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2. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Pete Christensen)
3. 07:52 AM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (skyflyte@comcast.net)
4. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Patrick Reilly)
5. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (fox5flyer)
6. 10:10 AM - Washington CORVAIR Community College at Magnificent Machine! (Brady)
7. 11:43 AM - Re: kitfox 3 (dave)
8. 11:46 AM - Re: kitfox 3 (dave)
9. 12:50 PM - Jabiru 2200 engine For Sale (Marwynne)
10. 01:08 PM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (skyflyte@comcast.net)
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13. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Patrick Reilly)
14. 04:00 PM - Re: kitfox 3 (dave)
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17. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Patrick Reilly)
18. 06:06 PM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (skyflyte@comcast.net)
19. 08:37 PM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 12/02/09 ()
20. 09:31 PM - battery capacity (clemwehner)
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What brand are you recommending? and What results have to had ?
I have tested several brands and the best bang for the buck are www.stolspeed.com ones. They come with adhesive tape. I think about 100$ for entire set.
Model 2 s do run out of elevator sooner than the model IV I will say. I tried
then on bottom of horiz stab ahead of the hinge line on model IV and had no change.
I do have tape on my IV elevator for about 4 years and I forget if it changed
anything. Plane works awesome just look at the videos. They speak louder
than words.
[quote="Pat Reilly"]Ken, If you decide on VG's let me know. The ones I bought were
recommended to me and I was very happy with price and the product.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582
Rockford, IL
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:34 PM, kenjrichter wrote:
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> I do have the elevator gap seal I put that on before the wing mod and it did
help but I may consider the vortex generators.
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Being a cheap sort of guy, how hard can vg's be to make? Anybody done
that?
Pete
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From: Patrick Reilly
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
Ken, If you decide on VG's let me know. The ones I bought were
recommended to me and I was very happy with price and the product.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582
Rockford, IL
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:34 PM, kenjrichter
<kenrichter@centurytel.net> wrote:
<kenrichter@centurytel.net>
I do have the elevator gap seal I put that on before the wing mod
and it did help but I may consider the vortex generators.
Thanks
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I made mine out of 0.016" lexan and used them on the underside of the horiz
ontal stabilizer to increase the effectiveness of the elevator.=C2- It wo
rked very well!
Mike
Model II - 582 - #490
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From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 10:10:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
Being a cheap sort of guy, how hard can=C2-vg's be to make?=C2- Anybody
done that?
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Reilly
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
Ken, If you decide on VG's let me know. The ones I bought were recommended
to me and I was very happy with price and the product.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582
Rockford, IL
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:34 PM, kenjrichter < kenrichter@centurytel.net > w
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t >
I do have the elevator gap seal I put that on before the wing mod and it di
d help but I may consider the vortex generators.
Thanks
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Mike, Did you heat form the .016 Lexan? What fabrication methods did you
use? I was contemplating fabricating my own for the underside of the hoiz.
stab. but ended up purchasing the VG's to save a little time.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
Pat Reilly
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:49 AM, <skyflyte@comcast.net> wrote:
> I made mine out of 0.016" lexan and used them on the underside of the
> horizontal stabilizer to increase the effectiveness of the elevator. It
> worked very well!
>
> Mike
>
> Model II - 582 - #490
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 10:10:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
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> Being a cheap sort of guy, how hard can vg's be to make? Anybody done
> that?
>
> Pete
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> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:12 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
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> Ken, If you decide on VG's let me know. The ones I bought were recommended
> to me and I was very happy with price and the product.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582
> Rockford, IL
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> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:34 PM, kenjrichter <kenrichter@centurytel.net>wrote:
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>> I do have the elevator gap seal I put that on before the wing mod and it
>> did help but I may consider the vortex generators.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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>> Osceola,Wi
>> model 3 speedster
>> 582/GSC prop/Grove gear
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Mike, how far back from the leading edge did you place them? Did you
place them horizontal to the hinge line or did you follow the leading
edge line?
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
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From: skyflyte@comcast.net
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
I made mine out of 0.016" lexan and used them on the underside of the
horizontal stabilizer to increase the effectiveness of the elevator. It
worked very well!
