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1. 12:23 AM - Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? (dave)
2. 12:27 AM - Re: starter replacement (dave)
3. 03:11 AM - Re: starter replacement (carlisle)
4. 04:55 AM - Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? (tleed)
5. 04:57 AM - Re: starter replacement (malpass)
6. 08:10 AM - Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? (Mark Napier (napierm))
7. 09:25 AM - Ultralight Store Canada (Joel)
8. 09:35 AM - Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? (tleed)
9. 09:47 AM - Great Plains 2300cc VW in a Kitfox IV (CarlStukey)
10. 03:16 PM - Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? (dave)
11. 03:20 PM - Re: starter replacement (carlisle)
12. 04:27 PM - Re: Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? (Guy Buchanan)
13. 04:32 PM - Re: Ultralight Store Canada (dave)
14. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? (Patrick Reilly)
15. 05:17 PM - Re: Great Plains 2300cc VW in a Kitfox IV (ron schick)
16. 06:21 PM - Re: Great Plains 2300cc VW in a Kitfox IV (TIM VADER)
17. 06:56 PM - Re: Great Plains 2300cc VW in a Kitfox IV (ron schick)
18. 07:58 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Flow Problems, Again! (Vixen, Series-5) (Michael Gibbs)
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| Subject: | Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? |
Sounds like you gonna be in R & D yourself for a while.
I am pretty sure you will want to angle your engine up a few degrees from centre
line of longitudinal axis. If you mount perpendicular to the firewall them
you will likely have to adjust up once going or have alot of trim on elevator.
I got a used 912 for sale 6k 1849 hours out of a certified trainer.
Your choice of course. I know that the time proven Rotax engines are proven to
out perform most other engines s in the Kitfox and Avids so I stick to what works
well.
I do wish you luck though.
tleed wrote:
> I don't have a "factory" cowl either. I'm using a custom cowl that fits the Corvair
engine better than the usual round Kitfox cowls. I can put this cowl wherever
I want after I get the engine located properly.
>
> But let me see if I get what you're telling me:
>
> 1) the absolute height of the center of the crankshaft really isn't critical,
give or take a few inches; and,
>
> 2) whether the center of rotation of the crankshaft deviates from a line perpendicular
to the plane of the firewall in any direction is much more important;
and,
>
> 3) most people nowadays are orienting the center of the crankshaft 90 degrees
from the plane of the firewall in every direction to eliminate unusual settings.
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| Subject: | Re: starter replacement |
carlisle wrote:
> Shawn...Thanks a lot. That's the info I was looking for. Or at least I thought
so.
>
> John...You win the prize. Had time today to remove cowling and sure enough,
the stud that holds the starter onto the rear housing had fractured. The starter
held but the grounding strap from there to the engine mount was hanging in
the wind.
>
> Apparently, this is a common problem. Anyone else had their starter mounting
studs break off?
>
> Chris
No studs broken off here but I will tell and warn you to make sure you adjust
to specs when replacing starter onto housing again. The spec is .040 ( 1 mil)
spacing. The starter is rubber mounted. failure to do so and you will likely
break off the the housing at rear of engine.
I would replace both studs at same time and run your ground to side of engine block
rather than the little jumper that you likey have. Also buy NEW self locking
nuts.
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| Subject: | Re: starter replacement |
Thanks Dave. I got the impression from the reading I've done so far that the starter
mounting is pretty critical. I'll be careful.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? |
All I really want to know is what the line of thrust is supposed to be. Is there
anybody who actually knows what that is? Please don't distract me from finding
that information or offer me other information. That's actually what I need
and all I want.
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| Subject: | Re: starter replacement |
Yes, starter mount stud breakage is common. If I can remember correctly, the one
on the left side is the one that always will break. The first one on my grayhead
broke at about 50 hours, and I just had to replace another recently at
about 550 hours. unfortunately engine removal is the best way to go, though I
have heard some, repair the starter from the cabin.[/quote]
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| Subject: | Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? |
Hello,
My 582, for the best I could tell, had a little left thrust. Not much.
