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0. 12:18 AM - What's My Contribution Used For? (Matt Dralle)
1. 05:03 AM - Re: Changing engines (akflyer)
2. 05:11 AM - Re: What's My Contribution Used For? (akflyer)
3. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay (Catz631@aol.com)
4. 07:16 AM - Re: Rotax spark plugsRotax spark plugsRotax spark plugs (Catz631@aol.com)
5. 07:41 AM - Re: What's My Contribution Used For? (dave)
6. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: Changing engines (Lowell Fitt)
7. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: Rotax spark plugs (Lowell Fitt)
8. 08:49 AM - Re: Re: Engine Restraint Cable (Lynn Matteson)
9. 09:08 AM - Re: Rotax spark plugs (Av8r3400)
10. 09:41 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Thermostat (skyring)
11. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Engine Restraint Cable (Clint Bazzill)
12. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay (Patrick Reilly)
13. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: What's My Contribution Used For? (Patrick Reilly)
14. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: Rotax spark plugs (Dave G)
15. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: Rotax spark plugs (Dave G)
16. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: Engine Restraint Cable (Lynn Matteson)
17. 05:24 PM - Re: Rotax spark plugs (Roger Lee)
18. 05:48 PM - Re: Rotax spark plugs (paul perry)
19. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: Oil Cooler Thermostat (Maurice)
20. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: Rotax spark plugs (Lynn Matteson)
21. 07:17 PM - Re: Rotax spark plugs (Roger Lee)
22. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: Rotax spark plugs (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
23. 09:25 PM - Re: Engine Restraint Cable (akflyer)
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| Subject: | What's My Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question.
Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides
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| Subject: | Re: Changing engines |
yes I have read them. My issue was I called the local FSDO (as I was spose to)
and they did not want to deal with it. I was sent to the Seattle MIDO office
and they are the ones that gave me the section to quote to the local FSDO to
make them get off their buts and do their job. I just posted the references in
case anyone else way me having an issue with something along these lines.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: What's My Contribution Used For? |
Matt Dralle wrote:
> Dear Listers,
>
> Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question.
Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables....
>
> But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many
places on the Internet can you make all those statements these days?
>
>
> List Contribution Web Site:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> Thank you for your support!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Email List Administrator
This is the same, incorrect statement that you issued last year. If this statement
was correct, I would be apt do donate ALOT more.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
hander outer of humorless darwin awards
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay |
Marco, I've been out most of my life, so it's no big deal. But ,I
couldn't.... scratch that, I wouldn't have wanted to rebuilt that KF without
this website. Good to hear from you. You are one of my selected mentors
since I also have a 582 C box KF. I just opened an MGD. I'm arguing with SS
about my eligibility to enroll for part B medicare, the FAA can't seem to
decide whether I should enter 0 hrs or 200 hrs on my airworthy certificate
application, my examiner says it's against the rules to schedule my oral one
day and the flight test on another for my Private Pilot license checkride,
and a $99K IRA transfer check is lost in the mail from one brokerage house
to another that I had to track. I'm so fed up with paper work, government
rules and employees, 2 sisters that still blame George Bush for Katrina,
and incompetence in general, that I'll have to have a 2nd MGD when this one
is done. And, I'm a 1 beer guy. If this is off topic, it's your fault Marco.
You didn't make it to Oshkosh last July, did you?
Oh by the way, do not archive
Pat Reilly
Pat you sound just like me only I am a 3 beer guy !
Dick Maddux
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax spark plugsRotax spark plugsRotax spark plugs |
Noel,
The heat transfer paste is used in the 912 as per the manual and
Lockwoods Rotax school. I don't know about its use in the two strokes as I have
not
attended class on them yet but will shortly. Lowell has a compelling
argument about mfg.'s recommendations on using other products in their engines.
I
think there is a lot of validity there, however, I don't think Rotax would
have much to gain thru the sale of spark plug paste. I for one will continue
using the heat transfer silicon they specified in my 912 course but then
again I also use Rotax oil filters.
After seeing first hand some of the results of using "unapproved" products
on these engines (i.e.: destroyed engines) during my course, I have elected
to use what they say to use. The price is cheap enough for me considering
how much this engine costs ! (although the oil filters are getting mighty
sporty ! )
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
912 UL
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: What's My Contribution Used For? |
Matt, you have moderation on the Kitfox list .
I posted this over here so that there is a record of this fraudster.
http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=149
I feel bad if the buyer actually thought he was buying a kitfox . :(
So, sit back and ask again if you have moderation.