Mike
Model II - 582 - #490
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 10:10:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
Eastern
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
Being a cheap sort of guy, how hard can vg's be to make? Anybody done
that?
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Reilly
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
Ken, If you decide on VG's let me know. The ones I bought were
recommended to me and I was very happy with price and the product.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582
Rockford, IL
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:34 PM, kenjrichter
<kenrichter@centurytel.net> wrote:
<kenrichter@centurytel.net>
I do have the elevator gap seal I put that on before the wing mod
and it did help but I may consider the vortex generators.
Thanks
--------
Ken Richter
Osceola,Wi
model 3 speedster
582/GSC prop/Grove gear
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I tried them I think an inch or two ahead of the hinge line parallel to the hinges.
They did little for my IV . I have found they help alot on super cubs.
The model 2 has less elevator effectiveness than a model IV so I would think
they would see more benefit.
I think you guys should post some videos of how much better they work. I don't
think a model 2 will be able to drag the tailwheel down the runway. My Model
IV is marginal at doing it .
VG's do seem to have a few attributes. I have had them on my IV Kitfox for over
1000 hours and I have not removed them yet. I would like to alter some of the
spacing and placement but it flys so damn well I just don't find it high
on the priorities.
[quote="Fox5flyer"]Mike, how far back from the leading edge did you place them?
Did you place them horizontal to the hinge line or did you follow the leading
edge line?
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
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How bout some pictures and some performance videos to show us how much better
it is ?
Lexan -- I bend it all the time in my brake. will form nice sharp edge.
What did you use for adhesive ? 2 sided tape or crazy glue ?
skyflyte(at)comcast.net wrote:
> I made mine out of 0.016" lexan and used them on the underside of the horizontal
stabilizer to increase the effectiveness of the elevator. It worked very
well!
> Mike
> Model II - 582 - #490
>
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Pat,
=C2-=C2- You don't need to heat form Lexan.=C2- I cut pieces, probabl
y 1.5" x 1.0", and bent it in a right angle using a steel ruler so I had a
VG 1.5" long and 0.5" high.=C2- Double sided tape didn't stick very well
so I used a piece of very stickey clear tape 2" wide.=C2- I just cut a sl
ot in it, inserted the VG, =C2-and applied it to the flabic.=C2- That w
as probably 8 years ago and they are still all there.=C2- But you have to
look closely, clear Lexan and clear tape, they are nearly invisible.=C2-
This project probably cost me about $1.00 in materials and maybe 2 hrs. of
time.
=C2-=C2- Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Reilly" <patreilly43@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 11:09:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
Mike, Did you heat form the .016 Lexan? What fabrication=C2-methods did y
ou use? I was contemplating fabricating my own for the underside of the hoi
z. stab. but ended up purchasing the VG's to save a little time.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582=C2-Rebuild
Rockford, IL
Pat Reilly
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:49 AM, < skyflyte@comcast.net > wrote:
I made mine out of 0.016" lexan and used them on the underside of the horiz
ontal stabilizer to increase the effectiveness of the elevator.=C2- It wo
rked very well!
Mike
Model II - 582 - #490
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Christensen" < pchristensen10@austin.rr.com >
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 10:10:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
Being a cheap sort of guy, how hard can=C2-vg's be to make?=C2- Anybody
done that?
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Reilly
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
Ken, If you decide on VG's let me know. The ones I bought were recommended
to me and I was very happy with price and the product.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582
Rockford, IL
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:34 PM, kenjrichter < kenrichter@centurytel.net > w
rote:
t >
I do have the elevator gap seal I put that on before the wing mod and it di
d help but I may consider the vortex generators.
Thanks
--------
Ken Richter
Osceola,Wi
model 3 speedster
582/GSC prop/Grove gear
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Deke,
=C2-=C2- Well, it has been a while but I think they were all 3" ahead o
f the hinge line, spaced about 3" apart, and angled 17-18 degrees from the
airflow.=C2- Almost everything stalls @ 16 degrees or sooner, so I though
t that angle would work.=C2- I made a Lexan template so positioning them
was easy.=C2- I guess I make a lot of stuff from Lexan!
