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1. 12:15 AM - Re: kitfox 3 (Michel Verheughe)
2. 05:13 AM - Re: kitfox 3 (kenjrichter)
3. 07:19 AM - Re: kitfox 3 (Michel Verheughe)
4. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Lowell Fitt)
5. 10:40 AM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Marco Menezes)
6. 11:57 AM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Pete Christensen)
7. 12:29 PM - Re: kitfox 3 (kenjrichter)
8. 01:34 PM - Re: Dual vernier throttle supplier? (mic thiessen)
9. 02:05 PM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Lynn Matteson)
10. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Patrick Reilly)
11. 03:37 PM - Re: kitfox 3 (kenjrichter)
12. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Patrick Reilly)
13. 07:27 PM - Re: Dual vernier throttle supplier? (Av8r3400)
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> From: kenjrichter [kenrichter@centurytel.net]
> as far as I can tell its not much faster maybe a few mph but I did notice some
> pleasant improvements roll response is faster which I like and it seems like
turns
> need less rudder input now and also climb seems about the same 1400fpm but it
> seems like the speed during the climb is faster overall it seems like the handling
> is better or atleast I like it better,
Thank you for this report, Ken. Speed, climb, roll and less adverse yaw, is indeed
what we would expect, woudn't we? My model 3 is very "classic" with the orignal
wings but with a new Jabiru engine. Compared to what are now the new European
ultralight class aircraft (limited to 450 kg MTOW) my Kitfox is one of the
slowest birds but then, for me it is not about the destination but the journey.
I don't mind staying longer in the air! :-)
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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Michel, I too rarely ever really need speed because all I ever do is fly for fun
so why be in a hurry right, but sometimes a group of guys from our airport decides
to go on a little journey for lunch and my plane has been a tad slow so
that makes it hard to keep up and even now if I only gained a few mph it probably
wont make much difference but the other improvements are great so I am glad
I clipped the wings also makes it easier to get in the hangar I hope I can
still get some extra speed from the leading edge pvc I will report on that too.
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Ken Richter
Osceola,Wi
model 3 speedster
582/GSC prop/Grove gear
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> From: kenjrichter [kenrichter@centurytel.net]
> I hope I can still get some extra speed from the leading edge pvc I will report
on
> that too.
Speed is always good, Ken. Less drag and faster climb rate when you meet the trees
at the end of the runway, is always welcomed. I intend to fly to the North
Cape (northern point of Norway) with a gang of Belgian/French ultralight pilots
next summer and I already know that I'll have to take off first or ... land
last. I understand you very well.
One thing that prevented me, so far, to do anything with the wings is that I like
the drooping winglets because I have, perhaps only the illusion, that it will
protect my flaperons should I end in a ground loop where the wing tip meets
the ground.
When I started flying my Kitfox, and fearing a ground loop, I even considered putting
small wheels at the end of the winglets but ... I was afraid other pilots
would laugh at me! :-)
I look forward to reading your report on the PVC leading edges.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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To philosophize here a bit. I agree that speed is good, when you want to
get somewhere fast. I wonder sometimes, however, when we enjoy flying as
much as we do, why do we seem to want to get back on the ground so soon.
When flying with our group - sometimes from four airplanes to occasionally
as many as ten - we always flew at the speed of the slowest airplane. It
was never a problem as the joy of the flight was seeing each other out the
windows and sharing the combined view - the navy research submarines on the
lake, the antelope near the pond or the junk collecters in the desert and of
course the goofy chat as we digested all that we could see. We occasionally
flew with folks that always flew at one speed and they would then sit on the
ground waiting for the rest of us to arrive. I always wondered about that.
For us at least, the joy was in the flight, not merely sharing a table at a
destination.
Then there was the time that the RV4 followed us to a fly-in he couldn't
locate. He flew circles above us as we followed the course of a winding
river at 100 ft. It obviously doesn't always work.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "kenjrichter" <kenrichter@centurytel.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 5:10 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
> <kenrichter@centurytel.net>
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> Michel, I too rarely ever really need speed because all I ever do is fly
> for fun so why be in a hurry right, but sometimes a group of guys from our
> airport decides to go on a little journey for lunch and my plane has been
> a tad slow so that makes it hard to keep up and even now if I only gained
> a few mph it probably wont make much difference but the other improvements
> are great so I am glad I clipped the wings also makes it easier to get in
> the hangar I hope I can still get some extra speed from the leading edge
> pvc I will report on that too.
>
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> Ken Richter
> Osceola,Wi
> model 3 speedster
> 582/GSC prop/Grove gear
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275704#275704
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That makes 3 of us. Osceola-County, Michigan here.
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Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
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do not archive
--- On Tue, 12/1/09, Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com> wrote:
From: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
Ken,
I have a model IV with a 912ULS, but I flew off the original 40 hours on a
friend's Model IV Speedster. I found the roll response considerably better
with the shorter wings, and it didn't float as much on landing flare. I lik
ed it just fine.
I'm in Osceola, too--Osceola, Iowa.
Lyle Persels
Osceola, IA
KF-IV 1200 912ULS
450 Hrs
On 12 1, 09, at 5:27 PM, kenjrichter wrote:
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> I'm not sure how many list members have model 3's and are interested in t
his info but I flew my model 3 with the shortened wings today for the first
time and heres what I noticed---it was a little windy today so I may
need to wait for another day with no wind to see the speed difference but
as far as I can tell its not much faster maybe a few mph but I did notice s
ome pleasant improvements roll response is faster which I like and it seems
like turns need less rudder input now and also climb seems about the same
1400fpm but it seems like the speed during the climb is faster- overall i
t seems like the handling is better or atleast I like it better,- next is
the pvc leading edge I hope to get this done this week.