Dave
Sometime the truth hurts
:(
Not the case >> communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship,
Matt Dralle wrote:
> Dear Listers,
>
> Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question.
Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides
for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on
the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing
List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling
the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search
Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really
said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search
and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and
maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the
List Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
>
> But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many
places on the Internet can you make all those statements these days?
> It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable
List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its
one of the best investments you can make in your Sport...
>
> List Contribution Web Site:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> Thank you for your support!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Email List Administrator
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http://www.cfisher.com/
Awesome *New Forum *
http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/
Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
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| Subject: | Re: Changing engines |
Len,
Your experience reminds me of when I moved during the construction of my
first Kitfox. After it was flying, I began to worry because I never got a
tax assessment from the county. I wasn't sure of the statute of limitations
and was afraid of the big one when they finally found me.
I prepared all the docs, including some aftermarket sales info so the local
guy would have an idea what the appraised value should be and took it to the
county tax guy. He finally came downstairs to the counter, we talked a
while, and he took my papers.
Then I waited. Apparently this dufus was just like many of the gov
employees we deal with. I apparently ruined his nap or his cup of coffee or
maybe an internet search, but it took four more years before I got my first
letter from the tax office and it was was a questioneer asking what I paid
for the airplane. I wrote $10,000 as that was what I paid for the Skystar
kit. It still boggles my mind. But it teaches a lot about who I want
managing my life - read many current gov plans to intrude in what some of
the more personal aspects of life. Maybe this is why I am so skeptical
about any agency or company that wants to say my way or the highway.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:01 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Changing engines
>
> yes I have read them. My issue was I called the local FSDO (as I was
> spose to) and they did not want to deal with it. I was sent to the
> Seattle MIDO office and they are the ones that gave me the section to
> quote to the local FSDO to make them get off their buts and do their job.
> I just posted the references in case anyone else way me having an issue
> with something along these lines.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1450
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273492#273492
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax spark plugs |
Roger,
I like to know who I am debating with. Would you please post your Kitfox
experience. I have scanned all your previous posts and can't find your
background.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 4:32 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax spark plugs
>
> All the info I gave you is right out of the Rotax schools and the manuals.
> If you do it any different it isn't right. Yes it may work, but not to
> specs and against the Mfg's advice. I won't give you backyard mechanic
> advice and I won't try to save a buck and do it wrong.
> All the info I gave you on plugs is in the Rotax manual or SB's. They
> didn't just pull their reasons out of a hat, they had good data to support
> it.
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Service Center
> 520-574-1080
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273358#273358
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Restraint Cable |
Nobody likes an "intelligent donkey", Clint. : )
When it gets to 1000, I begin another 1000.
Sounds like you've got a chip on your shoulder, Clint. Hope you get
over it.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 814.7 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
do not archive
On Nov 17, 2009, at 11:08 PM, Clint Bazzill wrote:
> Hi Lynn,
>
> I guess you are right about all these cables and wires holding
> things together in the most widely used engine used in LSA. 95% if
> I am correct. The 912 ULS unlike the simple Jabiru 2200 with its
> equil poor performance which can be verified in several aviation
> magazines. Some say is sounds very nice.
>
>
> P.S. What is going to happen when your Jabiru reaches 1000 hours,
> we are all waiting in suspense.
>
> Clint
>
>
> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Engine Restraint Cable
> > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:13:49 -0500
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > Not to blatantly bash the Rotax (just subtly), but from what I've
> > seen of 'em, there is enough wires, cables, hoses and fuel lines to
> > probably hold the engine in place. I think that's what kept ....was
> > it Gary's? ......plane flyable, and let him land after one blade
> > departed and the resultant vibration shook the engine loose. You
> old-
> > timers will recall who I mean. I'm pretty sure that was a Rotax
> > engine. Seriously though, I'm NOT bashing Rotax, but I wouldn't bet
> > on any amount of the normal wiring, hoses, etc. to hold ANY
> engine in
> > place once the vibration of a less-than-complete prop begins.
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 814.7 hrs
> > Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go
> > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > Rotec TBI-40 injection
> > Status: flying (and learning)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2009, at 3:14 PM, Clint Bazzill wrote:
> >
> > > I do not think you need a cable around the engine on a Rotax
> > > powered aircraft. I know of 2 props that came apart, the vibration
> > > was so great that the carbs flew off and engine stopped. These
> > > engines are not like the heavy direct drive aircraft engines.