=C2-=C2- Mike
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Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 11:12:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
=EF=BB
Mike, how far back from the leading edge did you place them?=C2- Did you
place them horizontal to the hinge line or did you follow the leading edge
line?
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
----- Original Message -----
From: skyflyte@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
I made mine out of 0.016" lexan and used them on the underside of the horiz
ontal stabilizer to increase the effectiveness of the elevator.=C2- It wo
rked very well!
Mike
Model II - 582 - #490
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Christensen" < pchristensen10@austin.rr.com >
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 10:10:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
Being a cheap sort of guy, how hard can=C2-vg's be to make?=C2- Anybody
done that?
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Reilly
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
Ken, If you decide on VG's let me know. The ones I bought were recommended
to me and I was very happy with price and the product.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582
Rockford, IL
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:34 PM, kenjrichter < kenrichter@centurytel.net > w
rote:
t >
I do have the elevator gap seal I put that on before the wing mod and it di
d help but I may consider the vortex generators.
Thanks
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Dave,
=C2-=C2- Here is how I can tell the difference in elevator effectveness
.=C2- Mostly bounced landings (3 point) in the first few years.=C2- The
n I saw a Monocoup with fabric gap seals in the elevator.=C2- I made some
out of tape and landings were much more predictable.=C2- After adding th
e VG's, I could actually get the tail wheel to touch first.=C2- I don't t
hink I'll be removing these things to make a video of they=C2-improved pe
rformance!
=C2-=C2- Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 2:40:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
I tried them I think an inch or two ahead of the hinge line =C2-parallel
to the hinges. =C2-They did little for my IV . =C2-I have found they he
lp alot on super cubs. =C2-The model 2 has less elevator effectiveness th
an a model IV so I would think they would see more benefit.
I think you guys should post some videos of how much better they work. =C2
-I don't think a model 2 will be able to drag the tailwheel down the runw
ay. My Model IV is marginal at doing it .
VG's do seem to have a few attributes. I have had them on my IV Kitfox for
over 1000 hours and I have not removed them yet. =C2- I would like to alt
er some of the spacing and placement =C2-but it flys so damn well =C2-I
just don't find it high on the priorities.
[quote="Fox5flyer"]Mike, how far back from the leading edge did you =C2
-place them? =C2-Did you place them horizontal to the hinge line or did
you =C2-follow the leading edge line?
=C2-Deke Morisse
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Mike, Thanks for info. I didn't realize you could cold form Lexan. I ended
up using a 3M crazy type glue recommended by the VG mfg. It seems to work
fine. Time will tell. Where are you located. Most of us use a signature that
gives location and specs of our plane.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:04 PM, <skyflyte@comcast.net> wrote:
> Pat,
>
> You don't need to heat form Lexan. I cut pieces, probably 1.5" x 1.0",
> and bent it in a right angle using a steel ruler so I had a VG 1.5" long and
> 0.5" high. Double sided tape didn't stick very well so I used a piece of
> very stickey clear tape 2" wide. I just cut a slot in it, inserted the VG,
> and applied it to the flabic. That was probably 8 years ago and they are
> still all there. But you have to look closely, clear Lexan and clear tape,
> they are nearly invisible. This project probably cost me about $1.00 in
> materials and maybe 2 hrs. of time.
>
> Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Reilly" <patreilly43@gmail.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 11:09:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
>
> Mike, Did you heat form the .016 Lexan? What fabrication methods did you
> use? I was contemplating fabricating my own for the underside of the hoiz.
> stab. but ended up purchasing the VG's to save a little time.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
> Pat Reilly
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:49 AM, <skyflyte@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I made mine out of 0.016" lexan and used them on the underside of the
>> horizontal stabilizer to increase the effectiveness of the elevator. It
>> worked very well!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Model II - 582 - #490
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 10:10:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
>> Eastern
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
>>
>> Being a cheap sort of guy, how hard can vg's be to make? Anybody done
>> that?
