? If you find the photos please post them.
>> Deke Morisse
>> Mikado Michigan
>> S5/Subaru/CAP 433+ TT
>> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
>> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
>> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jim Crowder" <jcrowder@lpbroadband.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:30 PM
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
>> questions..
>>
>>
>>> <jcrowder@lpbroadband.net>
>>>
>>> Howard,
>>> I at one time had that same engine and had a failure with one of the
>>> modules. I successfully rebuilt the module and replaced the solid
>> epoxy.
>>> I
>>> took some pictures of the operation to give to the individual who
>> bought
>>> the
>>> engine. I am replacing that engine with a Jabiru 3300. I came
>> across the
>>> pictures a few weeks ago while purging my files. If you like I will
>> try
>>> to
>>> find them again and attach them to an email to you. I am on the
>>> road
>>> currently traveling through North Carolina with my wife and another
>> couple
>>> but have had internet connections at night. Rebuilding was much
>> easier
>>> than
>>> I expected.
>>>
>>> Jim Crowder
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
>> list-
>>>> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hfirm
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:56 AM
>>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
>>>> questions..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is Howard for those of you who will remember me...I used to
>>>> fly
>>>> the purple monster in Northern Minnesota. I am helping a friend get
>> his
>>>> -4 in the air...we did a first flight last week....this plane had a
>>>> landing incident and was converted to nosewheel.....a few
>>>> flights on
>> it
>>>> now and everything is going nice...
>>>> I'm having an ignition issue, I'm getting spark out of both A & B
>> but,
>>>> the module that the duel ign. goes to, is only letting half of the
>>>> spark through to the plugs. Module A is blocking half and module B
>> is
>>>> blocking half. We have to have both ignitions on or it will only
>>>> run
>> on
>>>> 2 cylinders. These modules seem to be solid epoxy and no way to
>>>> open....Anything come up like this before? And while on the
>>>> subject?
>>>> Where did Lance Wheeler go off to? Anybody hear from him? I hope
>> he's
>>>> doing well...That NSI is a nice package..I have a lot of time
>>>> behind
>>>> them....It's fun to be in a kitfox again after so many years..
>>>> Howard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262589#262589
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:24:14 AM PST US
> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Long distance trailering
>
>
> Keep the tire pressure low in the trailer so as to soften the ride.
> Chose a non-rainy day to tow. Drain all fuel, if any, from wing
> tanks. Make sure you have the "front-spar-to-lower-fuselage" braces
> in place. Keep weight off tail wheel by elevating tail slightly then
> attaching braces from trailer up to the tubing that is welded into
> the fuselage near the rear spring. This keeps the weight off the tail
> spring.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 770.6 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~230 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Lion8 wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for the info. I will check that.
>>
>> --------
>> Tom (Lion8), Currently Flying an LSA Trike
>> Kitfox IV coming soon.
>> Southern New Jersey
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263621#263621
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:54:56 PM PST US
> From: Jim Crowder <jcrowder@lpbroadband.net>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI diodes
>
>
> Mike,
> That's correct. It was Mr. Templeton I purchased them from.
> Jim Crowder
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:21:19 PM PST US
> From: ctmcdowell@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Long distance trailering
>
>
> Thank you Lynn and all the other people who are giving good
> advice.=C2- T
> hiswill save me some damage=$$$.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 8:48:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> Eastern
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Long distance trailering
>
>
> Keep the tire pressure low in the trailer so as to soften the ride.
> =C2-
>
> Chose a non-rainy day to tow. Drain all fuel, if any, from wing =C2-
> tanks. Make sure you have the "front-spar-to-lower-fuselage" braces
> =C2-
>
> in place. Keep weight off tail wheel by elevating tail slightly
> then =C2-
>
> attaching braces from trailer up to the tubing that is welded into
> =C2-
>
> the fuselage near the rear spring. This keeps the weight off the
> tail =C2
> -
> spring.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 770.6 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~230 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Lion8 wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for the info. I will check that.
