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1. 03:57 AM - Re: starter replacement (fox5flyer)
2. 04:35 AM - Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? (tleed)
3. 05:05 AM - Re: starter replacement (dave)
4. 05:07 AM - Re: Stabilzer struts upgrade? (dave)
5. 05:10 AM - Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? (dave)
6. 05:22 AM - Re: Fuel Flow Problems, Again! (Vixen, Series-5) (FlyboyTR)
7. 05:27 AM - Re: starter replacement (carlisle)
8. 05:53 AM - Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? (tleed)
9. 07:01 AM - Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? (dave)
10. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Fuel line antifreeze (Noelloveys)
11. 07:56 AM - Re: starter replacement (Guy Buchanan)
12. 09:25 AM - Re: starter replacement (airjunkee)
13. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: starter replacement (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
14. 07:30 PM - Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? (tleed)
15. 08:14 PM - Re: Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? (Guy Buchanan)
16. 08:55 PM - Re: starter replacement (carlisle)
17. 09:47 PM - Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? (tleed)
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| Subject: | Re: starter replacement |
Chris, save yourself some grief and just pull the engine. You can have it
out on the bench in less than an hour where it will be convenient to work
on. Also, during that removal time it may be come evident what the problem
is. Also, those starters can be repaired.
Now, why do you think your starter is bad?
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
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From: "carlisle" <carlisle_99@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:35 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: starter replacement
>
> Anybody ever replaced their starter through the housing on the firewall?
> You know. The aluminum box that comes through the firewall from the
> engine compartment and contains the starter. Mine appears to have gone out
> on my Model 2, 582 and I don't relish removing the engine just to get at
> the starter.
>
> I also don't relish paying retail price for a new starter (~$800). Any
> suggestions there?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> Sioux Falls, SD
> Model 2, 582
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| Subject: | Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? |
Can anybody tell me where the line of thrust for a Kitfox Model IV-1200 should
be located? I've looked through my manual a bit and haven't found it yet.
I'm not sure how the factory described it, but if you can use the plane of the
firewall as one reference point, and the horizontal line through the middle engine
mount points as a second, that would easiest for me to follow.
I'm assuming the line is perpendicular to the plane of the firewall (can someone
confirm this?) and x number of inches above the middle engine mounts.
Thomas
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| Subject: | Re: starter replacement |
carlisle wrote:
> Anybody ever replaced their starter through the housing on the firewall? You
know. The aluminum box that comes through the firewall from the engine compartment
and contains the starter. Mine appears to have gone out on my Model 2,
582 and I don't relish removing the engine just to get at the starter.
>
> I also don't relish paying retail price for a new starter (~$800). Any suggestions
there?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> Sioux Falls, SD
> Model 2, 582
Don't waste you time , pull the engine.
Starter simple to fix --usually just clean up commutator bars , new brushes ( about
10$ or less) Depending what is wrong etc.
does your fly like this ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZEIzmyyPFY
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| Subject: | Re: Stabilzer struts upgrade? |
I have the 3/16' ones as well. Almost 1500 hours on it now and no problems.
Most the the issues stemmed from improper handling of the tails.
just DO NOT grab the struts on horiz stab.
Old video I just put up -- LOL
show me some of those new heavy weight one go up like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZEIzmyyPFY
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| Subject: | Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? |
Not sure of angle but I think it up a few degrees from the firewall centerline.
I have wanted to shim the mount out more at bottom with washers but works so
damn good I have not yet.
I was thinking adding 2 on bottom and 1 on middle of mount at firewall to start
then go 4 at bottom then 2 ..............
Anyone try this ?
build em light and make them perform .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZEIzmyyPFY
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Problems, Again! (Vixen, Series-5) |
All the fuel upgrades were completed yesterday...including remounting the engine
after the Alternator Drive Coupling replacement. The mods to the fuel system
seem to have taken care of the problem. I will post a few pictures as soon
as I find the camera!
Travis :D
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Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | Re: starter replacement |
Thanks guys. Kinda thought pulling the engine is probably best way to go anyway.
Engine/starter have about 160 hrs on them. Went flying on beautiful day after
several weeks of rain/wind. Landed on grass next to main runway and splattered
some mud up on the wing.
Decided to taxi over to main hanger to rinse off. Turned the key. Relay/solenoid
engaged but starter can only barely turn engine through compression cycles.
Ammeter checked during the flight showed good charge. New battery this year
but just to be sure, tried jumper start from fresh car batt without improvement.
Bypassed starter relay with heavy cable. No improvement.
Only thing left is B+ connection to starter post (might be corroded). Otherwise,
there's a shorted winding or other bad component in the starter. Acuity of
problem argues for this too. The thing was working one minute, then not the
next.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? |
What is the "firewall centerline" you're referring to? Is that the lateral line
drawn through the two middle engine mounts I'm looking at?
A few degrees? What does that mean?
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| Subject: | Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? |
What you are looking for is likely built into your engine mount.
Works great on mine
Just in from 1 hour flight on wheels . Getting those amphibs off makes it a real
hot road again :)
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| Subject: | RE: Fuel line antifreeze |
Got me! Both times... I never ask what I'm drinking. My answer is,
"whatever you're serving" One of these days I'll get a full serving of
hemlock.
Solder I was talking about was basically electrical soldering on copper
wires... I never thought of using it on mechanical parts like throttle
cables.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel
Verheughe
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 3:09 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Fuel line antifreeze
> From: Noelloveys [noelloveys@yahoo.ca]
> I hope you are not so brave to drink ethanol!