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
>> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:12 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
>>
>> Ken, If you decide on VG's let me know. The ones I bought were recommended
>> to me and I was very happy with price and the product.
>>
>> Pat Reilly
>> Mod 3 582
>> Rockford, IL
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:34 PM, kenjrichter <kenrichter@centurytel.net>wrote:
>>
>>> kenrichter@centurytel.net>
>>>
>>> I do have the elevator gap seal I put that on before the wing mod and it
>>> did help but I may consider the vortex generators.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Ken Richter
>>> Osceola,Wi
>>> model 3 speedster
>>> 582/GSC prop/Grove gear
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Mike, Great stuff.
How did you stick them to the horiz.stab?
I did not mean remove them to compare but to show others how you can land with
tailwheel first. This is a big improvement for the pre model IV.
Got any pics?
Dave
skyflyte(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Dave,
> Here is how I can tell the difference in elevator effectveness. Mostly bounced
landings (3 point) in the first few years. Then I saw a Monocoup with fabric
gap seals in the elevator. I made some out of tape and landings were much
more predictable. After adding the VG's, I could actually get the tail wheel
to touch first. I don't think I'll be removing these things to make a video
of they improved performance!
> Mike
> ---
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Pat. you must of used Harrison designs VGs ? They use crazy glue.
The Stolspeed.com ones come with adhesive and a real good kick ass one from 3m
.
HAve you flown your Kitfox yet ?
> Mike, Thanks for info. I didn't realize you could cold form Lexan. I ended up
using a 3M crazy typeglue recommended by the VG mfg. It seems to work fine. Time
will tell. Where are you located. Most of us use a signature that gives location
and specs of our plane.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
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Deke, The supplier of my VG's recommended 1" infront of rear edge of horiz
stab and parallel to the hingeline or rear edge of horiz stab. My horiz stab
wasn't mounted yet so I didn't have to lay on my back. FAA is coming
tomorrow for airworthiness certificate.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:12 AM, fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:
> Mike, how far back from the leading edge did you place them? Did you
> place them horizontal to the hinge line or did you follow the leading edge
> line?
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* skyflyte@comcast.net
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:49 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
>
> I made mine out of 0.016" lexan and used them on the underside of the
> horizontal stabilizer to increase the effectiveness of the elevator. It
> worked very well!
>
> Mike
>
> Model II - 582 - #490
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 10:10:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
>
> Being a cheap sort of guy, how hard can vg's be to make? Anybody done
> that?
>
> Pete
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:12 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
>
> Ken, If you decide on VG's let me know. The ones I bought were recommended
> to me and I was very happy with price and the product.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582
> Rockford, IL
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:34 PM, kenjrichter <kenrichter@centurytel.net>wrote:
>
>> kenrichter@centurytel.net>
>>
>> I do have the elevator gap seal I put that on before the wing mod and it
>> did help but I may consider the vortex generators.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> --------
>> Ken Richter
>> Osceola,Wi
>> model 3 speedster
>> 582/GSC prop/Grove gear
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275873#275873
>>
>>
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Dave, I will have to look up my VG supplier. I had to buy the glue. It was
recommended by supplier, not supplied. The FAA is coming tomorrow for
airworthiness cert. I have taxied only. With my limited experience, I have
a
test pilot lined up for 1st flight. I'm lucky. A test pilot that has 1st
flighted 10 KF lives right here in Rockford.
Pat Reilly
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:58 PM, dave <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
>
> Pat. you must of used Harrison designs VGs ? They use crazy glue.
>
> The Stolspeed.com ones come with adhesive and a real good kick ass one fr
om
> 3m .
>
> HAve you flown your Kitfox yet ?
>
>
> > Mike, Thanks for info. I didn't realize you could cold form Lexan. I
> ended up using a 3M crazy type=EF=BDglue recommended by the VG mfg. It
seems to
> work fine. Time will tell. Where are you located. Most of us use a signat
ure
> that gives location and specs of our plane.