>>
>> --------
>> Tom (Lion8), Currently Flying an LSA Trike
>> Kitfox IV coming soon.
>> Southern New Jersey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263621#263621
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> ==========
> MS -
> ==========
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> =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin.
> ==========
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:16:12 PM PST US
> From: "brentbidus@juno.com" <brentbidus@juno.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: FWF parts wanted for Rotax 912
>
>
> Good evening,
>
> I bought my FWF from someone who didn't finish his project and I've
> discovered
> I'm missing some parts. Before I order them, I thought I'd check
> with the
> list
> to see if anyone has any they would like to sell.
>
> All parts needed for a Rotax 912.
>
> Rectifier/regulator connector housing (I have the regulator, just
> need the
> black
> connector) Rotax part number 965 335
> New style oil tank dipstick (looks square vice round at top) Rotax
> part
> number
> 956 151
> Coolant expansion tank, Rotax part number 922 312 or 922 317
> CHT or oil temp sender (screw in type, come with engine), Rotax
> part number
> 965
> 530 (need 2)
> throttle splitter package for dual carb
> choke splitter package
> oil cooler
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brent Bidus
> Kitfox 4/912
> Colorado Springs CO
>
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>
> Time: 07:35:33 PM PST US
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Regarding the 582 weight....
>
> The 582 is also a two cylinder and carries a PSRU. The radiators and
> associated plumbing also have a weight penalty. For all that for
> 64 hp the
> 582 is pretty good bang for the buck.
>
>
> As for oil being heavier... Doesn't oil float on water and isn't
> antifreeze
> heavier than water?
>
>
> Noel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
> Brennan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:18 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Regarding the 582 weight....
>
>
> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
>
> Hey Lynn - Call me stupid but the 582 is liquid cooled but a 2-
> stroker, and
>
> the Jab is air-cooled and a 4-stroker, so the 582 "wet" has the
> weight of
>
> the coolant and no oil and the Jab wet has the weight of the engine
> oil and
>
> no coolant. I don't know what the liquid capacities are but doesn't
> that
>
> kind of balance out? In fact I would think the oil is heavier?
>
>
>> From an open, but somewhat confused, mind...
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
>
> ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
>
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
>
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
>
> Wrightsville Pa
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:00 AM
>
>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Regarding the 582 weight....
>
>
> I just happened to run across this on another group:
>
>
> "The weight of the 582 plus liquids wound up being somewhat more than
>
> the entire Jab installation (about three pounds) with no change in W/
>
> B. I figure I lost a few pounds and gained 24 hp."
>
>
> This was found on TeamKitfox (or whatever they call themselves), and
>
> it was from a guy who pulled his 582 and installed a Jab 2200. I'm
>
> not trying to sell Jabs, just trying to keep all our minds open.
>
> Maybe the ENGINE doesn't weigh as much as a Jabiru, but you can't RUN
>
> the engine without all the associated goodies. : )
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
>
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 770.6 hrs
>
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~230 to go
>
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
>
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
>
> Status: flying
>
> do not archive
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:39 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
>
>
>> Lynn, I will make a set of those spacers if I don't find them in
>
>> the misc. fasteners I have left over. I think you are wrong on the
>
>> Rotax 582 weight. I don't think it is anywhere near 132#. I have
>
>> seen a weight on it but it escapes my memory right now. Your right,
>
>> the 4" taller gear can't have much effect on the castor angle. I
>
>> don't think my bush gear with 21"x12"x8" inch tires and tubes
>
>> weighs much less than your landing gear. Those tires and tubes are
>
>> heavy.
>
>>
>
>> Pat Reilly
>
>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>
>> Rockford, IL
>
>>
>
>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>
>> wrote:
>
>
>>
>
>> For some reason I thought that the 582 was pretty close to the 132
>
>> (advertised) lbs of the Jabiru, but I could be wrong. Oh,oh, I see
>
>> another engine-weight battle looming on the horizon. : )
>
>
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Lynn, The cup race in Rockford is Oct 3, Saturday morning. If you attend and
need a place to overnight, you can stay at my place.