No down thrust. It looked dead level.
My HKS mount is dead level and strait. As others have said, the
vertical placement of the thrust line (the center of the dang prop)
varies all over the place with different engines.
And not to belabor the obvious, but a corvair engine weighs a bit more
than an O-200 installation. The ones I've seen on Zenith's look a tad
nose heavy and the battery is typically back in the tail. This is way
heavy on a KF-IV. Even a VW engine is pushing it weight wise and
doesn't have good low speed thrust. There is a local guy who has a
KF-IV with a VW in it. He doesn't fly it much. I think he is afraid of
it. The 4-cylinder Jabiru does better. Much more power and less
weight.
I'll admit to not being a big fan of Rotax engines because every dang
nut, gasket and O-ring has a hideous price tag attached. But the power
and thrust you get out of them is great. Even the 2-stroke engines are
reliable as long as you stay right on top of all the maintenance and
operate them correctly.
I don't think this plane is a good match for the corvair engine.
FWIW,
Mark Napier
Time: 09:47:12 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust?
From: "tleed" <tleed@naxs.net>
I don't have a "factory" cowl either. I'm using a custom cowl that fits
the Corvair
engine better than the usual round Kitfox cowls. I can put this cowl
wherever
I want after I get the engine located properly.
But let me see if I get what you're telling me:
1) the absolute height of the center of the crankshaft really isn't
critical, give
or take a few inches; and,
2) whether the center of rotation of the crankshaft deviates from a line
perpendicular
to the plane of the firewall in any direction is much more important;
and,
3) most people nowadays are orienting the center of the crankshaft 90
degrees from
the plane of the firewall in every direction to eliminate unusual
settings.
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| Subject: | Ultralight Store Canada |
Hi, Can anyone tell me if the ultralight store at http://www.ultralightnews.ca/ is still in business? I have been trying to contact them for weeks without any response.
Thanks in advance,
Joel
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| Subject: | Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? |
Thanks, Mark, for your helpful and thoughtful reply. I really don't want to turn
this thread into an extensive discussion of the merits of various Kitfox engine/airframe
combinations. If that happens every time I ask a question I'll burn
a lot of months off the calendar and not have much to show for it. Suffice
it to say I did a lot of research before I started down this path. And if I decide
I want to change engines after I've got it flying, I will be among a large
company of other Kitfox owners who've done the same. And I'll be the first to
say it wasn't such a great idea if it really works out that way.
That said, if anybody else wants to join Mark with observations about the line
of thrust, I'm still all ears on that subject.
Thomas
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| Subject: | Great Plains 2300cc VW in a Kitfox IV |
I recently bought a flying Kitfox IV XL and am considering changing out the Rotax
503 for a Great Plains 2300cc (76-80hp) direct drive VW engine. Would anyone
who has had experience with a VW engine in a Kitfox please tell me if this is
a good idea or not. I'm concerned how I will address any CG problems, and any
other problems I might not have thought of.......Great Plains makes a firewall
forward kit including engine mount and a new cowling. I've only owned my airplane
for 6 months and really feel a need for more horsepower. The 503 is just
50hp. I am also brand new to this site having had Debra McBean direct me here.
Looking for all the help I can get!
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Carl Stukey
Kitfox IV XL 503
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| Subject: | Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? |
tleed wrote:
> I'm trying very hard not to appear snippy or ungrateful, but all I really want
to know is what the line of thrust is supposed to be. Is there anybody who actually
knows what that is? Please don't distract me from finding that information
or offer me other information. That's actually what I need and all I want.
Actually I have given you the answer now
You are in R & D land now my friend. Mark gave you some good insight as well.
