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0. 12:17 AM - Some Very Nice Comments... (Matt Dralle)
1. 04:02 AM - Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay (fox5flyer)
2. 05:10 AM - Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay (rawheels)
3. 05:46 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay (Aerobatics@aol.com)
4. 05:46 AM - Kitfox 2 ? on ebay (Dee Young)
5. 05:47 AM - Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay (akflyer)
6. 05:49 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay (Bob Brennan)
7. 05:59 AM - Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay (Av8r3400)
8. 07:06 AM - Re: Purging oil (Roger Lee)
9. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: Purging oil (Malcolm Brubaker)
10. 07:40 AM - Re: Re: Purging oil (Bob Brennan)
11. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: Purging oil (Patrick Reilly)
12. 08:06 AM - Re: Purging oil (Catz631@aol.com)
13. 11:12 AM - Re: Purging oil (Kitfox George)
14. 11:55 AM - Re: Purging oil (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
15. 02:28 PM - Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay (clozzzer)
16. 02:28 PM - Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay (Mike Gibbard)
17. 02:57 PM - Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay (akflyer)
18. 03:18 PM - Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay (akflyer)
19. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay (Paul Franz)
20. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay (Andy Fultz)
21. 05:20 PM - Re: Purging oil (Roger Lee)
22. 08:29 PM - Re: Purging oil (Lowell Fitt)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay |
That doesn't look like any Kitfox I've ever seen. Sounds like some sort
of scam.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
To: kitfox list
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:50 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay
Hi all, did anyone else see this plane on ebay, Supposed to be a
Kitfox 2. What do you think. I couldn't resist and sent a few
questions to him. Item # is 290368872471
Take care, Jim Chuk Avids, Kitfox 4 Mn
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay |
Wow, that could get the award for "most modified".
Could report is as fraud I suppose. There is a category for "misleading title"
under the policy violations drop-down.
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Ryan Wheeler
Kitfox IV-1200
Indianapolis, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay |
I think I saw a bolt on it similar to the one on my Kitfox 2 but I could
be wrong.....
Dave
KF2 500 hrs and going strong.
In a message dated 11/13/2009 7:11:20 A.M. Central Standard Time,
rawheels@yahoo.com writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "rawheels" <rawheels@yahoo.com>
Wow, that could get the award for "most modified".
Could report is as fraud I suppose. There is a category for "misleading
title" under the policy violations drop-down.
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Ryan Wheeler
Kitfox IV-1200
Indianapolis, IN
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| Subject: | Kitfox 2 ? on ebay |
I built and fly a Kitfox II=2C don't know what kind of unit that is but it
sure isn't a Kitfox II. Some one is going to get hosed if they buy thinking
its a Kitfox. The ID plate looks like something a kid made.
Dee Young
Model II
N345DY
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay |
I just did a quick N# search and it is a Terral Olen C T-2. Pics of it are in
the data base. I sent the seller a nice little question...
There is NOTHING Kitfox about that plane. Looks more like a modded volks plane
or a himax.
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Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay |
The FAA reports the N number as "ATTENTION! This aircraft's registration
status may not be suitable for operation" and then at
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=2165Q
that the number is also assigned to a Cessna 185.
The aircraft model is registered as "T-2" and no mention of Kitfox. I
reported it as possibly fraudulant on eBay, let's see what they do about
it...
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rawheels
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:08 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay
Wow, that could get the award for "most modified".
Could report is as fraud I suppose. There is a category for "misleading
title" under the policy violations drop-down.
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Ryan Wheeler
Kitfox IV-1200
Indianapolis, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay |
It's a "T-2" what ever that is, according to the FAA registration.
Link to Registration (http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=2165Q)
FAA also states that the registration status is "in Question", meaning all of the
paperwork is not in order.
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Thanks,
Av8r3400
Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL & IVO
Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL & Warp
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You need to do it or risk damaging the lifters and dry spots on rod ends. It really
isn't that bad to do.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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just finishing up the cours in corning Roger- thanks for the suggestions
on LSRM repairman-- malcolm- michigan lsrm-a ws ppc-
Malcolm Brubaker
=0AMichigan Sport
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--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Roger Lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Roger Lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Purging oil
You need to do it or risk damaging the lifters and dry spots on rod ends. I
t really isn't that bad to do.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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le, List Admin.