Pat Reilly
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net> wrote:
>
> Mine sits about the same way....front wheels in a "well" of sorts, maybe 8"
> off the ground. The tailwheel is slightly elevated, and you are right, the
> tailwheel should maybe be sprung somewhat....I was so engrossed in getting
> the load off the tail spring, that I just built two stiff bars to take the
> load off. I should have used a telescoping spring arrangement to elevate the
> tailwheel, but give the frame some spring. Good call, Ed. I think some folks
> were dropping the tailwheel onto an inflated inner tube, or some other sort
> of "springy-thingy."
>
> Maybe if I leave mine alone, I'll never have to trailer it ever
> again....yeah, that's the ticket!
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 775.1 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~225 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Ed Gray wrote:
>
>>
>> Re: Towing the Kitfox on a trailer, Lynn your suggestions are excellent
>> but
>> I have one question. My trailer elevates the tail wheel and the main gear
>> sits on a platform only one foot off the ground, so the plane is nearly
>> level. But I decided the extra shock absorption of the tailwheel spring
>> would be a benefit, since the tail surfaces are unsupported while towing.
>> I
>> will accept your wisdom if you have good reasons.
>>
>> I decided to thread the cross tubes on the aft fuselage and found that the
>> only tap in my set which would cut nice threads was a 9mm x 1.25 metric
>> tap.
>> Then I discovered that 9mm bolts are hard to find, so I made some from 3/8
>> bolts. Then I realized that foreign car repair shops have lots of them
>> laying around from engine rebuilds. I think that is the size for Honda
>> bearing caps. But after all that, the bolts make a much easier connection
>> than running a threaded rod through the tube.
>>
>> I didn't weigh all the 582 components in my plane, but I think the total
>> installation is only about 120 lbs, including water.
>>
>> Ed Gray, Dallas, KII 582, taxi testing, waiting for FAA license. Do not
>> archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>>
>> 1. 05:50 AM - Re: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI questions..
>> (Michael Logan)
>> 2. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Long distance trailering (Lynn Matteson)
>> 3. 12:54 PM - NSI diodes (Jim Crowder)
>> 4. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: Long distance trailering
>> (ctmcdowell@comcast.net)
>> 5. 04:16 PM - FWF parts wanted for Rotax 912 (brentbidus@juno.com)
>> 6. 07:35 PM - Re: Regarding the 582 weight.... (Noel Loveys)
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 1
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 05:50:19 AM PST US
>> From: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan@cox.net>
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
>> questions..
>>
>>
>> Deke and Jim,
>>
>> The person that bought all of NSI's EA81 inventory was Mykal Templeman who
>> now runs Stratus ([mjt@camano.net]). I got my diodes from Mouser, they
>> are
>> NTE517 5kV made for microwave ovens. They are a bit pricey for diodes.
>>
>> Mike Logan
>> Dogwood Airpark
>> Fredericksburg, VA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Crowder
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:39 PM
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
>> questions..
>>
>>
>> Deke,
>> I used a Dremel tool along with various other small tools to carefully
>> remove the potting compound and diodes. To test the diodes I took them to
>> a
>> retired HP electrical engineer I had once built a house for and who became
>> a
>> friend. He has a pretty complete lab at his house. As I remember due to
>> the size of the diodes it was difficult to fully test them. I obtained
>> some
>> replacement diodes from a former NSI employee who I learned had purchased
>> NSI's inventory. I can't think of his name at this moment, but he builds
>> another well known EA81 aircraft conversion. I only replaced the diodes
>> we
>> thought to be failed. You are correct in that they do fit tightly and I
>> was
>> concerned that they might short out. I purchased the potting compound
>> from
>> an electrical supply company. I think I still have the bottle at home and
>> will look for it along with my photos when I return from my current road
>> trip. I gave the unused diodes to the engine purchaser who took it all
>> back
>> to Australia where he lives.