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Lowel,
You brought up another thought. I once flew my Kitfox III on a several hour
cross country with a friend who was flying his 172. He was amazed at how
good his gph was throttled back to stay with me.
Pete
-- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
>
> To philosophize here a bit. I agree that speed is good, when you want to
> get somewhere fast. I wonder sometimes, however, when we enjoy flying as
> much as we do, why do we seem to want to get back on the ground so soon.
>
> When flying with our group - sometimes from four airplanes to occasionally
> as many as ten - we always flew at the speed of the slowest airplane. It
> was never a problem as the joy of the flight was seeing each other out the
> windows and sharing the combined view - the navy research submarines on
> the lake, the antelope near the pond or the junk collecters in the desert
> and of course the goofy chat as we digested all that we could see. We
> occasionally flew with folks that always flew at one speed and they would
> then sit on the ground waiting for the rest of us to arrive. I always
> wondered about that. For us at least, the joy was in the flight, not
> merely sharing a table at a destination.
>
> Then there was the time that the RV4 followed us to a fly-in he couldn't
> locate. He flew circles above us as we followed the course of a winding
> river at 100 ft. It obviously doesn't always work.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kenjrichter" <kenrichter@centurytel.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 5:10 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
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>> <kenrichter@centurytel.net>
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>> Michel, I too rarely ever really need speed because all I ever do is fly
>> for fun so why be in a hurry right, but sometimes a group of guys from
>> our airport decides to go on a little journey for lunch and my plane has
>> been a tad slow so that makes it hard to keep up and even now if I only
>> gained a few mph it probably wont make much difference but the other
>> improvements are great so I am glad I clipped the wings also makes it
>> easier to get in the hangar I hope I can still get some extra speed from
>> the leading edge pvc I will report on that too.
>>
>> --------
>> Ken Richter
>> Osceola,Wi
>> model 3 speedster
>> 582/GSC prop/Grove gear
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275704#275704
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Wow, I didn't realize Osceola was such a popular name I guess Chief Osceola was
a popular Indian,
I wanted to comment on Michel's post about not wanting to lose the drooping
wingtips I didn't lose mine when I cut the wings shorter I just remounted them
on the next rib it was pretty simple really I just used 1"x1/16 alum flat and
screwed and glued it to the rib flange and then the tips attach to that just
like it was before and I'm not really sure it would save you in a ground loop
anyway my plane has damage from what looks to have been a ground loop.
it has a bend under the seat where the limit cables attach and the left wing
has been rebuilt from about four feet in from the tip and that flapperon has
some wrinkles in it at about four feet in as well all this and the plane had
8 hours on it when I got it must have been a rough 8 hrs.
I hear alot about ground loops with these planes but in my 60 hours flying it
I have not even had a close call it seems very stable on the ground but maybe
this is because of the grove gear.
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Ken Richter
Osceola,Wi
model 3 speedster
582/GSC prop/Grove gear
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| Subject: | Dual vernier throttle supplier? |
Hi Carl
Give Bob Robertson a call
1 888 418-4164
1 250 832-8786
He makes the best there are out of special flat wire cable that when it is
pushed it actually wants to straighten out instead of bend.
mic
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Dual vernier throttle supplier?
> From: cschmokel@gmail.com
> Date: Tue=2C 1 Dec 2009 22:47:58 -0800
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
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> Hey guys=2C
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> I contacted Kitfox for a dual vernier throttle to hook up to my Rotax 912
ULS. The friction lock is driving me nuts .. They said their supplier recen
tly discontinued manufacturing the dual vernier thanks to some NTSB notice.
So .. does anybody know where to get a dual vernier or how to make one?? T
hanks!
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I'd have to say almost uncertainly it was because of the Grove
gear....a wider stance, and a bit lower too, if I'm not mistaken.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 818.9 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
do not archive
On Dec 2, 2009, at 3:26 PM, kenjrichter wrote:
> <kenrichter@centurytel.net>
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> I hear alot about ground loops with these planes but in my 60
> hours flying it I have not even had a close call it seems very
> stable on the ground but maybe this is because of the grove gear.
>
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> Ken Richter
> Osceola,Wi
> model 3 speedster
> 582/GSC prop/Grove gear
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275828#275828
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Ken, If you are marginal on elevator authority, did you consider gap seals
or vortex generators under the horiz stabilizer?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:08 PM, kenjrichter <kenrichter@centurytel.net>wrote:
> kenrichter@centurytel.net>
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> Lyle, I forgot to mention that the landings were better I used to run out
> of elevator authority before the plane was done flying making it hard to
> land but now thats better as well.
>
> Ken Richter
> model 3 speedster
> 582/GSC prop/Grove gear
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275669#275669
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I do have the elevator gap seal I put that on before the wing mod and it did help
but I may consider the vortex generators.
Thanks
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Ken Richter
Osceola,Wi
model 3 speedster
582/GSC prop/Grove gear
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Ken, If you decide on VG's let me know. The ones I bought were recommended
to me and I was very happy with price and the product.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582
Rockford, IL
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:34 PM, kenjrichter <kenrichter@centurytel.net>wrote:
> kenrichter@centurytel.net>
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> I do have the elevator gap seal I put that on before the wing mod and it
> did help but I may consider the vortex generators.
>
> Thanks
>
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> Ken Richter
> Osceola,Wi
> model 3 speedster
> 582/GSC prop/Grove gear
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275873#275873
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| Subject: | Re: Dual vernier throttle supplier? |
McFarlane (http://www.mcfarlane-aviation.com/Details.aspx?ID=79240606&Article 0) has the dual cables for a 900 series Rotax. They have been advertising in EAA magazines like Sport Aviation.
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Thanks,
Av8r3400
Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL & IVO
Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL & Warp
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