> > =EF=BD
> > Pat Reilly
> > Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> > Rockford, IL
>
>
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> http://www.cfisher.com/
> Awesome *New Forum *
> http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/
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OOps, I haven't posted lately, but I live in S. Berwick, ME, and my Kitfox
was born at the Hampton Airport in NH, a great grass airport with lots of a
ntiques and homebuilts.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Reilly" <patreilly43@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 6:46:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
Mike, Thanks for info. I didn't realize you could cold form Lexan. I ended
up using a 3M crazy type=C2-glue recommended by the VG mfg. It seems to w
ork fine. Time will tell. Where are you located. Most of us use a signature
that gives location and specs of our plane.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:04 PM, < skyflyte@comcast.net > wrote:
Pat,
=C2-=C2- You don't need to heat form Lexan.=C2- I cut pieces, probabl
y 1.5" x 1.0", and bent it in a right angle using a steel ruler so I had a
VG 1.5" long and 0.5" high.=C2- Double sided tape didn't stick very well
so I used a piece of very stickey clear tape 2" wide.=C2- I just cut a sl
ot in it, inserted the VG, =C2-and applied it to the flabic.=C2- That w
as probably 8 years ago and they are still all there.=C2- But you have to
look closely, clear Lexan and clear tape, they are nearly invisible.=C2-
This project probably cost me about $1.00 in materials and maybe 2 hrs. of
time.
=C2-=C2- Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Reilly" < patreilly43@gmail.com >
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 11:09:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
Mike, Did you heat form the .016 Lexan? What fabrication=C2-methods did y
ou use? I was contemplating fabricating my own for the underside of the hoi
z. stab. but ended up purchasing the VG's to save a little time.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582=C2-Rebuild
Rockford, IL
Pat Reilly
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:49 AM, < skyflyte@comcast.net > wrote:
I made mine out of 0.016" lexan and used them on the underside of the horiz
ontal stabilizer to increase the effectiveness of the elevator.=C2- It wo
rked very well!
Mike
Model II - 582 - #490
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Christensen" < pchristensen10@austin.rr.com >
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 10:10:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
Being a cheap sort of guy, how hard can=C2-vg's be to make?=C2- Anybody
done that?
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Reilly
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
Ken, If you decide on VG's let me know. The ones I bought were recommended
to me and I was very happy with price and the product.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582
Rockford, IL
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:34 PM, kenjrichter < kenrichter@centurytel.net > w
rote:
t >
I do have the elevator gap seal I put that on before the wing mod and it di
d help but I may consider the vortex generators.
Thanks
--------
Ken Richter
Osceola,Wi
model 3 speedster
582/GSC prop/Grove gear
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| Subject: | RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 12/02/09 |
Michel, you are right about the drooped wingtips. Although I am far too
skilled to groundloop a Kitfox, I can tell you first hand that the drooped
tip will drag on the grass and only grind off about one fourth inch of
fiberglass. A little sandpaper, daub of paint and it is good as new. Us
poor folk that can't afford Grove gear take comfort in that feature.
PS Has anyone ever made a grove type gear of laid-up fiberglass or laminated
spruce?
Ed Gray Dallas KII 582 tube gear
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1. 12:15 AM - Re: kitfox 3 (Michel Verheughe)
2. 05:13 AM - Re: kitfox 3 (kenjrichter)
3. 07:19 AM - Re: kitfox 3 (Michel Verheughe)
4. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Lowell Fitt)
5. 10:40 AM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Marco Menezes)
6. 11:57 AM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Pete Christensen)
7. 12:29 PM - Re: kitfox 3 (kenjrichter)
8. 01:34 PM - Re: Dual vernier throttle supplier? (mic thiessen)
9. 02:05 PM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Lynn Matteson)
10. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Patrick Reilly)
11. 03:37 PM - Re: kitfox 3 (kenjrichter)
12. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Patrick Reilly)
13. 07:27 PM - Re: Dual vernier throttle supplier? (Av8r3400)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 12:15:49 AM PST US
From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
> From: kenjrichter [kenrichter@centurytel.net]
> as far as I can tell its not much faster maybe a few mph but I did notice
some
> pleasant improvements roll response is faster which I like and it seems
like
turns
> need less rudder input now and also climb seems about the same 1400fpm but
it
> seems like the speed during the climb is faster overall it seems like the
handling
> is better or atleast I like it better,
Thank you for this report, Ken. Speed, climb, roll and less adverse yaw, is
indeed
what we would expect, woudn't we? My model 3 is very "classic" with the
orignal
wings but with a new Jabiru engine. Compared to what are now the new
European
ultralight class aircraft (limited to 450 kg MTOW) my Kitfox is one of the
slowest birds but then, for me it is not about the destination but the
journey.