> > >
> > > Clint
> > >
> > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Engine Restraint Cable
> > > > From: akflyer_2000@yahoo.com
> > > > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:56:53 -0800
> > > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > >
> > > <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
> > > >
> > > > I have not had this happen on a "real" plane, but lots of times
> > > on models. One of the local guys builds alot and I do the test
> > > flights for him. When we go into electrics, he though that a good
> > > friction fit would hold the engine on... I flew a few of his
> > > variable CG airplanes till I started checking them over real good
> > > before the first flight! He used a plug in harness on one and when
> > > the motor came off, it came unplugged and was gone. She was
> > > uncontrollable tail heavy and came in spinning hard. 2 others he
> > > soldered the connections and when they came off it was just
> > > exciting for a few till I got it settled down.. it was kinda like
> > > chasing a crane load that starts swinging on ya. Both of those
> > > planes I was able to land in one piece. I know the scale is
> > > different, but I am with Lynn on this one. I would rather have a
> > > engine swinging a little and have a chance to get it on the
> ground,
> > > than to have the engine depart completely and have no option other
> > > than to try to bend!
> > > > over in the cramped cockpit and kiss your @ss good by!
> > > >
> > > > --------
> > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > > > Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> > > > Soldotna AK
> > > > Avid "C" / Mk IV
> > > > 582 IVO IFA
> > > > Full Lotus 1450
> > > > #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
> > > >
> > > > hander outer of humorless darwin awards
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Read this topic online here:
> > > >
> > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273185#273185
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> >
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax spark plugs |
Isn't it a fact that the majority of the reams of service bulletins on these engines
(900 series) and their associated (ever changing) maintenance requirements,
stem from the military use of these engines in the Predator drones, operating
at 120+ hp, 40k thousand feet, for 20, 30 and 40+ hour missions?
How many million motorcycle engines (What the 900 series is based on, with aluminum
heads and NGK spark plugs) without the need for $300 heat-sink paste on their
threads?
--------
Thanks,
Av8r3400
Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL & IVO
Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL & Warp
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Thermostat |
Hi Frank and Maurice,
Just wondering why you are installing the thermostat and if it is something I need
to consider. Our S5 Outback with 912 S is running too cool in winter and my
solution is to cover up part of the oil cooler with aluminium tape. This is
a very imprecise science. On the weekend when I was flying with outside temps
around 8 celsius my oil temp was 85 celsius with coolant around 90. I'm thinking
of an in-flight adjustable flap but would a thermostat be a solution?
Kerry
S5 912S
45 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Restraint Cable |
Hi Lynn=2C
This all started with your very limted knowledge of Rotax engines and some
derogatory remarks. I do not know what you are trying to prove. I have f
lown Kitffox and Avid aircraft with Jabiru engines and they do not perform
very well in slower aircraft with high drag. Not that the engine is bad
=2C they probably work very well in airplanes like the Sonex or the KR2 whi
ch are much faster. I did some checking=2C and the torque at the prop flan
ge of a 912ULS is higher then that of the Jabiru 3300. Also at the rpms th
at the engine is turning in a Rotax 912ULS is in a perfect range. This make
s the engine/aircraft combination very efficient.. Rotax did a good job o
n that of that engine.
As a Tech Counselor and president of EAA Chapter=2C I give facts to people
about the 912 engines=2C give them a ride and encourage them to to ride in
a Jabiru powered aircraft. That is all it takes.
This is fact. P51 Mustangs used liquid cooling along with the same type ge
ar reduction as the Rotax. What I don't like about the 912 is the price.
They have no competition=2C and there is no other engine out there in that
hp range with their record or performance
I know some Kitfox'ers with 2000 hours on there engines. No problems=2C no
top end overhaul or anything. Liquid cooled engines are here to stay. Ju
st look out your car window.
I still don't know what the countdown to 1000 means.
Just being honest=2C and I have flown Jabiru powered aircraft and just wan
t people to make good choices. Thre is a lot of money and time involved=2C
almost impossible to change later=2C unless you have very deep pockets. T
he bottom line is. Do your homework.
Also RV4 builder=2C 80% complete. Yes=2C an aircooled O360.
With a closing remark=2C I would rather be an intelligent donkey then a sma
rt ass.
Clint
> From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Engine Restraint Cable
> Date: Wed=2C 18 Nov 2009 11:45:12 -0500
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Nobody likes an "intelligent donkey"=2C Clint. : )
>
> When it gets to 1000=2C I begin another 1000.