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I think it's spelled "Coors" Malcolm... ;-)
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm
Brubaker
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Purging oil
just finishing up the cours in corning Roger thanks for the suggestions on
LSRM repairman malcolm michigan lsrm-a ws ppc
Malcolm Brubaker
Michigan Sport
Pilot Repair
LSRM-A
(989)513-3022
--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Roger Lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Roger Lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Purging oil
You need to do it or risk damaging the lifters and dry spots on rod ends. It
really isn't that bad to do.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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Not after you have "finished up" one... or a few too many.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Bob Brennan <matronics@bob.brennan.name>wrote:
> I think it's spelled "Coors" Malcolm... ;-)
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Malcolm Brubaker
> *Sent:* Friday, November 13, 2009 10:20 AM
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Purging oil
>
> just finishing up the cours in corning Roger thanks for the suggestions
> on LSRM repairman malcolm michigan lsrm-a ws ppc
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> Malcolm Brubaker
> Michigan Sport
> Pilot Repair
> LSRM-A
> (989)513-3022
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> --- On *Fri, 11/13/09, Roger Lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>* wrote:
>
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> From: Roger Lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Purging oil
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 3:03 PM
>
> >
>
> You need to do it or risk damaging the lifters and dry spots on rod ends.
> It really isn't that bad to do.
>
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> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
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Luis,
It is a pain that's for sure but after you do it a few times it gets
easier (like carb syncing) I have had to purge my system several times. Have
never had a problem with air in my lifters so far but I guess it can happen. In
the Lockwood course Dean (my instructor) said to put a hammer against your
chest and lean your body heavily against the lifter arm with the handle of
the hammer on the arm where it meets the lifter rods.(hammer head on your
chest) This should compress the hydraulic lifters enough so that if there is
any air in them it should compress enough to show up in excessive tappet
clearances.
Just follow the Rotax instructions and it will lead you thru the
procedure.
Dick Maddux
Rotax 912 UL
Milton,Fl
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The inspection for correct venting-or priming of the hydraulic tappets sa
ys to warm up the engine, take off valve covers then press on rocker arms.
I have a motor that had been tore down and reassembled by someone else-an
d sat around for awhile. I-have purged the oil system but not checked the
tappets and was wondering if checking of the hydraulic valve tappets cold
will give me any indication and / or push any air out.=0A-George=0ASport
Model (7+)- 914- almost, but not yet!=0Ado not archive =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____
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o: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, November 13, 2009 8:03:49 AM=0ASu
bject: Re: Kitfox-List: Purging oil=0A=0A=0ALuis,=0A- It is a pain that's
for sure but after you do it a few times it gets easier (like carb syncing
) I have had to purge my system several times. Have never had a problem wit
h air in my lifters so far but I guess it can happen. In the Lockwood cours
e Dean (my instructor)-said to put a hammer against your chest and lean y
our body-heavily against the lifter arm with the handle of the hammer-o
n the arm where it meets the lifter rods.(hammer head on your chest)-This
should compress the hydraulic lifters enough so that if there is-any air
in them it-should-compress enough to show up in excessive-tappet cle
arances.=0A- Just follow the Rotax instructions and it will lead you thru
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I have a 912 operators manual downloaded on my computer=2C but I don't see
the procedure for purging the oil listed in it. Where can I download this
info? Thanks=2C Jim Chuk Avids=2C Kitfox 4 Mn
From: kitfoxsport@verizon.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Purging oil
The inspection for correct venting or priming of the hydraulic tappets says
to warm up the engine=2C take off valve covers then press on rocker arms.
I have a motor that had been tore down and reassembled by someone else and
sat around for awhile. I have purged the oil system but not checked the tap
pets and was wondering if checking of the hydraulic valve tappets cold will
give me any indication and / or push any air out.
George
Sport Model (7+)- 914- almost=2C but not yet!
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From: "Catz631@aol.com" <Catz631@aol.com>
Sent: Fri=2C November 13=2C 2009 8:03:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Purging oil
Luis=2C
It is a pain that's for sure but after you do it a few times it gets easi
er (like carb syncing) I have had to purge my system several times. Have ne
ver had a problem with air in my lifters so far but I guess it can happen.
In the Lockwood course Dean (my instructor) said to put a hammer against yo
ur chest and lean your body heavily against the lifter arm with the handle
of the hammer on the arm where it meets the lifter rods.(hammer head on you
r chest) This should compress the hydraulic lifters enough so that if there
is any air in them it should compress enough to show up in excessive tappe
t clearances.
Just follow the Rotax instructions and it will lead you thru the procedur
e.
Dick Maddux
Rotax 912 UL
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay |
I am the seller of this item. I am not a scamer, but mearly a novice at this hobby.
Before you said say things, you should ask me directly.
THe faa paperwork clearly shows kitfox. model t2. THat is all I can say.
So watch your mouth.