I don't mind staying longer in the air! :-)
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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Time: 05:13:07 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
From: "kenjrichter" <kenrichter@centurytel.net>
Michel, I too rarely ever really need speed because all I ever do is fly for
fun
so why be in a hurry right, but sometimes a group of guys from our airport
decides
to go on a little journey for lunch and my plane has been a tad slow so
that makes it hard to keep up and even now if I only gained a few mph it
probably
wont make much difference but the other improvements are great so I am glad
I clipped the wings also makes it easier to get in the hangar I hope I can
still get some extra speed from the leading edge pvc I will report on that
too.
--------
Ken Richter
Osceola,Wi
model 3 speedster
582/GSC prop/Grove gear
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275704#275704
________________________________ Message 3
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Time: 07:19:49 AM PST US
From: Michel Verheughe <michel@online.no>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
> From: kenjrichter [kenrichter@centurytel.net]
> I hope I can still get some extra speed from the leading edge pvc I will
report
on
> that too.
Speed is always good, Ken. Less drag and faster climb rate when you meet the
trees
at the end of the runway, is always welcomed. I intend to fly to the North
Cape (northern point of Norway) with a gang of Belgian/French ultralight
pilots
next summer and I already know that I'll have to take off first or ... land
last. I understand you very well.
One thing that prevented me, so far, to do anything with the wings is that I
like
the drooping winglets because I have, perhaps only the illusion, that it
will
protect my flaperons should I end in a ground loop where the wing tip meets
the ground.
When I started flying my Kitfox, and fearing a ground loop, I even
considered putting
small wheels at the end of the winglets but ... I was afraid other pilots
would laugh at me! :-)
I look forward to reading your report on the PVC leading edges.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Norway
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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Time: 07:56:59 AM PST US
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
To philosophize here a bit. I agree that speed is good, when you want to
get somewhere fast. I wonder sometimes, however, when we enjoy flying as
much as we do, why do we seem to want to get back on the ground so soon.
When flying with our group - sometimes from four airplanes to occasionally
as many as ten - we always flew at the speed of the slowest airplane. It
was never a problem as the joy of the flight was seeing each other out the
windows and sharing the combined view - the navy research submarines on the
lake, the antelope near the pond or the junk collecters in the desert and of
course the goofy chat as we digested all that we could see. We occasionally
flew with folks that always flew at one speed and they would then sit on the
ground waiting for the rest of us to arrive. I always wondered about that.
For us at least, the joy was in the flight, not merely sharing a table at a
destination.
Then there was the time that the RV4 followed us to a fly-in he couldn't
locate. He flew circles above us as we followed the course of a winding
river at 100 ft. It obviously doesn't always work.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "kenjrichter" <kenrichter@centurytel.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 5:10 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
> <kenrichter@centurytel.net>
>
> Michel, I too rarely ever really need speed because all I ever do is fly
> for fun so why be in a hurry right, but sometimes a group of guys from our
> airport decides to go on a little journey for lunch and my plane has been
> a tad slow so that makes it hard to keep up and even now if I only gained
> a few mph it probably wont make much difference but the other improvements
> are great so I am glad I clipped the wings also makes it easier to get in
> the hangar I hope I can still get some extra speed from the leading edge
> pvc I will report on that too.
>
> --------
> Ken Richter
> Osceola,Wi
> model 3 speedster
> 582/GSC prop/Grove gear
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275704#275704
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 5
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Time: 10:40:09 AM PST US
From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
That makes 3 of us. Osceola-County, Michigan here.