I will tell you that Rotax are a excellent combo for the Kitfox. Other alternatives
have their pros and cons as well - Jab, Soobs BMW and VW but you will
lose performance overall in most cases and might save a dollar or two?
I would suggest if you want a 4 stroke that your best bang for buk will be a used
912 6 to 10k plus mount .........
If you want to play with all the others it it not like you are the first to do
it but the resale of your plane will be less than a Rotax in most cases.
Talk to Mc bean, he will tell you what he has to offer as well.
>> Sounds like you gonna be in R & D yourself for a while.
I am pretty sure you will want to angle your engine up a few degrees from centre
line of longitudinal axis. If you mount perpendicular to the firewall them you
will likely have to adjust up once going or have alot of trim on elevator.
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| Subject: | Re: starter replacement |
How are the studs installed? Are they threaded or pressed?
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? |
At 09:44 PM 11/8/2009, you wrote:
>3) most people nowadays are orienting the center of the crankshaft
>90 degrees from the plane of the firewall in every direction to
>eliminate unusual settings.
I don't know about this last. I said the "current" fad is 0 thrust
angles. However, I don't know if that's what was built in the past,
or if that's what mine is. I also don't know if that's what John's
engine mounts provide.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting
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| Subject: | Re: Ultralight Store Canada |
what do you need?
call 1866-418-4164
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| Subject: | Re: Where's Kitfox IV-1200 line of thrust? |
Thomas, I have no Corvair KF experience, but from the KF experience I do
have that Corvair engine seems mighty heavy.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:28 PM, tleed <tleed@naxs.net> wrote:
>
> Again: what are you talking about, Dave? Whatever it is you are saying, I
> appreciate the effort, but it is no response to what I"m asking.
>
> Let me try again.
>
> I have a Kitfox Model IV-1200. I have no engine mount for it. I plan to
> mount a Corvair on it. The engine mount will have to be custom-made. I have
> a viable sketch done by a pair of competent airframe guys. But in order to
> come up with some final dimensions, I need the proper location of the line
> of thrust. Or I need to know where the factory designer assumed that line of
> thrust would best be located.
>
> I haven't seen this information on paper or on the net anywhere, though
> I've looked in my factory manual. That manual just describes how to mount a
> 582 Rotax, but it doesn't have a diagram that I've yet found that shows the
> line of thrust, much less one that illustrates the relationship of the line
> of thrust to the plane of the firewall with measurable dimensions.
>
> Perhaps someone with a 582 Rotax on a Model IV and a factory mount can tell
> me where the centerline of that prop is in relationship to the firewall?
>
> Thomas
>
> --------
> Kitfox Model IV-1200
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271768#271768
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| Subject: | Great Plains 2300cc VW in a Kitfox IV |
I'm flying a 2275 with redrive in my MK IV Speedster and love it. Not sure
how it compares to a direct drive. Ron NB ORE.
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Great Plains 2300cc VW in a Kitfox IV
> From: cstukey@yahoo.com
> Date: Mon=2C 9 Nov 2009 09:43:28 -0800
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I recently bought a flying Kitfox IV XL and am considering changing out t
he Rotax 503 for a Great Plains 2300cc (76-80hp) direct drive VW engine. Wo
uld anyone who has had experience with a VW engine in a Kitfox please tell
me if this is a good idea or not. I'm concerned how I will address any CG p
roblems=2C and any other problems I might not have thought of.......Great P
lains makes a firewall forward kit including engine mount and a new cowling
. I've only owned my airplane for 6 months and really feel a need for more
horsepower. The 503 is just 50hp. I am also brand new to this site having h
ad Debra McBean direct me here. Looking for all the help I can get!