>
> Sounds like you've got a chip on your shoulder=2C Clint. Hope you get
> over it.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger
> Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 814.7 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying (and learning)
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 17=2C 2009=2C at 11:08 PM=2C Clint Bazzill wrote:
>
> > Hi Lynn=2C
> >
> > I guess you are right about all these cables and wires holding
> > things together in the most widely used engine used in LSA. 95% if
> > I am correct. The 912 ULS unlike the simple Jabiru 2200 with its
> > equil poor performance which can be verified in several aviation
> > magazines. Some say is sounds very nice.
> >
> >
> > P.S. What is going to happen when your Jabiru reaches 1000 hours=2C
> > we are all waiting in suspense.
> >
> > Clint
> >
> >
> > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Engine Restraint Cable
> > > Date: Mon=2C 16 Nov 2009 20:13:49 -0500
> > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Not to blatantly bash the Rotax (just subtly)=2C but from what I've
> > > seen of 'em=2C there is enough wires=2C cables=2C hoses and fuel line
s to
> > > probably hold the engine in place. I think that's what kept ....was
> > > it Gary's? ......plane flyable=2C and let him land after one blade
> > > departed and the resultant vibration shook the engine loose. You
> > old-
> > > timers will recall who I mean. I'm pretty sure that was a Rotax
> > > engine. Seriously though=2C I'm NOT bashing Rotax=2C but I wouldn't b
et
> > > on any amount of the normal wiring=2C hoses=2C etc. to hold ANY
> > engine in
> > > place once the vibration of a less-than-complete prop begins.
> > >
> > > Lynn Matteson
> > > Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger
> > > Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 814.7 hrs
> > > Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go
> > > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> > > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > > Rotec TBI-40 injection
> > > Status: flying (and learning)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 16=2C 2009=2C at 3:14 PM=2C Clint Bazzill wrote:
> > >
> > > > I do not think you need a cable around the engine on a Rotax
> > > > powered aircraft. I know of 2 props that came apart=2C the vibratio
n
> > > > was so great that the carbs flew off and engine stopped. These
> > > > engines are not like the heavy direct drive aircraft engines.
> > > >
> > > > Clint
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Engine Restraint Cable
> > > > > From: akflyer_2000@yahoo.com
> > > > > Date: Mon=2C 16 Nov 2009 11:56:53 -0800
> > > > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > >
> > > > <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > I have not had this happen on a "real" plane=2C but lots of times
> > > > on models. One of the local guys builds alot and I do the test
> > > > flights for him. When we go into electrics=2C he though that a good
> > > > friction fit would hold the engine on... I flew a few of his
> > > > variable CG airplanes till I started checking them over real good
> > > > before the first flight! He used a plug in harness on one and when
> > > > the motor came off=2C it came unplugged and was gone. She was
> > > > uncontrollable tail heavy and came in spinning hard. 2 others he
> > > > soldered the connections and when they came off it was just
> > > > exciting for a few till I got it settled down.. it was kinda like
> > > > chasing a crane load that starts swinging on ya. Both of those
> > > > planes I was able to land in one piece. I know the scale is
> > > > different=2C but I am with Lynn on this one. I would rather have a
> > > > engine swinging a little and have a chance to get it on the
> > ground=2C
> > > > than to have the engine depart completely and have no option other
> > > > than to try to bend!
> > > > > over in the cramped cockpit and kiss your @ss good by!
> > > > >
> > > > > --------
> > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > > > > Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> > > > > Soldotna AK
> > > > > Avid "=3BC"=3B / Mk IV
> > > > > 582 IVO IFA
> > > > > Full Lotus 1450
> > > > > #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
> > > > >
> > > > > hander outer of humorless darwin awards
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Read this topic online here:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273185#273185
> > > > >
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox 2 ? on ebay |
Dick, Hey! Your one of my selected mentors also. Your the reason I have
Lowell Fitt's bush gear on my plane. I see he used a picture of your gear in
his catalog. I wonder if there is any hope of getting a KF onclave to attend
Oshkosh next year. You have that long distance 912 engine so there isn't any
excuse not to attend. Oh, by the way I got a call from FSDO this morning at
7:10am from my contact, who appears to be a "get er done" kind of guy. He
said he had been at work for 2 hrs already! The plane was deregistered and
sold as salvage with 200 hours on the airframe (no logs). They had made a
decision as to my inquiry of entering either 200 or 0 in the total airframe
hours box on my airworthiness certificate application. The decision was
"leave it blank". Me, also being a "get er done" kind of guy had already
entered 0 with space to the left allowing alteration to make it 200. No
matter what you do when the government is involved, it's going to be wrong!