>>
>> My work was successful and I ground ran the engine several times with no
>> problem after the repair--something I could not do before the repair.
>>
>> Jim Crowder
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-
>>> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:19 AM
>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
>>> questions..
>>>
>>> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>>>
>>> Jim, I tore one of those isolation modules apart, mainly to see how
>>> they
>>> work. A friend and I determined that the failure wasn't from the
>>> diodes
>>> themselves, but the failure of the epoxy resin that is used as an
>>> electrical
>>> insulator to keep the high voltage from jumping across the diodes
>>> causing
>>> the engine to misfire. We also determined that the reason for the
>>> epoxy
>>> failure was the heat and vibration from the engine. Possibly placing
>>> the
>>> modules on the firewall away from the engine heat might prolong their
>>> life,
>>> but I think the module design would still cause failures eventually.
>>> The fact that you were able to rebuild one of the modules successfully
>>> speaks for your craftsmanship skills. Those little things are really
>>> packed
>>> in there. Did you use the same diodes? What sort of epoxy did you use
>>> for
>>> the potting compound? If you find the photos please post them.
>>> Deke Morisse
>>> Mikado Michigan
>>> S5/Subaru/CAP 433+ TT
>>> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
>>> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
>>> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jim Crowder" <jcrowder@lpbroadband.net>
>>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:30 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
>>> questions..
>>>
>>>
>>> <jcrowder@lpbroadband.net>
>>>>
>>>> Howard,
>>>> I at one time had that same engine and had a failure with one of the
>>>> modules. I successfully rebuilt the module and replaced the solid
>>>>
>>> epoxy.
>>>
>>>> I
>>>> took some pictures of the operation to give to the individual who
>>>>
>>> bought
>>>
>>>> the
>>>> engine. I am replacing that engine with a Jabiru 3300. I came
>>>>
>>> across the
>>>
>>>> pictures a few weeks ago while purging my files. If you like I will
>>>>
>>> try
>>>
>>>> to
>>>> find them again and attach them to an email to you. I am on the road
>>>> currently traveling through North Carolina with my wife and another
>>>>
>>> couple
>>>
>>>> but have had internet connections at night. Rebuilding was much
>>>>
>>> easier
>>>
>>>> than
>>>> I expected.
>>>>
>>>> Jim Crowder
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-
>>>>>
>>>> list-
>>>
>>>> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hfirm
>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:56 AM
>>>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Hi everyone, I'm back with a -4 with NSI
>>>>> questions..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is Howard for those of you who will remember me...I used to fly
>>>>> the purple monster in Northern Minnesota. I am helping a friend get
>>>>>
>>>> his
>>>
>>>> -4 in the air...we did a first flight last week....this plane had a
>>>>> landing incident and was converted to nosewheel.....a few flights on
>>>>>
>>>> it
>>>
>>>> now and everything is going nice...
>>>>> I'm having an ignition issue, I'm getting spark out of both A & B
>>>>>
>>>> but,
>>>
>>>> the module that the duel ign. goes to, is only letting half of the
>>>>> spark through to the plugs. Module A is blocking half and module B
>>>>>
>>>> is
>>>
>>>> blocking half. We have to have both ignitions on or it will only run
>>>>>
>>>> on
>>>
>>>> 2 cylinders. These modules seem to be solid epoxy and no way to
>>>>> open....Anything come up like this before? And while on the subject?
>>>>> Where did Lance Wheeler go off to? Anybody hear from him? I hope
>>>>>
>>>> he's
>>>
>>>> doing well...That NSI is a nice package..I have a lot of time behind
>>>>> them....It's fun to be in a kitfox again after so many years..
>>>>> Howard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262589#262589
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 2
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 07:24:14 AM PST US
>> From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Long distance trailering
>>
>>
>> Keep the tire pressure low in the trailer so as to soften the ride.