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Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
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do not archive
--- On Tue, 12/1/09, Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com> wrote:
From: Lyle Persels <lpers@mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
Ken,
I have a model IV with a 912ULS, but I flew off the original 40 hours on a
friend's Model IV Speedster. I found the roll response considerably better
with the shorter wings, and it didn't float as much on landing flare. I lik
ed it just fine.
I'm in Osceola, too--Osceola, Iowa.
Lyle Persels
Osceola, IA
KF-IV 1200 912ULS
450 Hrs
On 12 1, 09, at 5:27 PM, kenjrichter wrote:
et>
>
> I'm not sure how many list members have model 3's and are interested in t
his info but I flew my model 3 with the shortened wings today for the first
time and heres what I noticed---it was a little windy today so I may
need to wait for another day with no wind to see the speed difference but
as far as I can tell its not much faster maybe a few mph but I did notice s
ome pleasant improvements roll response is faster which I like and it seems
like turns need less rudder input now and also climb seems about the same
1400fpm but it seems like the speed during the climb is faster- overall i
t seems like the handling is better or atleast I like it better,- next is
the pvc leading edge I hope to get this done this week.
>
> Ken Richter
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275653#275653
>
>
>
>
>
>
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le, List Admin.
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________________________________ Message 6
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Time: 11:57:43 AM PST US
From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
Lowel,
You brought up another thought. I once flew my Kitfox III on a several hour
cross country with a friend who was flying his 172. He was amazed at how
good his gph was throttled back to stay with me.
Pete
-- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
>
> To philosophize here a bit. I agree that speed is good, when you want to
> get somewhere fast. I wonder sometimes, however, when we enjoy flying as
> much as we do, why do we seem to want to get back on the ground so soon.
>
> When flying with our group - sometimes from four airplanes to occasionally
> as many as ten - we always flew at the speed of the slowest airplane. It
> was never a problem as the joy of the flight was seeing each other out the
> windows and sharing the combined view - the navy research submarines on
> the lake, the antelope near the pond or the junk collecters in the desert
> and of course the goofy chat as we digested all that we could see. We
> occasionally flew with folks that always flew at one speed and they would
> then sit on the ground waiting for the rest of us to arrive. I always
> wondered about that. For us at least, the joy was in the flight, not
> merely sharing a table at a destination.
>
> Then there was the time that the RV4 followed us to a fly-in he couldn't
> locate. He flew circles above us as we followed the course of a winding
> river at 100 ft. It obviously doesn't always work.
>
> Lowell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kenjrichter" <kenrichter@centurytel.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 5:10 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
>
>
>> <kenrichter@centurytel.net>
>>
>> Michel, I too rarely ever really need speed because all I ever do is fly
>> for fun so why be in a hurry right, but sometimes a group of guys from
>> our airport decides to go on a little journey for lunch and my plane has
>> been a tad slow so that makes it hard to keep up and even now if I only
>> gained a few mph it probably wont make much difference but the other
>> improvements are great so I am glad I clipped the wings also makes it
>> easier to get in the hangar I hope I can still get some extra speed from
>> the leading edge pvc I will report on that too.
>>
>> --------
>> Ken Richter
>> Osceola,Wi
>> model 3 speedster
>> 582/GSC prop/Grove gear
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275704#275704
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
Time: 12:29:15 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
From: "kenjrichter" <kenrichter@centurytel.net>
Wow, I didn't realize Osceola was such a popular name I guess Chief Osceola
was
a popular Indian,
I wanted to comment on Michel's post about not wanting to lose the
drooping
wingtips I didn't lose mine when I cut the wings shorter I just remounted
them
on the next rib it was pretty simple really I just used 1"x1/16 alum flat
and
screwed and glued it to the rib flange and then the tips attach to that just
like it was before and I'm not really sure it would save you in a ground
loop
anyway my plane has damage from what looks to have been a ground loop.
it has a bend under the seat where the limit cables attach and the
left wing
has been rebuilt from about four feet in from the tip and that flapperon has
some wrinkles in it at about four feet in as well all this and the plane had
8 hours on it when I got it must have been a rough 8 hrs.