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:25 AM, <Catz631@aol.com> wrote:
> Marco, I've been out most of my life, so it's no big deal. But ,I
> couldn't.... scratch that, I wouldn't have wanted to rebuilt that KF
> without
> this website. Good to hear from you. You are one of my selected
> mentors
> since I also have a 582 C box KF. I just opened an MGD. I'm arguing
> with SS
> about my eligibility to enroll for part B medicare, the FAA can't
> seem to
> decide whether I should enter 0 hrs or 200 hrs on my airworthy
> certificate
> application, my examiner says it's against the rules to schedule my
> oral one
> day and the flight test on another for my Private Pilot license
> checkride,
> and a $99K IRA transfer check is lost in the mail from one brokerage
> house
> to another that I had to track. I'm so fed up with paper work,
> government
> rules and employees, 2 sisters that still blame George Bush for
> Katrina,
> and incompetence in general, that I'll have to have a 2nd MGD when
> this one
> is done. And, I'm a 1 beer guy. If this is off topic, it's your fault
> Marco.
> You didn't make it to Oshkosh last July, did you?
> Oh by the way, do not archive
> Pat Reilly
> Pat you sound just like me only I am a 3 beer guy !
> Dick Maddux
> Milton,Fl
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: What's My Contribution Used For? |
Matt, I don't care what you use my contribution for. I just appreciate this
website and your effort to establish and maintain it. I'll continue to
contribute and hope you, not only recoup your expense, but can
monetarily justify the time and effort you have spent. Keep up the good
work.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 7:09 AM, akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Matt Dralle wrote:
> > Dear Listers,
> >
> > Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good
> question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support
> enables....
> >
> > But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you
> and your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from
> moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer
> viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements
> these days?
> >
> >
> > List Contribution Web Site:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> > Thank you for your support!
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> > Email List Administrator
>
>
> This is the same, incorrect statement that you issued last year. If this
> statement was correct, I would be apt do donate ALOT more.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1450
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> hander outer of humorless darwin awards
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273496#273496
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax spark plugs |
One more comment on this, while $150 is noticable, I understand the tube is
90ml. Applied properly this is a hell of a lot of plugs, so you will likely
only ever need one tube. There are eight plugs, using less than .5 ml
(that's very generous) you will have enough for 25 sets of plugs. At 100
hour intervals, you will be changing plugs once a year for an average active
pilot. How old are most of us?
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax spark plugs |
I know I'm going to hate myself for getting involved in this. There is no
motorcycle engine out there that has even a passing resemblance to the Rotax
912. Even if there were a motorcycle, car, hot rod engine operates at a
small fraction of it's rated output except for short bursts. Typically a
motorcycle engine of 1/2 the displacement of the 912 will put out up to
1.75X the horsepower so the whole design philosophy is different. Outboard
boat motors live a similar life, long periods of high output at a steady RPM
and they also don't crank out quite the HP per CC as motorcycle engines.
I would put the service bulletins put out by Rotax down to the company
trying to provide the best support they can based on the knowledge gained by
field service. I hate to give them any credit because I think they are way
overpriced, but they are doing an exceptional job of support.
Back to Rotax recommendations for heat sink compound. Anti seize grease (I
use the silver kind) is not a heat conductor and is likely not the proper
choice. I can't tell what CPS sells, but Leaf sells a Zinc/silicone product
from MDG Chemicals. If you choose to use a non-rotax heat sink paste it will
likely offer a pretty good anti seize property from the zinc and I would not
discount the knowledge that CPS, Lockwood and LEAF bring to the field. Their
aftermarket choices are probably pretty good.
So, IMHO you are not bound to use only Rotax products, there are cheaper
alternatives. But seeing as you are operating an aircraft, choose carefully.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Av8r3400" <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 1:05 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax spark plugs
>
> Isn't it a fact that the majority of the reams of service bulletins on
> these engines (900 series) and their associated (ever changing)
> maintenance requirements, stem from the military use of these engines in
> the Predator drones, operating at 120+ hp, 40k thousand feet, for 20, 30
> and 40+ hour missions?
>
>
> How many million motorcycle engines (What the 900 series is based on, with
> aluminum heads and NGK spark plugs) without the need for $300 heat-sink
> paste on their threads?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Restraint Cable |
I'll admit to the "limited knowledge" of the Rotax engine, but please
point out the derogatory remarks....I couldn't find them. This is as
close as I came to making a statement about the Rotax ( November 16,
2009 8:13:49 PM GMT-05:00 )
"Not to blatantly bash the Rotax (just subtly), but from what I've
seen of 'em, there is enough wires, cables, hoses and fuel lines to
probably hold the engine in place. I think that's what kept ....was
it Gary's? ......plane flyable, and let him land after one blade
departed and the resultant vibration shook the engine loose. You old-
timers will recall who I mean. I'm pretty sure that was a Rotax
engine. Seriously though, I'm NOT bashing Rotax, but I wouldn't bet
on any amount of the normal wiring, hoses, etc. to hold ANY engine in
place once the vibration of a less-than-complete prop begins."