.... how do I know what I drink, I am already blind! :-))
Seriously and regarding soldering: The only place I have it is on the end
terminal of the throttle cable of my Jabiru. The end terminal is conic and
you open the wires of the cable into the cone and fill it with solder.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: starter replacement |
At 08:35 PM 11/7/2009, you wrote:
>I also don't relish paying retail price for a new starter
>(~$800). Any suggestions there?
Yes,
Sioux Falls is probably big enough to have a shop that works
on automotive starters. They'll generally be able to fix just about
any starter. Just make sure you tell them it's for a snow machine, or
wet-bike, or anything but an airplane.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting
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| Subject: | Re: starter replacement |
Hello Chris,
I have just registered on this forum (have been lurking for a while). I have a
kitfox iv 1050. I had a starter issue on a 582 blue head a few years back and
like you was not happy with the rotax starter pricing. My starter on my engine
had a rotax sticker on it but it also had a nippondenso sticker on it with
a part number. I ordered the nippondenso starter (around $160.00 US). The same
starter is also used on the 580 seadoo engine. The part numbers are as follows:
nippondenso 128000-486,491090 seadoo 278-000-311, 278-000-316
There is a Denso distributor that can ship out the starter to you 1-800-966-6672
I ordered the nippon denso starter and it worked great, you can also order a brushes
for about $14.00. The seadoo part numbers can be found by a google search
of "nippondenso 128000-486,491090"
Hope this information is useful
Shawn kitfox iv 912
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| Subject: | Re: starter replacement |
Chris,
Be sure that your electrical system is delivering full power to the starter
by connecting a DC volt meter across the B+ post on the starter and the
starter frame. A poor ground connection back to the battery can be the
culprit. A poorly crimped or corroded terminal can be the cause. Measure the
voltage delivered to the starter during cranking by method above. This
voltage reading will be the proof of what is going on.
John
In a message dated 11/8/2009 8:28:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
carlisle_99@yahoo.com writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "carlisle" <carlisle_99@yahoo.com>
Thanks guys. Kinda thought pulling the engine is probably best way to go
anyway.
Engine/starter have about 160 hrs on them. Went flying on beautiful day
after several weeks of rain/wind. Landed on grass next to main runway and
splattered some mud up on the wing.
Decided to taxi over to main hanger to rinse off. Turned the key.
Relay/solenoid engaged but starter can only barely turn engine through compression
cycles. Ammeter checked during the flight showed good charge. New
battery this year but just to be sure, tried jumper start from fresh car batt
without improvement. Bypassed starter relay with heavy cable. No
improvement.
Only thing left is B+ connection to starter post (might be corroded).
Otherwise, there's a shorted winding or other bad component in the starter.
Acuity of problem argues for this too. The thing was working one minute,
then not the next.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? |
Again: what are you talking about, Dave? Whatever it is you are saying, I appreciate
the effort, but it is no response to what I"m asking.
Let me try again.
I have a Kitfox Model IV-1200. I have no engine mount for it. I plan to mount a
Corvair on it. The engine mount will have to be custom-made. I have a viable
sketch done by a pair of competent airframe guys. But in order to come up with
some final dimensions, I need the proper location of the line of thrust. Or I
need to know where the factory designer assumed that line of thrust would best
be located.
I haven't seen this information on paper or on the net anywhere, though I've looked
in my factory manual. That manual just describes how to mount a 582 Rotax,
but it doesn't have a diagram that I've yet found that shows the line of thrust,
much less one that illustrates the relationship of the line of thrust to
the plane of the firewall with measurable dimensions.
Perhaps someone with a 582 Rotax on a Model IV and a factory mount can tell me
where the centerline of that prop is in relationship to the firewall?
Thomas
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| Subject: | Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? |
At 07:28 PM 11/8/2009, you wrote:
>Perhaps someone with a 582 Rotax on a Model IV and a factory mount
>can tell me where the centerline of that prop is in relationship to
>the firewall?
Thomas,
There's a wide variety of vertical placements, depending on
your choice of cowl and engine. The round cowl IV with a 912 (and
most every other engine) places the prop in the middle of the big
hole. The same cowl with a 582 is about 4" higher. (. . .to make it
fit.) With the "speed" cowl the thrust line is much higher.
Personally I don't think the vertical placement matters a whole lot.
What might matter more is the vertical and horizontal angles.
Unfortunately I can't help you with those without some serious work.
There has been a lot of discussion amongst my friends about thrust
angles and the current fad is setting all to zero. Don't know what
mine's at now. John McBean at Kitfox LLC might be able to help you.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting
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| Subject: | Re: starter replacement |
Shawn...Thanks a lot. That's the info I was looking for. Or at least I thought
so.
John...You win the prize. Had time today to remove cowling and sure enough, the
stud that holds the starter onto the rear housing had fractured. The starter
held but the grounding strap from there to the engine mount was hanging in the
wind.
Apparently, this is a common problem. Anyone else had their starter mounting studs
break off?
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? |
I don't have a "factory" cowl either. I'm using a custom cowl that fits the Corvair
engine better than the usual round Kitfox cowls. I can put this cowl wherever
I want after I get the engine located properly.
But let me see if I get what you're telling me:
1) the absolute height of the center of the crankshaft really isn't critical, give
or take a few inches; and,
2) whether the center of rotation of the crankshaft deviates from a line perpendicular
to the plane of the firewall in any direction is much more important;
and,
3) most people nowadays are orienting the center of the crankshaft 90 degrees from
the plane of the firewall in every direction to eliminate unusual settings.
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