>> Chose a non-rainy day to tow. Drain all fuel, if any, from wing
>> tanks. Make sure you have the "front-spar-to-lower-fuselage" braces
>> in place. Keep weight off tail wheel by elevating tail slightly then
>> attaching braces from trailer up to the tubing that is welded into
>> the fuselage near the rear spring. This keeps the weight off the tail
>> spring.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 770.6 hrs
>> Countdown to 1000 hrs~230 to go
>> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Rotec TBI-40 injection
>> Status: flying
>>
>>
>> On Sep 17, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Lion8 wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Thanks for the info. I will check that.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Tom (Lion8), Currently Flying an LSA Trike
>>> Kitfox IV coming soon.
>>> Southern New Jersey
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263621#263621
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 3
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 12:54:56 PM PST US
>> From: Jim Crowder <jcrowder@lpbroadband.net>
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: NSI diodes
>>
>>
>> Mike,
>> That's correct. It was Mr. Templeton I purchased them from.
>> Jim Crowder
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 4
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 03:21:19 PM PST US
>> From: ctmcdowell@comcast.net
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Long distance trailering
>>
>>
>> Thank you Lynn and all the other people who are giving good advice.=C2- T
>> hiswill save me some damage=$$$.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 8:48:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Long distance trailering
>>
>>
>> Keep the tire pressure low in the trailer so as to soften the ride. =C2-
>>
>> Chose a non-rainy day to tow. Drain all fuel, if any, from wing =C2-
>> tanks. Make sure you have the "front-spar-to-lower-fuselage" braces =C2-
>>
>> in place. Keep weight off tail wheel by elevating tail slightly then =C2-
>>
>> attaching braces from trailer up to the tubing that is welded into =C2-
>>
>> the fuselage near the rear spring. This keeps the weight off the tail =C2
>> -
>> spring.
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 770.6 hrs
>> Countdown to 1000 hrs~230 to go
>> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>> Rotec TBI-40 injection
>> Status: flying
>>
>>
>> On Sep 17, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Lion8 wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Thanks for the info. I will check that.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Tom (Lion8), Currently Flying an LSA Trike
>>> Kitfox IV coming soon.
>>> Southern New Jersey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263621#263621
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ==========
>> ==========
>> MS -
>> ==========
>> e -
>> =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>> ==========
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 5
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 04:16:12 PM PST US
>> From: "brentbidus@juno.com" <brentbidus@juno.com>
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: FWF parts wanted for Rotax 912
>>
>>
>> Good evening,
>>
>> I bought my FWF from someone who didn't finish his project and I've
>> discovered
>> I'm missing some parts. Before I order them, I thought I'd check with the
>> list
>> to see if anyone has any they would like to sell.
>>
>> All parts needed for a Rotax 912.
>>
>> Rectifier/regulator connector housing (I have the regulator, just need the
>> black
>> connector) Rotax part number 965 335
>> New style oil tank dipstick (looks square vice round at top) Rotax part
>> number
>> 956 151
>> Coolant expansion tank, Rotax part number 922 312 or 922 317
>> CHT or oil temp sender (screw in type, come with engine), Rotax part
>> number
>> 965
>> 530 (need 2)
>> throttle splitter package for dual carb
>> choke splitter package
>> oil cooler
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brent Bidus
>> Kitfox 4/912
>> Colorado Springs CO
>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 6
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 07:35:33 PM PST US
>> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Regarding the 582 weight....
>>
>> The 582 is also a two cylinder and carries a PSRU. The radiators and
>> associated plumbing also have a weight penalty. For all that for 64 hp
>> the
>> 582 is pretty good bang for the buck.
>>
>>
>> As for oil being heavier... Doesn't oil float on water and isn't
>> antifreeze
>> heavier than water?
>>
>>
>> Noel
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:18 AM
>> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Regarding the 582 weight....