If anything, I made a derogatory remark about the Jabiru when I said:
"I put one on mine, John, just so I could stop worrying about that
aspect of flight and worry about other things. Of course, I fly
behind a Jabiru, so maybe it's justified. : )"
You said: "Liquid cooled engines are here to stay. Just look out
your car window."
When I look out my car window, I see air-cooled airplanes
flying.....I don't see cars flying (well, not too often, anyway)
You said: I still don't know what the countdown to 1000 means.
It means I am getting near 1000 hours in my homebuilt airplane. I
believe it is pretty self-explanatory. Some time ago, the moderators
asked us to include in our signatures, some info about what Kitfox we
are building, or flying, and what kind of engine, etc. I chose to do
this so that others could see that if they persevered, they will be
flying, too. Some folks call it inspiration. Apparently it sticks in
your craw, otherwise why would you harp on it?
Once I get to 1000 hours, I can get one of those spiffy prop sleeves
from the EAA when I go to Oshkosh, and proudly display it. I don't
see a display of your pride in owning a Kitfox...do you? Or do you
just drop by here while vacationing from building your RV?
You said: "The bottom line is. Do your homework."
I did my homework, built my plane, chose a Jabiru engine because
that's what I wanted in it, flew it across the country, and
apparently the story was good enough to be printed in one of those
"aviation magazines" that you mentioned earlier.
If you'd like, I could autograph a copy and send it your way. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 814.7 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
On Nov 18, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Clint Bazzill wrote:
> Hi Lynn,
>
> This all started with your very limted knowledge of Rotax engines
> and some derogatory remarks. I do not know what you are trying to
> prove. I have flown Kitffox and Avid aircraft with Jabiru engines
> and they do not perform very well in slower aircraft with high
> drag. Not that the engine is bad, they probably work very well in
> airplanes like the Sonex or the KR2 which are much faster. I did
> some checking, and the torque at the prop flange of a 912ULS is
> higher then that of the Jabiru 3300. Also at the rpms that the
> engine is turning in a Rotax 912ULS is in a perfect range. This
> makes the engine/aircraft combination very efficient.. Rotax did
> a good job on that of that engine.
>
> As a Tech Counselor and president of EAA Chapter, I give facts to
> people about the 912 engines, give them a ride and encourage them
> to to ride in a Jabiru powered aircraft. That is all it takes.
>
> This is fact. P51 Mustangs used liquid cooling along with the same
> type gear reduction as the Rotax. What I don't like about the 912
> is the price. They have no competition, and there is no other
> engine out there in that hp range with their record or performance
>
> I know some Kitfox'ers with 2000 hours on there engines. No
> problems, no top end overhaul or anything. Liquid cooled engines
> are here to stay. Just look out your car window.
>
> I still don't know what the countdown to 1000 means.
>
> Just being honest, and I have flown Jabiru powered aircraft and
> just want people to make good choices. Thre is a lot of money and
> time involved, almost impossible to change later, unless you have
> very deep pockets. The bottom line is. Do your homework.
>
> Also RV4 builder, 80% complete. Yes, an aircooled O360.
>
> With a closing remark, I would rather be an intelligent donkey then
> a smart ass.
>
>
> Clint
>
>
> > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Engine Restraint Cable
> > Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:45:12 -0500
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > Nobody likes an "intelligent donkey", Clint. : )
> >
> > When it gets to 1000, I begin another 1000.
> >
> > Sounds like you've got a chip on your shoulder, Clint. Hope you get
> > over it.
> >
> > Lynn Matteson
> > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 814.7 hrs
> > Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go
> > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > Rotec TBI-40 injection
> > Status: flying (and learning)
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 17, 2009, at 11:08 PM, Clint Bazzill wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Lynn,
> > >
> > > I guess you are right about all these cables and wires holding
> > > things together in the most widely used engine used in LSA. 95% if
> > > I am correct. The 912 ULS unlike the simple Jabiru 2200 with its
> > > equil poor performance which can be verified in several aviation
> > > magazines. Some say is sounds very nice.
> > >
> > >
> > > P.S. What is going to happen when your Jabiru reaches 1000 hours,
> > > we are all waiting in suspense.