Thanks,
Steve
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| Subject: | Kitfox 2 ? on ebay |
I had a model 2 and this plane does not look like mine. Mike
Mike Gibbard
PO Box 542
Central Lake, MI 49622
http://www.mikegibbard.com ---Real Estate
mike@mikegibbard.com ---Email
231-544-5241 Home
231-676-3788 Cell
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy
Chuk
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:51 PM
To: kitfox list
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay
Hi all, did anyone else see this plane on ebay, Supposed to be a Kitfox
2. What do you think. I couldn't resist and sent a few questions to him.
Item # is 290368872471
Take care, Jim Chuk Avids, Kitfox 4 Mn
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay |
clozzzer wrote:
> I am the seller of this item. I am not a scamer, but mearly a novice at this
hobby. Before you said say things, you should ask me directly.
>
> THe faa paperwork clearly shows kitfox. model t2. THat is all I can say.
>
> So watch your mouth.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
Dear akflyer-2000,
not a scam. bid or go away. I have the faa paper work to prove it.
- clozzzer001
your reply to my question on ebay.
This is not a kitfox. It does not have flaperons, the tail group, the fuselage
or any other thing related to kitfox.
I provided the registration info that the FAA has in the data base and nothing
states it is a kitfox.
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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay |
here are pics of the kitfox lite and kitfox lite squared as you are now reporting
it as on ebay. as you can see, it is neither of these.
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Soldotna AK
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582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay |
On Fri, November 13, 2009 2:25 pm, clozzzer wrote:
>
> I am the seller of this item. I am not a scamer, but mearly a novice at this
hobby.
> Before you said say things, you should ask me directly.
>
> THe faa paperwork clearly shows kitfox. model t2. THat is all I can say.
Not that I can find. Searching the FAA database directly for N2165Q
<http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=2165Q>
"This aircraft's registration status may not be suitable for operation.
Please contact the Aircraft Registration Branch as 1-866-762-9434 for additional
information."
And searching the Landings database
<http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi?pass=144766799&ref=-&mtd=41&cgi=%2Fcgi-bin%2Fnph-search_nnr&var=0&buf=66&src=_landings%2Fpages%2Fsearch_nnr.html&nnumber=2165q>
N-number : N2165Q
Aircraft Serial Number : 5871
Aircraft Manufacturer : TERRAL OLEN C
Model : T-2
Engine Manufacturer : VOLKSWAGEN
Model : CONVERSION
Aircraft Year : 1991
Owner Name : REGISTRATION PENDING
Owner Address : PO BOX 1174
ARIZONA CITY, AZ, 85223-1174
Type of Owner : Individual
Registration Date : Not Specified
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
Approved Operations : Amateur Built
There is no reference to it being a Kitfox at all. The aircraft pictured in your
advertisment on eBay is not a Kitfox.
Would you mind providing some background information on the aircraft? Are you the
current owner? It would appear that the aircraft is not registered at all. Would
you
explain the status? A little history of the aircraft would be nice starting with
the
builder who looks to be Olen C. Terral.
--
Paul Franz
425.440.9505 (O)
425.241.1618 (C)
One of the lessons of history is that nothing is often a good thing to do and always
a
clever thing to say.
-- Will Durant
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay |
Steve,
Since you are "mearly a novice at this hobby", maybe you should "watch
your mouth" and listen to those who obviously know much much more than you
do. What you have pictured on ebay is in no way a Kitfox, no matter what
you say your paperwork says. Maybe you got hosed when you bought it, but
please don't try to pass that thing off as a Kitfox.
Andy
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of clozzzer
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 4:25 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay
I am the seller of this item. I am not a scamer, but mearly a novice at
this hobby. Before you said say things, you should ask me directly.
THe faa paperwork clearly shows kitfox. model t2. THat is all I can say.
So watch your mouth.
Thanks,
Steve
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Oil purge video. Go to the R.O.A.N. website for Rotax. They have a very good oil
purging how to video.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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Luis,
I just reviewed the Service Letter and the procedure outlined is for new
engine installation and "reworked engines". After an oil change, I would
follow the first step and pressurize the tank and rotate through until I
found clean new oil in the return line into the take up bottle. The valve
covers off? I think that would come under the new or reworked engine where
all oil has been drained off. I doubt you could drain all oil from the
engine by simply disconnecting the oil tank, unless you removed all hoses
and let is sit that way for a day or two. Just my take on it, but I think
the lifter check would be advisable if you were checking a new engine or one
that had extensive work on the engine.
And this is just my opinion, but if it was my engine, I would purge with the
air into the tank , Run the engine to check pressures etc. and then go fly.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "wingnut" <wingnut@spamarrest.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 5:15 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Purging oil
>
> I had to remove my oil reservoir recently for some maintenance so now I
> have to do an oil purge. I've been reading the oil purge procedures. They
> seem rather involved. Pressurizing the system, removing all the valve
> covers, checking valve clearances... What a pain. Anything else I should
> look out for that is not mentioned in the manual?
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens, SC (34A)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272537#272537
>
>
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