I hear alot about ground loops with these planes but in my 60 hours
flying it
I have not even had a close call it seems very stable on the ground but
maybe
this is because of the grove gear.
--------
Ken Richter
Osceola,Wi
model 3 speedster
582/GSC prop/Grove gear
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275828#275828
________________________________ Message 8
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Time: 01:34:13 PM PST US
From: mic thiessen <wannaflyfox4@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Dual vernier throttle supplier?
Hi Carl
Give Bob Robertson a call
1 888 418-4164
1 250 832-8786
He makes the best there are out of special flat wire cable that when it is
pushed it actually wants to straighten out instead of bend.
mic
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Dual vernier throttle supplier?
> From: cschmokel@gmail.com
> Date: Tue=2C 1 Dec 2009 22:47:58 -0800
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Hey guys=2C
>
> I contacted Kitfox for a dual vernier throttle to hook up to my Rotax 912
ULS. The friction lock is driving me nuts .. They said their supplier recen
tly discontinued manufacturing the dual vernier thanks to some NTSB notice.
So .. does anybody know where to get a dual vernier or how to make one?? T
hanks!
>
> Carl
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275690#275690
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________________________________ Message 9
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Time: 02:05:16 PM PST US
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
I'd have to say almost uncertainly it was because of the Grove
gear....a wider stance, and a bit lower too, if I'm not mistaken.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 818.9 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
do not archive
On Dec 2, 2009, at 3:26 PM, kenjrichter wrote:
> <kenrichter@centurytel.net>
>
> I hear alot about ground loops with these planes but in my 60
> hours flying it I have not even had a close call it seems very
> stable on the ground but maybe this is because of the grove gear.
>
> --------
> Ken Richter
> Osceola,Wi
> model 3 speedster
> 582/GSC prop/Grove gear
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275828#275828
>
>
________________________________ Message 10
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Time: 03:00:56 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
From: Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
Ken, If you are marginal on elevator authority, did you consider gap seals
or vortex generators under the horiz stabilizer?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:08 PM, kenjrichter
<kenrichter@centurytel.net>wrote:
> kenrichter@centurytel.net>
>
> Lyle, I forgot to mention that the landings were better I used to run out
> of elevator authority before the plane was done flying making it hard to
> land but now thats better as well.
>
> Ken Richter
> model 3 speedster
> 582/GSC prop/Grove gear
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275669#275669
>
>
________________________________ Message 11
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Time: 03:37:46 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
From: "kenjrichter" <kenrichter@centurytel.net>
I do have the elevator gap seal I put that on before the wing mod and it did
help
but I may consider the vortex generators.
Thanks
--------
Ken Richter
Osceola,Wi
model 3 speedster
582/GSC prop/Grove gear
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275873#275873
________________________________ Message 12
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Time: 07:15:24 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3
From: Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
Ken, If you decide on VG's let me know. The ones I bought were recommended
to me and I was very happy with price and the product.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582
Rockford, IL
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:34 PM, kenjrichter
<kenrichter@centurytel.net>wrote:
> kenrichter@centurytel.net>
>
> I do have the elevator gap seal I put that on before the wing mod and it
> did help but I may consider the vortex generators.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Ken Richter
> Osceola,Wi
> model 3 speedster
> 582/GSC prop/Grove gear
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275873#275873
>
>
________________________________ Message 13
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Time: 07:27:58 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Dual vernier throttle supplier?
From: "Av8r3400" <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
McFarlane
(http://www.mcfarlane-aviation.com/Details.aspx?ID=79240606&Article 0) has
the dual cables for a 900 series Rotax. They have been advertising in EAA
magazines like Sport Aviation.
--------
Thanks,
Av8r3400
Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL & IVO
Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL & Warp
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How do I determine the minimum battery capacity required for a KF model IV with
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I'm convinced the RG (starved electrolyte) battery is the right type (like the
Odyssey), but what size is the right size? We're looking to save weight but don't
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thanks,
Clem Wehner
KF IV-912
Oklahoma
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Clem
Oklahoma
Kitfox IV-912, under construction since 1991
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