> > >
> > > Clint
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: lynnmatt@jps.net
> > > > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Engine Restraint Cable
> > > > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:13:49 -0500
> > > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > >
> <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> > > >
> > > > Not to blatantly bash the Rotax (just subtly), but from what
> I've
> > > > seen of 'em, there is enough wires, cables, hoses and fuel
> lines to
> > > > probably hold the engine in place. I think that's what
> kept ....was
> > > > it Gary's? ......plane flyable, and let him land after one blade
> > > > departed and the resultant vibration shook the engine loose. You
> > > old-
> > > > timers will recall who I mean. I'm pretty sure that was a Rotax
> > > > engine. Seriously though, I'm NOT bashing Rotax, but I
> wouldn't bet
> > > > on any amount of the normal wiring, hoses, etc. to hold ANY
> > > engine in
> > > > place once the vibration of a less-than-complete prop begins.
> > > >
> > > > Lynn Matteson
> > > > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> > > > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 814.7 hrs
> > > > Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go
> > > > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
> > > > Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> > > > Rotec TBI-40 injection
> > > > Status: flying (and learning)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 16, 2009, at 3:14 PM, Clint Bazzill wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I do not think you need a cable around the engine on a Rotax
> > > > > powered aircraft. I know of 2 props that came apart, the
> vibration
> > > > > was so great that the carbs flew off and engine stopped. These
> > > > > engines are not like the heavy direct drive aircraft engines.
> > > > >
> > > > > Clint
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Engine Restraint Cable
> > > > > > From: akflyer_2000@yahoo.com
> > > > > > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:56:53 -0800
> > > > > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have not had this happen on a "real" plane, but lots of
> times
> > > > > on models. One of the local guys builds alot and I do the test
> > > > > flights for him. When we go into electrics, he though that
> a good
> > > > > friction fit would hold the engine on... I flew a few of his
> > > > > variable CG airplanes till I started checking them over
> real good
> > > > > before the first flight! He used a plug in harness on one
> and when
> > > > > the motor came off, it came unplugged and was gone. She was
> > > > > uncontrollable tail heavy and came in spinning hard. 2
> others he
> > > > > soldered the connections and when they came off it was just
> > > > > exciting for a few till I got it settled down.. it was
> kinda like
> > > > > chasing a crane load that starts swinging on ya. Both of those
> > > > > planes I was able to land in one piece. I know the scale is
> > > > > different, but I am with Lynn on this one. I would rather
> have a
> > > > > engine swinging a little and have a chance to get it on the
> > > ground,
> > > > > than to have the engine depart completely and have no
> option other
> > > > > than to try to bend!
> > > > > > over in the cramped cockpit and kiss your @ss good by!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --------
> > > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> > > > > > Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> > > > > > Soldotna AK
> > > > > > Avid "C" / Mk IV
> > > > > > 582 IVO IFA
> > > > > > Full Lotus 1450
> > > > > > #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hander outer of humorless darwin awards
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Read this topic online here:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273185#273185
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax spark plugs |
Hi Lowell,
What are my qualifications?
Not being a smart ass here, but just trying to give you my background.
Flying since 1980, started with Ultralights, did all my own maint and did research
and development for several Ultralight Mfgs and third party add on Mfg's.
Flew Gyros for 4 years, then went to helicopters for 6 years then back to fixed
wing. Over 4500 hours of flight time, plus maint, development and research for
numerous Mfg's. After 7-8 Rotax schools over the years I am currently an authorized
Rotax Repair Center. You can call Jeremy at CPS and see what he says about
my credentials. I am a LSA repairman with a maint. rating and currently have
people fly in to me from 6 different states so I can do their maint on their
LSA's and Rotax engines. They bypass all their A&P's for a reason and think
the trip to me out weighs any mileage issues. I have people from all over the
country call me everyday and some from around the world. I write some articles
on different websites and help people with issues on at least 5 aircraft websites.
I work on several types LSA so I have a very rounded education on LSA
aircraft and converse with people who are on the LSA committees and who administer
the LSA rules. If you need references I have 40-50 I can give you including
Mfg's. There's more, but I hope this enough to put your mind at ease.
The right way is what is in the Rotax manuals, SB's or taught in Rotax school.
Any thing other than that is wrong and there is no way to argue against what's
in the Rotax or aircraft manual's. They are your bible's
from the Mfg's. If you do something other that what's in the manual then it is
wrong. Really no way to argue against that other than someone saying I'm just
going to do it my way and I don't care what the manual says. Then by all means
have at it, I just try to help people do what is right and written in the manual
and from almost 30 years of experience and try to keep people from making
costly mistakes.