>>
>>
>> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>>
>>
>> Hey Lynn - Call me stupid but the 582 is liquid cooled but a 2-stroker,
>> and
>>
>> the Jab is air-cooled and a 4-stroker, so the 582 "wet" has the weight of
>>
>> the coolant and no oil and the Jab wet has the weight of the engine oil
>> and
>>
>> no coolant. I don't know what the liquid capacities are but doesn't that
>>
>> kind of balance out? In fact I would think the oil is heavier?
>>
>>
>> From an open, but somewhat confused, mind...
>>>
>>
>> Bob Brennan - N717GB
>>
>> ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
>>
>> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
>>
>> Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
>>
>> Wrightsville Pa
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>>
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
>> Matteson
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:00 AM
>>
>>
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Regarding the 582 weight....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I just happened to run across this on another group:
>>
>>
>> "The weight of the 582 plus liquids wound up being somewhat more than
>>
>> the entire Jab installation (about three pounds) with no change in W/
>>
>> B. I figure I lost a few pounds and gained 24 hp."
>>
>>
>> This was found on TeamKitfox (or whatever they call themselves), and
>>
>> it was from a guy who pulled his 582 and installed a Jab 2200. I'm
>>
>> not trying to sell Jabs, just trying to keep all our minds open.
>>
>> Maybe the ENGINE doesn't weigh as much as a Jabiru, but you can't RUN
>>
>> the engine without all the associated goodies. : )
>>
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
>>
>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>
>> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 770.6 hrs
>>
>> Countdown to 1000 hrs~230 to go
>>
>> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
>>
>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>
>> Rotec TBI-40 injection
>>
>> Status: flying
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:39 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
>>
>>
>> Lynn, I will make a set of those spacers if I don't find them in
>>>
>>
>> the misc. fasteners I have left over. I think you are wrong on the
>>>
>>
>> Rotax 582 weight. I don't think it is anywhere near 132#. I have
>>>
>>
>> seen a weight on it but it escapes my memory right now. Your right,
>>>
>>
>> the 4" taller gear can't have much effect on the castor angle. I
>>>
>>
>> don't think my bush gear with 21"x12"x8" inch tires and tubes
>>>
>>
>> weighs much less than your landing gear. Those tires and tubes are
>>>
>>
>> heavy.
>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>> Pat Reilly
>>>
>>
>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>>>
>>
>> Rockford, IL
>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>>>
>>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>> For some reason I thought that the 582 was pretty close to the 132
>>>
>>
>> (advertised) lbs of the Jabiru, but I could be wrong. Oh,oh, I see
>>>
>>
>> another engine-weight battle looming on the horizon. : )
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 09/18/09 |
Damn! I was planning on flying down to New Carlisle, Ohio, to take
part in a unique "hometown" parade that day. It's kinda cool.....fly
to the airport (private), and have your plane towed in the town
parade by a tractor, golf cart, lawnmower, whatever, and then it is
towed back to the airport, and you fly away home. When I heard about
this at MERFI, it sounded like a fun thing to take part in.
I'll have to think about it, Pat. Damn....too many things
happening at the same time.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 775.1 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~225 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
do not archive
On Sep 19, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
> Lynn, The cup race in Rockford is Oct 3, Saturday morning. If you
> attend and need a place to overnight, you can stay at my place.
>
> Pat Reilly
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 09/18/09 |
More on the tail wheel thing.....I was following the advice of the
group, or maybe it was in the building manual where it said to remove
the load on the rear spring. Now maybe this advice was given as the
result of rear springs being broken, possibly when they had the Grove
single-leaf springs, or the single main leaf and one helper spring. I
don't know. But your point is well taken...soften the ride of the
plane in some way.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 775.1 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~225 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying
On Sep 19, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Ed Gray wrote:
>
> Re: Towing the Kitfox on a trailer, Lynn your suggestions are
> excellent but
> I have one question. My trailer elevates the tail wheel and the
> main gear
> sits on a platform only one foot off the ground, so the plane is
> nearly
> level. But I decided the extra shock absorption of the tailwheel
> spring
> would be a benefit, since the tail surfaces are unsupported while
> towing. I
> will accept your wisdom if you have good reasons.