>
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> Carl Stukey
> Kitfox IV XL 503
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| Subject: | Re: Great Plains 2300cc VW in a Kitfox IV |
Carl
I=27m just getting ready to start my flight testing program with a Great
Plains 2276 cc-direct drive engine with the Great Plains engine mount
and exhaust=2E- I like the engine so far and think it will be a good
match for the airframe=2E- My empty weight came in at 695 pounds in th
e middle of the envelope with my battery (13 lb PC 680) in the tail=2E-
Don=27t have any performance numbers yet but am looking forward to doin
g some flight testing tomorrow=2E
Steve Bennett at Great Plains is the guru for VW-aircraft engines=2E-
Very dry and matter of fact on the phone but he has been my constant so
urce for advice on the installation without complaint=2E-
Email me off the list and to exchange phone numbers and I=27ll keep you
posted on my progress and give you an idea of what problems you may enco
unter=2E
Tim Vader
Classic IV
GPASC-2276 CC-Direct Drive
GSC-fixed pitch 60X32
Calgary=2C Alberta Canada----- vadert=40shaw=2Eca
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Date=3A Monday=2C November 9=2C 2009 10=3A59 am
Subject=3A Kitfox-List=3A Great Plains 2300cc-VW-in a Kitfox-IV
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=3E I recently bought a flying Kitfox-IV XL-and am considering
=3E changing out the Rotax-503 for a Great Plains 2300cc-(76-80hp)
=3E direct drive VW-engine=2E Would anyone who has had experience with
=3E a VW-engine in a Kitfox-please tell me if this is a good idea or
=3E not=2E I=27m concerned how I will address any CG-problems=2C and a
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=3E other problems I might not have thought of=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2EGreat
Plains
=3E makes a firewall forward kit including engine mount and a new
=3E cowling=2E I=27ve only owned my airplane for 6 months and really
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| Subject: | Great Plains 2300cc VW in a Kitfox IV |
Carl post your numbers for the list as we are all curious. Mine is about 7
-800 fpm solo and bragging to say 500 fpm at 1200lbs. Course I am the spee
dster model. Ron NB Ore
From: vadert@shaw.ca
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Great Plains 2300cc VW in a Kitfox IV
Carl
I'm just getting ready to start my flight testing program with a Great Plai
ns 2276 cc direct drive engine with the Great Plains engine mount and exhau
st. I like the engine so far and think it will be a good match for the air
frame. My empty weight came in at 695 pounds in the middle of the envelope
with my battery (13 lb PC 680) in the tail. Don't have any performance nu
mbers yet but am looking forward to doing some flight testing tomorrow.
Steve Bennett at Great Plains is the guru for VW aircraft engines. Very dr
y and matter of fact on the phone but he has been my constant source for ad
vice on the installation without complaint.
Email me off the list and to exchange phone numbers and I'll keep you poste
d on my progress and give you an idea of what problems you may encounter.
Tim Vader
Classic IV
GPASC 2276 CC Direct Drive
GSC fixed pitch 60X32
Calgary=2C Alberta Canada vadert@shaw.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: CarlStukey <cstukey@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Great Plains 2300cc VW in a Kitfox IV
>
> I recently bought a flying Kitfox IV XL and am considering
> changing out the Rotax 503 for a Great Plains 2300cc (76-80hp)
> direct drive VW engine. Would anyone who has had experience with
> a VW engine in a Kitfox please tell me if this is a good idea or
> not. I'm concerned how I will address any CG problems=2C and any
> other problems I might not have thought of.......Great Plains
> makes a firewall forward kit including engine mount and a new
> cowling. I've only owned my airplane for 6 months and really
> feel a need for more horsepower. The 503 is just 50hp. I am also
> brand new to this site having had Debra McBean direct me here.
> Looking for all the help I can get!
>
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> Carl Stukey
> Kitfox IV XL 503
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Problems, Again! (Vixen, Series-5) |
Guy sez:
>Check out Highwing LLC. They also have a sensor and have a better
>quality reputation than Murle.
I'm curious about this comment, Guy. Are you aware of quality issues
with Murle's parts?
Mike G.
N728KF, Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster
Phoenix, AZ
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