By the way keep you eyes open for the Dec. 13th release of new and revamped LSA
rules and regs.
Fly safe, fly far, have fun!
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax spark plugs |
Well, after doing some research on the product recomended by Rotax, it appears to be made by a company in Europe and is called Wacker P12. I could find no source for it in the U.S. except the Rotax part listed on Lockwood's website. CPS's website shows a silicone heat transfer compound made by a company called Rawn. I did find another supplier for it which appears much more affordable see: www.mcmelectronics.com/product/20-300 . They say this is a 28gm (1oz) size, which if correct would be very inexpensive even paying for shipping. LEAF shows a product as stated before made by MG Chemicals part no. 860-4 (the 4 designates it is the 4gm size). You can search for their website and from there find a supplier based on where you are located, but you may want to look at the following website: www.gatewaycatalog.com/ and follow the link under chemicals. They carry both the 4gm size as well as an 85 gm size part no 860-85.
The large tube will cost about $25 incl shipping in the US, but that beats $150
by a lot. This company also has connectors/switches and other odds and ends that
homebuilders may find useful. I can understand Rotax's position on recommending
the product they have used/tested due to liability exposure etc and the
lack of incentive for finding less expensive alternatives, but that doesn't mean
there aren't any alternatives. I have not had any problems since changing plugs
in my 912ul using an automotive anti-seize product about 40 hours ago, but
will most likely use one of the silicone products next time.
Paul Perry KF IV Speedster 912ul 140hrs tt (50 by me)
Bloomfield,MO [/code]
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Thermostat |
The oil cooler thermostat provides faster oil warm up and keeps the oil hot
enough to vaporize and vent entrained water vapor from engine blow by,
thereby reducing corrosion.
Maurice
SEA, 912S, building
----- Original Message -----
From: "skyring" <kerryskyring@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:39 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Oil Cooler Thermostat
>
> Hi Frank and Maurice,
>
> Just wondering why you are installing the thermostat and if it is
> something I need to consider. Our S5 Outback with 912 S is running too
> cool in winter and my solution is to cover up part of the oil cooler with
> aluminium tape. This is a very imprecise science. On the weekend when I
> was flying with outside temps around 8 celsius my oil temp was 85 celsius
> with coolant around 90. I'm thinking of an in-flight adjustable flap but
> would a thermostat be a solution?
> Kerry
> S5 912S
> 45 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax spark plugs |
Would that (hopefully) be the new Sport Pilot rules, too....and would
that (hopefully) include the increased altitude flying that some of
us are hoping for?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 814.7 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
do not archive
On Nov 18, 2009, at 8:21 PM, Roger Lee wrote:
>
> By the way keep you eyes open for the Dec. 13th release of new and
> revamped LSA rules and regs.
>
> Fly safe, fly far, have fun!
>
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> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Repair Center
> 520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax spark plugs |
Hi Paul,
Sounds like you did your homework. I use the one by MG Chemicals. I usually get
the large tube and even as many plugs that I do a year it last a long time. The
smaller one would most likely be good for an individual.
Lynn,
Yes the new and revamped rules for Sport Pilot are coming out and yes the 10K +
2k AGL is one of them. Also for those who care the re-vamped rule on SLSA to
ELSA maint glitch is being changed for the individual owner. With the 16 hr. class
you should be good to go for your own maint.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax spark plugs |
Hi Roger=2C as it seems like you have inside knowledge=2C and I'm not real
patient by nature=2C do you happen to have a feeling for what they did with
the one hour IFR training for the faster sport pilots? Thanks=2C Jim Chu
k Avids=2C Kitfox 4 Mn
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax spark plugs
> From: ssadiver1@yahoo.com
> Date: Wed=2C 18 Nov 2009 19:15:26 -0800
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Hi Paul=2C
>
> Sounds like you did your homework. I use the one by MG Chemicals. I usual
ly get the large tube and even as many plugs that I do a year it last a lon
g time. The smaller one would most likely be good for an individual.
>
>
> Lynn=2C
> Yes the new and revamped rules for Sport Pilot are coming out and yes the
10K + 2k AGL is one of them. Also for those who care the re-vamped rule on
SLSA to ELSA maint glitch is being changed for the individual owner. With
the 16 hr. class you should be good to go for your own maint.
>
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> Roger Lee
> Tucson=2C Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Repair Center
> 520-574-1080
>
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273662#273662
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Restraint Cable |
Hey Lynn, I'll take an autographed copy!
signed
a 2 stroke WATER COOLED Junky :-)
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
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