>
> I decided to thread the cross tubes on the aft fuselage and found
> that the
> only tap in my set which would cut nice threads was a 9mm x 1.25
> metric tap.
> Then I discovered that 9mm bolts are hard to find, so I made some
> from 3/8
> bolts. Then I realized that foreign car repair shops have lots of
> them
> laying around from engine rebuilds. I think that is the size for
> Honda
> bearing caps. But after all that, the bolts make a much easier
> connection
> than running a threaded rod through the tube.
>
> I didn't weigh all the 582 components in my plane, but I think the
> total
> installation is only about 120 lbs, including water.
>
> Ed Gray, Dallas, KII 582, taxi testing, waiting for FAA license.
> Do not
> archive
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| Subject: | RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 6 Msgs |
- 09/18/09)
Ed,
Do not tow the airplane with its weight on the tail wheel. With the
wings folded there is too great a load on the tail wheel assembly. A
lot of tail wheel springs and other components have been broken by
doing so.
If you want to cushion the ride, support the empennage underneath
(careful of the belly stringers!) or by using the towbar weldments
and put some shock absorbing material in or around the supports.
Mike G.
N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster
Phoenix, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Long distance trailering |
On Sat, September 19, 2009 7:38 am, earnestj0 wrote:
> I have included a picture.
Thanks for that. It's a beautiful machine. Good job!
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
"[W]hy give through agents whom we know not, to persons whom we know
not, and in countries from which we get no account, where we can do
it at short hand, to objects under our eye, through agents we know,
and to supply wants we see?"
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Michael Megear, 1823)
The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools.
-- Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903)
"When occasions present themselves, in which the interests of the
people are at variance with their inclinations, it is the duty of
the persons whom they have appointed to be the guardians of those
interests, to withstand the temporary delusion, in order to give
them time and opportunity for more cool and sedate reflection."
-- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 71
"Just as people use vastly different amounts of gasoline, they also
use vastly different amounts of medical care -- especially when an
appointment with a highly trained physician costs less than a
manicure. Insurance plans that force everyone in the plan to pay for
everyone else's Viagra and anti-anxiety pills are already completely
unfair to people who rarely go to the doctor. It's like being forced
to share gas bills with a long-haul trucker or a restaurant bill with
Michael Moore. On the other hand, it's a great deal for any lonely
hypochondriacs in the plan. ... You don't have to conjure up fantastic
visions of how health care would be delivered in this country if we
bought it ourselves. Just go to a grocery store or get a manicure. Or
think back to when you bought your last muffler, personal trainer,
computer and every other product and service available in inexpensive
abundance in this capitalist paradise. ... Isn't food important? Why
not 'universal food coverage'? If politicians and employers had
guaranteed us 'free' food 50 years ago, today Democrats would be
wailing about the 'food crisis' in America, and you'd be on the phone
with your food care provider arguing about whether or not a Reuben
sandwich with fries was covered under your plan. Instead of making
health care more like the DMV, how about we make it more like grocery
stores? Give the poor and tough cases health stamps and let the rest
of us buy health care -- and health insurance -- on the free market."
-- columnist Ann Coulter
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| Subject: | Re: Long distance trailering |
Thank Ted. Great shot of your Kit.=C2- My trailer rails sit about 24in. o
ff the road. Hope that is not to high.-Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "earnestj0" <earnestj@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:38:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Long distance trailering
I have a boat trailer that I have adapted for my Kitfox. =C2-I haven't se
en a Vixen being trailered, so this may be different from yours. =C2-I ha
ve included a picture. =C2-Supports are always used, either homemade or p
urchased from John McBean. =C2-Hope this helps.
Ted
--------
Ted =C2-(Earnest Jacques)
McCall, ID
Kitfox V Vixen/Subaru Turbo
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